AKIRA: Neo-Manhattan

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Should it be done? Can it be done?

Hells yes
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Hells no
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They can do it but please don't
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They can't pull it off yet, but I can't wait til they do
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Postby Confused Pete on Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:12 pm

Fawst you are so full of shit! It's clear to anyone with even the REMOTEST knowledge of modern cinema that the rather pedestrian chase in Reloaded wouldn't exist if not for Akira, along with many other scenes the W. Bros. lifted from various manga/anime works, Ghost in the Shell being another obvious source. In fact, I think it's safe to assume that...

[wets self]

Hmm?

November.
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Postby Al Shut on Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:16 pm

Better is always a matter of personal taste. And I don't think the Ws could do what I liked most about Akira.
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Postby Fawst on Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:48 pm

Confused Pete wrote:Fawst you are so full of shit! It's clear to anyone with even the REMOTEST knowledge of modern cinema that the rather pedestrian chase in Reloaded wouldn't exist if not for Akira, along with many other scenes the W. Bros. lifted from various manga/anime works, Ghost in the Shell being another obvious source. In fact, I think it's safe to assume that...

[wets self]

Hmm?

November.


Bah.

Imitation is the greatest way of giving your source the Shocker :P If they were inspired by Akira (and I'm sure they were), that's one thing. But I refuse to say that they ripped that scene off in any way. I'd sooner say they ripped off the fucking BIBLE to create their hero (which... well, they did). They are completely different scenes, with completely different motivations. A more fitting comparison for the Matrix highway is the Mines of Moria. Both ways were dangerous to the heroes, yet they chose that route because it was faster, regardless of the danger. The highway scene in Akira is really just exposition through action.

Ok, bottom line, I think the W's could make a more thrilling scene out of an already great one. Opinion piece over ;)
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Postby King Psyz on Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:13 pm

Jesus... I am frightened today and somehow this HUGE news piece escaped all of our attentions...

Itsa happenin folks

This is the most grevious paragraph from the blurb on it:
Norrington, who may write the first draft of the screenplay subject to his other commitments, said in an interview that his story "preserves the tone, the visual and the epic scope of the original whilst telling a somewhat more accessible story (to Western audiences)."


For fucks sake, someone please kill this before it goes any further. Someone hire Katsuhiro Otomo and give him a Star Wars sized budget and then I can die happy.
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Postby Fievel on Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:14 pm

Soooo.... what wasn't accessible in the original? I'm a Western Audience member, and I had no problem following it.

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Postby King Psyz on Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:17 pm

well in hollywood speak that mean remove emphisis on character and emotion. remove any kind of real intriuge witht he resitance and the corupt government. more explosions and gunfire. remove any buddhist type refrences. ect. ect. ect.
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Postby havocSchultz on Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:18 pm

King Psyz wrote: remove any buddhist type refrences.


And replace them with Scientology References...
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Postby Fievel on Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:19 pm

...and likely give him a hot cleavage-infested love interest..... not necessarily a bad thing.....
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Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:20 pm

whilst telling a somewhat more accessible story (to Western audiences)."


Hehehehe... tricked out motorcycles anna such to make it more, how you say? "rad"?
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Postby Fievel on Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:21 pm

havocSchultz wrote:
King Psyz wrote: remove any buddhist type refrences.


And replace them with Scientology References...


So they're going to blame the telekinesis on psychotropic drugs that are ruining the minds of the children of the world?

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Postby bastard_robo on Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:22 pm

King Psyz wrote:Jesus... I am frightened today and somehow this HUGE news piece escaped all of our attentions...

Itsa happenin folks

This is the most grevious paragraph from the blurb on it:
Norrington, who may write the first draft of the screenplay subject to his other commitments, said in an interview that his story "preserves the tone, the visual and the epic scope of the original whilst telling a somewhat more accessible story (to Western audiences)."


For fucks sake, someone please kill this before it goes any further. Someone hire Katsuhiro Otomo and give him a Star Wars sized budget and then I can die happy.


I though this was old news. Last reported that Norrington quit directing due to the shit he went through on LXG (the Connery masterpice!) And that AKIRA was Dead in the Water..

Though I agree, an American film version would NEVER, EVER work on this film.
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Postby Ribbons on Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:41 pm

bastard_robo wrote:I though this was old news. Last reported that Norrington quit directing due to the shit he went through on LXG (the Connery masterpice!) And that AKIRA was Dead in the Water..


Yeah, this article is a little outdated...

