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Postby athenabodicea on Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:25 pm

This is for T... I have never read Swan Song but have heard alot of people say it is a great book... Tell me about it and who should be cast for the main roles...
Also your thoughts on Gunslinger.. I only read the 1st 2.... Long ago....
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Postby tfactor on Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:43 pm

thanks athena! swan song is about life after a nuclear war, it's kinda of like The Stand but nuclear war instead of disease. The planet is all dark and survivors scramble for food and such. But like the stand it has two groups that form (one evil the other good) and swan (a special little girl - who becomes hope for mankinds future existance on this dark planet) is just a girl but ends up being the modern savvier of all that is good, pure and righteous.

she writes her name on a apple tree that was dieing because of the lack of sunlight, the tree later on regains it's health because of Swan's touch. That's just an example of how she effects the new world, but the whole story was amazing. Honestly my favorite book ever. has anyone else read it?
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Postby John-Locke on Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:45 pm

Yeah Swan Song sound interesting.

I'd love to see the Dark Tower done as a HBO Series, 1 season for each book (But then what would you do about Jake aging), Finish the books Athena, there is some great stuff in the later books.
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Postby tfactor on Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:55 pm

yeah but be warned there is death in those Dark Tower books as well, kinda like potter's ootp and hbp. I've only read up to wizard and glass because I heard he starts offing some key characters. But getting off the train, man I remember waiting forever for Wizard and Glass, not knowing how they would out riddle that evil f'ing train, man that sucked. Then after I read how they got off I waited until the other books were released to make sure I wasn't going to be left hanging again. But knowing what I do about who kicks the bucket, I'm hesitant ...I heard the ending sucked really badly!
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Postby athenabodicea on Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:03 pm

Swan song sounds really good.... I love those apocalyptic type movies....

I read War of the Worlds way long ago but haven't seen that... I'm always afraid to see movies that I have read the books first because they are rarely as good as the books (good thread idea)

Re:Dark Tower.... I really need to finish but that would require me starting all over.... I really miss reading... I need to put time aside to do it I guess...
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Postby John-Locke on Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:03 pm

Okay I must admit I stopped reading half way through Song of Suzanna (sp?) because I didn't want the journey to ever end, I'll finish them off when I'm an old man, or if they ever get made into a film/TV/Animation.
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Postby tfactor on Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:13 pm

john trust that you are not alone there bro!

I don't want to ruin it but did you hear about who dies & how it ends? My mother and brother read all the books and said simply "the ending will either make you cry or make you angry" I've yet to find someone that says "the ending was good" and like yourself I don't want it to end. But rather just let my imagination handle the journey from here.

Swan Song, on the other hand had an absolutely amazing ending. I would dare call it perfect even. It's a long book but a quick read, and I truly hope someone picks it up for a movie or tv series. It would be a great project for P. Jackson I think.
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Postby Flumm on Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:19 pm

This Swan Song thing is going on my to read list, I just checked amazon quickly, and it seems as if it's really popular, yet out of print... looks like it's one of these things I'll have to look out for in the second hand book shops...
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Postby tfactor on Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:25 pm

here flum, try this:
http://www.robertmccammon.com/novels.html

you should be able to get a copy there, including UK distributors
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Postby Flumm on Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:40 pm

cheers t mate, I'm gonna have to give my favourite 2nd hand book store a chance first, but I've noted the link. So cheers!

While idling about through Amazong though, I noticed something called...

A Game of Thrones (A Song of Ice and Fire, Book 1) by George R.R. Martin.

Anyone heard of this series? Just reading up on them, and the reviews are about as rave and enthusiastic as it gets. I haven't really read much of the fantasy genre... but this is a quote from the offical amazon review...

"A Game of Thrones begins the most imaginative, ambitious and compelling fantasy epic since The Lord of the Rings. Thronged with memorable characters, it unfolds with astonishing skill a tale of truly epic dimensions. There have been many pretenders to the throne of Tolkien: now at last he has a true heir."

Sounds interesting no?
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Postby athenabodicea on Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:43 pm

Tolkien....
Those are some big words and some big shoes to fill...
I wouldn't go into anything with those expectations...
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Postby tfactor on Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:53 pm

athena's right flum. I remember a movie that was about a magical ring (miracle max and the magic ring maybe) that came out right about the same time as LOTR, and it claimed to be similar to JRRT's work but it was this ultra cheesy wanna be version with horrible special effects and even worse acting. Many books have used the genre of LOTR as a reference but very few exceed low expectations and quality. Though I have to admit flum you got me sitting up in my chair a little straighter.

I'll get caught up with the books I want to read as soon as I figure out how to replicate myself, so I can have one of me read while the other works, or one of me play while the other works.... you get the point. Kinda like multiplicity with micheal keaton
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Postby Flumm on Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:01 pm

I see what your saying guys, but I'm gonna throw this at ya...

