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Postby Ju? on Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:08 pm

I go back to these 2 issues of X-Force & Spider-Man just to look at the imagery seen in these pictures I just scanned this morning, so you can see what I've been seeing for years.

The first scan is from X-Force #3, Oct. 1991 (Released Sep. 1991, exactly 10 years earlier.)
The last 2 are from Spider-Man #16, Nov. 1991 (Continuation of story from XF #3.)
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Postby Captain_Fucking_Magic on Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:21 pm

I always knew there was a connection between Rob Liefeld and terrorists.
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Postby Tyrone_Shoelaces on Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:15 pm

It's been years since I looked at these. I completely forgot about that. Has anyone ever seen Liefeld and Bin Laden in the same room? I think not.
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Postby Ju? on Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:18 pm

Don't take the title seriously. I posted this on IMDB, and some dude took it offensively.
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Postby papalazeru on Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:21 pm

Ooo...give us the link to that?
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Postby Chairman Kaga on Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:47 pm

Is that supposed to be the WTC? If so I am amazed Rob can't even draw them as a square instead of rectangular. I mean he sucks but that's like the most basic perspective.
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Postby Ju? on Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:17 am

Yeah, it is. The first scan is Rob Liefeld, the last 2 was Todd McFarlane.
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Postby RogueScribner on Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:28 am

The WTC has been an obvious target for years. Attacking them isn't an original idea. Jackie Chan was supposed to star in a movie about thwarting an attack on the WTC until the real attack happened. What would be weird is if Marvel actually named the terrorists who were involved . . . !
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Postby Captain_Fucking_Magic on Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:31 am

Ju? wrote:Yeah, it is. The first scan is Rob Liefeld, the last 2 was Todd McFarlane.
You've got them labled incorrectly. The first one is Spider-man by McFarlane and the other two are X-Force by Liefeld.
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Postby Ju? on Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:34 am

No. I have them labeled correctly. I should know, I scanned them.
X-Force #3 was done by Rob Liefeld (as seen in 1st scan.)
Spider-Man #16 was done by Todd McFarlane (as seen in 2nd & 3rd scans, which was also his last issue with Marvel.)
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Postby Ju? on Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:35 am

RogueScribner wrote:The WTC has been an obvious target for years. Attacking them isn't an original idea. Jackie Chan was supposed to star in a movie about thwarting an attack on the WTC until the real attack happened. What would be weird is if Marvel actually named the terrorists who were involved . . . !

Black Tom & Juggernaut did it in those issues.
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Postby ONeillSG1 on Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:36 am

Liefeld should be shot for drawing Captain America like his chest was giving birth to the Alien Queen:

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Postby Captain_Fucking_Magic on Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:39 am

Ju? wrote:No. I have them labeled correctly. I should know, I scanned them.
X-Force #3 was done by Rob Liefeld (as seen in 1st scan.)
Spider-Man #16 was done by Todd McFarlane (as seen in 2nd & 3rd scans, which was also his last issue with Marvel.)
I'm tellin you I'm clicking on the one that ends in XF3 and its Spider-man, while the two that end in SM16-1 and SM16-2 are X-factor. I assume XF stands for X-force while SM stands for Spider-man. Spider-man is by McFarlane. X-force is by Liefeld. So you've got them labeled wrong.
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Postby Ju? on Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:39 am

He should be shot for drawing those crotchlines on his male characters. As a matter of fact, I think he's one of the most overrated artists of all time.
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Postby Ju? on Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:41 am

Captain_Fucking_Magic wrote:
Ju? wrote:No . I have them labeled correctly. I should know, I scanned them.
X-Force #3 was done by Rob Liefeld (as seen in 1st scan.)
Spider-Man #16 was done by Todd McFarlane (as seen in 2nd & 3rd scans, which was also his last issue with Marvel.)
I'm tellin you I'm clicking on the one that ends in XF3 and its Spider-man, while the two that end in SM16-1 and SM16-2 are X-factor. I assume XF stands for X-factor while SM stands for Spider-man. So you've got them labeled wrong.

I am telling you, you are incorrect. They are labeled correctly. Look at the art styles. By the way, if you read the top, I mention where the scans came from, and it's X-Force, not X-Factor. I can make you feel stupid by scanning the first page with the credits on it, but, I think I'll spare you.
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Postby Captain_Fucking_Magic on Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:43 am

Ju? wrote:
Captain_Fucking_Magic wrote:[q uote="Ju?"]No . I have them labeled correctly. I should know, I scanned them.
X-Force #3 was done by Rob Liefeld (as seen in 1st scan.)
Spider-Man #16 was done by Todd McFarlane (as seen in 2nd & 3rd scans, which was also his last issue with Marvel.)
I'm tellin you I'm clicking on the one that ends in XF3 and its Spider-man, while the two that end in SM16-1 and SM16-2 are X-factor. I assume XF stands for X-factor while SM stands for Spider-man. So you've got them labeled wrong.

I am telling you, you are incorrect. They are labeled correctly. Look at the art styles. By the way, if you read the top, I mention where the scans came from, and it's X-Force, not X-Factor. I can make you feel stupid by scanning the first page with the credits on it, but, I think I'll spare you.[/quote]


Why the fuck would Spider-man be in X-Force and Cable and X-Force be in Spider-man?
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Postby Ju? on Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:44 am

1. It was a crossover.
2. Cable was in X-Force, not X-Factor.

Gimme a few minutes, I'll post the covers.
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Postby Captain_Fucking_Magic on Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:50 am

Ju? wrote:1. It was a crossover.
2. Cable was in X-Force, not X-Factor.