Norrington, repped by ICM, is readying "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen"


James Robinson and Norrington were in talks to develop Akira, but the project fell through after LXG tanked. At least, with them attached. But maybe it's still out there... somewhere...
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Postby King Psyz on Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:08 pm

I knew the article was old, but it only gave a month, no year on the article.

It's still a scary prospect just how close this property was to being completely assfucked, moreso by who was going to do the fucking.
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Postby Tubbs Tattsyrup on Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:42 pm

I thought Sony or some studio was gonna make this in the 90s but balked at the estimated budget, which was gonna be around $350 million or something.

I would hesitantly say yes to a live-action remake, but only if it's Japanese-produced.

For the moment, the original stands tall as one of the greatest animated - one of the greatest ANY - films ever.
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Postby Fawst on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:10 pm

Movement...?

Not a lot here, but Scott Green posted on the main site that WB wants to move on this before the Strike hits.

Which is good and bad. Some Irish director is attached. *shrug*

I'm disappointed that both this and Dragon Ball are going to get the rush treatment. How fucking sad that when they have all the time in the world to make a great production, they squander it, then rush to make it when their backs are against the wall. Fuckers.
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Postby King Psyz on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:57 pm

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Postby Fievel on Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:02 pm

I like the suggestion of Del Toro to direct.
Hell... any of the geek favorites would be awesome.

But at least it isn't.... Paul W.S. Anderson, Brett Ratner, Mick Garris, Stephen Sommers, Uwe Boll, McG, Brett Ratner, etc. etc.

...although that guy could end up in that list if it sucks.
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Postby Fawst on Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:05 pm

Yah, but he wasn't suggesting Del Toro for this, he was suggesting Del Toro for the development-hellbound Domu.

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Postby Al Shut on Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:11 pm

Fernando Meirelles for Akira set in Brazil
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Postby Pacino86845 on Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:48 pm

Al_Shut wrote:Fernando Meirelles for Akira set in Brazil


I'm sure he'd be fine setting it in Japan, or do you think the story would be cooler in Brazil? I don't really remember too well, but basically Akira could take place in any major, developed city, no?
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Postby papalazeru on Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:30 pm

Keanu Reeves for Kaneda.....................


































only kidding.

Without Omoto and a Production company willing to throw money at it. Trash this project.

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Postby Fawst on Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:52 pm

Pfft, unless they get the Geinoh Yamashirogumi to do the score again, then fuck it all.
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Postby Fievel on Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:28 pm

Fawst wrote:Yah, but he wasn't suggesting Del Toro for this, he was suggesting Del Toro for the development-hellbound Domu.

Neill Blomkamp for Akira!!!


Ahhh.. I see....

Well......

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Postby King Psyz on Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:50 pm

This is the not the kind of project that should be rushed to production.

Honestly I would really like to see Ridley Scott or Terry Gilliam's take on Neo-Tokyo.

Unless you can elevate past what the anime did, and not just ape it don't bother.

It should also be a trillogy and use the entirety of the Magna.
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Postby tapehead on Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:47 pm

papalazeru wrote: The best anime....EVER! FACT!


It's a milestone, but 'best ever'? I think claims like that really just seek to limit the genre.
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Postby stereosforgeeks on Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:48 pm

tapehead wrote:
papalazeru wrote: The best anime....EVER! FACT!


It's a milestone, but 'best ever'? I think claims like that really just seek to limit the genre.


I think it's most anime fans first.
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Postby Bob Samonkey on Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:50 pm

My "first" was Vampire Hunter D but this was a fast second...
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Postby Al Shut on Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:17 am

Pacino86845 wrote:
Al_Shut wrote:Fernando Meirelles for Akira set in Brazil


I'm sure he'd be fine setting it in Japan, or do you think the story would be cooler in Brazil? I don't really remember too well, but basically Akira could take place in any major, developed city, no?


That's pretty much what I wanted to say, although every city is a little far fetched. It should have a sprawling metropol/moloch feel too it. I never understood the If it's not set in Japan my head will explode attitude of some people.

Brasil was just a random example that I think would work because for some reason Akira sprung to my mind when I recently watched a report on hip hop in favelas.
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Postby MonkeyM666 on Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:23 am

Could it really be set anywhere real though? I mean they'll have to alter 90% of any WS they take of the city to make it look like the future.

I would guess that it'll go along the lines of Sky captain, not that I've seen it but the dude likes using CG.Brazil would be a good basis for the sets and CG design but ultimately you wont be able to tell where the place is, like Melbourne in Ghost Rider.

