September 07 BotM Thread - WORLD WAR Z!!!

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WWZ - "great war," or another 'Nam?

BRAINS!
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September 07 BotM Thread - WORLD WAR Z!!!

Postby Adam Balm on Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:14 am

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So here we go.

Post your thoughts and comments below, keeping in mind the ground rules:

1) Spoilers. Assume spoilers before setting foot in this thread. However, we'll do our best to keep that to a minimum for the first three weeks of the month. After that, anything goes. Until then, all spoilery material will be tiny texted.

2) Courtesy. Don't get carried away. This is a discussion, not a debate or an argument. Anyone who gets out of line, Maui will make stand in the corner. (But the trick is that it'll be in a cornerless circular room which will send you into an endless recursive loop until madness sets in.)

As mentioned, free discussion will begin in the third week of the month, or when most participants have finished (whichever comes first.). And at the end of the month there will be a poll to see how The Zone rates this book.


DISCUSS!!!!!!!
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Re: The September Book of the Month thread! WORLD WAR Z!!!!

Postby Maui on Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:57 am

Adam Balm wrote:
Anyone who gets out of line, Maui will make stand in the corner. (But the trick is that it'll be in a cornerless circular room which will send you into an endless recursive loop until madness sets in.)


Are the walls bright pink? I hear that makes people pass out after 15 minutes.

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Re: The September Book of the Month thread! WORLD WAR Z!!!!

Postby The Todd on Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:03 am

Adam Balm wrote:Anyone who gets out of line, Maui will make stand in the corner.


There's room for everyone!

I get so lonely in the corner.....
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Postby havocSchultz on Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:04 am

That's me in the corner...













































Oh no...I've said too much...
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Re: The September Book of the Month thread! WORLD WAR Z!!!!

Postby minstrel on Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:07 am

Adam Balm wrote:2) Courtesy. Don't get carried away. This is a discussion, not a debate or an argument. Anyone who gets out of line, Maui will make stand in the corner. (But the trick is that it'll be in a cornerless circular room which will send you into an endless recursive loop until madness sets in.)


EEEEP! I haven't read one word of this book yet, but I'm already cringing. I thrive on debate and argument. Can't we do even a bit of that? You make it sound like we're not allowed to disagree.

If there were any complaints about the way I commented in the Ender's Game thread, I wish someone would have told me. I realize I was being contrarian, but I wasn't aware that I'd crossed any lines.

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Postby Maui on Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:07 am

Hey this is the book forum, where the refined folks hang out.

Havoc, leave at once!

Or better yet, go to the corner.
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Postby The Todd on Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:08 am

Maui wrote:Hey this is the book forum, where the refined folks hang out.

Havoc, leave at once!

Or better yet, go to Vancouver.


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Postby havocSchultz on Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:09 am

Maui wrote:Hey this is the book forum, where the refined folks hang out.


But you and Todd posted in here...
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Postby TheBaxter on Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:09 am

i read this book about a month or two ago, it was pretty awesome.
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Re: The September Book of the Month thread! WORLD WAR Z!!!!

Postby Maui on Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:12 am

minstrel wrote:
Someone tell me this time if I'm being a shit, OK?


No, you weren't being an excrement disturber. ;)

Thanks to you, we had further discussions on the book. You raised many valid points. Some that I agreed on.

No worries.
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Postby Maui on Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:13 am

The Todd wrote:
Maui wrote:Hey this is the book forum, where the refined folks hang out.

Havoc, leave at once!

Or better yet, go to Vancouver.


You tell him!



hey hey hey, quit changing what I'm writing!!! If Havoc goes to Vancouver, our city won't be #1 anymore.

You do realize we are destroying Adam's book thread. Stop at once! :twisted:
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Re: The September Book of the Month thread! WORLD WAR Z!!!!

Postby minstrel on Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:13 am

Maui wrote:
minstrel wrote:
Someone tell me this time if I'm being a shit, OK?


No, you weren't being an excrement disturber. ;)

Thanks to you, we had further discussions on the book. You raised many valid points. Some that I agreed on.

No worries.


