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Postby Captain_Fucking_Magic on Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:57 pm

Over at Newsarama I've noticed many times in Joe Quesada's Joe Fridays talk of the ads in comics, the placement of ads, and how he's promised in the past to limit the amount of ads in comics.

Today I picked up the first issue of The Immortal Iron Fist.

24 pages of comic.

26 pages of advertisements.

Thats just fucking ridiculous. Comics are almost asking to be a dead medium by constantly convincing customers to just wait for the trade paperback where everytime your eyes move over to the next page it's not an 80% chance you'll be looking at the new Honda or Nissan. While Marvel often seems far worse than DC in doing this, DC certainly isn't innocent. When Superman Confidential #1 came out it seemed quite thick, but not with content. There was a 3D ad with glasses and an 8 page insert for something called Spark Top with the cartoon Teen Titans. This is at the middle of the comic, usually the place where someone who just happens to pick up a comic to see whats inside will flip. Inserts like this I instantly rip out.

These were both first issues of series. The issue that will make or break your series, and it seems like they're purposely trying to break their comics.

(It was almost as bad this week when I opened up a regular Teen Titans, to find the same annoying ads fattening up the book. An 8 page insert of cartoon teen titans in the middle of an actual teen titans book.)

Anyone else felt that the amount of ads in comics is starting to drive them away from the medium? I mean we get tivos for are tvs mostly because we are annoyed by ads. We don't get to the movie theater early so we don't have to be annoyed by ads. With comics, regardless of just flipping the page, you're still trying to read and look at artwork with ads jumping into your eyeline.
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Postby Orcus on Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:03 pm

That's why I love graphic novels. Given a year or so, major story arcs get the GN treatment.

You would have thought that the number of ads would have brought the prices down.
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Postby Captain_Fucking_Magic on Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:08 pm

Orcus wrote:You would have thought that the number of ads would have brought the prices down.
Of course not. Up and up.
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Re: Ads in Comics

Postby buster00 on Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:21 am

Captain_Fucking_Magic wrote: There was a 3D ad with glasses and an 8 page insert for something called Spark Top with the cartoon Teen Titans. This is at the middle of the comic, usually the place where someone who just happens to pick up a comic to see whats inside will flip. Inserts like this I instantly rip out.


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Er, on topic, maybe it's because comics are a "dying medium" that they have to rely on so much advertising in order to justify their existence to their corpo-masters. I've noticed the increase, but it hasn't risen to the level at which it frustrates me that much.
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Re: Ads in Comics

Postby Captain_Fucking_Magic on Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:35 am

buster00 wrote:
Captain_Fucking_Magic wrote: There was a 3D ad with glasses and an 8 page insert for something called Spark Top with the cartoon Teen Titans. This is at the middle of the comic, usually the place where someone who just happens to pick up a comic to see whats inside will flip. Inserts like this I instantly rip out.


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I doubt taking that part out affects the worth of the comic as its not even part of the comic, but if it did I wouldn't care.
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Postby silentbobafett on Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:40 am

Are comics a dying medium?

Even with the boost from Hollywood?

How much of a dying medium? Are we going to see comics become just a very basic underground artform?

I thought it was on the up! The comic shop in my average town UK has more geek toys than ever... I can't see why there is so much geek stuff unless people are willing to buy them... this all forms part of the comic world. Surely if you want a collection of figures from Hush you gotta be some kind of comic book fan! :-)
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Postby Chilli on Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:10 am

The market is horribly oversaturated with products. I collect maybe three comics a month, three to four graphic novels a month, and the occassional goofy item (Gizmo says HOWDY), but that's barely a percentage of the available stuff. I mean who the Hell is responsible for the multitude of X-Men comic-books out. I understand AXM, Ultimate X-Men, and sporodically X-Factor... but then you enter into a world of disturbingly canonical X-Men comics.
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Re: Ads in Comics

Postby doglips on Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:29 pm

Captain_Fucking_Magic wrote:
Today I picked up the first issue of The Immortal Iron Fist.

24 pages of comic.

26 pages of advertisements.

Thats just fucking ridiculous.


