Is the blockbuster dead? Master Lucas thinks so...

All the dirt. All the top secret stuff. Anything that has to do with the process of getting us to sit and watch something projected on the big screen.

Do you agree with Master Lucas? Is the "blockbuster" dead?

Yes, and the funeral will take place outside the chinise theatre!
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Postby Eric G on Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:58 pm

You what the scary thing is? If the blockbuster really is dead, then we are all going to have to put up with Titanic being the #1 box office hit of all time.....world wide; for a very, very long time.

I don't think I can cope with that...
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Postby Theta on Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:00 pm

Eric G wrote:You what the scary thing is? If the blockbuster really is dead, then we are all going to have to put up with Titanic being the #1 box office hit of all time.....world wide; for a very, very long time.

I don't think I can cope with that...


Just adjust for inflation, and it gets punted down the list in favor of "Gone With The Wind."
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Postby Eric G on Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:04 pm

Theta wrote:
Eric G wrote:You what the scary thing is? If the blockbuster really is dead, then we are all going to have to put up with Titanic being the #1 box office hit of all time.....world wide; for a very, very long time.

I don't think I can cope with that...


Just adjust for inflation, and it gets punted down the list in favor of "Gone With The Wind."


yeah, that doesn't do it for me. Inflation.... :roll: Sounds like a lot of hot air. :wink:
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Postby thx777b on Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:17 pm

Inflation... Does it have real lesbian action?
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Postby AtomicHyperbole on Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:19 pm

No, but it does have Eagle Eyes.
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Postby El Scorcho on Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:01 pm

By my nature, I must disagree with everything George Lucas says. So, no, the blockbuster is not dead.
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Postby Eric G on Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:00 pm

[quote="George Lucas"] “I don't know why the fans are so mad, ... I've been saying all along that they are my movies. Wait until they find out that my merchandising contracts all have the same text in them. When they have to hand over all their Star Wars toys, models, framed pictures, clothes, cups, and everything else to be buried with me, then they'll really flip-out.â€
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Postby thx777b on Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:08 pm

hahahahaehehehahahaha
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Postby MasterWhedon on Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:21 pm

What I'd really like to see are two Serenity-sized films take the place of any of the $100 million dollar "extravaganzas" that seem to get made all-too-easily now days.

Let's pair things down, make it about story and character. The effects shit is getting cheaper and cheaper, so we can continue to do sci fi and fantasy without needing EVERY film to be an event.

Star Wars-sized films should still be made, should give us an excuse to make the trip to the theaters, but there are plenty of sci fi/fantasy stories that can be told just fine from the comfort of your own home.
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Postby Eric G on Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:31 pm

MasterWhedon wrote:What I'd really like to see are two Serenity-sized films take the place of any of the $100 million dollar "extravaganzas" that seem to get made all-too-easily now days.

Let's pair things down, make it about story and character. The effects shit is getting cheaper and cheaper, so we can continue to do sci fi and fantasy without needing EVERY film to be an event.

Star Wars-sized films should still be made, should give us an excuse to make the trip to the theaters, but there are plenty of sci fi/fantasy stories that can be told just fine from the comfort of your own home.


WTF?
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I would be happy to see more films like Serenity make it through to the Big Screen instead of most of the crap that seems to get made. Give me a film with a strong story, well developed characters and engrossing dialogue and you can stick you $100 million SFX budget.
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Postby cinephile2000 on Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:50 pm

Its not going to die all the way but it will become less and less frequent and more time will be spent in the creation. The market is going to indie films for charecters and story, when they go to a big budget flick theyll want to see more story and charecters added in with all the action an event picture holds. People love the small films but they also love the big ones, its just a trend that will last a while then another big movie like Star Wars will come along and everyone will jump on the band wagon. I just want a good action during the summer and lots of good films the other seasons of the year.
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Postby ZombieZoneSolutions on Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:52 pm

MasterWhedon wrote:What I'd really like to see are two Serenity-sized films take the place of any of the $100 million dollar "extravaganzas" that seem to get made all-too-easily now days.