Thanks. I got worried when Adam said we weren't allowed to debate or argue.

Sigh.

I feel better now. I'm gonna hunt down a copy of this book tomorrow, between beers, and start reading it.
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Postby BuckyO'harre on Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:14 am

I set it up





That’s me in the corner


That’s me in the spotlight



Losing my religion
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DAMN YOU! You know I have an insatiable urge to finish lyrics!

*shakes fist at havoc*


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Re: The September Book of the Month thread! WORLD WAR Z!!!!

Postby Maui on Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:19 am

minstrel wrote:
Thanks. I got worried when Adam said we weren't allowed to debate or argue.


Yeah, he just means no pissing matches. Which we didn't have in Ender's Game.

I still feel there's more to discuss on Ender's. We just touched a few areas. Even though we all had issues with certain areas of the book, I'd still like to see what everyone's favourite part of the book was.
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Postby Vegeta on Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:28 am

Excellent book, and enjoyable read. Basically you get a nice overview of the best and worst in human decision making.
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Re: The September Book of the Month thread! WORLD WAR Z!!!!

Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:32 am

Adam Balm wrote:Courtesy. Don't get carried away. This is a discussion, not a debate or an argument. Anyone who gets out of line, Maui will make stand in the corner.


fuck you you simpering cur...
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Re: The September Book of the Month thread! WORLD WAR Z!!!!

Postby Maui on Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:35 am

Keepcoolbutcare wrote:
Adam Balm wrote:Courtesy. Don't get carried away. This is a discussion, not a debate or an argument. Anyone who gets out of line, Maui will make stand in the corner.


fuck you you simpering cur...



Nothing like getting to the point. hahah!
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Re: The September Book of the Month thread! WORLD WAR Z!!!!

Postby minstrel on Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:12 am

Maui wrote:
Keepcoolbutcare wrote:
Adam Balm wrote:Courtesy. Don't get carried away. This is a discussion, not a debate or an argument. Anyone who gets out of line, Maui will make stand in the corner.


fuck you you simpering cur...



Nothing like getting to the point. hahah!


Well, I'm a bit more diplomatic than THAT ...

... but I'm Canadian, so I guess I'm a wuss.
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Re: The September Book of the Month thread! WORLD WAR Z!!!!

Postby Adam Balm on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:13 pm

minstrel wrote:
Adam Balm wrote:2) Courtesy. Don't get carried away. This is a discussion, not a debate or an argument. Anyone who gets out of line, Maui will make stand in the corner. (But the trick is that it'll be in a cornerless circular room which will send you into an endless recursive loop until madness sets in.)


EEEEP! I haven't read one word of this book yet, but I'm already cringing. I thrive on debate and argument. Can't we do even a bit of that? You make it sound like we're not allowed to disagree.

If there were any complaints about the way I commented in the Ender's Game thread, I wish someone would have told me. I realize I was being contrarian, but I wasn't aware that I'd crossed any lines.

Someone tell me this time if I'm being a shit, OK?


Sorry, I didn't mean you specifically. I don't think you're ever 'being a shit' and you didn't cross any lines at all. I just put it in there so people don't get carried away. It wasn't how you responded to the book (which, as said above, was completely valid and your points were well thought out), it was that sometimes people arguing can feed off each other in a kind of asshole arms race. It was mostly that Ender's Game is just a polarizing book in general, but towards the end the month, it just seemed that a lot of people were basically just restating their opinion over and over, just with an angrier tone and to me that's not a discussion, because it's not moving the conversation forward. That's kind of why I sat things out in the end.

So no, I'm not saying "omg everyone walk on egg shells so we don't piss each other off!", I'm just saying let's make sure we don't end up just spinning our wheels and making each other more irritated. If that makes any sense. It probably doesn't. So everyone just ignore what I said, carry on, and if we get to that point, then let's remember not to get bogged down or upset.

I think we're going to be fine anyway, since World War Z isn't exactly the weightiest or most controversial of books.

That cool? What do you guys think?
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Postby minstrel on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:16 pm

Thanks for clarifying, Adam.

