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Wod fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby so sorry on Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:25 pm



I've said it before, I'll say it again. I can't get past the fact that apes with bow and arrows and rediculous handling of weapons can defeat an army of trained soldiers. Ever.
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Re: War fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby Fievel on Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:40 pm

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Woody's line about the planet of apes was cringe-worthy.
But I'm a fan of the new series. Bring it.
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Re: War fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby Fried Gold on Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:34 pm

"War Fir: The Planet of the Apes" tells the story of Brian, the last fir tree of an ancient clan of battle-ready perennials, as he engages in war one last time against the apes.
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Re: War fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby Peven on Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:02 pm

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Re: War fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby TheButcher on Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:15 pm

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Tom Cruise Wants to Play an Ape in the Planet of the Apes Series



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Re: War fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby Ribbons on Fri Dec 09, 2016 4:43 pm

I've been pretty vocal about my love for the last Apes movie, or Apes-a-Poppin' 2 as it's officially called. So I'm not sure whether I'm looking forward to this new one or dreading it. I think it's kind of unnecessary, but I thought the last one was going to suck until I saw it, so you never know.
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Re: War fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby Peven on Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:13 pm

at some point they have to remake the original Heston story, though, right? right??
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Re: War fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby so sorry on Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:12 pm

Peven wrote:at some point they have to remake the original Heston story, though, right? right??

Absolutely they will, and if they do it for the next flick, maybe they can get Heston to play dr zaius
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Re: War fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby TheButcher on Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:58 am

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Why 'War' Should Finish the Fight for the 'Planet of The Apes'
A lot rests on how ready the 'Apes' franchise is to let go of the past.
Graeme McMillan wrote:As the first trailer for War For The Planet Of The Apes puts it, "All of human history has led to this moment." More importantly, the trailer suggests that all of the rebooted franchise to date — both Rise of The Planet of The Apes and Dawn of The Planet of The Apes — has led to this movie, offering War the chance to do what so few franchises have the chance to these days: End.

There is something pleasingly climactic about the War trailer. Mostly, it comes from the melodramatic narration from The Colonel (Woody Harrelson), which doesn't just declare that the movie is the result of all of human history, but also that — should his forces lose the war, "it will be… a planet of apes." Everything seems to be suggesting that this movie will feature the last stand of humanity, and the end of what is beginning to look like a prequel trilogy started with 2011's Rise.

If so, it's a smart move. After all, the meat of the Planet of the Apes franchise isn't really the struggle between humanity and apes on equal footing; it's what happens once the apes have taken over and, occasionally, what that means for the remaining humans around them. The fact that, by the time of War, the franchise will be three movies into its reboot cycle and still not have actually reached that point feels like a sign that it's time to shift focus and bring what is, essentially, the beginning of the story to a close.

In doing so, War gets to give its audience a conclusion, which has become an increasingly rare happenstance in a marketplace of "shared universes" where mid- and post-credit sequences interrupt movies to remind audiences that there's more to come in a few months. Indeed, should War embrace the apocalyptic ending it's teasing for the human race — and, in doing so, restrain itself and not include an epilogue giddily hinting at a human uprising due to begin in the next movie — then it will manage to have its cake and eat it too: closing one chapter of the series while leaving far more open for future exploration.

In fact, if War offered a decisive climax to the plot threads of the rebooted franchise as it currently stands — which is to say, a decisive victory over humanity — then it arguably positions the franchise for a stronger future than it's enjoyed for some time.

By demonstrating a willingness to play ideas out to their conclusion — and, presumably, sticking the landing — the Planet of the Apes franchise could be freed up to go in any number of directions (A time jump to decades hence, with an aged Caesar ruling over an evolved ape society akin to the one from the original movie; a shorter leap ahead, showing how that society was created; an even greater look ahead, past the time of Caesar altogether) and reinvent itself as needs be — or even fragment to tell multiple such stories in a number of series simultaneously, akin to the shared universe concept so beloved in Hollywood right now.

All of this assumes, of course, that War is headed towards an ending as dramatic as the trailer promises. But even if it doesn't, that too will provide some form of closure to the franchise — albeit that which comes from knowing that the series has stalled, and should perhaps be put out to pasture for a few years until someone can come along with a new idea of where to go next.

