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Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Leckomaniac on Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:14 pm

With the end of the decade fast approaching, we are seeing many: "Best _____ of the Decade!" lists. Well, the Onion AV Club threw their hat in the ring for the comics medium.

Click here to view their list and their reasoning. The list goes as follows:

ACHEWOOD
THE ACME NOVELTY LIBRARY
ALL-STAR SUPERMAN
AMERICAN ELF
ASTERIOS POLYP
BLACK HOLE
BLANKETS
BOX OFFICE POISON
CRIMINAL
DAREDEVIL (BENDIS & MALEEV)
DC: THE NEW FRONTIER
EIGHTBALL #23
FUN HOME: A FAMILY TRAGICOMIC
GEORGE SPROTT
THE GOLEM'S MIGHTY SWING
THE GOON
LOUIS RIEL: A COMIC-STRIP BIOGRAPHY
THE MYSTERY OF MARY ROGERS
ONE HUNDRED DEMONS
PERSEPOLIS
PROMETHEA
PYONGYANG: A JOURNEY IN NORTH KOREA
TALES DESIGNED TO THRIZZLE
WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
Y: THE LAST MAN

So, what do you folks think? I haven't read all of the books on the list, but I have read a majority of them. The biggest surprise to me is DAREDEVIL making the list. That seems highly suspect.

Let's hear from the few comic readers we have here. What are some of the best books of the '00s?
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Pacino86845 on Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:25 pm

Leckomaniac wrote:With the end of the decade fast approaching, we are seeing many: "Best _____ of the Decade!" lists. Well, the Onion AV Club threw their hat in the ring for the comics medium.

Click here to view their list and their reasoning. The list goes as follows:

ACHEWOOD
THE ACME NOVELTY LIBRARY
ALL-STAR SUPERMAN
AMERICAN ELF
ASTERIOS POLYP
BLACK HOLE
BLANKETS
BOX OFFICE POISON
CRIMINAL
DAREDEVIL (BENDIS & MALEEV)
DC: THE NEW FRONTIER
EIGHTBALL #23
FUN HOME: A FAMILY TRAGICOMIC
GEORGE SPROTT
THE GOLEM'S MIGHTY SWING
THE GOON
LOUIS RIEL: A COMIC-STRIP BIOGRAPHY
THE MYSTERY OF MARY ROGERS
ONE HUNDRED DEMONS
PERSEPOLIS
PROMETHEA
PYONGYANG: A JOURNEY IN NORTH KOREA
TALES DESIGNED TO THRIZZLE
WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
Y: THE LAST MAN

So, what do you folks think? I haven't read all of the books on the list, but I have read a majority of them. The biggest surprise to me is DAREDEVIL making the list. That seems highly suspect.

Let's hear from the few comic readers we have here. What are some of the best books of the '00s?


From that list I've read:

ALL-STAR SUPERMAN
BLANKETS
CRIMINAL
DC: THE NEW FRONTIER
THE GOON
LOUIS RIEL: A COMIC-STRIP BIOGRAPHY
PERSEPOLIS
Y: THE LAST MAN (first two volumes in the omnibus)

Also some of ACME Novelty Library with a couple of others in the pipeline. I have some of the DAREDEVIL (BENDIS & MALEEV) issues but haven't read them yet.

I'd really have to sit down and think about my own list, and it will be rather uninformed but I was surprised to find that I'd read so many of the books on the above list. I'm most impressed by the inclusion of Louis Riel of the books I've read, I didn't think anyone else had read it!! Certainly deserves mention.

I am a pretty huge fan of The Goon, but I do also think that it's been overhyped. It's a good funny book with some nice art, don't know if I'd put it at the top of the medium, though. I really enjoyed Persepolis, but that too is a wee bit overhyped... if anything Satrapi's Poulet Aux Prunes deserves mention rather than Persepolis. Nothing to complain about Y the Last Man from what I've read so far, and New Frontier and All-Star Superman are among my favorite comics EVAR, so I'm glad to see 'em there.

Right off the top of my head though I feel as though Superman: Red Son belongs on such a list as well.

