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Which Alan Moore comic stands a chance of becoming a decent movie?

Watchmen
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Miracleman
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A Small Killing
0
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The Ballad of Halo Jones
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Promethea
1
2%
Skizz (just kidding)
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No votes
Tom Strong
4
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The Bojeffries Saga
1
2%
none of the above
14
23%
 
Total votes : 61

Postby Ribbons on Sat Dec 17, 2005 2:26 pm

Dammit, movie studios! Why do you have to ruin everything? Greengrass wowed everybody with his knowledge of the material, Hayter wowed everybody with his script, and Moore gave the project the ultimate compliment, and you're going to throw all of it away? Fuck fuck fuck. Who botches the Watchmen?
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Postby TheButcher on Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:18 am

I voted for Tom Strong. I just like the character and his supporting cast.

Paul Greengrass talks Watchmen:
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Postby Shane on Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:58 am

I would love to see Moore write something specificly for film.

maybee then he'd even like it.
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Postby buster00 on Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:03 am

(*forehead slap*) Have Alan Moore WRITE something for the SCREEN!!

Now, why didn't ALAN think of that?
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Postby Shane on Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:07 am

I doubt he would, and It would be nothing like the stuff we all love.

But I wonder if he could capture the mood and tone of Watchmen in a movie he wrote that was not the watchmen, just something all together new.
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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:38 pm

Mr. Moore, being his usual cranky self in a New York Times Interview Here!

Yeah, he's against V For Vendetta, yes, he still loathes DC and will now have nothing to do with them, but all that was old news to me.

However,

For one thing, his schedule is almost entirely consumed with other comics projects, including a new volume of "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen," to be released in late 2006 or early 2007 by the American publisher Top Shelf Productions. This summer, Mr. Moore said, Top Shelf will also be publishing "Lost Girls," his 16-years-in-the-making collaboration with Ms. Gebbie, a series of unrepentantly pornographic adventures told by the grown-up incarnations of Wendy Darling of "Peter Pan," Alice of "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" and Dorothy Gale of "The Wizard of Oz." "I refuse to call it erotica, because that just sounds like pornography for people who've got more money," Mr. Moore said. "It would seem to be possible to come up with a kind of pornography that was meaningful and beautiful, not ugly."

Ms. Gebbie said she was more excited to see Mr. Moore finish his novel "Jerusalem," another years-long project that he estimates will total 750 pages when complete. "It's his story, his heritage, his blood ties and his amazing, wonderful system of beliefs," Ms. Gebbie said. "This book for him is an unfolding of his real, deep self."


Oh. FUCK. YEAH! Jerusalem sounds cool, but I've been salivating over Lost Girls for years now, can't wait.

Couple of good quotes by Moore sprinkled throughout the article as well, 'specially the one about Harry Potter and then the one 'bout his 10 hr. video testimony, heroin, and schoolkids.
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Postby brendonconnelly on Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:44 pm

Here's Alan giving a rare video interview: http://filmick.blogspot.com/2006/03/alan-moore-dis cusses-v-for-vendetta.html

For the record, I'm not a fan of this V for Vendetta film either.
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Postby Tubbs Tattsyrup on Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:02 am

Finally got a pic of this standee sitting in a theatre in Christchurch, New Zealand...

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Alan would not be pleased.
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Postby Adam Balm on Sun Apr 02, 2006 6:44 pm

It would be cool if Moore had a pseudonym he used when he wanted his name taken off something. I'm still laughing about JMS's: Eiben Scrood.
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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Tue May 30, 2006 6:01 am

Alan Moore and Melinda Gebbie discuss Lost Girls...beware, some of the pics you may click on are NSFW.

Part One

Part Two

Part Three

man, $75 bucks tho', $150 for the signed and numbered edition.

not that Gebbie doesn't deserve it for the painstaking process (3 days per panel!), but that's gonna hurt the wallet.
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Postby magicmonkey on Tue May 30, 2006 7:31 am

Cheers KCBC, that was a great read. I love a good epic Moore interview and that certainly didn't disappoint. However, Jerusalem is where its at for me, although I think Lost Girls will find its own little world on my bookshelf, eventually.
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Postby ZombieZoneSolutions on Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:49 pm

Just wanted to give a heads up to all y'all about this if ya haven't seen it:

Fairy Tale Based Erotica is a Gimme, No?