Indeed, I picked this up today and the amount of ads totally trashes the narrative. Every other page is an ad. Great art though.
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:36 pm

I only read comics sporadically now. Has anyone ever tried product placement in lieu of full page separate ads (or, more realistically, partially in lieu of such ads but limiting them a bit). You know the kind of stuff I mean, Iron Man is flying and instead of a billboard for Stark International in the background it's a billboard for Ford...

Given that it would be a part of the art would that be whoring of the highest degree? Would it be better or worse than 20+ pages of full page ads mucking up the storyline? Or is it just equally as bad?
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Postby morbo on Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:38 pm

silentbobafett wrote:Are comics a dying medium?

Even with the boost from Hollywood?



A medium propped up by a dying medium. The same result either puny way.
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Postby tstreet on Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:39 pm

No matter what form of entertainment you sit down to watch or read, they are covered with far too many advertisements.

We have been bitching for years, but as long as there is money in it,t hey will kepp doing it, no matter what.
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Postby doglips on Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:39 pm

I think it's got to be ads, you don't want the product placement in a TPB or Graphic Novel.

However any comic execs reading this thread will probably think that's a great idea, bugger. What have you set in motion Moo?11?!
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:41 pm

thedoglippedone wrote:I think it's got to be ads, you don't want the product placement in a TPB or Graphic Novel.

However any comic execs reading this thread will probably think that's a great idea, bugger. What have you set in motion Moo?11?!


I am comforted only by the fact that I'm certain it has been discussed in the past. Probably artist backlash is the only thing keeping it from being commonplace (as it is in TV and film).

ETA: and great point about the Graphic Novels, I hadn't considered it from that end of things...
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Re: They Suck

Postby Captain_Fucking_Magic on Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:43 pm

tstreet wrote:No matter what form of entertainment you sit down to watch or read, they are covered with far too many advertisements.
You've apparently never picked up a book.

For those who haven't seen, Marvel also does product placement inside the panel.
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Postby Adam Balm on Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:45 pm

thedoglippedone wrote:I think it's got to be ads, you don't want the product placement in a TPB or Graphic Novel.


Marvel has already started product placement. Rich Johnston's been covering it in Lying in the Gutters over at CBR.
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Postby doglips on Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:47 pm

Adam Balm wrote:
thedoglippedone wrote:I think it's got to be ads, you don't want the product placement in a TPB or Graphic Novel.


Marvel has already started product placement. Rich Johnston's been covering it in Lying in the Gutters over at CBR.


Sheesh. How depressing.
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Re: They Suck

Postby tstreet on Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:49 pm

Captain_Fucking_Magic wrote:
tstreet wrote:No matter what form of entertainment you sit down to watch or read, they are covered with far too many advertisements.
You've apparently never picked up a book.


And that is where you are apparently wrong, I read on average two to three books a month. it is my favorite form of entertainment and education.

Maybe I should have been super specific.

MOVIES IN THEATERS, DVD'S, COMICS, MAGAZINES, NEWSPAPERS, TELEVISION, PORN MAGS, THE INTERNET ARE ALL FORMS OF ENTERTAINMENT WITH WAY TOO MANY ADVERTISEMENTS.

THE SOLE GLORIOUS EXCEPTION IS THE TRULY AMAZING ENTERTAINMENT AND EDUCATION OF READING A BOOK. THEY HAVE NO FORMS OF ADVERTISING.

BUT BY SAYING THAT I A WRONG, BECAUSE IN MOST BOOKS THERE IS AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE AUTHORS OTHER WORKS, AND ALSO SOMETIMES WORKS OF OTHER AUTHORS PRINTED BY THE SAME COMPANY.
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Postby MasterWhedon on Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:50 pm

You can also advertise in your signatures. :wink:
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Postby tstreet on Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:51 pm

MasterWhedon wrote:You can also advertise in your signatures. :wink:


Most, including myself, advertise something in their sigs. I guess we are just as guilty.
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:53 pm

I should have known Marvel would already be doing it...