EDIT: And, holy crappa, SCOTT PILGRIM IS MISSING!!
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Leckomaniac on Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:37 pm

Compiling my list will be difficult as well, considering I started reading comics in the 00s. That means I read old and new stuff exclusively in this period. I'll have to ruminate a bit, but I can tell you Y: The Last Man, All Star Superman, Blankets, and Scott Pilgrim will be on there.

Probably Superman: Secret Identity as well.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Pacino86845 on Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:26 pm

Blankets is in its own way the comic book equivalent of A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Fried Gold on Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:43 pm

I've only read All-Star Superman and New Frontier from that list.

My own list would probably include Sinestro Corps War (assuming I can count that as one thing), Garth Ennis' The Boys and DC's 52.

Which is far less eclectic, but then I don't buy that much.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Seppuku on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:46 am

Hrrm. I wasn't really much of a comic book fan before I joined The Zone. I've read a lot of whole runs the last few years, though. The ones that stand out in my mind are:

Lucifer
Scalped
Midnight Nation
Top Ten
Fell
Jodorowsky's Borgia books
Planetary
Y: The Last Man
Scott Pilgrim I-V
David Boring
Astro City
Acme Novelty Library/Jimmy Corrigan: Smartest Kid on Earth
Black Hole
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Al Shut on Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:58 am

Seppuku wrote:Jodorowsky's Borgia books


An Jodorowsky/Manara cooperation titled Power and Incest? I risked a few glances but didn't dare to buy, does it make any sense (unlike the metabaron prequel)?
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Seppuku on Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:59 am

Does it make any sense? Possibly a little more than his sci-fi does, considering it's bound by actual historical events. The fact that those "historical events" were the ridiculously corrupt Borgia line of popes, however, means that if you think that Jodo can be a little extreme every now and then, well...you ain't seen nothing yet! Even The Lost Girls didn't have a scene as messed up as the one of the pope setting up his son and daughter just so he can ensure that his family remain...closer together. And you know, more of this is true than you'd figure. The Borgias were like the way more dissolute Corleone family of their day, and Jod followed their history pretty closely, needing to change surprisingly little to suit it to his own sadistic style. I guess he adds a tits-to-the-wall chickfight at a convent in the first book that probably didn't happen, but you know, I'm not complaining.

And if you've read Click, you'll know that Manara's a master at making the bawdiest stuff seem like works of art. He must be a little bummed that almost nothing he's done has managed to get a release in America/England uncensored. They do know that almost everyone has access to the most hardcore real-life porn, right? How is drawing little pink panties all over one man's work any different from drawing moustaches on a Matisse or beards on a Botticelli? Just accept that comics have moved on from the days of Bunty and Beano and go vent your sexual frustration on Rockstar's latest game or something. Oy!

So, worth a read if you've got just a little bit of the sadist in you, too. It's kind of like one of those Horrible Histories books made for kids (boys) detailing all the gruesome goings on of the past. I don't think this is his best work (The White Lama?), but I suppose he's restrained [narratively speaking] just enough that it might be a better entrance point than a random Incal-verse prequel.

By the way, The Power and the Incest is the second of three volumes. If you're thinking of getting any of them, make sure you start with Blood for the Pope. Considering the story plays out like a lavish costume drama as made by Hammer Horror, the volumes don't stand alone and should be read in order.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Pacino86845 on Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:19 pm

Finally got to read through the article.

There's something on there by one of my favorite comic creators, Jason... except I don't know what book it is because I read all his stuff in French, the titles might be different. In any case Jason definitely deserves mention, some of his awesome books that come to mind right now are: I Killed Adolf Hitler, which features delightful time-travel paradoxes, The Last Musketeer, which features Martians, and Hemingway, which is some sort of murder mystery, the details escape me right now. In fact I think "Hemingway" is the French title for "Why Are You Doing this?" In any case, I'd highly recommend any of those three books.

Alan Moore and Melinda Gebbie's Lost Girls, while years in the making, would be on my list as well.

EDIT: Seppuku, I totally grok you regarding Fell, though I'm not sure I'd be ballsy enough to put it on a list. Still, there's something about the simplicity in execution that makes it special. Good call on David Boring, for some reason I thought that was published earlier than the '00s. I'm curious about Eightball #23, wonder if it's still findable these days. And while I've heard so much about Black Hole, I still haven't read it.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Al Shut on Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:52 pm

Borgia really sounds interesting, a healthy dose of reality could be just the right thing to ground Jodorowsky, even if it's completely fucked up reality.

