thedoglippedone wrote:AtomicHyperbole wrote:Perhaps a giant rotating evil head of a wanker will make you yearn for Jack Black again... wurhurhurhur...
Why KON's face dude?
It's not Kon's foo'.
thedoglippedone wrote:AtomicHyperbole wrote:Perhaps a giant rotating evil head of a wanker will make you yearn for Jack Black again... wurhurhurhur...
Why KON's face dude?

ONeillSG1 wrote:While the Daniel Day Lewis casting intrigued me, no one could have done better than Brando. Thank God for Mario Puzo's involvment in the script writing, otherwise who knows who would have been Jor-El in the original.
AtomicHyperbole wrote:ONeillSG1 wrote:While the Daniel Day Lewis casting intrigued me, no one could have done better than Brando. Thank God for Mario Puzo's involvment in the script writing, otherwise who knows who would have been Jor-El in the original.
You do not remember me...



ONeillSG1 wrote:While the Daniel Day Lewis casting intrigued me, no one could have done better than Brando. Thank God for Mario Puzo's involvment in the script writing, otherwise who knows who would have been Jor-El in the original.
ONeillSG1 wrote:With that said, the question then is: Why was it greeted this way? And thus, how can they prevent it from happening again with the sequel, if greenlighted?
Pops Freshenmeyer wrote:Since the next Batman film will be called The Dark Knight, should the next Superman flick be called The Man of Steel?
Chairman Kaga wrote:Pops Freshenmeyer wrote:Since the next Batman film will be called The Dark Knight, should the next Superman flick be called The Man of Steel?
I saw this posted in the other thread Pops. If true that wouldn't be a bad way to go.
Pops Freshenmeyer wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:Pops Freshenmeyer wrote:Since the next Batman film will be called The Dark Knight, should the next Superman flick be called The Man of Steel?
I saw this posted in the other thread Pops. If true that wouldn't be a bad way to go.
would The Man of Steel be an appropriate name for a low budget superhero film? Cause from the box office thread, it sounds like that's the only way we'll ever get another Superman film.
Chairman Kaga wrote:ONeillSG1 wrote:
I think most of the blame can easily be heaped upon the awful ad campaign. Aside from the first trailer nothing in the ads was remotely interesting or Superman-ish especially the complete disregard for Williams' score wherein they substitued crap-pop-rock-rap...


Peven wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:ONeillSG1 wrote:
I think most of the blame can easily be heaped upon the awful ad campaign. Aside from the first trailer nothing in the ads was remotely interesting or Superman-ish especially the complete disregard for Williams' score wherein they substitued crap-pop-rock-rap...
i think you're scapegoating. really, the complaint among those who didn't care much for SR was that the movie itself wasn't interesting or Superman-ish enough. the fact is, even if the ad campaign was weak, enough people went to see it the first week to generate enough buzz on word of mouth to give it the legs to make more than it has, BUT that didn't happen. as much as some people love SR, they have to accept that its performance at the BO can't be blamed on anything but the movie, its writers and director.
Peven wrote:as much as some people love SR, they have to accept that its performance at the BO can't be blamed on anything but the movie, its writers and director.
Chairman Kaga wrote:Peven wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:ONeillSG1 wrote:
I think most of the blame can easily be heaped upon the awful ad campaign. Aside from the first trailer nothing in the ads was remotely interesting or Superman-ish especially the complete disregard for Williams' score wherein they substitued crap-pop-rock-rap...
i think you're scapegoating. really, the complaint among those who didn't care much for SR was that the movie itself wasn't interesting or Superman-ish enough. the fact is, even if the ad campaign was weak, enough people went to see it the first week to generate enough buzz on word of mouth to give it the legs to make more than it has, BUT that didn't happen. as much as some people love SR, they have to accept that its performance at the BO can't be blamed on anything but the movie, its writers and director.
That's quite the specious assumption considering obviously neither you nor I really know what everyone who saw SR thought of it or what people who didn't see SR thought of it and thus why they didn't see it. I was merely stating what could have caused it not what definitely caused it.


Peven wrote:well, i am commenting on what i have read from reviewers who weren't all that thrilled with it, people on here, and who i know personally. i mean, does ANYONE know what EVERYONE who saw it, or didn't see it, think? we discuss what we percieve as the general public's perception is about movies here all the time without having to back it up by proving we KNOW what each person out there thinks. i mean, if you want to remove supposition and deduction from movie discussion here you may as well shut half the place down.
Pops Freshenmeyer wrote:Peven wrote:as much as some people love SR, they have to accept that its performance at the BO can't be blamed on anything but the movie, its writers and director.
Blamed? Or credited? Hasn't it made over $300m worldwide by now? If I were the writer or director of a film that grossed 300 million dollars in the world, that would be a personal accomplishment, not a failure.