"I have read extensive fantasy fiction (Tolkien, Jordan, Goodkind, Pratchett, Hobb, Eddings) and and these are by far the most enjoyable books out there - superb in every aspect. After book 1 you'll be thanking your lucky stars that he wrote 5!"

Is there anything better than picking up a book, absoloutely loving it, and realising you have hundreds of pages to go? I'm not gonna buy anything on a whim, but it just kinda reminded my that my readings abouts of late have been very dry, too many biographies or dense, over written life novels. I need me some cheese, and I don't mean Chedder.
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Postby athenabodicea on Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:05 pm

tfactor wrote:athena's right flum. I remember a movie that was about a magical ring (miracle max and the magic ring maybe) that came out right about the same time as LOTR, and it claimed to be similar to JRRT's work but it was this ultra cheesy wanna be version with horrible special effects and even worse acting. Many books have used the genre of LOTR as a reference but very few exceed low expectations and quality. Though I have to admit flum you got me sitting up in my chair a little straighter.

I'll get caught up with the books I want to read as soon as I figure out how to replicate myself, so I can have one of me read while the other works, or one of me play while the other works.... you get the point. Kinda like multiplicity with micheal keaton


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Postby athenabodicea on Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:08 pm

Flumm wrote:I see what your saying guys, but I'm gonna throw this at ya...

"I have read extensive fantasy fiction (Tolkien, Jordan, Goodkind, Pratchett, Hobb, Eddings) and and these are by far the most enjoyable books out there - superb in every aspect. After book 1 you'll be thanking your lucky stars that he wrote 5!"



Who's quote is that???
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Postby Flumm on Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:11 pm

Some Joe Schmoe from Amazon UK...

Some Joe Schmoe from Amazon UK.!
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Postby athenabodicea on Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:16 pm

Flumm wrote:Some Joe Schmoe from Amazon UK...

Some Joe Schmoe from Amazon UK.!



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Postby DennisMM on Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:21 pm

The Iron Dream by Norman Spinrad. It would have to be a movie within a movie, though.

The core of the book is a "novel," is basically a recasting of Aryan race/religious warfare as fantasy/sf. The Jews/blacks are mutants of various sorts, some the lowest of the low, others with mental powers that allow them to dominate humans. A lone warrior, of pure heritage but born outside the f@therland (ETA: fucking filter) travels to the home of true men and rallies the people against the forces of darkness. Lots of typical thud and blunder hack sf stuff, third rate at most.

Deliberately so, because the background is that the novel, "Lord of the Swastika," was written by Hitler in the late '50s. When the beer hall putsch failed, the Nazis disbanded and Adolf, tired of politics, became a writer of bad sf. He moved to the USA in the '30s and continued to write bad sf, complicated even more by his poor English. His imagery and philosophy, though, inspired costumes and even small political clubs.

We learn at book's end, in an essay on Hitler, that since the Nazis were not there to rally the German people, Marxist/Leninist socialism swept through Europe and Asia and is held in check mainly by the Japanese and a few hardline First World nations.
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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:32 pm

DennisMM wrote:The Iron Dream by Norman Spinrad.


Kinda like the book within a book of Dick's The Man in the High Castle, no? Sounds pretty good.
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Postby athenabodicea on Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:33 pm

Dennis... That actually sounds like the movie would be better than the book... (if that makes sense)
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Postby Quint on Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:57 pm

tfactor,

I think once you get over the knee-jerk emotion of the Dark Tower's ending, you'll realize it's not only good, but the only ending that could work.

My only disappointment is in the lead-up to the ending of the book. I do have to say that I cried... a lot... during book 7. And I don't cry at movies and never when reading.

I know some of you folks don't want the journey to end, but minus about a 40 page lull around the 3/4 mark, The Dark Tower is some of the best writing King has ever done.

But that's from a hardcore DT junkie.
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Postby John-Locke on Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:01 pm

How would you like to see the DT on the Screen Quint? A series of Films, A HBO Style TV Series or an Animation?
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Postby Quint on Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:06 pm

PS Regarding The Talisman...

I read Ehren Kruger's Talisman script and it's a goddamn miracle that project is dead right now. Kruger's take was abysmal. Imagine if Jake had the talisman on him the whole time... imagine if they cut 99% of the flipping between worlds. Imagine if they took almost every scene between jack and wolf out and instead had a werewolf chase on a train.

It was godawful.

And before Ed Zwick was in the director's seat, they had HOUSE OF SAND AND FOG's Vadim Perelman onboard. I met him at a festival when he was on the Academy Award whoring circuit and talked to him about the project... and he said he planning on cutting the entire Gardner home sequence for ratings reasons...