I haven't read the whole interview (which focuses mainly on Lost Girls),
skipping to the end to find out what the his whole V FOR VENDETTA
crankiness was about, and after thinking he was a total retard for bitching
about it, I have a renewed respect for his reasons. He's pretty hardcore!
No money, no car, and virtually no paying jobs? Dang! This man's about
as pure as pure artists come...

(I still think he was foolish not to put his name on the film, but, whatevah...)
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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:06 pm

Alan Moore wrote:One of the reasons we started this was because we were sick of the approach to sex in the culture. It seemed to us unhealthy, unproductive, and unbeautiful. In countries like the U.S. and Great Britain, we exist in a wholly sexualized culture, where everything from cars to snack food are sold with a healthy slathering of sex to make them more commercially appealing. But if you're using sex to sell sneakers, then you're not just selling sneakers, you're selling sex as well, and you're contributing to the sexual temperature of society.

We wanted to build to a climax, because if ever a genre should build to a climax, it should be pornography.

Sigmund Freud, frankly, I've not got a great deal of time for, because I think he was a child-fixated cokehead, to be perfectly honest.

We wanted it to be as pornographic as possible, and as artistic as possible.

The stories all seemed to take place in a kind of porno-topia, where characters in the middle of an orgy would be likely to deliver a lecture on sexual etiquette, about considering the feelings of one's partner, and how gentlemen should always defer to ladies. A lot of surprisingly enlightened views for this notorious and repressed Victorian period.

If you're living in a politically repressive time where you have this seemingly fundamentalist-directed agenda percolating down not only through America but through all of those countries who are fortunate enough be in the shadow of America, you've really got no option other than to make your statement as you see fit, or shut up.

There's no more underage sex in Lost Girls than is probably occurring in this block at the moment...But because these characters appear to transgress upon our current arbitrary line of when it's permissible to have a sexual identity, are people really going to be that upset? When there are children right now being blown to pieces, often at our behest or in our name?

It's not about the money. It's about the accomplishment. I'm a very smug show-off at heart. I'm altogether too pleased with myself. The big boost for me is to be able to turn out something that I think is pretty marvelous...


he's gives great interviews.
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Postby TonyWilson on Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:08 pm

That's just what I was thinking. Loved his comments about David Kelly too! Smart deep thinking man. I love him.
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Postby magicmonkey on Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:14 am

Cheers Tony, started reading it y/day and am still reading!

Some real gems in there.
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Postby Chilli on Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:03 am

Man oh man, I use to respect (if not like his work) Alan Moore, now the dude just scares me. Especially with Mori's recent review.
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Postby magicmonkey on Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:09 am

Yeah, the dudes startling intellect has that effect on people. Its how I like my art. With ballz the size of Spain and the weight of Africa.
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Postby Chilli on Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:20 am

Yeah, because when I read that review I thought 'Wow, I envy the guy for being so smart that he attempts to make a statement about our societies view of sexuality through the sexualisation of underage girls in a purely visual medium.'

And I certainly didn't think 'Man, that's fucked up. Why would someone spend sixteen years indulging in the drawing and writing of underage sexuality within a comic book that will primarily be read by horny teens?'

I respect Moore. Some of his stuff is really damn good, and thought provoking. This, this strikes me as the wrong kind of thought provoking, where it comes less about the quality of the work and more about how batshit crazy Moore can be.
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Postby magicmonkey on Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:47 am

I see what you mean Chilli, this examination of sexuality ain't gonna strike a chord with the mainstream, heh, just look at "Eyes Wide Shut". Now, give me "ShowGirls" anyday of the week!! Hmmm, perhaps that was a bit 1 dimensional eh? Sex deserves an adult treatment, its fundamental to our very xistence and yet is still kinda hidden behind net curtains. People can be scared of sex, perhaps others only know it, on the whole through misogynist-esque porno, a wider context of exploration in an open minded healthy way, is a good thing in my book. Shame most people won't even read it or would just read it to see old women fuck. Shame and sex go hand in hand sometimes, why is this?
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Postby TonyWilson on Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:53 am

Horny teens really aren't going to bother picking up a book full of drawings to whack off though. That's what the internet is for.

I can understand your reaction Chili but I think you have really missed what Moore is doing. It isn't batshit crazy to Moore. Basically he's trying to show people that it's all the silly taboos society has placed on sexuality which are crazy, because at the same time everything in our culture is sexualised and yet people don't seem to understand that hypocrisy and also why the repression of sexuality leads to the much more damaging and unsavoury aspects of sex in our culture.

