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All-Star Batman and Robin

Postby austenandrews on Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:32 am

Up front disclosure: I confess I haven't read many comic book titles since the 80's and even then, I never read DC regularly.

That said, I recently read this review of Frank Miller's All-Star Batman & Robin. It was linked from a message on another board in which the poster similarly railed against Miller's apparent insanity. Many others chimed in, developing all sorts of bizarre theories about how the story could be so ludicrous.

Is it just me, or is it not extremely obvious that this comic book is meant to be humorous? A tongue-in-cheek version of Robin's origin, as told by a twelve-year-old? I can't see how any intelligent person could think otherwise. Yet all I'm hearing is that people think Frank Miller is either insane, coked up or "hates comic books" and is writing this to crap on the fans. They're not even saying that Miller's attempt at humor doesn't work - that's a subjective call - but that he doesn't intend it as humor.

What gives? Are fans really that dense?
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Postby LeFlambeur on Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:40 pm

Batman coming across as mentally unstable? Pedophillic inuendo with Robin? Is any of that really Frank Miller's fault?
He was right to stay away from Robin in previous tales, though. I can also see how Miller's humor would be lost under Jim Lee's highly technical artwork.
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Re: All-Star Batman and Robin

Postby buster00 on Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:40 pm

austenandrews wrote:
What gives? Are fans really that dense?


Well, it's taken me a few issues to catch on to the "humor," if that's what Miller's going for. I don't think I've seen Frank go on the record anywhere stating that it is indeed supposed to be funny or tongue-in-cheek. If someone has, please point it out.

I'll bet Colin calls me on this, but if anyone can clear it up, great.

I don't think I'm any more dense than any other fan. Thing is, Batman: Year One and The Dark Knight Returns (not to mention most of Sin City) aren't what I would call deliberately humorous or tongue-in-cheek. People are just really confused by Miller's sudden change in his approach to Batman.
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Re: All-Star Batman and Robin

Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:43 pm

buster00 wrote:Thing is, Batman: Year One and The Dark Knight Returns (not to mention most of Sin City) aren't what I would call deliberately humorous or tongue-in-cheek. People are just really confused by Miller's sudden change in his approach to Batman.


what about DK Strikes Again?

there was some salad tossing in that...
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Re: All-Star Batman and Robin

Postby buster00 on Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:47 pm

Keepcoolbutcare wrote:what about DK Strikes Again?

there was some salad tossing in that...


Ahh, yes. True enough. I often forget about DK2.
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Postby Chairman Kaga on Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:23 pm

DK2 was also obviously tongue in cheek so I am not surprised that this is. For some reason fans always want and expect Miller to write the same style over and over again.
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Re: All-Star Batman and Robin

Postby vixena on Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:47 am

How do you get past the last boss in Batman? I am in the last bos fight, I believe to be anyway, in Batman Arkham Asylum. The 2 titans wouldnt be a problem but its the darn henchmen. They make my blood boil everytime I die due to them. If anyone has a solution or a stratagy, please help.
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Dark Knight: Boy Wonder

Postby TheButcher on Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:39 pm

From CBR:
Jim Lee Talks "Dark Knight: Boy Wonder"
With he and Frank Miller's Batman serial set to return as a monthly in 2011, superstar artist and DC Co-Publisher Jim Lee opened up to CBR about the delays, the title change and his creative future.

Kiel Phegley wrote:More than a few comic series have fallen victim to the complications of scheduling, never to be heard from again. But today, one particularly high profile comic series earned a new life...though it's one that won't start just yet.

On their official blog The Source, DC Comics announced plans that the team of Frank Miller and Jim Lee would complete the journey started in 2005 with "All Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder," with a twist. In the post, Lee explained that the pair of legendary creators have six issues to go to complete their origin tale of the crimefighting partnership between Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson, though for this last leg of the series, the book will be called "Dark Knight: Boy Wonder" and will ship monthly starting in February of 2011. The purpose behind the re-titling and far out launch date for "Dark Knight: Boy Wonder" was cited by its creators as both ensuring fans that they'd get the complete story they were promised, as well as a story which fits into the personal creative canon of Miller along with his classic "Batman: Year One" and futuristic "Dark Knight" collections.