Let's pair things down, make it about story and character. The effects shit is getting cheaper and cheaper, so we can continue to do sci fi and fantasy without needing EVERY film to be an event.


:D :D :D
i agree very muchly!
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Postby MasterWhedon on Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:53 pm

Eric G wrote:WTF?
I'm getting sick and tired of saying this of late, but I have to agree with MasterWhedon.
...Would you get the f*#k outta my head man!?!?!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

And no, I won't.
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Postby Theta on Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:28 am

thx777b wrote:Inflation... Does it have real lesbian action?


Depends on the economic theory you apply.
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Postby Flickerhead on Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:28 am

MasterWhedon wrote:What I'd really like to see are two Serenity-sized films take the place of any of the $100 million dollar "extravaganzas" that seem to get made all-too-easily now days.


I agree, but I'd agree even more if you said "two Serenity-themed films." :wink:

I gotta say, though, I never thought I'd live to see the day where I couldn't go to film-lover's website without hearing about how we can all look forward to enjoying most films in the comfort of our own homes. It's enough to break an cinemaphile's heart. Choose your side, movie-lovers, but know that even overpriced, ad-plagued theatres cannot be sustained on the strength of one or two "blockbusters" per year. Either film lovers will go out to see new releases, or we will ultimately relinquish the big screen experience for the comparatively pale home-viewing experience.

Yes, I have an HDTV and a kick-ass surround system. And, yes, watching a movie at home is awesome -- compared to how it used to be. Compared to watching in a darkened theatre on a 30-foot screen, feeling the gasps, cheers and applause of my fellow moviegoers ... no comparison.
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Postby dimnix on Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:38 am

What's lucas on about? King Kong made it's money back and then some. Jeesh.

And War Of The Worlds did really well (and kicked ass), Batman Begins had serious legs at the box office (and again, kicked ass), Harry Potter did well (best of the four films), and even Narnia (mediocre) was a huge hit.
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Postby thx777b on Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:03 am

Theta wrote:
thx777b wrote:Inflation... Does it have real lesbian action?


Depends on the economic theory you apply.


What if we apply capitalism?
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Postby HollywoodBabylon on Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:42 am

Don't know whether the blockbuster is dead but I do know that Mr Lucas's career has been dead in the water for the past 20 odd years or so............
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Postby colonel_lugz on Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:44 am

HollywoodBabylon wrote:Don't know whether the blockbuster is dead but I do know that Mr Lucas's career has been dead in the water for the past 20 odd years or so............


His bank account says otherwise
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Postby cap on Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:30 am

colonel_lugz wrote:
HollywoodBabylon wrote:Don't know whether the blockbuster is dead but I do know that Mr Lucas's career has been dead in the water for the past 20 odd years or so............


His bank account says otherwise


Unfortunately you are right about that. I must admit that he got $16.00 from me for his last pile of gunk, I mean movie.
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Postby Theta on Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:20 pm

thx777b wrote:
Theta wrote:
thx777b wrote:Inflation... Does it have real lesbian action?


Depends on the economic theory you apply.


What if we apply capitalism?


Then definitely lesbians. The market demands it.

Communism, not so much. Hence, the real reason we had the Cold War.
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Postby AtomicHyperbole on Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:25 pm

Hm. I'd take hot communist chicks over hot capitalist chicks. Better bone structure.
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Postby The Vicar on Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:21 pm

AtomicHyperbole wrote:Hm. I'd take hot communist chicks over hot capitalist chicks. Better bone structure.


Yes, but the capitalists chicks have better hygeine.
And oh yes, it matters.
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Postby thx777b on Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:44 pm

Theta wrote:
thx777b wrote:
Theta wrote:
thx777b wrote:Inflation... Does it have real lesbian action?


Depends on the economic theory you apply.


What if we apply capitalism?


Then definitely lesbians. The market demands it.

Communism, not so much. Hence, the real reason we had the Cold War.


I thought the real reason we had the Cold War was because of the Global Warming thingy... And the Cold War stabilized the warming etc...