In short the very fact this book is causing people to say he's crazy or controversial is one of the most important reasons to make a book which seeks to explain and redress the sexual mores of modern western secular values.
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Postby Chilli on Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:03 am

Makes some sense, but a few more points before I leave this thread:

1) If anyone else but Alan Moore even considered writing this (and put aside the 'No-one else could write a Moore story' gibberish for a second), I can guarantee you'd be more outraged than my 'Dude is fucking crazy.'

2) I'm a writer. Okay, not as crazy as Moore, but I just find the majority of his work hollow and rather pretentious. He seems to resent the fact that the comic industry doesn't crawl on its hands and feet for him, forgetting that every single piece of material he's written caters for an audience who is almost anti-comic book, who reject good/bad conflict and instead want a psychoanalytical mind-fuck. Material like confirms this, and makes it seem like he's less interested in entertaining than disturbing.

3) I liked the film League of Extroadinary Gentlemen more than the comic, and won't be swayed on that score.

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Postby TonyWilson on Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:12 am

Chilli wrote: Makes some sense, but a few more points before I leave this thread:

1) If anyone else but Alan Moore even considered writing this (and put aside the 'No-one else could write a Moore story' gibberish for a second), I can guarantee you'd be more outraged than my 'Dude is fucking crazy.'


No. I wouldn't.

Chilli wrote:2) I'm a writer. Okay, not as crazy as Moore, but I just find the majority of his work hollow and rather pretentious.


Opinions eh? We've all got 'em. I love the majority of his work that I have read.

Chilli wrote:He seems to resent the fact that the comic industry doesn't crawl on its hands and feet for him, forgetting that every single piece of material he's written caters for an audience who is almost anti-comic book, who reject good/bad conflict and instead want a psychoanalytical mind-fuck. Material like confirms this, and makes it seem like he's less interested in entertaining than disturbing.


Umm, forgetting the fact that this "material" confirms nothing but the fact that he likes weird crazy stories with a bigger message about the universe (whether you think it's successful is another matter), there really isn't anything wrong with artists having a fucking huge ego, many of them do and many of them throw fits, it doesn't change how we should view their work.
And yeh I want a psycho-analytical mindfuck from time to time, it entertains AND disturbs AND (hopefully) informs me.




Chilli wrote:3) I liked the film League of Extroadinary Gentlemen more than the comic, and won't be swayed on that score.

Thanks for reading.


And back to opinions again.
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Postby Chilli on Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:19 am

It was all opinion dude. There was never an attempt at being factual.
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Postby TonyWilson on Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:23 am

Then why present the bit about the "material confirms this" as factual?
Also, don't tell people that you can "guarantee" what they would think if you are just trying to give an opinion and not be factual.
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Postby Flumm on Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:45 am

If either of you even think about trying to start an arguement with eachother here, I will done a droll Northamptonshire accent, a large (possibly magic) fake beard, and continue to have enlightening, cosmic, earsex with you, to show you the undercurrent themes of ninnyness inherently prevelant in your underlyingly prevelent, inherently, underlying - yet soon to be prevelant, ninnyness.

THIS, my very dear friends, is almost certainly a fact.

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Postby Chilli on Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:55 am

Okay, I concede the point.
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Postby TonyWilson on Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:01 am

It's cool Flumm and Chili, I wasn't trying to get heated, just a debate. I just objected to be told what my reaction would be to something that's all.

Plus I quit weed 2 weeks ago so I may possibly be a little cranky.
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Postby Chilli on Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:08 am

No problem. I get the same way when people go on and on about how Claremont's lost his touch, or Miller's hideously overrated.

Bastards.
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Postby Flumm on Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:17 am

Sigh, I already put the magicbeard on, but you know, pff, whatever...

:(

Ah, Chilli, I didn't mean to shut you down there at all, dude. Just avoiding bloodshed with what crudely implimented tools I have. :P

As it goes, I think yours is the kind of viewpoint I'm actually sort eager to hear at this point. After reading the articles and interviews, I already feel myself in tune with what Tony is saying, and with what Moore is at least trying to do, or proclaiming too anyway, but at the same time, I can fully understand why people would be confused, or outright question the value of what he's bringing.