And speaking of Hitler and time travel, since I firmly believe everything Walter Moers does (at least in comics and books) belongs to the best in every decade Adolf: Der Bonker should be named. I have to giggle just thinking about it.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Leckomaniac on Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:37 pm

Why Are You Doing This? Sounds awesome. I am definitely going to track down some translations so I can read some of Jason's stuff. Especially after the strong recommend by Pacina.

The other one I want to read real badly is Asterios Polyp.

Oh, and I still haven't read any PROMETHEA

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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Pacino86845 on Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:57 pm

Heh, me neither... but truth be told it hasn't appealed much to me so far. I will check it out in the far future, right now my backlog of reading goods is enormous, I'll have to get through a good chunk of it before buying anything else...

And I just remembered something else: I thought Peter Milligan and Mike Allred's run on X-Force was pretty excellent, even though it is kind of a slap in the face of superhero comics fans.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby DennisMM on Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:14 pm

My reading has skewed so far away from more literate comics that I'm not sure I could put together a proper list of the best. I'll just have to try for my favorites from the last ten years.

Promethea will be on it. Get reading, you two.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Al Shut on Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:39 am

I've only read the first six or seven issues of Promethea and while it was certainly interesting and entertaining I didn't have the impression it was best of the decade good.


On closer inspection (as close as I can get without buying or feeling guilty), if Borgia is one of the decades best than mankind as a whole is in deep trouble. Not to knock it completely but it too is full of the contradictory seemingly random behavior that bugged me about Castaka
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Seppuku on Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:31 am

Al Shut wrote:On closer inspection (as close as I can get without buying or feeling guilty), if Borgia is one of the decades best than mankind as a whole is in deep trouble. Not to knock it completely but it too is full of the contradictory seemingly random behavior that bugged me about Castaka


Yeah, I was trying to drop hints that it might be a way personal choice: I pretty much just wanted to include a 2000's Jodorowsky comic, and that was the first one I could come up with. I still find it kind of fun, though...

By the way, I realised I didn't include any manga. Scott Green would be pissed. Thus, added to the list (maybe in place of Borgia) are Blade of the Immortal, which was mostly released in the '00s, and Battle Royale.

Looking back, a lot of the ones I picked started in the '90s and ended in the '00s. I'd say the majority of the series run would have to have been released this decade to qualify, so I guess I should take Transmet off the list. David Boring, however, was really one long story and came out in collected form in 2000, so I think it should qualify. Yeah, I'm the kind of douchebag who likes to make up their own rules at Monopoly.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby DennisMM on Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:20 pm

Al, the early issues of Promethea are just a setup for what the book really is about - Moore using comics to explore magick and shamanism in a modern/futuristic setting. It's about symbolism and philosophy rather than story content, much of the time. One issue features titles for each page, all of them anagrams but making perfect sense. The book wasn't just written, it was designed and constructed.

Admittedly, it's not for everyone.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Al Shut on Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:14 am

I have it filed under someday when I have money
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Seppuku on Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:20 am

DennisMM wrote:Al, the early issues of Promethea are just a setup for what the book really is about - Moore using comics to explore magick and shamanism in a modern/futuristic setting. It's about symbolism and philosophy rather than story content, much of the time. One issue features titles for each page, all of them anagrams but making perfect sense. The book wasn't just written, it was designed and constructed.

Admittedly, it's not for everyone.


I really liked Promethea, although I still find Top Ten more entertaining so I put that there instead. Even I'll admit, however, that it's mighty strange how all the big Brit writers- Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Grant Morrison and Warren Ellis (at least looking at his blog)- all profess deep interest in Paganism, Shamanism and Forteana. It's almost as if they all hooked up sometime in the early '90s and agreed to spend much of the rest of their careers trying to implant an anti-monotheistic, anti-authoritarian, pro-Druidic seed into their readership's minds. I guess they've all cooled down on it since, but there was a point there where they'd resolve every plot by babbling inanities and dropping Crowley and William Blake's names just to give their crazy spiels some kind of authentication.

