TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

Postby so sorry on Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:34 pm

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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

Postby TheButcher on Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:13 pm

caruso_stalker217 wrote:So has anybody here actually seen this turd yet?

I did.
I liked it.
Old Man Arnold is great in this movie.

I like how each Terminator movie is basically a reboot.

I like big movies that don't really work.
Then I get to use my imagination to play What If?.
What if The Terminator was sent back to 1987 and to fight the Predator and Dutch's Expendables.

The section of the movie that takes place in 1984 is really cool.
The T-800 fight was cool.
Nu-Kyle and Sarah are ok.
I don't really like Planet of the Apes John Connor.

Time travel is a very tricky plot device to get right.
The movie really screws with the timelines.
Maybe the writers are setting up a multiverse.

It would be nice to see a Terminator go back in time and Terminate somebody.
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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

Postby TheBaxter on Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:58 pm

TheButcher wrote:It would be nice to see a Terminator go back in time and Terminate somebody.


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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

Postby Spandau Belly on Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:50 pm

TheButcher wrote:What if The Terminator was sent back to 1987 and to fight the Predator and Dutch's Expendables.


How about a PREDATOR movie set in the world after Skynet has won the war and there are no living people left, just robots?

Just shove a Predator in this...

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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

Postby TheBaxter on Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:38 am

Spandau Belly wrote:
TheButcher wrote:What if The Terminator was sent back to 1987 and to fight the Predator and Dutch's Expendables.


How about a PREDATOR movie set in the world after Skynet has won the war and there are no living people left, just robots?

Just shove a Predator in this...



can we get some Aliens in there too. and maybe some Avatars as well? and then have them send a T-800 back to retrieve Leonardo Dicaprio's frozen body from the bottom of the Atlantic and send him thousands of years into the future where apes have taken over the planet?
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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

Postby TheButcher on Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:56 am

Everything GREAT About Terminator Genisys!
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Re: TERMINATOR: RE-GENE-SYS

Postby TheButcher on Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:57 am

A Major ‘Terminator’ Franchise Announcement Is Coming in 2017, Says Skydance’s David Ellison
Ellison spoke briefly about the "bright future" of the 'Terminator' franchise.
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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

Postby Wolfpack on Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:45 pm

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Re: TERMINATOR: RE-GENE-SYS

Postby TheButcher on Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:53 am

TheButcher wrote:COLLIDER MARCH 21, 2017:
A Major ‘Terminator’ Franchise Announcement Is Coming in 2017, Says Skydance’s David Ellison
Ellison spoke briefly about the "bright future" of the 'Terminator' franchise.


THR MARCH 30, 2017:
The Terminator Comes to Hollywood to Destroy Old Copyright Grants
From a mockumentary classic to an Oscar winning best picture, studios are fighting to hold onto properties from hungry authors.
Eriq Gardner wrote:In James Cameron's sci fi classic, The Terminator, a cyborg is sent back in time to assassinate. Something similar is playing out in Hollywood at the moment thanks to a mid-1970s change to copyright law that allows authors or their heirs to terminate a copyright grant. And like the film, there's resistance.

When Congress decided to extend the copyright term in 1976, it chose to recognize those who had created works at the early stage of their careers but handed their rights over without much bargaining power. By allowing authors to serve notices of termination to publishers or studios, those authors were allowed to enjoy the benefits of the latter stages of a copyright term. Authors just had to wait at least 35 years for another bite at the apple. As Arnold Schwarzenegger would say, "I'll be back."

The time is now for many authors, and what first created hassles in the music industry has slowly crept into the purview of filmmaking just as major studios are in the midst of reboot mania. Even The Terminator itself appears be the subject of a termination battle judging by an only partly-informed Deadline story reporting a "copyright reversion" 35 years after the release of the 1984 film. Sources close to Cameron refuse to discuss what's happening, citing ongoing negotiations.

Studios will, of course, fight back.



Deadline January 20, 2017:
He’s Back! James Cameron To Godfather ‘Terminator’ With ‘Deadpool’ Helmer Tim Miller
Mike Fleming Jr wrote:EXCLUSIVE: He’ll be back! James Cameron, who regains certain rights to his prized creation The Terminator in 2019, is godfathering a new iteration of the film that might finally get it right in drawing a close in the battle between humans and Skynet. Sources said that Cameron, whose copyright reversion happens 35 years after the release of the 1984 classic, is in early talks with Deadpool director and VFX wiz Tim Miller to direct a reboot and conclusion of one of cinema’s great science fiction tales.