A prequel trilogy, after all, has some structure and weight to it. But anything more than that begins to feel as if those involved are afraid of the future. All of Planet of the Apes history has led to this moment; we can but hope that War knows when it's time for the conflict to end.
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Re: War fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby TheBaxter on Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:48 pm

so sorry wrote:

I've said it before, I'll say it again. I can't get past the fact that apes with bow and arrows and rediculous handling of weapons can defeat an army of trained soldiers. Ever.


yeah, who do those apes think they are anyway? ewoks?
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Re: War fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby Fried Gold on Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:20 pm

Peven wrote:at some point they have to remake the original Heston story, though, right? right??

They already showed the Icarus space mission launching in the first movie (and later on show a newspaper headline that suggests the mission was lost in space), so I assume they could use that setup.
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Re: War fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby TheBaxter on Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:01 am

Fried Gold wrote:
Peven wrote:at some point they have to remake the original Heston story, though, right? right??

They already showed the Icarus space mission launching in the first movie (and later on show a newspaper headline that suggests the mission was lost in space), so I assume they could use that setup.


PROTIP: when the spacecraft you are about to take off in is named after a Greek character who flew too close to the sun and ended up crashing to earth and dying, maybe pass on that mission and wait for the next one.
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Re: Planet of the Apes in Space

Postby TheButcher on Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:33 am

TheBaxter wrote:
Fried Gold wrote:
Peven wrote:at some point they have to remake the original Heston story, though, right? right??

They already showed the Icarus space mission launching in the first movie (and later on show a newspaper headline that suggests the mission was lost in space), so I assume they could use that setup.


PROTIP: when the spacecraft you are about to take off in is named after a Greek character who flew too close to the sun and ended up crashing to earth and dying, maybe pass on that mission and wait for the next one.

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Re: War fir the Planet of the Apes

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Re: Planet of the Apps: The BananApocalypse Begins

Postby TheButcher on Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:17 pm

Collider:
‘War for the Planet of the Apes’: Steve Zahn Talks about His New Character “Bad Ape”

Humans Made the Banana Perfect—But Soon, It’ll Be Gone
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Re: Wod fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby TheBaxter on Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:11 am

TheButcher wrote:Collider:
‘War for the Planet of the Apes’: Steve Zahn Talks about His New Character “Bad Ape”


but who's playing Grape Ape?
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Re: Wod fir the Planet of the Apes

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Re: Apes-a-Poppin' 3: The Bananageddon Begins

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Re: Wod fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby TheButcher on Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:31 am

YouTube Jul 5, 2017:
Legacy of the Planet of the Apes Featurette & Trailer (2017)
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Re: Wod fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby TheButcher on Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:05 am

THR July 12, 2017:
Woody Harrelson Gets Insanely Candid on Sex, Drugs, 'Apes' and Those Han Solo Firings
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Re: Wod fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby TheButcher on Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:17 am

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Guillermo del Toro wrote:Go to Planet of the Apes to watch The Shape of Water trailer- attached to 1/3 of the prints!


'Planet of the Apes' Is the Rare Trilogy That's Great
Few franchises are patient enough to craft the buildup to something like 'War.'

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Re: Wod fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby TheButcher on Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:46 am

Empire Podcast:
War For The Planet Of The Apes Spoiler Special With Andy Serkis & Matt Reeves

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Re: Wod fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby Peven on Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:40 pm

since this movie has been out for almost a week it should probably be in Movie Discussion......right?


excellent movie overall, powerful motion capture performance by Serkis, one big comlaint and reeves needs to take the hit for it as much as he is willing to reap all the credit for being a good director.....the ending where Cesar is mortally wounded then lives to make the journey to Canaan, only to die when they reach, and no one knew he was hurt the whole time is straight up weak sauce. shit lazy writing. first, the journey depicted looked to be over the course of at least weeks, if not months. after all, Cesar's son was gone a looong time finding this place. how did Cesar make it all the way when he had been so badly wounded. and second, if he was wounded THAT badly how the fuck did he make the journey without anyone noticing he was bleeding out from an arrow wound in his side? It took me out of the movie, it was nonsense, and took the shine of an otherwise brilliant movie.
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Re: Wod fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby TheButcher on Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:17 am