That being said, Martin Luther King said that to truly believe in something and to keep it to yourself is something of a crime, so I say mo' powah to them! Only a total narrative junkie wouldn't have found that last issue of Promethea strangely beautiful.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Al Shut on Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:03 am

By the way reading about series that started in the 90's and manga made something click in my head.

Shamo was great in weird way (at least the first 13 or so volumes) A bit like watching a paranoid Alex DeLarge on steroids.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Leckomaniac on Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:20 am

Just thought I would pass this along. The LA Times released their best books of 2009 and there were two pleasant surprises.

"The Book of Genesis Illustrated" by R. Crumb
An honest, powerful and violent rendering of Genesis by the artist.

"Asterios Polyp" by David Mazzuchelli
An intriguing hybrid graphic novel about a paper architect "whose reputation rested on his designs, rather than on the buildings constructed from them."


Pretty cool, I thought. And certainly moves Asterios Polyp up on my list of future reads.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Pacino86845 on Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:25 am

I already talked about the Book of Genesis as illustrated by Crumb, but it was IGNORED!!! Now I know how Kirk feels... who?
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby magicmonkey on Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:14 am

Seppuku wrote:
DennisMM wrote:Al, the early issues of Promethea are just a setup for what the book really is about - Moore using comics to explore magick and shamanism in a modern/futuristic setting. It's about symbolism and philosophy rather than story content, much of the time. One issue features titles for each page, all of them anagrams but making perfect sense. The book wasn't just written, it was designed and constructed.

Admittedly, it's not for everyone.


I really liked Promethea, although I still find Top Ten more entertaining so I put that there instead. Even I'll admit, however, that it's mighty strange how all the big Brit writers- Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Grant Morrison and Warren Ellis (at least looking at his blog)- all profess deep interest in Paganism, Shamanism and Forteana. It's almost as if they all hooked up sometime in the early '90s and agreed to spend much of the rest of their careers trying to implant an anti-monotheistic, anti-authoritarian, pro-Druidic seed into their readership's minds. I guess they've all cooled down on it since, but there was a point there where they'd resolve every plot by babbling inanities and dropping Crowley and William Blake's names just to give their crazy spiels some kind of authentication.

That being said, Martin Luther King said that to truly believe in something and to keep it to yourself is something of a crime, so I say mo' powah to them! Only a total narrative junkie wouldn't have found that last issue of Promethea strangely beautiful.


I gotta say Promethea is up there for me too... but I don't tend to read comics too widely (to my intense regret). As for the Neo-Pagan roots of all these guys, I can only imagine it was most of these guys time at 2000AD under Pat Mills. Who I once made a cup of tea for! I guess its in all the Celtic mythology that informed a lot of their material. Its just fuckin boss stuff. I remember reading Marshal Law for the first time (gasp) that was HARDCORE. Really opened my eyes to what was going on in comics!

Sepp wrote: but there was a point there where they'd resolve every plot by babbling inanities and dropping Crowley and William Blake's names just to give their crazy spiels some kind of authentication.


And lo! Lost was born. :lol:

Seriously, I find the plot or narrative a device to explore some seriously out there concepts that address and explore the human condition and that is something Lost does rather well too. Its far more interesting to me to consider these things rather than get all bound up in a plot which to me just represents drive.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Leckomaniac on Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:50 am

TIME Magazine's TECHLAND website has gotten in on the action with their 10 Best Comics of the Decade

For those that do not want to read their justification the list can be found below:

1. The Ultimates
2. 100 Bullets
3. Planetary
4. All Star Superman
5. The Walking Dead
6. The Authority
7. Mouseguard
8. Blankets
9. Invincible
10. Y The Last Man


A lot of love for Robert Kirkman right there. And Mark Millar/Warren Ellis, for that matter. The biggest surprise, for me, is that inclusion of Mouse Guard. Love the book, not sure it deserves to be in the top 10, but I like that an indie title made it in there.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Al Shut on Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:51 pm

Y seems to be on a lot of lists and although being very good I have to say after reading the first four (I think) trades of both I enjoyed Ex Machina more.