I think a brilliant movie could be made out of Talisman, a hard PG-13 with a harder director's cut later. It just has to be in the right hands. I'd love to see Alfonso Cuaron or Guillermo del Toro do it.

That's enough ranting from me...
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Postby Quint on Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:17 pm

I think Dark Tower would be a brilliant series. A part of me wishes a studio would put up a billion dollars and fund the whole series for theatrical distribution, with Wizard & Glass and The Dark Tower being split up into two volumes. Wolves of the Calla is great, but there's so much studly on the book, you could make a good 3 hour flick out of it.

That's a perfect world.

I think an HBO series would be great, but I want it live action. I think an animated Dark Tower could be good, but a live action Dark Tower could be brilliant.

It all depends. The series needs someone brilliant behind it. I know a few people in the industry that are going after it and they've told me their plans and there could be a great series out made.

But I don't think you could do it one book per season. Gunslinger just won't stretch out to one whole season of 10 plus hours... even if you included The Little Sister of Eluria.

Okay, I didn't get any sleep last night, so that all probably makes no sense, but there you go.
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Postby tfactor on Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:21 pm

quint, thanks for the positive feedback my mother and brother also said they cried, I thought they were kidding but it appears they were not.

How about Swan Song? anything possibly in the works? I remember that a mccammon book was being made into a movie but not Swan Song. was it Mine or boys life?

also quint why so few total posts? under your name is says AICN crew but maybe it should read glib or perhaps primitive screwhead :) ya big newby you

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Postby Flumm on Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:25 pm

What's King's innvolvement with things these days? Was it was one of you're articles Quint, when it was reported that he's releasing a sort of compact novel ( as apposed to an epic), and that he's somewhat moved on from standard novel writing? Considering the amount of King's material brought to screen already, does he have any involvement with these things, espically now he's trying other things with his career?
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Postby tfactor on Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:25 pm

two more posts and goodbye primitive screwhead, hello ..... er um .... whatever's next? lol I'm such an idiot sometimes, what's next? guess I'll find out next post

you can stop reading this now, move along, nothing to see here
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Postby Flumm on Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:30 pm

Go to the main page trev, and check Rules, then Rankings... things might become a little clearer then...
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Postby John-Locke on Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:33 pm

Thanks Quint, you can PM me with any rumors you can't divulge in public regarding the DT (If you don't mind, if you have the time), but what is The Little Sister of Eluria? I can't remember that in The Gunslinger, was it from the original Book, I've read the updated version.
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Postby Quint on Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:34 pm

King is still publishing with the big boys, but he's not just writing shit to write it. If he likes it, he'll publish it. At least that's the way I understand it. He's got Cell coming out next February (sounds like a crappy storyline, but I'm told by friends in the publishing world that the word is it's the best King in a long while... it's about people turning into zombies because of Cell phones sending signals through their brains) and next October-ish he's got one called Lisey's Story.

Plus there's a special edition hardcover of The Gunslinger with new Michael Whelan artwork and the inclusion of The Little Sisters of Eluria.

The novel he just put out is The Colorado Kid, a pulpy just-longer-than-novella book he released through a very small company just to be cool and help out.

If DT ever happens, he'll have some sort of creative control. I don't know about the rest. I'm sure he has no say in that shitty remake of IT that's going on right now... you heard about that? Taking an 800 page novel and turning into a 2 hour TV movie... all told from the point of view of Beverly Marsh? From the writers of that shitty Salem's Lot Rob Lowe mini-series. sigh...
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Postby Quint on Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:35 pm

Locke, The Little Sisters of Eluria is a short story in Everything's Eventual. It's a prequel to Gunslinger with Roland running into a bunch of female vampires. Good stuff.
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Postby Flumm on Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:39 pm

That's interesting actually. I always wonder how a writer takes to his projects being developed. Especially since King has been adapted for so long, and by so many people, it's intruiging to see if he still has the stamina and optimism to trust people with his work...
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Postby John-Locke on Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:41 pm

Ah yes, my friend told me there was a Gunslinger Short Story in another book, I guess I'll buy the Hardback when it comes out.

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Postby tfactor on Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:49 pm

I've read everythings eventual and didn't remember it until you just mentioned it. That was a cool short story, but you're so right about the gunslinger not being enough in and of itself to be a movie, or a full season.

the glass onion, michael whelan's website, I worked for the company that built his site and I went to a halloween party once where MW was dressed as a vampire. Really nice guy, though a bit eccentric but that's what makes him so cool. He's a highly talented artist alright, with an exceptional background. He's actually pretty tight with King
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Postby wonkabar on Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:50 pm

Quint wrote:PS Regarding The Talisman...