Chairman Kaga wrote:Peven wrote:well, i am commenting on what i have read from reviewers who weren't all that thrilled with it, people on here, and who i know personally. i mean, does ANYONE know what EVERYONE who saw it, or didn't see it, think? we discuss what we percieve as the general public's perception is about movies here all the time without having to back it up by proving we KNOW what each person out there thinks. i mean, if you want to remove supposition and deduction from movie discussion here you may as well shut half the place down.
That's fair enough but the reviews I have read and my peer's reaction was mostly good to great. So obviously our experiences differ thus how are we to resolve this. You will state something like "most people find it underwhelming" and I state "most people found it to be a good or great film" based on or individual perceptions neither of us is really correct. So how are we supposed to agree? For example the 76% of the Zoners who voted here think the movie is a 7/10 or better. That seems to be a good to great rating but obviously that sample is only indicative of the hardcore nerds who come to this board. So by what guage am I supposed to judge the average person's opinion?


Peven wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:Peven wrote:well, i am commenting on what i have read from reviewers who weren't all that thrilled with it, people on here, and who i know personally. i mean, does ANYONE know what EVERYONE who saw it, or didn't see it, think? we discuss what we percieve as the general public's perception is about movies here all the time without having to back it up by proving we KNOW what each person out there thinks. i mean, if you want to remove supposition and deduction from movie discussion here you may as well shut half the place down.
That's fair enough but the reviews I have read and my peer's reaction was mostly good to great. So obviously our experiences differ thus how are we to resolve this? You will state something like "most people find it underwhelming" and I state "most people found it to be a good or great film" based on or individual perceptions neither of us is really correct. So how are we supposed to agree? For example the 76% of the Zoners who voted here think the movie is a 7/10 or better. That seems to be a good to great rating but obviously that sample is only indicative of the hardcore nerds who come to this board. So by what guage am I supposed to judge the average person's opinion?
Kaga, you need to read what i write more carefully. i didn't say "most people find it underwhelming", what i said was that most people who found SR underwhelming felt that way because it wasn't Superman-ish enough. big difference, wouldn't you say?
Chairman Kaga wrote:Peven wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:Peven wrote:well, i am commenting on what i have read from reviewers who weren't all that thrilled with it, people on here, and who i know personally. i mean, does ANYONE know what EVERYONE who saw it, or didn't see it, think? we discuss what we percieve as the general public's perception is about movies here all the time without having to back it up by proving we KNOW what each person out there thinks. i mean, if you want to remove supposition and deduction from movie discussion here you may as well shut half the place down.
That's fair enough but the reviews I have read and my peer's reaction was mostly good to great. So obviously our experiences differ thus how are we to resolve this? You will state something like "most people find it underwhelming" and I state "most people found it to be a good or great film" based on or individual perceptions neither of us is really correct. So how are we supposed to agree? For example the 76% of the Zoners who voted here think the movie is a 7/10 or better. That seems to be a good to great rating but obviously that sample is only indicative of the hardcore nerds who come to this board. So by what guage am I supposed to judge the average person's opinion?
Kaga, you need to read what i write more carefully. i didn't say "most people find it underwhelming", what i said was that most people who found SR underwhelming felt that way because it wasn't Superman-ish enough. big difference, wouldn't you say?
Obviously.
My quotes were refering to what you would hypothetically respond with in a back and forth argument that would be based on nothing more than our opinions of what we each thought people think of the film. Notice the word will. If you are going to chastise me for reading what you write at least extend me the same courtesy.![]()
All I am trying to get at is by what external guage are we supposed to judge people's reaction to the film that isn't tainted by our own opinion/perception.....obviously aside from Box Office since this started as a way of trying to explain the lower than expected box office or is Box Office the only true gauge of public opinion of a film? Does Variety run polls or something?