Just out of interest, how many of you guys have already read World War Z? I mean, before it was suggested for the Club.
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Postby DennisMM on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:21 pm

I read it in July and enjoyed it a good deal, based solely on Zoner recommendations in the WWZ thread.
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Postby Adam Balm on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:23 pm

I just picked it up, myself. Sadly though I'm going to have to audiobook it like a couple others are doing. I can't believe how swamped I am right now.... :oops:
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Postby bluebottle on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:27 pm

Adam Balm wrote:I just picked it up, myself. Sadly though I'm going to have to audiobook it like a couple others are doing. I can't believe how swamped I am right now.... :oops:


The friends I have that have read the book AND listened to the audio book say that the audio book is more enjoyable.

Probably the exception to the rule.
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Postby so sorry on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:38 pm

Adam Balm wrote:I just picked it up, myself. Sadly though I'm going to have to audiobook it like a couple others are doing. I can't believe how swamped I am right now.... :oops:


Adam, I have a feeling that an avid reader like yourself can blow through WWZ in very little time.
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Postby bluebottle on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:52 pm

That's true. Adam doesn't like to brag but he read all SEVEN Harry Potter books in a day.
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Postby DennisMM on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:54 pm

I just can't audiobook. My aural comprehension skills are high, but not being able to flip back in the book if I want to clarify something limits the usefulness. Also, they take too bloody long.
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Postby bluebottle on Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:12 pm

I think they did something a little different with this one though:

Zombies are among us. In a series of journalistic-style interviews and monologues, Max Brooks tracks the institutional and geopolitical missteps that led to the collapse of civilization and follows the intrepid survivors as they tell the story of fighting their way back against a zombie horde of 200 million. Alan Alda, Carl Reiner, Mark Hamill, and a host of others lend their considerable vocal talents to give these interviews a solid realism. China secretly developed a deadly virus. Israel closed its borders. Cuba plotted. And in the United States the Battle of Yonkers was a devastating rout for the U.S. Army. It's all very much in the grand tradition of War of the Worlds
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Postby Adam Balm on Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:38 pm

DennisMM wrote:I just can't audiobook. My aural comprehension skills are high, but not being able to flip back in the book if I want to clarify something limits the usefulness. Also, they take too bloody long.


Oh man, welcome to my world. You should see my Ancestor review. Worst book review ever. EV4R. I got more things wrong than Rob Zombie's Halloween.
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:42 pm

I jumped ahead and did the audiobook last weekend while I was traveling, I thought it was a lot of fun...great cast too.

I'm still gonna read it though...
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Postby bluebottle on Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:02 pm

Adam Balm wrote:
DennisMM wrote:I just can't audiobook. My aural comprehension skills are high, but not being able to flip back in the book if I want to clarify something limits the usefulness. Also, they take too bloody long.


Oh man, welcome to my world. You should see my Ancestor review. Worst book review ever. EV4R. I got more things wrong than Rob Zombie's Halloween.


OH SNAP!

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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:06 pm

Bluebottle wrote:
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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Postby Adam Balm on Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:10 pm

I need to find that pic...
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:14 pm

heheheh, there we go, Scary Naked Vampire Santa.

sorry, Adam, i don't know what this has to do with literature.
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Postby bluebottle on Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:17 pm

I had a tough time finding that pic... Searching through all of Moo's posts...

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Postby instant_karma on Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:15 pm

Lord Voldemoo wrote:I jumped ahead and did the audiobook last weekend while I was traveling, I thought it was a lot of fun...great cast too.

I'm still gonna read it though...


I heard the audiobook version first too. Very good adaptation with a great cast as you say (I particularly liked the Alan Alda one) but there are some great stories in the book that didn't make the audio version.

I'd be curious to find out if they did recordings of all the stories in the book. It'd be nice to hope that they might somehow leak out onto the net at some point.
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Postby Adam Balm on Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:21 pm

Yeah, I hate abridged versions but it was the only one they offered.

