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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:35 pm
by DennisMM
I just read the S/B Supergirl trade. Pretty silly stuff. I'm giving SG's book a short try-out, but as this point my feeling is negative.

All-Star Batman is an offense to the character. The second issue doesn't make any sense unless you believe the theory that most of what we're seeing is tainted by Dick's trauma. That would explain why Batman is speaking coarsely and has two days of beard just a half-hour after leaving the circus clean-shaven.

Sucks anyway.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:25 am
by buster00
I sure hope that's where they're going with A.S. Batman -- The "Grayson's Trauma" Theory. It's the only idea that can even HOPE to crowbar this rubbish from the bottom of the bin.

That would make a great name for some indie band. "Grayson's Trauma Theory."

Nah. I'm sick of seeing the words "Theory" and "Trauma" in indie band names. Forget it.

"All Star Batman Headjob." THERE'S a band name.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:57 am
by Keepcoolbutcare
buster00 wrote:That would make a great name for some indie band. "Grayson's Trauma Theory."
Nah. I'm sick of seeing the words "Theory" and "Trauma" in indie band names. Forget it.


the indie band name word du jour is Wolf.

Wolf Eyes, Wolf Parade, Guitar Wolf, AIDS Wolf, Peanut Butter Wolf.

Why no one has gone with lycanthropy remains a mystery.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:22 am
by buster00
Peanut Butter Wolf has been around for years, brotha man gets a pass. His turntable kung fu MAKE YA DIZZY! WATCHIT!!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:54 pm
by bc1970
I just want to say that the secret of Jason Todd's return is just as unsatisfying as I feared it would be.

It is trluy teh suk.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:56 pm
by Chairman Kaga
bc1970 wrote:I just want to say that the secret of Jason Todd's return is just as unsatisfying as I feared it would be.

It is trluy teh suk.

What is it since I jumped out shortly after Hush...

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:01 pm
by bc1970
Inviso text:

SuperboyPrime punched the glass dome of his Utopia, which sent out ripples through time, which animated dead DC characters, including Jason Todd. Then Talia dipped him in the Pit.

he coulda been Hush the whole damn time.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:55 pm
by Theta
My opinion about Mark Millar in general (Ultimate X-Men excepted, he got that one really right, somehow) and "The Ultimates" in particular is well-documented. What really bothers me is that somebody decided that a comic book about heroes who unite to fight for the greater good should be turned into a comic book about a bunch of self-centered jerks in a paramilitary unit that mindlessly follow orders.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:56 pm
by Theta
bc1970 wrote:Inviso text:

SuperboyPrime punched the glass dome of his Utopia, which sent out ripples through time, which animated dead DC characters, including Jason Todd. Then Talia dipped him in the Pit.

he coulda been Hush the whole damn time.


Wait, WHAT? Seriously? Geez, it's a good thing the storyline itself is worth reading!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:45 pm
by DennisMM
That is remarkably stupid, isn't it? So they were planning the Infinite Crisis tie-in two years ago?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:56 pm
by MadCapsule
Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:Rob Liefeld.


IPAMPILASH! I used to be so into his scribbling when I was a pre-pubescant fuck-tard. :oops:

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:07 am
by CrazySlasher
The new Doc Samson is one of the most terrible things I've ever read.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:31 pm
by Shane
MadCapsule wrote:
Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:Rob Liefeld.


IPAMPILASH! I used to be so into his scribbling when I was a pre-pubescant fuck-tard. :oops:


Rob Liefeld is the most over payed over rated artist in history.

He hasn't improved at all over the years, he has never bothered to stufy Anatomy, and doesn't know what perspective is.

I am against talking shit about artists, but if they have gotten that much credit and are that horrible I can break the rule.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:03 pm
by King Psyz
I can't get passed how horrible that Cap picture he did is...fuck.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:07 am
by Chairman Kaga
Shane you forgot to mention his blatant plagiarism as well.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:54 pm
by Shane
Chairman Kaga wrote:Shane you forgot to mention his blatant plagiarism as well.


yeah well, with someone sucking that badit's hard to hit all the negative points. He is still not as bad as Spawn boy McFarlane

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:13 pm
by Adam Balm
Shane wrote:Image


I agree. That is definitely Teh Suk.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:45 pm
by Chilli
I love that Cap'n America pic!

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:59 pm
by DennisMM
Liefeld was even funnier when he blatantly stole from Marvel because they fired him. When Marvel realized Heroes Reborn was a major wash-out they fired the chronically late and untalented Liefeld. First he "created" his own patriotic character, slightly altered his unpublished Captain America pages and actually put the result into comics stores. Capt's female Bucky became a robotic female sidekick dressed like Bucky. He then bought the rights to Fighting American and continued to plagiarize Marvel, to the point that he was sued.