Despite everybody waving their hands like they're deaf-mute.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Leckomaniac on Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:03 pm

Al Shut wrote:Y seems to be on a lot of lists and although being very good I have to say after reading the first four (I think) trades of both I enjoyed Ex Machina more.

Despite everybody waving their hands like they're deaf-mute.


They are both excellent, but I give Y the nod slightly because of how epic it is. It just covers so much ground. And, I am partial to the ending, which I believe is one of the greatest single issues of a comic that I own.

I hope that Ex Machina has a comparable ending. I imagine it will, because Vaughan has done well with ending his runs (with the exception of his last RUNAWAYS issue, although the ending to the first volume of Runaways is also up there as one of the best issues I own).
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Al Shut on Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:08 am

Which of cause brings us to the fact that I liked Runaways more than Y or Ex Machina. Vaughans referencing stuff style works best there.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Seppuku on Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:00 pm

I really loathe the act of reading 24 pages of a huge story once a month, so I almost never read actual comics and mostly stick to the trades. Maybe reading them in a batch means I don't have time to pore over the details of the plot and spend a large chunk of my life with the characters the way some readers do, but whenever I watch the Lord of the Rings movies I usually try to watch them all in one epic sitting. Reading 24 pages a month, out of a story that draws out for over half a decade, would be like watching a scene of LOTR every few weeks and trying to stay connected to the movie. That's probably why I quit reading Fables, which I'd followed from issue number 1 up to around the mid-30s. I think the actual issue I stopped reading was during the Jack Goes to Hollywood two-parter- I can't remember exactly what it was, but some minor detail about it pissed me off at the time.

Reading them all en masse now, however, I should really have put Fables in this list. The dialogue is whip-smart, the plot twists are creative (an invisible baby that feeds off the sweet-tasting air inside people's lungs? Nice), the covers deserved every inch of the Eisner awards they won and, most importantly, Mark Buckingham draws really, really hot women.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Al Shut on Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:41 pm

The @ssholes from the mainpage are chiming in

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43548
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43525
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43540

out of the 30 titles mentioned there I have partly read only 6(that includes 2 double mentions) and heard of another 4 being good
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Al Shut on Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:30 am

I'm not sure why I haven't mentioned it before, maybe I just unfairly dismissed it as a youth adventure comic not worthy of such a thread but Naruto is pretty awesome on a regular basis.

Masashi Kishimoto is a good comic artist, great storyteller (also in written word, see the anecdotes that are sometimes featured as a filler) and shakes kick ass villains out his sleeve like it was the easiest thing in the world.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby DennisMM on Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:58 pm

Did we ever decide if titles under consideration must have been published just in the '00s? Because there's some outstanding stuff that overlaps from the late '90s.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Leckomaniac on Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:39 pm

DennisMM wrote:Did we ever decide if titles under consideration must have been published just in the '00s? Because there's some outstanding stuff that overlaps from the late '90s.


I think I would say...

As long as the portion being CONSIDERED is from the 00s. Like, if issues 37-50 were published in the 00s than those that need to be deemed worthy of being on the list. Make sense?
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Leckomaniac on Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:50 am

So...

I did some soul searching and put together a list. It isn't complete, as there are TONS I haven't read, and I am really disappointed by the small number of indies on this list. That is my fault. This list represents what I like, it is a reflection of my tastes. Will update with a description as I get the time, but for now enjoy the top 10...

#1: All-Star Superman - The greatest Super Hero of all time has never been better. My favorite Superman story of all time. My favorite comic of the decade.

#2: Y: The Last Man - Superbly crafted, expertly paced, and offering one of the most satisfying conclusions I have ever witnessed. The last issue of this series stands as one of my favorite single issues of all time.

#3: Blankets - Stories about brothers hit me particularly hard. This has some of the best brotherly interaction you can ever find. Add in the surreal art and the poignant life observations and this auto-biography stands tall as some of the best literature of the decade. Not just one of the best comics. Also, it is one of two books on this list that opened my eyes to what comics could be.

#4: Superman: Secret Identity - Tied with WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE MAN OF TOMORROW as my second favorite Superman story ever. The art stuns, the essence of Superman is perfectly distilled, and the sentiment tugs at all the necessary heartstrings.