Buty maybe you are right after all...
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Postby HollywoodBabylon on Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:49 pm

colonel_lugz wrote:
HollywoodBabylon wrote:Don't know whether the blockbuster is dead but I do know that Mr Lucas's career has been dead in the water for the past 20 odd years or so............


His bank account says otherwise


True. But as a filmmaker Lucas is creatively spent. Unless he gets back to making films like 'American Graffiti', by far his best film.
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Postby Theta on Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:20 pm

thx777b wrote:
Theta wrote:
thx777b wrote:
Theta wrote:
thx777b wrote:Inflation... Does it have real lesbian action?


Depends on the economic theory you apply.


What if we apply capitalism?


Then definitely lesbians. The market demands it.

Communism, not so much. Hence, the real reason we had the Cold War.


I thought the real reason we had the Cold War was because of the Global Warming thingy... And the Cold War stabilized the warming etc...

Buty maybe you are right after all...


Every conflict, be it moral, economic, or political, is about lesbians. If we just freely distributed quality girl-on-girl in the Middle East, it'd be the most peaceful region in the world.
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Postby colonel_lugz on Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:22 pm

HollywoodBabylon wrote:
colonel_lugz wrote:
HollywoodBabylon wrote:Don't know whether the blockbuster is dead but I do know that Mr Lucas's career has been dead in the water for the past 20 odd years or so............


His bank account says otherwise


True. But as a filmmaker Lucas is creatively spent. Unless he gets back to making films like 'American Graffiti', by far his best film.


I think thats what he intends to do, and good for him I say. I very much doubt his creativity is spent, lets see what Indy 4 brings then we'll go from there.
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Postby The Vicar on Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:19 pm

Theta wrote:
thx777b wrote:
Theta wrote:
thx777b wrote:
Theta wrote:
thx777b wrote:Inflation... Does it have real lesbian action?


Depends on the economic theory you apply.


What if we apply capitalism?


Then definitely lesbians. The market demands it.

Communism, not so much. Hence, the real reason we had the Cold War.


I thought the real reason we had the Cold War was because of the Global Warming thingy... And the Cold War stabilized the warming etc...

Buty maybe you are right after all...


Every conflict, be it moral, economic, or political, is about lesbians. If we just freely distributed quality girl-on-girl in the Middle East, it'd be the most peaceful region in the world.


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Postby thx777b on Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:36 pm

The Vicar wrote:Would this be a good time to start singing
The Impossible Dream?

Alex Harvey style?


To dream the impossible dream,
to fight the unbeatable foe,
to bear with unbearable sorrow,
to run where the brave dare not go.

To right the unrightable wrong,
to love pure and chaste from afar,
to try when your arms are too weary,
to reach the unreachable star.

This is my quest,
to follow that star --
no matter how hopeless,
no matter how far.

To fight for the right
without question or pause,
to be willing to march into hell for a
heavenly cause.

And I know if I'll only be true to this
glorious quest
that my heart will be peaceful and calm
when I'm laid to my rest.

And the world will be better for this,
that one man scorned and covered with scars
still strove with his last ounce of courage.
To reach the unreachable stars.

I LOOOOOOOOOOVE LESBIANS LALALALALA!:)
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Postby The Vicar on Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:37 pm

No one knows who Alex Harvey is, do you?
My friends from the UK, I'm looking at you....
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Postby The Vicar on Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:01 am

Which is a good thing ( as a fellow Celt), but did you know who Mr. Harvey was before or after hitting Wikipedia?

Maybe I should have typed in The Sensational Alex Harvey Band?
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Postby thx777b on Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:46 am

I knew about him but very little too e honest that's why I went over the Wikipedia! They should make a movie about him you know... in the vein of WALK THE LINE and RAY...
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Postby The Vicar on Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:04 am

At least you'd heard of him.
There's just something about some crazy rocker with a lead guitarist wearing clown make up....

You put Alex on the turntable and most people get this stunned look on their faces.
He'd have had his share of troubles on American Idol.

I like the movie idea...but who to play Alex?
One things for sure - singing is not an issue...
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Postby The Vicar on Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:20 am

Better get back on topic before some Mod goes postal on me.