Link is dead. Removed 12/13/07.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:16 pm
by Adam Balm
DennisMM wrote:Liefeld was even funnier when he blatantly stole from Marvel because they fired him. When Marvel realized Heroes Reborn was a major wash-out they fired the chronically late and untalented Liefeld. First he "created" his own patriotic character, slightly altered his unpublished Captain America pages and actually put the result into comics stores. Capt's female Bucky became a robotic female sidekick dressed like Bucky. He then bought the rights to Fighting American and continued to plagiarize Marvel, to the point that he was sued.

http://members.aol.com/chrisv82/america.htm


Yeah, I remember that. To me, that's not too different from Warren Ellis reusing his scripts from that shelved Marvel Millennium project for Ultimate Exctinction. At least the man stole from himself this time. Heh.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:35 am
by DennisMM
I was going to argue but my stomach hurts too much to bother. I deleted sentences about violation of copyright versus recycling of ideas.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:43 am
by Chairman Kaga
Some pics to enjoy.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:20 am
by Chilli
This clown gets paid?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:25 am
by buster00
Shut UP!!

Where did that spreadsheet come from, Kaga? God, I'm actually embarrassed for the poor schlemiel! I mean, most artists borrow a LITTLE...but GOD DAY-AMM!!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:04 pm
by Adam Balm
You know, you can do the same comparison shots with Otomo's Akira and Todd McFarlane. Shot for shot stealing. It's not just Liefeld doing it. You'd be surprised how widespread this kind of swiping is.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:09 pm
by Adam Balm
DennisMM wrote:I was going to argue but my stomach hurts too much to bother. I deleted sentences about violation of copyright versus recycling of ideas.


Well, comics have always skirted the edge of outright theft and violation of copyright. They've always stolen from eachother. Try and imagine the Fantastic Four if Stan Lee wasn't ripping off the Challengers of the Unknown wholesale ("But..." you say, "Kirby created them!" Yes, but DC owned the rights to them. They still could have sued just as they sued Fawcett over Captain Marvel, another case of skirting the edge.) Honestly, there's thousands of examples, and they are the rule, not the exception.

In that way the comics industry has always been similar to the early computer industry.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:46 pm
by DennisMM
I agree completely, but look at that pages I referenced. He made minor changes to material rejected by Marvel and published them as his own "character" who looked almost exactly like Captain America. Which he then followed with another character who also looked almost exactly like Captain America and again used the robot-teenager sidekick. And the shield. Lee and Kirby at least had to think up super powers (even if they borrowed two of them from Golden Age characters) and personalities for the FF.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:58 am
by buster00
(*ahem*)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shield_%28Archie%29


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:54 am
by dark wesley
Rob Leifeld is teh suck, but for some reason he's still massively popular, or so joey Q says. Teh Suk? in my opinion bruce jone's run on the incredible hulk, made me want to eat my own brain, and I know it's not fair to critizice an artist when he was producing two books a month but Igor Kordey's New X men issues were rushed and horrible and looked like they had been drawn by a mental paitient.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:34 am
by Colin
Liefeld's art style still has a certain appeal to a very few number of fans. Yeah, it's hard to believe, but it's true. Sales spike about 10,000 copies whenever he's on a book.

What didn't you like about Bruce Jones's run on Hulk?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:30 am
by Luke Cage
Yo, brothas, if you are looking for a serious contender to the throne of Rob Liefeld, just check out the horrifying CYBERFORCE # 1.
Pat Lee is definitely TEH SUCK and I pity the foo'!


WORD!

PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:33 pm
by Chairman Kaga
Adam Balm wrote:You know, you can do the same comparison shots with Otomo's Akira and Todd McFarlane. Shot for shot stealing. It's not just Liefeld doing it. You'd be surprised how widespread this kind of swiping is.

I don't even hold the one on the right against him because it's essentially photo reference. It is ridiculously common unfortunately.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:03 pm
by Adam Balm
Chairman Kaga wrote:
Adam Balm wrote:You know, you can do the same comparison shots with Otomo's Akira and Todd McFarlane. Shot for shot stealing. It's not just Liefeld doing it. You'd be surprised how widespread this kind of swiping is.

I don't even hold the one on the right against him because it's essentially photo reference. It is ridiculously common unfortunately.


I don't mind photo reference, if an artist makes good use of it. One thing I can't stand is when they actually trace over the photo as Greg Land's been doing on UFF. It's irritating beyond belief and it pulls me out of the story when I can see the movie screenshots he's tracing over in each panel..

Re: Teh Clone Saga!

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:20 am
by TheButcher
Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:I wish I knew the names responsible but two words: Spider-Clone.



Word Balloon Podcast Friday, August 05, 2016:
Danny Fingeroth on Comics Editing Analysis and Re-Hashing The Clone Saga
John Siuntres wrote:A great conversation with the former Marvel editor and writer who really puts perspective on his time at marvel during the late 70s through the late 90s. We talk about his time editing Marvel UK and learning at the foot of Larry Lieber.

You'll hear memories of writing Dazzler, working with Stan Lee and Will Eisner, and of course his 2 cents on editing Spider-Man's infamous Clone Saga.