Shane wrote:Everywhere I look the majority wants to see Braniac, not Zod, and I agree with this majority. Go to SHH now, they even have a poll on who the villain should be, and Braniac is dominating. Darkseid would be nice, but save him for New Gods. Now with that being said, We should have the Braniac Casting Thread..
Braniac needs to be more of a great thespian than a run of the mill actor.
so my suggestions....
Terrance Stamp
Gary Oldman
William Defoe
Ian McKellen
Christopher Lee
David Caradine

Chairman Kaga wrote:I actually prefer the idea of a different actor for Bizarro rather than Routh playing Supes and Bizarro.......



ONeillSG1 wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:I actually prefer the idea of a different actor for Bizarro rather than Routh playing Supes and Bizarro.......
Though the idea is interesting, I rather see different actors. Let's not hang too much on Routh's undoubtedly broad shoulders.
The following was taken from Dark Horizons with a confirmed report by IESB. I guess pretty much every naysayer who didn't like the film were proved wrong. The sequel is coming, Singer is back, and it's going to start production in a year. SR wasn't a perfect film, but it stayed true to the character and was a great start. Can't wait for the more action packed flick!
Warner Bros. has kept "Superman Returns" playing long enough that this past weekend it finally cracked the $200 million mark domestically and so the studio will move forward with a sequel.
The IESB has learned that Bryan Singer has finalized a deal to move forward with the sequel this past weekend and the studio is planning to start production sometime as early as next September with much of the same team behind "Returns". This would indicate shooting would probably begin early 2008 for a Summer 2009 release.
In a very smart move as well, the two big criticisms thrown against the film are being directly addressed - the budget and the lack of action & fun in the film. The action quotient will be strongly ramped up and a non-Lex DC villain looks like it will be the main villain of the piece.
In regards to the cost, 'Returns' had an official budget around $204-208 million, plus tens of millions in development costs over the years. No development costs this time around, and the production budget will be set at a perfectly sound $140-175 million.



TheButcher wrote:Shane wrote:Everywhere I look the majority wants to see Braniac, not Zod, and I agree with this majority. Go to SHH now, they even have a poll on who the villain should be, and Braniac is dominating. Darkseid would be nice, but save him for New Gods. Now with that being said, We should have the Braniac Casting Thread..
Braniac needs to be more of a great thespian than a run of the mill actor.
so my suggestions....
Terrance Stamp
Gary Oldman
William Defoe
Ian McKellen
Christopher Lee
David Caradine
Not bad, not bad at all.
Here are my suggestions:
Joe Pesci as Mr. Mxyzptlk
Nic Cage as Bizarro
Edward Norton as Brianiac
Steve Austin as Lobo![]()
Johnny Depp as Dr. Quintum
***EDIT***
If Singer does come back for the sequel then Hugh Laurie will be Brainiac.
underscore wrote:It'd be interesting to see Superman's child get killed by a villain in maybe the third movie or something. I'd go see a sequel if it were more action and less pretenciousness.
BUT THEY HAVE GOT TO CAST A NEW LOIS. I mean SERIOUSLY. Someone like Sandra Bullock or Courtney Cox would've been a million times better.

Pops Freshenmeyer wrote:...how Zod be the villian again? Bringing him back from the dead seems beneath the franchise...


Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:What film's that from again? And why are you saying it here?
As he as much as announced at the San Diego Comic-Con, Bryan Singer has signed on to direct a sequel to this summer’s Superman Returns, this according to Variety - confirming rumors that were flying at the end of last week.
The sequel, though not greenlit by the studio, is expected to be released in summer of 2009, although, according to the trade, there is no script or budget as of yet.
As Variety interprets the pacting between Singer and the studio for a sequel – though Superman Returns didn’t perform as the studio had hoped, it’s not about to walk away from the Superman film franchise. The trade reported Warner Bros. and co-financer/co-producer Legendary Pictures as saying that they will still turn a profit on Superman Returns, noting that the film has just crossed $200 million domestically, and more than $390 worldwide.
The budget for the sequel, reportedly, will be under $200 million, with Warners put at $209 million after tax rebates and incentives, although, as has been previously noted, when factoring in all the development costs to get Superman Returns to theaters (multiple scripts, directors and lead actors), the total costs for the film over the years to Warners has been nearly $250 million – though the $40 million in development previous to this specific version of the film, as been absorbed.
Warners has an option on Brandon Routh for the sequel, which, according to Singer when speaking at Comic-Con, will be more action-oriented, as the director said that while Superman Returns allowed him to introduce the cast, the sequel would allow him to, “Go Wrath of Khan on it." While Singer didn't name any particular villains that would be in the sequel, he teased - more than once – of an alien threat.


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