I'm going to start advertising in my sig. I'm just going to pick a random product every week and pimp it out.
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Re: They Suck

Postby Captain_Fucking_Magic on Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:14 pm

tstreet wrote:
Captain_Fucking_Magic wrote:
tstreet wrote:No matter what form of entertainment you sit down to watch or read, they are covered with far too many advertisements.
You've apparently never picked up a book.



BUT BY SAYING THAT I A WRONG, BECAUSE IN MOST BOOKS THERE IS AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE AUTHORS OTHER WORKS, AND ALSO SOMETIMES WORKS OF OTHER AUTHORS PRINTED BY THE SAME COMPANY.
But not until after the book is over (or perhaps a page before the book starts listing other books the author may have written for that publisher).
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Re: They Suck

Postby Adam Balm on Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:33 pm

Captain_Fucking_Magic wrote:
tstreet wrote:
Captain_Fucking_Magic wrote:
tstreet wrote:No matter what form of entertainment you sit down to watch or read, they are covered with far too many advertisements.
You've apparently never picked up a book.



BUT BY SAYING THAT I A WRONG, BECAUSE IN MOST BOOKS THERE IS AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE AUTHORS OTHER WORKS, AND ALSO SOMETIMES WORKS OF OTHER AUTHORS PRINTED BY THE SAME COMPANY.
But not until after the book is over (or perhaps a page before the book starts listing other books the author may have written for that publisher).


I think Nature had an article on this subject. Really quite fascinating...
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Re: They Suck

Postby doglips on Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:35 pm

Adam Balm wrote:
Captain_Fucking_Magic wrote:
tstreet wrote:
Captain_Fucking_Magic wrote:
tstreet wrote:No matter what form of entertainment you sit down to watch or read, they are covered with far too many advertisements.
You've apparently never picked up a book.



BUT BY SAYING THAT I A WRONG, BECAUSE IN MOST BOOKS THERE IS AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE AUTHORS OTHER WORKS, AND ALSO SOMETIMES WORKS OF OTHER AUTHORS PRINTED BY THE SAME COMPANY.
But not until after the book is over (or perhaps a page before the book starts listing other books the author may have written for that publisher).


I think Nature had an article on this subject. Really quite fascinating...


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Re: They Suck

Postby tstreet on Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:18 pm

thedoglippedone wrote:
Adam Balm wrote:
Captain_Fucking_Magic wrote:
tstreet wrote:
Captain_Fucking_Magic wrote:
tstreet wrote:No matter what form of entertainment you sit down to watch or read, they are covered with far too many advertisements.
You've apparently never picked up a book.



BUT BY SAYING THAT I A WRONG, BECAUSE IN MOST BOOKS THERE IS AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE AUTHORS OTHER WORKS, AND ALSO SOMETIMES WORKS OF OTHER AUTHORS PRINTED BY THE SAME COMPANY.
But not until after the book is over (or perhaps a page before the book starts listing other books the author may have written for that publisher).


I think Nature had an article on this subject. Really quite fascinating...


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True, the ads in Books are nowhere near annoying, in fact they don't bother me at all, but they do exist. Just making a point that they ar everywhere.

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Re: They Suck

Postby DennisMM on Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:21 pm

tstreet wrote:
Captain_Fucking_Magic wrote:
tstreet wrote:No matter what form of entertainment you sit down to watch or read, they are covered with far too many advertisements.
You've apparently never picked up a book.


THE SOLE GLORIOUS EXCEPTION IS THE TRULY AMAZING ENTERTAINMENT AND EDUCATION OF READING A BOOK. THEY HAVE NO FORMS OF ADVERTISING.

BUT BY SAYING THAT I A WRONG, BECAUSE IN MOST BOOKS THERE IS AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE AUTHORS OTHER WORKS, AND ALSO SOMETIMES WORKS OF OTHER AUTHORS PRINTED BY THE SAME COMPANY.


Also, many paperbacks in the '60s and '70s contained ads for non-book products. Cigarettes, for example, were advertised on a semi-slick cardstock bound into the middle. The cards weren't perforated, so removing them was a bit risky.
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Postby SilentBobX on Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:31 pm

At least we don't get political ads in comics. Besides, I prefer graphic novels, or silver age comics for my fix if need be. Modern comics pretty much suck with their constipated bodybuilder/anime on pcp style of drawing that artists these days seem hooked on.[/img]
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Postby Pacino86845 on Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:35 pm

SilentBobX wrote:At least we don't get political ads in comics.