I guess one point of discussion can be the differences between the two, since so many are both listening to the audiobook and reading the book version.
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Postby Maui on Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:22 pm

instant_karma wrote:but there are some great stories in the book that didn't make the audio version.



What?!? That's not cool!!

Well I'm gonna get the book then as well. Do a comparison.
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:33 pm

Adam Balm wrote:Yeah, I hate abridged versions but it was the only one they offered.

I guess one point of discussion can be the differences between the two, since so many are both listening to the audiobook and reading the book version.


agreed, maybe some discussion about what did and did not make the cut.

I'm going to start the book tonight at some point.
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Postby Adam Balm on Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:35 pm

Fuck....I'm going to totally end up having to read this now.

Damnit.

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Postby The Todd on Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:02 pm

I'm about 50 pages in and I can understand why so many people chose the audiobook version. I just can't get into the whole "reporter interviewing people" narrative.

The beginning of the book has the author/narrator explain how he's going to keep himself distanced from the story and let the survivors tell their stories. It's this distancing that makes me feel disconnected from the story, where as I like to let my imagination go when I'm reading and get totally into the book.

I'll still finish it (and I might like it by the end) but I'm not digging this narrative style.
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Postby Maui on Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:34 pm

The Todd wrote:I'm about 50 pages in and I can understand why so many people chose the audiobook version. I just can't get into the whole "reporter interviewing people" narrative.

The beginning of the book has the author/narrator explain how he's going to keep himself distanced from the story and let the survivors tell their stories. It's this distancing that makes me feel disconnected from the story, where as I like to let my imagination go when I'm reading and get totally into the book.

I'll still finish it (and I might like it by the end) but I'm not digging this narrative style.



Well it's a difficult call. On one hand, you have this incredible audiobook with very talented actors lending their voices BUT some stories are missing. Then you have the book, which is written in interview style, which may prove not as stimulating to some readers BUT it has all the stories.
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Postby Adam Balm on Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:35 pm

Damnit.
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Postby Maui on Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:42 pm

Adam Balm wrote:Damnit.


Eeny, Meeny, Miny, Mo


Perhaps we should have a new rule from now on, after World War Z. No audiobooks, hinders the book club experience.
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:46 pm

Maui wrote:
Adam Balm wrote:Damnit.


Eeny, Meeny, Miny, Mo


Perhaps we should have a new rule from now on, after World War Z. No audiobooks, hinders the book club experience.


Agreed.

I haven't started the book yet but from what I know of the Audiobook I can see The Todd's point. I love...LOVE old radio dramas from the 30's and 40's...and World War Z Audio almost feels like one. It's perfect for audio/radio, which may explain how the audio book drew such a good lineup of actors for the parts.

In literary form...if the structure is the same...it could be problematic. I read a lot of non-fiction, though...a lot of history. I hope it reads like that.

More later when i'm into the book.
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Postby Adam Balm on Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:51 pm

Good idea. Sadly right now I don't have much of a choice. With what little time I have, I think my options are either do the audiobook or not participate this month.. Or I could listen to the audiobook and then read the chapters that aren't included...

Damn choices. Damnit.
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Postby Maui on Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:58 pm

Adam Balm wrote:Good idea. Sadly right now I don't have much of a choice. With what little time I have, I think my options are either do the audiobook or not participate this month.. Or I could listen to the audiobook and then read the chapters that aren't included...

Damn choices. Damnit.



Yeah, I was thinking head back to B&N with a starbucks grab the book sit in one of those comfy chairs and read the missing chapters.
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Postby The Todd on Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:20 pm

Lord Voldemoo wrote:I read a lot of non-fiction, though...a lot of history. I hope it reads like that.


It's not as good as David McCullough, I can tell you that.....
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Postby bluebottle on Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:15 am

Lord Voldemoo wrote: It's perfect for audio/radio, which may explain how the audio book drew such a good lineup of actors for the parts.


The author being Mel Brooks' son probably didn't hurt either.

OH SNAP!
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Postby DennisMM on Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:19 am

B&N had no Zombies. The computer said they had a copy, but it was not to be found. Guess I'll order from interlibrary loan again and hope it comes within a week or ten days.
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