David Ellison, whose Skydance co-financed Terminator Genisys, is bankrolling an exploratory effort that includes engaging some top-flight science fiction authors to find the movie creatively. Ellison still holds many Terminator rights, after his 2013 acquisition from sister and Annapurna principal Megan Ellison. She bought them in 2011 at Cannes for $20 million.

This is the latest development in an ongoing saga. Indeed, The Terminator might have endured the craziest road of any billion-dollar movie franchise, going back to when Cameron — who only had Piranha 2 under his belt as director — sold rights to his scripted project for $1 to producer Gale Anne Hurd, with the stipulation he could not be fired as director. The result was a 1984 sci-fi classic that launched his star and that of Arnold Schwarzenegger. Cameron came back and topped himself to write and direct he blockbuster Terminator 2: Judgment Day, but he washed his hands of the property after that. He mentioned to producers Mario Kassar and Andy Vajna his plans to buy the rights back from Carolco bankruptcy. They beat him to the punch, figuring he would still participate, but Cameron responded by walking away. He didn’t participate in the three films that followed, or the TV show The Sarah Connor Chronicles. The rights ended up with Pacificor, which paid $29.5 million, and Megan Ellison bought them after that company floundered.
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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

Postby Peven on Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:01 pm

is there any way to salvage this franchise aside from putting it on the shelf for a couple decades before rebooting it? they really made a mess of it with the last two movies, screwing canon all to hell and watering down the identity of what made the first movie so visceral and engaging. just like Pitch Black, sometimes the best science fiction movies are the ones that are "small" and intimate, they draw the viewer in more because it is about the people in the story, not the technology, the tech stuff is just the back-drop.
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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:07 pm

Enough with these repetitive films already. It's like some gentleman painting over a Picasso with his own puke trying to replicate the original.

It's DONE. Move on. You movie makers are aware of a thing called a brain and it's creative capability of coming up with something new but just as good as the first Terminator films?
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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

Postby TheBaxter on Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:24 pm

Peven wrote:is there any way to salvage this franchise aside from putting it on the shelf for a couple decades before rebooting it? they really made a mess of it with the last two movies, screwing canon all to hell and watering down the identity of what made the first movie so visceral and engaging. just like Pitch Black, sometimes the best science fiction movies are the ones that are "small" and intimate, they draw the viewer in more because it is about the people in the story, not the technology, the tech stuff is just the back-drop.


Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Enough with these repetitive films already. It's like some gentleman painting over a Picasso with his own puke trying to replicate the original.

It's DONE. Move on. You movie makers are aware of a thing called a brain and it's creative capability of coming up with something new but just as good as the first Terminator films?


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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

Postby Ribbons on Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:31 pm

Peven wrote:is there any way to salvage this franchise aside from putting it on the shelf for a couple decades before rebooting it? they really made a mess of it with the last two movies, screwing canon all to hell and watering down the identity of what made the first movie so visceral and engaging. just like Pitch Black, sometimes the best science fiction movies are the ones that are "small" and intimate, they draw the viewer in more because it is about the people in the story, not the technology, the tech stuff is just the back-drop.


In my opinion they should just stop with the Terminator sequels altogether. This is one of what people sometimes refer to as a "franchise mirage." There were two popular action movies featuring a huge star in the '80s and early '90s, so now we have to keep remaking it endlessly, because that's just what you do, right?. But the story was finished, the loop was closed; it's time to move on. It's especially galling with The Terminator because they have to keep fixing the timeline and then fucking it up all over again. So yeah: Hollywood, no more of these movies plz.*

*of course I never would have imagined that a new series of Planet of the Apes movies could have come out of nowhere and kicked ass in the 2010s, so who the fuck knows. At the very least they should sit on it for awhile until they find a fresh perspective.
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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

Postby TheButcher on Sun May 21, 2017 7:23 am

Arnold Schwarzenegger Will Reteam With James Cameron for the Next Terminator Movie
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Speaking to Screen in Cannes, [...] Schwarzenegger confirmed that he will star in a new Terminator film produced by James Cameron.

“It is back,” commented Schwarzenegger, who revealed that he had met Cameron recently and discussed the project. “It is moving forward. He [Cameron] has some good ideas of how to continue with the franchise,” the actor added, “I will be in the movie.”
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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

Postby TheButcher on Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:37 pm

Fox, Paramount Accused of Using Stolen Computer Graphic Technology for Hit Films
A VFX firm demands an injunction on "Deadpool" and three other blockbusters plus one huge video game.
Eriq Gardner wrote:Rearden LLC is now in full-on attack mode against Hollywood studios.