I think that if the Neon Genesis movies come out before this, we should look at them for the bench mark on how a future mega city is produced on the silver screen.
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Postby Al Shut on Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:34 am

How the look of the city would be created is a point

a) I completly ignored

b) I now shit about what is possible andhow it's done

c) the people actually making the movie absolutely have to consider strongly


But regarding the story I would say almost everywhere, or at least in a lot of possible locations
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Postby Fawst on Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:41 am

I can't remember what I saw first, but I know that my earliest animes were (in no order, and I didn't know what anime was at the time) Yamato, Robotech/Mospeada, Belle & Sebastian, and The Mysterious Cities of Gold. All between the ages of 3 and ... 8? I think I saw Yamato first.

The first REAL anime I ever watched was Akira. It blew my mind. My friend and I watched it like 4 times in a row, stayed up all night to do it. To say that it's the best anime is a little too broad. I think that it's easily the best feature-length anime film, and that isn't too hard to swallow. Comparing it to OVA/televised series just isn't really fair.

Akira actually ruined a lot of anime for me, because it just never hit those same notes. I mean, when anime first hit big on TV around here (Cartoon Network?), it was fucking Tank Police, and... that's about it.

I'm rambling now. Time to get ready for work anyways :)
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Postby papalazeru on Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:59 pm

For anyone who hasn't seen the film, you can watch it here

Amazing.
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Postby Worst Part's Almost Over on Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:15 pm

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Hollywood, just fucking stop RIGHT there! I don't want one of my favourite movies of my teenage years to be arse raped into commercial American wank, thank you very much!! :evil:
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Postby Fievel on Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:46 pm

papalazeru wrote:For anyone who hasn't seen the film, you can watch it here

Amazing.


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Postby papalazeru on Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:23 am

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Postby MonkeyM666 on Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:13 am

:lol: funny ass clip papa.... :lol:


Ka-NEEE-DAAAAAAAA!!!!

and to Worst Part's Almost Over, dude... just don't watch it if you're not interested. I want some new life breathed into this puppy and if it's shit I'll just rewatch the original and remember how good it really is. Even if it’s as bad as Aeon Flux I’ll still have a gander as it looks COOL!
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Postby Ribbons on Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:17 am

Here's a short film Ruairi did called Silent City if anyone wants to watch.
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Postby MonkeyM666 on Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:03 am

Pretty cool link Ribbons. I really like the camera movement at the end of the piece. I'm not sure if Ruairi is up for the job considering the caliber of this remake, but we shall see. His style would definitely suit the Akira universe.
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Postby Fawst on Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:09 am

I thought that Aeon Flux was pretty good, actually. It's by no means a GREAT movie, but it was entertaining and they were able to make a coherent story out of a very artsy cartoon that had no structure *other than chick does something, chick dies, chick does something, chick dies*
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Postby Fawst on Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:18 am

Oh damn... just watched The Silent City. That really was great camera work at the end, very nice fluid movements that made you feel like GAH! Agreed, he can show us Neo-Tokyo. Just so long as the man isn't hamstrung by the suits.
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Postby LaDracul on Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:03 am

I think that WB is really confident about "Speed Racer", which is why this is being rushed into production.

Where the hell is the news about "Death Note"?!
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Postby tapehead on Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:45 am

Fawst wrote:
Confused Pete wrote:Fawst you are so full of shit! It's clear to anyone with even the REMOTEST knowledge of modern cinema that the rather pedestrian chase in Reloaded wouldn't exist if not for Akira, along with many other scenes the W. Bros. lifted from various manga/anime works, Ghost in the Shell being another obvious source. In fact, I think it's safe to assume that...

[wets self]

Hmm?

November.


Bah.

Imitation is the greatest way of giving your source the Shocker :P If they were inspired by Akira (and I'm sure they were), that's one thing. But I refuse to say that they ripped that scene off in any way. I'd sooner say they ripped off the fucking BIBLE to create their hero (which... well, they did). They are completely different scenes, with completely different motivations. A more fitting comparison for the Matrix highway is the Mines of Moria. Both ways were dangerous to the heroes, yet they chose that route because it was faster, regardless of the danger. The highway scene in Akira is really just exposition through action.

Ok, bottom line, I think the W's could make a more thrilling scene out of an already great one. Opinion piece over ;)


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Postby Fawst on Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:38 pm

OH MAN! Did you guys see Family Guy this weekend? THEY TOTALLY RIPPED OFF ANIMATION IN GENERAL BY HAVING AN ANIMATED SHOW!!!