But you get army recruitment ads... and during the elections in the nineties, there were political ads in comics.
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Postby SilentBobX on Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:39 pm

I must've missed those. I raise my eyebrows more when I see army ads in Rolling Stone(who just printed my letter). And then they bash the military in alot of their stories. Weird, no?
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Postby Pacino86845 on Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:55 pm

SilentBobX wrote:I must've missed those. I raise my eyebrows more when I see army ads in Rolling Stone(who just printed my letter). And then they bash the military in alot of their stories. Weird, no?


Yeah it is kind of strange, 'cause they're obviously aiming right for the younguns right there... I too, raise my eyebrows... what issue does your letter show up in? What's it about?
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Postby SilentBobX on Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:59 pm

My letter is in the current issue with Borat on the cover. I'm the guy from Jefferson, NC
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Postby buster00 on Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:15 pm

When I first saw this thread, I thought it was gonna be about the ads for Charles Atlas ("Darn it! I'm sick and tired of being a scarecrow!"), Johnson Smith (purveyors of X-Ray Goggles, Spy Pen Radio, and U-Control 7-Foot Life Size Ghost), and that sort of nostalgic shit.

Stuff like this, complete with wise-ass remarks from Seanbaby's website.
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Postby SilentBobX on Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:46 pm

I remember when Ahnuld did those muscle ads. Certainly his were a little more believable than some I'd seen in other magazines at the time. But I was never tempted to get that other stuff, including the Xray goggles or the ghost or frankenstein. Only ads that I liked were for those old Revell models of cars and the Wolfman dioramas. Those were cool.
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Postby Wolfpack on Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:14 am

These magazines and comic books boast of high page counts and "Our Biggest Issue Ever," but instead of legit content you are begged to buy watches and bottles of Disarono.
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Postby Captain_Fucking_Magic on Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:15 am

I noticed in a couple of Marvel books from this week that there were more ads in the back of the book after the comic was over.... unfortunately there were still the same amount of ads during the comic.
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Postby unikrunk on Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:29 am

Yeah, things are getting weird; found this in the new Young Avengers:

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Postby Captain_Fucking_Magic on Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:37 am

Pfft. That ad is stupid. Everyone knows that, unlike Spider-man, god is make believe.
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Postby unikrunk on Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:38 am

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Postby silentbobafett on Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:56 am

I like ADs in comics cause it makes me feel like I've got more for my moneya nd also it means teh end comes quicker which means the story is over and Ic an more onto the next comic cos I really don't care that much :-)
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Postby buster00 on Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:01 am

I'm not a big fan of AIDS in comics. How much more mileage is Judd Winnick gonna squeeze out of that hoary old chestnut?
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Postby silentbobafett on Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:08 am

Jeeez, man, if Ibrought a comic with aids in it... I'd be sure to send it straight back! How you feeling? You look a little pale today... :-)
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Postby MonkeyM666 on Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:09 am

Post... um I've lost count.

Adds are bad ... (I will remove you from the main page soon boba!)
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Postby silentbobafett on Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:14 am

adds are bad but not as bad as minuses :-)
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Postby MonkeyM666 on Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:22 am

lol... that's cheating. I just said that...

It would be ok if that actually sell you something that is worth you time... like real x-ray classes or something!
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Postby silentbobafett on Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:28 am

Fighting his mind


Monkey... I might have to concede to you in a moment....


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Postby MonkeyM666 on Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:30 am

HORAH!!!!!!

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Postby silentbobafett on Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:34 am

yOU WIN... :-)

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Postby MonkeyM666 on Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:35 am

Ha, ha... now see my AV change to reflect this fact!


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Postby silentbobafett on Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:49 am

awwww man! :-)
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Postby MonkeyM666 on Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:51 am

Sorry to invade this Thread guys. I was actually wonderng (as I'm not a comic reader my self) What are the adds usually for? More comics or is it all girl chat and mobile phone things?
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