I read Ehren Kruger's Talisman script and it's a goddamn miracle that project is dead right now. Kruger's take was abysmal. Imagine if Jake had the talisman on him the whole time... imagine if they cut 99% of the flipping between worlds. Imagine if they took almost every scene between jack and wolf out and instead had a werewolf chase on a train.

It was godawful.

And before Ed Zwick was in the director's seat, they had HOUSE OF SAND AND FOG's Vadim Perelman onboard. I met him at a festival when he was on the Academy Award whoring circuit and talked to him about the project... and he said he planning on cutting the entire Gardner home sequence for ratings reasons...

I think a brilliant movie could be made out of Talisman, a hard PG-13 with a harder director's cut later. It just has to be in the right hands. I'd love to see Alfonso Cuaron or Guillermo del Toro do it.

That's enough ranting from me...

Sounds like a damn good thing Favs ditched the Kruger script for Carter. It seems he was doing the same thing in that case as well. Why bother adapting something if you're gonna throw out 99% of what makes it cool?
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Postby bluebottle on Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:08 pm

Quint wrote:I'm sure he has no say in that shitty remake of IT that's going on right now... you heard about that? Taking an 800 page novel and turning into a 2 hour TV movie... all told from the point of view of Beverly Marsh?


Wow.

That's the first i've heard of it, and that's incredibly depressing.

The 4 hour miniseries was flawed, but it wasn't bad. I actually think it's one of the better King TV adaptations.

(i hated the stand, but imho they should have never made it... some things are best left untouched)
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Postby Eric G on Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:14 pm

The Man in the High Castle

It's America in 1962. Slavery is legal once again. the few Jews who still survive hide under assumed names. In San Francisco the I Ching is as common as the Yellow Pages. All because some 20 years earlier the United States lost a war--and is now occupied jointly by Nazi Germany and Japan.

This harrowing, Hugo Award-winning novel is the work that established Philip K. Dick as an innovator in science fiction while breaking the barrier between science fiction and the serious novel of ideas. In it Dick offers a haunting vision of history as a nightmare from which it may just be possible to awake.


Yeah..... I like.

EDIT: Just read a post on another thread that triggered my memory.....maybe this has been mention as I read Stephen King's name in this thread already, but WHEN IS SOMEONE GOING TO ADAPT THE GUNSLINGER SERIES!?!?!?
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Postby DennisMM on Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:35 am

athenabodicea wrote:Dennis... That actually sounds like the movie would be better than the book... (if that makes sense)


Structuring the movie, as I said, would be difficult. You'd have to present Hitler's "Lord of the Swastika" either as a separate visual experience, with a distinctive style. I suppose it could be done through a discussion of Hitler's book by characters in the primary story, perhaps in an academic setting, perhaps by screenwriter(s) working with the book. In either case, you'd need very different styles of filmmaking for the two stories. Two separate directors might be good.
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Postby Man-in-the-Box on Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:19 pm

Ok, I'll say it, since Pacino doesn't have the balls.

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Postby Pacino86845 on Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:23 pm

Double IPAMPILASH, MITB!!!! Dino, come up with something bigger than IPAMPILASH because I just spat on my desk!!!!!
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Postby Man-in-the-Box on Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:28 pm

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Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:38 pm

That'll do, eh?
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Postby Pacino86845 on Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:57 pm

ISOMDILASH!!! I like it!
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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:39 pm

man, when I first read that on another thread I thought it was

I Shit On My Dick I Laugh a So Hard.
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Postby TonyWilson on Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:42 pm

Anyone read Ellroys "The Cold Six Thousand"? It's a secret history of the US from the Kennedy assasination onwards. It's a HUGE novel so may work better as a TV series. Either way would make an amazing and controversial piece. I'd like to see someone like Soderbergh tackle it.
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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:58 pm

would you stop recommending books for me to read?

Cloud Atlas is due back to the library in 2 days and I haven't even started it yet!

It's all Bluebottle's fault for making me read Good Omens first.
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Postby TonyWilson on Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:03 pm

Damn it kcbc, I mean Good Omens is great but Cloud Atlas should have won the booker prize. You'll never get through The Cold Six Thousand without renewing it at least once OR staying up reading solidly for 4 days. I'd recommend some eye drops for that though.

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Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:05 am

keepcoolbutcare wrote:man, when I first read that on another thread I thought it was

I Shit On My Dick I Laugh a So Hard.


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Postby Nerfherder on Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:45 am

ELRIC OF FUCKING MELNIBONE. nuff said
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Postby Carolian on Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:12 pm

I think that THE LONG WALk, one of King's books written as Richard Bachman, would make a hell of a film. Another one I've thought a lot about is STARFISH, by Peter Watts. What a cynical, cynical sci-fi novel.
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