I empathise with his apparent intentions, and actually agree with them, but I'm not all that sure myself on how too approach the worth of the end result.
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Postby doglips on Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:40 am

Chilli wrote:3) I liked the film League of Extroadinary Gentlemen more than the comic, and won't be swayed on that score.


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Postby Chilli on Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:44 am

I just fear stick-on-beards.
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Postby Chilli on Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:47 am

thedoglippedone wrote:
Chilli wrote:3) I liked the film League of Extroadinary Gentlemen more than the comic, and won't be swayed on that score.


Quickly nurse, get the straight jacket!


I'm not saying the LXG movie is good... but it was fun, and I'm not a fan of disturbing comic-books.
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Postby doglips on Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:02 am

Chilli wrote:
thedoglippedone wrote:
Chilli wrote:3) I liked the film League of Extroadinary Gentlemen more than the comic, and won't be swayed on that score.


Quickly nurse, get the straight jacket!


I'm not saying the LXG movie is good... but it was fun, and I'm not a fan of disturbing comic-books.


OK, you can have it loosened a little.
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Postby doglips on Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:17 am

Mori has put up a great review of Lost Girls.
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Postby ZombieZoneSolutions on Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:16 am

You know, I don't know what to think of this Lost Girls novel. Of
course, I think if anyone can write a tasteful and intelligent fairy tale
based erotica its Moore, but I also can't help but feel its a tad
irresponsible to depict children having graphic sex. Those same symbols
and stories could have been explored without drawing children
graphically having sex.

On the other hand, I wholeheartedly agree with Moore that there is
something very sick about a culture that lusts after blood curdling
violence, endlessly champions war, hatred, and bigotry, but shrinks
away from one of the most beaultiful expressions we have as humans;
sex.

However, I think an author can explore adolescent sexuality without
graphically depciting it. In alot of ways I think Moore is trying to provoke
people; not that theres anything wrong with that, per se, but with such an
issue, I think discretion is warranted.

Then again, its all about context. Hentai manga pretty much wholy
traffics in what appears to be underage ingenues being brutally raped by
gangs of demons and/or teachers / authority figures and that gets a
pass. I also think that hentai is trash. Nevertheless, I get the sense here
that Moore is interested in the beauty of sex and sexuality, and how this
is what erotica should be instead of the often brutal and upsetting
pornography we see today; nightmarish trash that is more and more
seeming like snuff films.

In the aggregate, I admit I'm intrigued by this book, but I'm also wary of
it; and having not read it yet, I can't really judge how I feel. It just
seems to me that in dealing with the subject of adolescent sexuality,
discretion and restraint is strongly encouraged.
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Postby DennisMM on Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:42 am

As someone who takes a strong stand against child pornography of any kind, I'm not at all sure how to feel about this. Moore's handling of adult sexuality in the early chapters (published singly and in Taboo) was explicit but challenging and not pornographic in my opinion. This material Mori discusses, though, troubles me. I don't think I'll be reading Lost Girls.
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Postby ZombieZoneSolutions on Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:22 am

Yeah, I get that same sort of sick feeling inside when I think about this too,
but, techically its not child pornography, because they're not actual
children but drawings of fairy tale characters; (fairy tale characters who
also happen to be adolescents). Still, thats a really tricky semantic
slope Mr. Moore is on, and I'm sure he's going to have a Dickens of a time
defending that when he's on trial for obscenity.

The release is definately going to be interesting. This could very well be the
beginning of a massive debate across the board in regards to comics,
comics art, and pornography.

I think the thing that is going to keep me from reading it is that it costs $75!
Although, a friend of mine works for a high profile magazine in New York as
the books editor and she gets review copies of basically everything, so
I'll probably wind up reading her copy at some point.
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Postby Leckomaniac on Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:30 am

I, personally, will be buying Lost Girls when it comes out (that $75 price tag will cause a dent though...ugh). I trust Moore as a writer...and I personally don't see a problem with drawing sex...even if the fictional characters that are being portrayed are given a certain age. In the end its a fictional story...and I can remove myself from that world whenever I feel like it.

However, I can see the flip side as well. A book like this will most certainly get people to start drawing lines in the sand. Picking sides one way or another. It is fitting that Alan Moore is the scribe behind such a controversial work.
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Postby Peven on Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:35 am

apparantly Moore is someone who simply doesn't get the concept of "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". plus, depicting children's story characters in graphic sexual scenes is just plain lame, imo, and the whole intellectual slant is a load of bullshit.
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Postby Al Shut on Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:40 am

Lost Girls should be added to the poll, it's practically destined to become a successful movie.

