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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:48 am
by DinoDeLaurentiis
Captain America buried inna the Arlington, eh?

CNN wrote: In the drizzling rain at Arlington National Cemetery, thousands of grieving patriots solemnly watch as the pallbearers -- Iron Man, the Black Panther, Ben Grimm and Ms. Marvel -- carry a casket draped with an American flag.

Yes, folks, Captain America is dead and buried in the latest issue of Marvel Comics' "Fallen Son," due on newsstands the morning after Independence Day. After 66 years of battling villains from Adolf Hitler to the Red Skull, the red, white and blue leader of the Avengers was felled by an assassin's bullet on the steps of a New York federal courthouse.

He was headed to court after refusing to sign the government's Superhero Registration Act, a move that would have revealed his true identity. A sniper who fired from a rooftop was captured as police and Captain America's military escort were left to cope with chaos in the streets.

But the sniper didn't act alone, and didn't even fire the shot that killed the captain.

Writer Jeph Loeb has been busy working through the stages of grief in his most recent titles. A book centered on Wolverine dealt with denial; one with the Avengers covered anger; and Spider-Man battled depression.

With the story line so relevant to present-day politics, and the timing of the latest issue so precise, it's hard not to think the whole thing is one big slam on the government.

"Part of it grew out of the fact that we are a country that's at war, we are being perceived differently in the world," Loeb said. "He wears the flag and he is assassinated -- it's impossible not to have it at least be a metaphor for the complications of present day."

But Loeb says he was working with more personal material: the death of his 17-year-old son from cancer.

"So many people have lost their sons and daughters over the years, for the greater good or to cancer or other horrible things," said Loeb, an executive producer for NBC's "Heroes." "I wanted this to be something people would identify with."

In the final frames of the book, the Falcon delivers a eulogy asking superheroes old and young to stand up and honor Captain America. Loeb did a similar thing at his son's funeral.

"It was this moment where I realized that we were all different, but this boy, my son, made us all connected," he said. "It was powerful."

Captain America, whose secret identity was Steve Rogers, was an early member of the pantheon of comic book heroes that began with Superman in the 1930s.

He landed on newsstands in March 1941, nine months before Pearl Harbor -- delivering a punch to Hitler on the cover of his first issue, a sock-in-the-jaw reminder that there was a war on and the United States was not involved.

Since then, Marvel Entertainment Inc., has sold more than 200 million copies of Captain America magazine in 75 countries.

In the most recent story line, he became involved in a superhero "civil war," taking up sides against Iron Man in the registration controversy, climaxed by his arrest and assassination.

Marvel says you never know what will happen. He may make it back from the dead after all, although Loeb says that question isn't really important right now.

"The question is, how does the world continue without this hero?" he said. "If that story of his return gets told further down the line, great. But everyone's still been dealing with his loss.

"They aren't going to wake up and it's a dream, like it's some episode of 'Dallas.' "

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:46 am
by Chilli
So far I've read the main Civil War mini-series, and an issue called 'War Crimes' centred around Tony Stark. Have to say, I was surprised that I enjoyed it so much. Wouldn't say its the best comic-book ever, but I think it does take a stand and it does try to do something fresh for the Marvel universe. In particular I like the way that Captain America and Iron Man both have reasonable viewpoints, both have modes of perspective that aren't wrong so much as they're misguided. Its also interesting to have The Punisher be the only one towards the end who remembers that the primary goal is to rid New York of criminals, as both sides take to using supervillains to boost their agendas.

It could've used a few more issues to make the beats work a little more in terms of resonance, but I found that they did as good a job as they could with seven issues.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:00 am
by bamf
If you liked War Crimes, I suggest checking out Front Line. It surprised me how much I got into that series, a really great companion to the main thread. The "entrenched" story line is pretty important to the whole of the tale. And now that I think of it, might have a connection to this Skrulls business going on now.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:02 am
by Chilli
Yeah, I saw that was out. How does it work, does it tie in between the main crux of the Civil War mini-series, so events from Frontline and Civil War interwine?

If so, awesome.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:08 am
by bamf
Chilli wrote:Yeah, I saw that was out. How does it work, does it tie in between the main crux of the Civil War mini-series, so events from Frontline and Civil War interwine?

If so, awesome.


Ya, thats what it does. Check it out.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:10 am
by Chilli
Excellent. I love that stuff.

Shame it'd cost me over a hundred quid to collect every Civil War tie-in comic book. There's fucking loads of them.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:16 am
by bamf
I picked up just about all of them. I never bought a FF4 book until Civil War, and really enjoyed that. The Wolverine tie in is decent, and answers some questions glazed over in the main arch. Front Line was my fav though, series just grew on me.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:58 am
by Chilli
Coolio. I love huge, sprawling comic-book continuity tales. The old days where Daredevil and The Thing would randomly meet up were good, but a full-blown 'THIS... IS... MARVEL' style conflict is my idea of fun times.

Re: CIVIL WAR--NEW MASSIVE SPOILERS- BEWARE!!!!!!

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:23 pm
by TheButcher

Re: CIVIL WAR--NEW MASSIVE SPOILERS- BEWARE!!!!!!

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:24 pm
by TheButcher

Re: CIVIL WAR--NEW MASSIVE SPOILERS- BEWARE!!!!!!

PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:11 pm
by tfactor
OK so I have every single Original Civil War comic, including all cross over comics spanning the entire Marvel Universe. I still think that this is one of the most interesting stories to ever happen in comics. However with that said, they relaunched Civil War again this year except they completed dropped the fact that they killed Captain America (Steve Rogers) at the end of that series. So I was a little pissed when I picked up the last 6 "new" Civil War comics and found out that not only did they completely forget that they killed Capt but it also picks up like 5 years later with the US divided into the Blue and Iron halfs of people still fighting over the registration act.

That said, this Civil War story line is still a lot better than this stupid fucking secret wars bullshit going on. And just in case you haven't heard - once Secret Wars ends: everything is going to be reset. Every existing story and all existing characters are going to be starting over. Some catastrophic event is going to happen on the Dr. Doom remaining earth which is going to kill everything and everyone.

So stay tuned true believers, because there is a storm coming and it's not going to be fun. Still recommend checking out Civil War if you haven't yet, because it's awesome.

Re: CIVIL WAR II--NEW MASSIVE SPOILERS- BEWARE!!!!!!

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:51 pm
by TheButcher
Marvel Is Already Teasing Its Next Big Comic Event
Strap yourselves in, folks. Civil War II may have barely just ended, Inhumans vs. X-Men may have only just begun, and Monsters Unleashed might be on the way, but Marvel is already teasing a major new arc—and it seems like it’s going to be focusing around a certain evil Captain America.