CBR News reached out to Lee for further comment on what brought the series to this point, and the recently promoted DC Co-Publisher stressed that the long delays (the last "All Star" issue to ship was #10 in August of 2008) experienced by the series "had nothing to do with Frank. He's been a prince through this entire process, and I've never had to wait on him. I was swamped with several projects at the same time that went longer than anticipated, and the original intent of 'ASBR' was that it was only to be six issues. But as we got rolling, the story got bigger and grander, so I'm happy we took the time to develop the relationship between Batman in his prime and his new sidekick. Work then hit a logjam, and I was continually playing catch up. Frank told me in our last meeting that I need to stop, take a deep breath, collect myself and set a realistic date where we could come back out on a regular basis, and that's what we decided to do."

Lee explained that when it came to aligning the new "Boy Wonder" title with Miller's other Batman works, "I think Frank always wrote it with the mindset that it fit into the 'Dark Knight' mythos from the very start. From the introduction of characters like Joker's henchwoman that fans will recognize from 'DKR,' and even some of the cops mentioned by name in this series...Frank has seeded the connections all throughout. As for my part, I know that when I added the Dragon tattoo on Joker's back that I combed through all the other Frank Miller Batman stories to make sure there was never a shot which contradicted that tattoo. In fact, the only parts of Joker that were exposed and tattoo free were his face, his upper chest and his forearms and hands, so that's why I ran with the tattoo on the back after running it by Frank and then editor Bob Schreck for approval.

The artist added that when it comes to Miller's work, "I can probably tell you from memory what's on every page of those books," with a laugh, noting that the future of the book will focus on "Gotham City. Frank really uses the city as another character in the storyline, so the same way we really gave the Batcave its due, we're gonna do the same thing to Gotham. That, and showing the growing relationship between Batman and Robin. And more of the over the top Batman action that fans have loved about this book from the start."

As for why now is the time to start talking about getting "Dark Knight: Boy Wonder" off the ground, Lee said, "My work on the DCU Online game has been winding down, freeing up a chunk of time. I've also tried to become better at telling others 'no' when asked if I could do a cover here and there. The covers add up over time, and each can take a day or two or three. Days better spent drawing 'Dark Knight: Boy Wonder' pages. I still have a backlist of work I need to do that I committed to, but after that - no more side gigs. I prefer doing interiors and telling stories than doing just cover work. That said, some projects, like doing the 'American Vampire' variant cover, were impossible to turn down. It's the toughest aspect of the freelance part of my job."

Just because he's shying away from some cover work doesn't mean Lee will step away from the drawing board as his new duties as Co-Publisher take effect. The artist told CBR, "There's an overt acknowledgement by the rest of the executive team that one of the ways I help DC Comics the most is by doing creative work. The same goes for Geoff Johns, so to that purpose, we are given the latitude to take on projects and fit them into our schedules. So putting this book back on a track is the biggest part of my creative efforts this year. That, and a ten-page story I am doing with Paul Levitz featuring the Legion of Superheroes from the late 1970's that will be a centerpiece of a new art of Jim Lee book called 'Icons,' coming out this July."
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Re: All-Star Batman and Robin

Postby DennisMM on Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:47 pm

So Frank's reputed coke and whores habit didn't have anything to do with the book's delays? It was all Lee's fault?
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Re: Dark Knight: Boy Wonder

Postby TheButcher on Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:02 am

CBR @ NYCC: DC Nation
Lee and Frank Miller's "Dark Knight: Boy Wonder" launches in February, Lee said. "Only having 20 pages will help me a lot."
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Re: All Star Batman And Robin The Boy Wonder #7

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Re: All-Star Batman and Robin

Postby TheButcher on Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:44 pm

WC14: DC Entertainment Goes All Access
Josie Campbell wrote:Lee told a fan or Mr. Myxlplyx that he would not appear in the end of “Superman Unchained,” before telling another audience member that in terms of “All-Star Batman And Robin” Lee had meet with Frank Miller a month ago.
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The Dark Knight Returns Part 3

Postby TheButcher on Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:38 am

Frank Miller And Scott Snyder Planning To Write Dark Knight 3 Together
Rich Johnston wrote:The story, I am told, would concern Carrie Kelley, the Robin of Dark Knight, now in her elder years. She is now in a similar position to that of Bruce Wayne in the original Dark Knight, and she is seeking her own successor to protect Gotham.
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Re: The Dark Knight Returns Part 3

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Re: THE DARK KNIGHT III: THE MASTER RACE

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Re: BEFORE THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS

Postby TheButcher on Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:33 am

NYCC: ROMITA JR. TO DRAW "DARK KNIGHT RETURNS" PREQUEL STORY
John Romita Jr. will provide art for a 48-page one-shot prequel written by Frank Miller and Brian Azzarello to the original "Dark Knight Returns."
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