I would rank it as interesting but not a must buy, with a price of 75$ and a notorious higher price of a possible German release I will give it a pass. No problems with the pornography though, if no actual children are involved there's nobody who must been protected.
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Postby DennisMM on Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:41 am

ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:Yeah, I get that same sort of sick feeling inside when I think about this too,
but, techically its not child pornography, because they're not actual
children but drawings of fairy tale characters; (fairy tale characters who
also happen to be adolescents). Still, thats a really tricky semantic
slope Mr. Moore is on, and I'm sure he's going to have a Dickens of a time
defending that when he's on trial for obscenity.


In some states and countries, any visual depiction of a child in a sexual situation constitutes pornography, whether photographed or drawn. This could be very tricky, indeed.
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Postby TonyWilson on Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:12 pm

Interesting points from nearly everyone since I was last on. And I agree that Lost Girls is piled in controversy, but I think that's one of the main reasons why Moore has written it. On the one hand, a 16 year old Britney Spears can dance around like a whore wearing a school uniform and parents buy children her records. People buy mini-skirts for eight year olds and kids magazines have article about the sexiest celebrities. Yet when something in your face comes out, something not aimed at children at all but dealing with something very natural that all adolescents go through there is much debate and some idiots refusing to see the intellectual point Moore is making, without having read the book.

Children and youth have been incredibly sexualised in our culture yet at the same time the talking about t 13 year olds having sexual desires can put some people in fits. It's a very odd and and dangerous sort of repression and the rise in paedophiles and sex crimes clearly shows the way our culture handles sex is rotten.

Moriarty's descriptions were incredibly blunt but all the artwork I've seen looks much more expressionist or abstract than the way it was described, yes it's still disturbing, but like ZZS said there isn't anything wrong with that. I really can't imagine someone buying a book that costs £100, full of expressionsitic images and deep prose so they can jerk off when the internet has any and every fetish somone can imagine.

Moore seems to be following the Angela Carter model of finding the subtext amongst fairytales or children's stories and I can't really decry that as being terrible, it's there to be found. And in a society like ours that allows, nay, encourages horrifically subversive images and behaviours to be seen and imitated by children someone who engages with that dissonance and shows up our hypocrisy in the hope of actually making sex a more natura,l less repressed and therefore less dangerous part of our lives should be commended, not disregarded of demonised.
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Postby Leckomaniac on Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:02 pm

Having read most of the interviews with Alan Moore...it is very apparent to me that he approached this subject in a very creative and intellectual way. Each image and each word has been selected carefully and methodically over the past 16 years. I think that anyone who has any doubts about the merits of this work should first read Alan Moore's interview that Moriarty linked in his review. It still might not be something that interests you...but it should at the very least put most of your fears and misconceptions to rest.

I am just afraid that people will attack this saying it is nothing more than pornography...when clearly it is much much more.

SIDE NOTE: I am not implying anyone on this thread has made that claim...I am speaking in general terms here.

EDIT: For those of you interested...Amazon.com is taking pre-orders for Lost Girls and the cost is down to $40 dollars at the moment. I went ahead and pre-ordered mine because I figured the price would probably jump up to its original $75 sooner or later.
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Postby doglips on Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:40 am

Calling all Watchmen fans......

Check this out. What a well executed and excellent idea!

Direct link to 'Marooned (The Reconstruction)' here.
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Postby magicmonkey on Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:55 am

Nice find, gonna enjoy this later.
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Postby HeadlessCrane on Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:21 am

I will never read a Talk Back again after this Zone forum. What I just read about Lost Girls was an actual intelligent, wise and honest discussion about a very extremely sensitive subject. Compared to the Talk Back to Moriarty's review... wow, is all I can say.

Thank goodness for The Zone.
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Postby Leckomaniac on Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:03 pm

HeadlessCrane wrote:I will never read a Talk Back again after this Zone forum. What I just read about Lost Girls was an actual intelligent, wise and honest discussion about a very extremely sensitive subject. Compared to the Talk Back to Moriarty's review... wow, is all I can say.

Thank goodness for The Zone.


Ain't that the truth.

I haven't read a talkback in so long. Compared to teh Zone...its like night and day.
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Postby doglips on Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:34 pm

Interesting article over at Newsarama on Lost Girl's home and overseas sales.
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