#5: Scott Pilgrim - A unique adventure, which thrills and has turned surprisingly poignant. The conclusion is unreleased and will lie outside of this list, but for five volumes Scott Pilgrim has delivered on multiple levels.

#6: Local - The comic that blew open the medium for me. Along with Blankets, LOCAL showed me that comic books could be removed fully from superheroes, genre, etc. Ryan Kelly impresses with multiple locales and Brian Wood shows a remarkable grasp of the human condition.

#7:Final Crisis (+ Superman Beyond) - The best event comic in a decade that produced them annually. The inconsistency of the art works against it, but the story overcomes it and delivers in huge and satisfying ways.

#8: Astonishing X-Men - Joss Whedon writing X-Men. It was perfect. John Cassaday's art popped. This was cinematic comic book storytelling at it's finest. The empowering of Kitty Pride and Wolverine drinking beer and turning aristocratic are just a few of the many, many thrills in this book.

#9: Runaways - The perfect premise. A pitch to end all pitches. What if your parents were super villains? Brian K. Vaughan is a staple on this list for a reason. With Runaways he channels his inner Joss Whedon, but doesn't mimic him. Issue #18 of the first volume stands as one of my favorite single issues.

#10 :Ex Machina - The last of the BKV books on this list. The premise knocks your socks off. It really does. The politics are sharp, the story is engaging, and Tony Harris simply sizzles. A conclusion rapidly approaches, but regardless of how it ends this book delivered the goods in this decade.

#11: Fables
#12: Silver Surfer: Requiem
#13: Phonogram
#14: Nightly News
#15: The Killer
#16: 52
#17: DMZ
#18: Umbrella Academy
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Pacino86845 on Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:27 pm

Cool list Lecko, I will look into getting the Astonishing X-Men, it had better be good!! :D
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby BuckyO'harre on Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:23 pm

Pacino86845 wrote:Cool list Lecko, I will look into getting the Astonishing X-Men, it had better be good!! :D


Try before you buy FTW!

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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby thomasgaffney on Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:25 pm

BuckyO'harre wrote:
Pacino86845 wrote:Cool list Lecko, I will look into getting the Astonishing X-Men, it had better be good!! :D


Try before you buy FTW!



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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Leckomaniac on Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:39 am

Pacino86845 wrote:Cool list Lecko, I will look into getting the Astonishing X-Men, it had better be good!! :D


It is!

Although, by now it's big "reveal" has probably been spoiled for you. But this will make you love Kitty Pride. And Beast. And Wolverine...even more than people liked him before.

...and Cyclops, too.


Yeah, it is just awesome.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Al Shut on Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:29 pm

Leckomaniac wrote:#9: Runaways - Issue #18 of the first volume stands as one of my favorite single issues.


I was going to protest heftly but the resolution of the whole mole thing was one ot two issues before that, right? I really didn't like that.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Leckomaniac on Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:52 pm

Al Shut wrote:
Leckomaniac wrote:#9: Runaways - Issue #18 of the first volume stands as one of my favorite single issues.


I was going to protest heftly but the resolution of the whole mole thing was one ot two issues before that, right? I really didn't like that.


Issue #18 of the first series is basically the coda to the first story. The RUNAWAYS are sent to live in foster homes after they defeat their parents[/SPOILER and the gather together for one last mission.

The end, with the [SPOILER]James Dean quote
really hits it home for me. It is really similar to his ending for Y: The Last Man, in some respects.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Pacino86845 on Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:49 pm

Nothing has been spoiled for me, I keep away from the big two like they were the bastard children of the plague and ebola.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby DennisMM on Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:29 pm

The big two have produced some wonderful things in the past ten years, along with all their crap. And where do you cut off the "majors" anymore? Does Image make the big three? Does Dark Horse make the big four? Plenty of crap all around from them, smaller publishers and tiny little imprints no one ever heard of.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Leckomaniac on Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:58 pm

DennisMM wrote:The big two have produced some wonderful things in the past ten years, along with all their crap. And where do you cut off the "majors" anymore? Does Image make the big three? Does Dark Horse make the big four? Plenty of crap all around from them, smaller publishers and tiny little imprints no one ever heard of.