The blockbuster will never die.

It may ebb, it may recede, but like a persistant herpes flareup it will return.
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Postby Exterminans on Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:07 pm

I don't see how anyone can say Lucas destroyed the blockbuster. The prequels made a ton of money. Did they get universally great reviews? No. But they were no where close to being financial failures. Each one cost roughly 115 million to make and each one made over 300 million (PM made over 400). How is that a failure or the death of a blockbuster?

Movie exec's don't care about reviews unless they effect their bottom line. If a studio could make 50 critically panned movies that each cost 100 million but made 300 million (from tickets alone not counting mechandise), they would keep making them forever. It all comes down to money. And the prequels whether you like them or not made a crap load of money.

I agree with him that you will see less big budget films, but films will also be cheaper to produce in the year 2025. The CGI quality will be better and cheaper. You will see television shows on the Sci-Fi channel with better effects than Star Wars or King King in the year 2025. So by default films should cost less. Of course 15 million in todays dollars won't be 15 million in 2025 dollars.
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Postby Chairman Kaga on Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:09 am

Dude King King has effects that will never be topped.
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Postby colonel_lugz on Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:30 am

Chairman Kaga wrote:Dude King King has effects that will never be topped.


Of course they will be topped, Its purely about advancement in technology. Thats the only factor in better and better effects. We'll see something within the next two years that will look better than Kong.
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Postby HollywoodBabylon on Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:38 am

colonel_lugz wrote:
Chairman Kaga wrote:Dude King King has effects that will never be topped.


Of course they will be topped, Its purely about advancement in technology. Thats the only factor in better and better effects. We'll see something within the next two years that will look better than Kong.[/quot

Effects now have become so technology sophisticated and commonplace that they border on being boring. There's no genuine sense of wonderment anymore, just "ok, that was spectacular - yawn - now when's the next one to top that -yawn.." etc etc.
Frankly, I get more of a sense of wonder watching a Jan Svankmajer production that any amount of Kong or, Lord help us, That High Priest of Film Boredom George Lucas (aka Lucazzz).
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Postby AtomicHyperbole on Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:55 am

Chairman Kaga wrote:Dude King King has effects that will never be topped.


Yeah, 'cos that Dino stampede was AWESOME. :shiftyeyes:

I love the art of Kong, but that film was a stylistic mess in direction terms and the effects varied from the excellent to the atrocious. I suppose I'll only be truly impressed when model backgrounds cease to look like models.
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Postby Retardo_Montalban on Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:37 pm

colonel_lugz wrote:
Chairman Kaga wrote:Dude King King has effects that will never be topped.


Of course they will be topped, Its purely about advancement in technology. Thats the only factor in better and better effects. We'll see something within the next two years that will look better than Kong.


Bullshit. I still have yet to see anything top Darby O'Gill and the Little People (and that movie was made 50 years ago). Those Leprechauns were tiny and Sean Connery interacted with them seemlessly. I dare anybody to try and recreate that shit. And don't give me no jive about Lord of the Rings. A hobbit is 4 feet tall, and a Leprechaun is 4 inches. You can't use oversized sets and perpective on that kind of level. Plus they got that studly assed leprechaun to hop all over the place without making it look lame. The computer is no replacement for the mind and soul of a master film maker.
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Postby HollywoodBabylon on Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:55 pm

HollywoodBabylon wrote:
colonel_lugz wrote:
Chairman Kaga wrote:Dude King King has effects that will never be topped.


Of course they will be topped, Its purely about advancement in technology. Thats the only factor in better and better effects. We'll see something within the next two years that will look better than Kong.[/quot

Effects now have become so technology sophisticated and commonplace that they border on being boring. There's no genuine sense of wonderment anymore, just "ok, that was spectacular - yawn - now when's the next one to top that -yawn.." etc etc.
Frankly, I get more of a sense of wonder watching a Jan Svankmajer production that any amount of Kong or, Lord help us, That High Priest of Film Boredom George Lucas (aka Lucazzz).