Gimme a few minutes, I'll post the covers.
I know he was in X-Force, not X-factor. I just got it mixed up (probably because X-factor is the one that still exists in some form). I didn't know it was a crossover.
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Postby Ribbons on Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:04 am

Well I don't know for sure, but I'd have to say that the first one looks a lot like the work of McFarlane and the latter two look like Liefeld. It's possible you have them labeled wrong by accident.
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Postby Ju? on Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:08 am

I promise you, I've even double checked to give the benefit of the doubt, but I know I have it correct. I don't know how you can mistake the 2 styles. Look at the covers, dude. I just posted them. They say who did what art.
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Postby Ju? on Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:42 am

I guess you all finally realized that I was right.
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Postby Captain_Fucking_Magic on Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:23 am

Ribbons wrote:Well I don't know for sure, but I'd have to say that the first one looks a lot like the work of McFarlane and the latter two look like Liefeld. It's possible you have them labeled wrong by accident.
I thought the same thing (besides that there are far too many backgrounds in the second two for them to be Liefelds). Since Liefeld always just tried to rip off McFarlane (horribly) I believe that Ju was correct. It was odd the respective characters didn't appear in those pages of their respective books, but like he said it was a crossover thing.
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Postby King Psyz on Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:37 am

GLIB vs. Tomboy fight!
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Postby Captain_Fucking_Magic on Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:45 am

King Psyz wrote:GLIB vs. Tomboy fight!
Umm... where's the fight? Did you not notice that in the last post I said he was right?
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Postby King Psyz on Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:52 am

yes but that's not nearly as entertaining
sometimes, it's a good idea to not take me too seriously...
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Postby Leckomaniac on Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:58 am

TOMBOY vs. AIRWOLF FIGHT!
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Postby King Psyz on Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:00 am

guess who will win
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Postby Leckomaniac on Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:02 am

Not too sure...his name has a "fuck" in it...it might mean he is a hard ass.
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Postby King Psyz on Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:06 am

true, but he also used underscores... so hard to call.
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Postby King Psyz on Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:09 am

Captain_Fucking_Magic wrote:
King Psyz wrote:GLIB vs. Tomboy fight!
Umm... where's the fight? Did you not notice that in the last post I said he was right?


and just to end this quickly...

one, right up until that last post it was back and forth.

two, Ju? needs to maybe chill out a wee bit... just sayin' yes you were right, have a cookie.

three, taking things so literally can give you gray hairs.
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Postby Leckomaniac on Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:10 am

Totally.

Underscores are the new wine coolers.
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Postby King Psyz on Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:12 am

underscores brought to you by Bartles & James...

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Postby Leckomaniac on Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:17 am

HA! I am so glad that you went with the wine cooler motif.
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Postby King Psyz on Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:18 am

well honesty, credit goes where credit is due, you were the inspiration.
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Postby Leckomaniac on Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:33 am

We're like a comedy duo...Abbot and Costello perhaps?
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Postby King Psyz on Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:49 am

ren & stimpy?
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Postby Leckomaniac on Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:50 am

Happy Happy Joy Joy!
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Postby Ju? on Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:55 am

Captain_Fucking_Magic wrote:
Ribbons wrote:Well I don't know for sure, but I'd have to say that the first one looks a lot like the work of McFarlane and the latter two look like Liefeld. It's possible you have them labeled wrong by accident.
I thought the same thing (besides that there are far too many backgrounds in the second two for them to be Liefelds). Since Liefeld always just tried to rip off McFarlane (horribly) I believe that Ju was correct. It was odd the respective characters didn't appear in those pages of their respective books, but like he said it was a crossover thing.

You know what? I didn't notice, but you're right. I can see where you'd get it mixed up. I just noticed that those respective pages happen to show the guest characters (Spider-Man in X-Force, X-Force in Spider-Man). Now I understand where this all started. I apologize. The labeling is right, though.
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Postby King Psyz on Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:01 am

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Postby Leckomaniac on Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:03 am

I am toally internet hugging you...in the manliest way possible.
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Postby King Psyz on Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:06 am

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Postby Ju? on Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:12 am

What the fuck is going on now?

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Postby silentbobafett on Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:01 am

OI! JU?! Listen! I don't want to open old wounds, but before I scrolled down to the scrap I looked at the pics and was confused:

YOU HAVE THEM LABELLED WRONG! The first one is spiderman, where as the second one doesn't have spiderman on it, but has Xforce! (laffing at X-Factor btw!)

Is anyone else noticing this? :-)
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Postby Ribbons on Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:43 am

silentbobafett wrote:OI! JU?! Listen! I don't want to open old wounds, but before I scrolled down to the scrap I looked at the pics and was confused:

YOU HAVE THEM LABELLED WRONG! The first one is spiderman, where as the second one doesn't have spiderman on it, but has Xforce! (laffing at X-Factor btw!)

Is anyone else noticing this? :-)


I'm thinking he's right now, actually. If you blow up the first pic with Spider-Man, there's a little word box at the bottom that says "Continued in Spider-Man #16" (which I missed first time around :oops: ). Soooo, whatever comic that is, it ain't Spider-Man #16.
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Postby Ju? on Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:15 am

I'm glad someone's paying attention. In this storyline, which starts in X-Force #3, Spider-Man appears to help X-Force follow Black Tom & Juggernaut, the story continues in Spider-Man #16 and ends in X-Force #4. Here are the covers to the first 2 parts for those of you who are still confused. I know it's difficult because the pictures I scanned happen to be pics of just Spider-Man in X-Force, and just X-Force in Spider-Man, but trust me, I have it right. I would never mistake Liefeld artwork for McFarlane.

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Postby silentbobafett on Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:18 am

Admitdly I can't see anything anyway. But my braile monitor is playing up. Thats HP for yah!
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Postby Ju? on Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:23 am

Are you serious?
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Postby King Psyz on Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:45 am

like a heart attack
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