Superman: Krypton To Earth

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Superman: Krypton To Earth

Postby Regicidal_Maniac on Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:19 am

I bought Krypton To Earth today and it's the best damned thing to come out of this whole ('vague') sequel affair.

Finally DC did an adaptation, of the first third at least, of Superman The Movie.

Sweeeeeet art by Ariel Olivetti, granted the story tells the same events that are so succinctly told by Morrison and Quitely in the four panels on page one issue one of All Star Superman but it's just so nice to see John Barry's crystalline Kryptonopolis finally in the four colour funny pages.

Also it's as if someone gave Donner Singer's wasteful $300M+ budget and he used it effectively. Krypton's been kicked up a notch *BAM!* I know it's a comic and they can do whatever they want without being hampered by moneymen and such. Also given this complete lack of limitations Superman can look like Superman and not just some actor playing Superman. The final page made me want more, mooore, moooooore!!!

I did miss Zod though and this, plus his brief vague mention in the novel lends credence to the writer's allusions to the possible inclusion of Zod in a future Superman 'requel'.

Can't wait to see the rest of these Prologues, to use the correct term.
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Postby doglips on Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:22 am

Got a link?
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Postby Regicidal_Maniac on Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:01 am

thedoglippedone wrote:Got a link?


To what?

It's a comic book. What do you want a link to my bookshelf or something?

I take it Google doesn't work on your computer.

Here's a link to the covers at Adam Hughes' website.

Here's a link to a story about the comics on Newsarama.

Here's a link to an earlier story about the press release announcing the projects.

They came out today and the coverprice is US$3.99 which is steep in the Aussie South Pacific Peso but the Ariel Olivetti artwork is worth it.

Want me to chew your food for you?

And what's with the no please, I know this is the internet but still.
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Postby doglips on Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:05 am

Regicidal_Maniac wrote:
thedoglippedone wrote:Got a link?


To what?

It's a comic book. What do you want a link to my bookshelf or something?

I take it Google doesn't work on your computer.

Here's a link to the covers at Adam Hughes' website.

Here's a link to a story about the comics on Newsarama.

Here's a link to an earlier story about the press release announcing the projects.

They came out today and the coverprice is US$3.99 which is steep in the Aussie South Pacific Peso but the Ariel Olivetti artwork is worth it.

Want me to chew your food for you?

And what's with the no please, I know this is the internet but still.


What took you so long? :P

Thanks for the links RM and apologies for the no please.
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Postby You Know My Name on Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:27 pm

I can't find one place that sells comics that has the SR prequels.
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Postby Chairman Kaga on Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:36 pm

It' pretty specious to assume Supes is over 300 mil.
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Postby Regicidal_Maniac on Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:56 am

Chairman Kaga wrote:It' pretty specious to assume Supes is over 300 mil.


Unfortunately it's not just an assumption.

Their official admission is $261Mil but there's a fairly large undisclosed amount on top of that, marketing etc.

Though I cannot prove it to you with links and I know that merely telling you to trust me is expecting too much but that is all I can offer.

Still I guess when the NSW reimburses the $20Mil in tax incentives it'll probably come down to $280.
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Postby buster00 on Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:03 am

Regicidal_Maniac wrote:Though I cannot prove it to you with links and I know that merely telling you to trust me is expecting too much but that is all I can offer.

Still I guess when the NSW reimburses the $20Mil in tax incentives it'll probably come down to $280.


I'll back ya up, Reg.

The ever handy Box Office Mojo lists production budgets as often as they can. They used to list marketing budgets too, but they don't anymore.

In any case, yeah, $300 million easy. There are some nervous tie-wearing motherfuckers slithering around the Warner lot these days. They'll almost certainly make the money back, but DAMN, whadda gamble.
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Postby Chairman Kaga on Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:09 am

buster00 wrote:
Regicidal_Maniac wrote:Though I cannot prove it to you with links and I know that merely telling you to trust me is expecting too much but that is all I can offer.

Still I guess when the NSW reimburses the $20Mil in tax incentives it'll probably come down to $280.


I'll back ya up, Reg.

The ever handy Box Office Mojo lists production budgets as often as they can. They used to list marketing budgets too, but they don't anymore.

In any case, yeah, $300 million easy. There are some nervous tie-wearing motherfuckers slithering around the Warner lot these days. They'll almost certainly make the money back, but DAMN, whadda gamble.


I wonder if this is just the budget of Supes Returns or they are lumping in all pre-prod budgets from the previous Supes films that didn't get off the ground (no pun intended). Shrek's budget would have been much higher had Dreamworks included the nearly 10 years of pre-prod work including paying Chris Farley for his voice recording....but they did not. I mean how much were Nic Cage, Burton, Ratner, Abrams, McG, Kevin Smith etc were paid with nothing shot?