For my money, IMAGE has been recruiting the best new talent (Hickman, Kirkman, and Fraction just in this decade!) but I really dig Archaia and D+Q publisher wise. They just have no consistency in shipping schedule.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Pacino86845 on Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:39 am

I made no comment as to the quality of books from the big two, just that I have been avoiding them: mainly it has been a question of personal finances.

But to answer your question, Valiant is the third big. :D
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Postby DennisMM on Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:32 am

You ebola comment suggested a problem with quality. As opposed to, say, a rampaging rhino, which is how Marvel strikes me. Not intrinsically bad, just threatening.

Valiant? I see your Valiant and raise you ...

*looks up* ... can you raise any higher than Jim Shooter's misshapen skull?
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Postby Pacino86845 on Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:26 pm

I guess I meant like a wallet-ebola, or something...

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Postby Leckomaniac on Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:29 pm

Speaking of Jim Shooter, check out this really interesting story about his involvement in the lawsuit against DC regarding Flex Mentallo.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Pacino86845 on Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:11 pm

I guess this is the most suitable thread for what I wanna say:

Have just finished reading Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men.

Now, perhaps a H@rryesque disclaimer to begin with: I was rather unversed in Whedon-related things, mainly because I only knew of his TV work and quite frankly none of it ever appealed to me. Still, none of it does, I still hold that prejudice.

Then I started reading Astonishing X-Men.

It's about an extremely pared-down version of the team, not necessarily including the most interesting characters: Cyclops, Wolverine, Beast, Kitty Pryde, and Emma Frost!? I guess something had happened in the main continuity to some of the other members, but you don't need to know anything going into the book.

None of the main villains are around either, instead we start off with a plot revolving around a "mutant cure," and some really strong alien muscle-head to jazz things up a little.

Even Xavier's not around in this story.

So I kinda had my eyebrows raised a bit, I thought how weak this book must have seemed to the people who were following it at the beginning.

A lot of talking, only very few X-Men, and no recognizable villains!

It must have seemed really crazy!

And yet bold.

I had the praise toward the book swimming in my mind, but many times before I'd been disappointed by widely-praised stories, the more modern ones at least.

I was already a fan of Cassaday's style, so there was no problem with the artwork. But from the outset there's something about Whedon's writing, something pretty delicate that just sort of hooks you in subtly that you know you're not going to be disappointed.

Then, fast forward to the end, and OH MY FUCK THIS BOOK IS AMAZING! I could go on and on about how well-crafted the story is, how effectively Whedon managed to really create characterizations in the comic form, how effortlessly he ties together wild plot-twists and a nice mix of high-concept ideas; all of it blended into one extremely satisfying and ENTERTAINING reading experience.

Wow.
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Postby Leckomaniac on Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:06 am

Whedon did such a great job capturing the characters. Kitty Pride taking on the Wolverine role against the Hellfire Club. Wolverine turning into a regal British dude and then being cured...by beer. Beast's awesome contingency plans for if he ever turned feral (a ball of string! HA!)

Yeah, that shit is awesome!
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Seppuku on Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:14 am

I thought Whedon's take on Runaways was kinda humdrum compared to Vaughan, which is funny considering BKV was obviously channeling Whedon when he started the series. I guess I'm willing to give this an issue or two to hook me if it's as good as you say it is, though.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Pacino86845 on Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:24 am

See, while I thought Runaways was pretty good, I was not overly impressed by it. I'd read the first arc, which I think is supposed to be the best one, but at the end of it I was like "OMG WTF why does everyone love this so much?"

But I agree that Vaughan is a terrific comics writer, and I do think he deserves the praise he's received. I even got a little turned off by Ex Machina after reading the first few trades. The story, while well-written, just didn't compel me that much. Tony Harris is amazing though, that's for sure.

Y the Last Man is probably Vaughan's best work, though I've only read the first two hardcovers so far. After that comes Pride of Baghdad, an awesome OGN.
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Re: Best Comic Books of the '00s

Postby Al Shut on Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:36 am

Pacino86845 wrote: Tony Harris is amazing though, that's for sure.


Not so sure about that. I still have issue with the gesturing, pulls him down to pretty good in my opinion.
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