:roll:

If you want to say the Ws ripped everything off to create the Matrix, that's cool, but come up with something better. Shit, did they rip off old gangster movies cuz a guy in a suit had a gun? Did they rip off Corey Hart because Neo wore his sunglasses at night? Obviously they ripped off Cats Eye by having Neo climb around the outside of the building, so I won't even question that one.

A-GAMES, people, BRING THEM. Really I'm responding more to the idea that the Ws ripped off EVERYTHING to make the Matrix. The motorcycle chase argument still pisses me off, because as Bugs Bunny once said "Chases begat chases... and more chases... and more chases..." Not everything is a ripoff.
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Postby Al Shut on Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:17 pm

It's a lot of small visual things that don't seem so obvious on itself. The unnormal way the agents and Kusanagi land after jumping, the ground cracking under Morpheus and Kusanagi after a jump, bullet riddled pillars, bullets missing hte target and hitting a melon stand and even the pince-nez.

Take it all together and I would say the Wachowskis watched Ghost in the shell a lot.
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Postby Fawst on Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:34 pm

BAM, put me in my place, why don't you? :) Thank you, that's a far better argument than "THEY HADZ A M0t0rZSICKYL CH@s3z0rs!!!" Ok, I'm really being a dick today.

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Postby godzillasushi on Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:48 pm

Wow how did I miss all of that....January eh.....

Well, this one thing gets me from the whole conversation "rather pedestrian chase in Reloaded."

I guess that's why he calls himself confused. Even if they were inspired by the things everyone brought up, that chase was far from copied. Akira could be linked to it but the images are some of the greatest car chase moments ever. Freakin geeze. It's by far my favorite chase. It's exciting and intricate. We might never see anything that crazy unless Optimus Prime gives Michael Bay a BJ to get a chase as exciting. Akira or not I would never consider it pedestrian. I watch that movie just for that chase. Dang, tough crowd to please when that is considered sub-par.

And you know what else, my opinion doesn't matter because I love Back to the Future 3! :twisted:

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Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:27 pm

godzillasushi wrote:Even if they were inspired by the things everyone brought up, that chase was far from copied. Akira could be linked to it but the images are some of the greatest car chase moments ever.


Meh... I'm onna board with a the "pedestrian" ranking, eh? Especially when a the Morpheus, he jumps up inna the air from a the roof of a the big rig anna does a the flip inna the air... anna the jump, she is a straight up inna the air as iffa the car chase, she's a happening onna the stage with a the stationary truck, green screen, anna the wind machine, eh? Anna they do it inna the goddamn slo-mo to boot, no?

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Postby tapehead on Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:59 am

Fawst wrote:OH MAN! Did you guys see Family Guy this weekend? THEY TOTALLY RIPPED OFF ANIMATION IN GENERAL BY HAVING AN ANIMATED SHOW!!!

:roll:

If you want to say the Ws ripped everything off to create the Matrix, that's cool, but come up with something better. Shit, did they rip off old gangster movies cuz a guy in a suit had a gun? Did they rip off Corey Hart because Neo wore his sunglasses at night? Obviously they ripped off Cats Eye by having Neo climb around the outside of the building, so I won't even question that one.

A-GAMES, people, BRING THEM. Really I'm responding more to the idea that the Ws ripped off EVERYTHING to make the Matrix. The motorcycle chase argument still pisses me off, because as Bugs Bunny once said "Chases begat chases... and more chases... and more chases..." Not everything is a ripoff.


I think you're misquoting Bugs Bunny.

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Postby Chairman Kaga on Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:10 am

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:
godzillasushi wrote:Even if they were inspired by the things everyone brought up, that chase was far from copied. Akira could be linked to it but the images are some of the greatest car chase moments ever.


Meh... I'm onna board with a the "pedestrian" ranking, eh? Especially when a the Morpheus, he jumps up inna the air from a the roof of a the big rig anna does a the flip inna the air... anna the jump, she is a straight up inna the air as iffa the car chase, she's a happening onna the stage with a the stationary truck, green screen, anna the wind machine, eh? Anna they do it inna the goddamn slo-mo to boot, no?

Goddamn putzes.

Ditto Dino. Someone needs to get godzillasushi a helping of Bullitt/French Connection/Seven Ups stat for some real car chase scenes.
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Postby papalazeru on Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:35 am

tapehead wrote:
You might find this interesting:

http://tinyurl.com/2vnu5e


That's an awesome clip there tape. I must admit that the action no longer looks 'borrowed' but fricking plagurised.
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