A week after the company filed a lawsuit demanding an injunction on three Disney films, Rearden has now submitted three more lawsuits over motion capture technology that it contends was stolen. One lawsuit demands that Fox be enjoined from distributing Deadpool, Night at the Museum: Secret of the Tomb and Fantastic Four. A second lawsuit aims at Paramount Pictures' Terminator: Genisys. And a third goes after Crystal Dynamics for an Xbox game called Rise of the Tomb Raider.

The plaintiff, a firm incubated by Silicon Valley entrepreneur Steve Perlman, claims to have perfected a technology called MOVA, which captures facial expressions to create photorealistic computer graphic effects. Rearden has battled with Digital Domain 3.0, and last year after an FBI investigation into economic espionage, scored an injunction against two Chinese firms that purchased the technology being licensed. Digital Domain is challenging the injunction before the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit.

Now, Rearden is looking to do something about technology it says was used to make Arnold Schwarzenegger look much younger in the most recent Terminator film and to make Colossus appear as the character did in X-Men comics.

Rearden says it had contracts with the studios for prior films. The plaintiff says it licensed its technology to Fox for Percy Jackson & The Olympians: The Lightning Thief and to Paramount for The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, which won an Academy Award for its reverse aging of Brad Pitt's face.

The complaints (here's one) further accuse the studios of having "secretly contracted with the thieves," and notwithstanding the "widely-reported litigation," to having flaunted use of the allegedly stolen tech.

Somewhat unusually, the latest lawsuits bring no patent infringement claims.

Instead, Rearden is asserting copyright infringement connected with the "output" of its software program — including skin texture, makeup pattern, captured surface and something called tracking mesh. Rearden is also claiming trademark infringement from the way that the studios have been advertising and promoting the VFX in their films.

The claims could provoke Dastar-type arguments from the defendants over the intellectual property mash-up ambiguities and be scrutinized on whether expression is really being misappropriated, but for now, Rearden and its attorneys at Hagens Berman are clearly attempting to send a message a year after some observers were sounding alarms about the legally controversial technology being widely used in Hollywood.
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Re: Terminator ReGenisys

Postby TheButcher on Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:16 pm

James Cameron Considering a New ‘Terminator’ Trilogy
“The question is — has the franchise run its course or can it be freshened up? So I am in discussions with David Ellison, who is the current rights holder globally for the Terminator franchise and the rights in the US market revert to me under US copyright law in a year and a half, so he and I are talking about what we can do. Right now we are leaning toward doing a three-film arc and reinventing it.”
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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

Postby caruso_stalker217 on Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:31 pm

But how will it tie into the AVATAR sequels?
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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

Postby TheBaxter on Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:17 pm

the problem with the Terminator "franchise" is that it's so tied into the concept of time travel, that each new film in the series feels the need to use time travel as a device to keep sending terminators back into the past, which ends up with increasingly convoluted timelines that make less and less sense with each iteration.

what they need to do, if they want to restart the series fresh, is:
- forget schwarzenegger, no one wants to see his wrinkly ass pretending to be a cyborg in his 70s
- forget john connor and sarah connor and kyle reese and the whole conner clan
- set this thing in the future, in a post-skynet world. you can have an occasional reference back to john connor and how he saved humanity from skynet, but set it far off enough in the future that none of the old characters are still around. and please resist the temptation to make your hero somehow related to john connor, like his long-lost great-grandson or something... it's so obvious
- avoid time travel. maybe you can have some new AI villain who is trying to rebuild the time travel device to go back and prevent skynet from being defeated, but that plan is thwarted without any actual time travel occurring. a time-travel-free terminator film could be a refreshing change. if you eventually resort to time travel later in the trilogy, make sure it's a one-time thing with real ramifications, not some cheap device to reset the history of the world one more time.
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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

Postby Ribbons on Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:08 am

Wasn't that basically Terminator: Salvation though? I deleted entire sections of that movie from my brain, but I don't think there was any time travel.
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Re: TERMINATOR: GENE-SYS

Postby TheBaxter on Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:58 am

i saw T:S but i don't remember much about it. it still has Connor and Kyle Reese as primary characters, and even if time travel itself isn't a factor in the film, the leftover remnants of all the previous time travel plot points (like Connor knowing Reese is going to go back in time to become his daddy) are still in place. and i think Arnie had a cameo, or at least his digitally superimposed face did.

so yeah, T:S kinda had the right idea, but didn't go far enough with it. they probably were afraid to abandon the characters people have come to know from previous films, meaning they didn't have enough confidence in the underlying world and story concepts themselves to interest people. but john connor isn't even hardly a character in #1, and was played by multiple people in later films, whereas kyle reese was gone from the franchise after the 1st film. so basically, they need to do something similar to T:S but take it a bit further, throw away the safety wheel characters from previous films.... oh yeah, and hiring someone other than McG to direct might help.
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