Add to that the films of The Brothers Quay, George Melies, Wladislaw Starewicz who, like Svankmajer, leave the likes of Lucas, Cameron, Jackson et al, floundering. You really get a sense of cinema magic in it's purest sense when watching their films.
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Postby Chairman Kaga on Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:23 pm

Ha. My mocking of Exterminans spelling of Kong goes unchecked. I stand by the fact that the fictitious film King King has effects that can't be topped.
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Postby AtomicHyperbole on Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:35 pm

Mmmmm... Bunky Kang!
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Re: Is the blockbuster dead? Master Lucas thinks so...

Postby RogueScribner on Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:30 pm

thx777b wrote:I found this very interesting, Straight from imdb.com:
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Lucas: "The Blockbuster Is Dead"

Movie mogul George Lucas predicts Hollywood will soon start shifting away from mega-budget blockbusters in favor of making more independent films for less money. Alongside Steven Spielberg, Star Wars creator Lucas is cited as being chiefly responsible for the blockbuster phenomenon that has gripped the movie industry for the last three decades. But he now believes big-budget films can no longer be profitable and are going out of fashion, as evidenced by this year's Academy Award nominees, including independent movies Crash and Good Night, And Good Luck. Lucas tells the New York Daily News, "The market forces that exist today make it unrealistic to spend $200 million on a movie. Those movies can't make their money back anymore. Look at what happened with King Kong. I think it's great that the major Oscar nominations have gone to independent films. Is that good for the business? No - it's bad for the business. But movie-making isn't about business. It's about art. In the future, almost everything that gets shown in theaters will be indie movies. I predict that by 2025 the average movie
will cost only $15 million."
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What do you think? Is the blockbuster dead? Discuss!


That is the funniest thing I've ever read! Just because Lucas lost touch with how to craft a good movie with a large budget doesn't mean others have. There will ALWAYS be "blockbusters". Hollywood IS a business. There is not a non-profit studio that I'm aware of. As long as studios can find a way to make money, they will. People by and large like simple escapist entertainment. That was true in the 1930s, it was true in the 1960s, and it's true now. You can barely make a movie nowadays with a budget of only $15 million, so I don't see how it's going to be any more possible in 2025.

Lucas has officially lost it.
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Postby thx777b on Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:39 pm

If he has lost it then how is he still making millions of dollars daily?
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Postby RogueScribner on Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:55 pm

He's making millions of dollars because he has other people running his companies. Lucas never has to make a movie again. He's set for life. But I'd really like to see him make a non-Star Wars or non-Indiana Jones film that actually makes money. That actually wows people. The closest thing he had to that was Willow and that was 18 years ago.

Lucas has lost all perspective. He thinks he sees the future, but he only sees his narrrow view of it. If Lucas' prediction comes true, I'll eat my hat!

At any rate, the real issue isn't whether Hollywood should try to make event films. It's whether they can alter their business model enough to assume less risk when they do so. They spent $80 million on The Pink Panther. How? Where did all that money go? This isn't a movie with elaborate FX sequences or a cast of thousands. It's a stupid caper comedy! That's the problem with Hollywood. They should know what type of film they are making up front and then only spend the amount of money necessary to make it. Robert Rodriguez could have made 4 - 6 more worthwhile films for $80 million and most if not all would have turned a profit.

Hollywood is on a spending spree and it all started when some douche decided to pay Jim Carrey $20 million for The Cable Guy. Ever since then talent costs have been out of control and you couple that with studios trying to have the most crazy-cgi movie in the world you end up with inflated budgets with poor scripts.

Miramax was king for a long time because they capped their budgets while still having good enough scripts to attract good talent and ended up turning a tidy, if not sizeable, profit. Titanic was a fluke. It didn't make all that money because of its $200 million budget. It made it despite of it. Most movies still make less than $100 million. A handful each year will make more than $200 million. So why so many high budgets? Hollywood is gambling and they're currently missing more than they're hitting.

A studio shift will occur soon, methinks. That doesn't mean independent film will rule the day, but rather that Hollywood is going to get smarter about how they make films. They have to or else they'll simply price themselves into bankruptcy.
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