Plus I have found contradictory info
Bryan Singer was quoted as saying the budget for Superman Returns was $250 million in late 2004. He has since denied that figure (Entertainment Weekly, January 27, 2006). Warner Bros. has unofficially put the budget at $184 million, "factoring in tax breaks offered in Australia" (Variety, February 22, 2006 and March 27, 2006). Assuming the Australian tax break is 12%, that puts the actual production budget at $209 million, which is the figure we are using. It is possible the "official" budget for the movie will be lowered when (or even after) it is released, since the studio can spread some of the costs between this release and possible sequels.

Forget Costs of Stars; Studios Pay Most for FX
15 May 2006 (StudioBriefing)
Escalating special effects costs have boosted the budget of Sony's Spider-Man 3, scheduled for release on May 4, 2007, to between $250 million and $300 million, the Wall Street Journal reported over the weekend, citing people close to the studio. The newspaper also said that at least three other films relying heavily on special effects will see their budgets exceed $200 million. They include 20th Century Fox's X-Men sequel ($210 million), Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest ($225 million) and Warner Bros.' Superman Returns ($261 million). Commented the Journal: "The price tags underscore that effects, not stars, sell big movies these days." It also noted that the skyrocketing costs have result in increased tensions between the studios, trying to keep costs down, and the effects houses.


The only thing I am sure of is the budget is more money then I will ever see.
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Postby RogueScribner on Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:27 am

I think the false starts have to be a factor. What the hell can you spend $250 million on? But if you factor in $50 - $60 million of development and pay-or-play deals from previous incarnations of the film, then it makes a little more sense.
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Postby Regicidal_Maniac on Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:41 am

Chairman Kaga wrote:The only thing I am sure of is the budget is more money then I will ever see.


Don't sell yourself short.

"It's no trick to make a lot of money... if what you want to do is make a lot of money."
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Postby RogueScribner on Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:26 am

Not to derail this thread or anything, but I didn't feel it was worth starting another thread over this one little comment I have, and this was the closest thing I could find to a Superman comic book thread.


I just finished reading Superman: Birthright. What a wonderful book! It's basically one giant origin story that details Clark's arrival to Earth, his upbringing, and when he first dons the suit as Superman. I liked all the little nods to continuity, the characterizations were pretty strong for all the characters, and this is probably the first Superman book I've read where it seemed the writer was really trying to focus on what makes him human and not just a superhuman. It's about family, legacy, destiny, and the place one has in the world. An excellent read through and through and the artwork was pretty nifty, too. :)

Whoever recommended this book to me, thanks!
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Postby Regicidal_Maniac on Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:02 am

Birthright is indeed cool and I discussed it with Mark Waid at length as we both got drunker and drunker last year when he was here in Sydney.

I really enjoyed the series and especially the return of mad scientist Luthor, and have been welcoming him back into the regular books as a SuperPowers era villain after such a looong time as a rich studly bastard behind a desk.

For the first time in my life, since his portrayal in Donner's film anyway, I actually found it possible to relate to Clark/Kal/Superman.

I was a bit disappointed by his portrayal of Lana as just a cheerleader with no resolution to the "nobody's heard from Lana in years" comment. Waid said he likes Lana better than Lois and thinks that Clark and Lana are a better fit than Clark and Lois. But since that's too big a change and he really needed us to focus on Lois he made her a bit unlikable because he didn't know what else to do with her, so he just got rid of her from the story.

I like the way the story and designs have influenced the regular continuity and other interpretations, witness Kennedy and Meglia's opening pages to "Infinite City" or Jim Lee's throwaway panels in For Tomorrow.

I'd love someone, possibly me, to do a sequel to Birthright carrying on and moving forward. Creating the ultimate series of Superman with twelve issues a year telling one complete year long tale.

There are elements that I'd like to see more of, Kal learning more about his Kryptonian heritage, Zod/Phantom Zone etc, Bizarro, Metallo, Brainiac, Mxy and more.

I think Superman's origin is such a wonderful story, probably one of the oldest tales ever if you trace it all the way back through the myths of Jesus, Moses and Hercules/Herakles right the way back to Gilgamesh. I could honestly read a title like Krypton to Earth, Man Of Steel, Last Son Of Krypton or Birthright every single month just to pick up new details from different creators takes upon the modern epic of the God raised as a man.
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Postby RogueScribner on Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:06 am

You bring up some points I forgot to mention, like the whole Lana thing. I figured there'd be a payoff somewhere, but there wasn't.

I'm not currently reading a regular Superman title. Are any of them carrying the torch Waid lit? I liked this more humanistic Superman and if there's other stories with this approach, I'd love to read them.
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Postby Regicidal_Maniac on Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:42 am

Not exactly directly following on, no-one's quite sure what is and what isn't in continuity anymore and Dan DiDio says "it ALL happened".

But the current Geoff Johns/Kurt Busiek run and the rumours of the upcoming teams make Superman a very interesting character to read these days.

His recent flight through the ruins of Krypton and the subsequent year without Superpowers have brought Kent to the forefront of the character putting him in touch with his humanity and reason for being who he is and doing what he does.
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