Deadline August 30, 2017:
Oscars: Fox Plans Big Best Picture Push For ‘War For The Planet Of The Apes’; Peter Chernin Says The Time Has Come
Pete Hammond wrote:EXCLUSIVE: With the six-month-long awards season kicking off today in Venice with the already critically well-received Downsizing (which now heads to Telluride and Toronto along with countless other hopefuls debuting in the fall/holiday corridor so friendly to Oscar contenders), there is one major studio determined to make sure everyone knows their summer blockbuster will also be going for the gold– and they aren’t about to let you forget it.

20th Century Fox will be launching a major effort to land nominations for their July release War For The Planet Of The Apes like no campaign ever before in the half-century since the studio has been producing these movies — beginning in 1968, when the original Planet Of The Apes received a special Oscar for makeup achievement as well as nominations for Costumes and Music Score. Since then, apart from scattered visual effects and makeup nominations, the various sequels and reboots in the Apes universe have been largely ignored by Oscar, despite the studio’s efforts to raise its awards cred, particularly with the most recent trilogy of films that have ended with the current War. That includes past campaigns to land star Andy Serkis, who plays the leader Caesar in a stunningly realized motion capture performance, recognition from the actors branch, but to no avail.

This year they will be taking that further, hoping to land a nomination or award from a critics group or even SAG to get things rolling — and perhaps a concerted effort to get Serkis a special award. But that is just the beginning, as 20th will also target several crafts categories (production design, cinematography, costumes, music, sound, visual effects, makeup, etc.) to try and build a firewall within the Academy for the ultimate Best Picture nomination. With a heavy influx of new members from around the world, there will also be emphasis on the strong international appeal of the film, as well as the fact that it is the finale of Caesar and this critically acclaimed trilogy — the last two directed by Matt Reeves, who will also get a push in the directing and adapted screenplay categories (Reeves co-wrote with Mark Bomback).

In every way Fox will be launching a campaign to “make it about the movie,” as one person associated with the film has told me, and they have also hired a couple of top awards consultants to concentrate on efforts in just getting the film seen by members. They feel, based on response since its opening July 14, that the movie itself will take care of the rest. Of course it doesn’t hurt that Jane Goodall, renowned for her landmark work with chimpanzees, has enthusiastically endorsed the film, and her quotes will be prominently featured in campaign ads.

Peter Chernin, the former Fox chief and a producer of War For The Planet Of The Apes (as well as the first two films in the recent trilogy), says the time has come for serious recognition. “I’m incredibly proud of this movie, and I do believe that on almost any level of storytelling, character development, narrative thrusts, or epic-ness, this is an extraordinary movie,” he told me in a phone conversation this week. “In the past people probably have tended to sort of genre-ize it and sort of look at it, well, as if it is a genre movie and not take it as seriously as they should, and I think that you know our view is that this movie deserves serious consideration. Certainly it’s been made with a level of ambition, care, and attention that’s as meaningful as anything I’ve ever worked on.”

Chernin in fact was personally in the Best Picture race just last year with Fox’s Hidden Figures, and he notes that traditionally the majors have been able to get one or two genre movies into consideration (most recently in 2015, when Mad Max: Fury Road won six Oscars and received 10 nominations including Best Picture and Director). “I think if we can get to that stage, I think we’ve got a good shot, because I think that on a filmmaking basis this is, in my opinion, you know, as impressive as anything that’s come out this year,” he said, adding that if [voters] decide they are going to discount big movies, or studio movies, there’s not a hell of a lot he can do about it.

But like the final film in the Lord Of The Rings trilogy — The Return Of The King, which won 11 Oscars including Best Picture — there are exceptions. A fantasy film had never won up to that point, and then it changed. So far, a science fiction film has never won, but could Apes change that? Or will Warner Bros with an upcoming campaign for its summer smash Wonder Woman be able to tout the first comic book film to land a Best Picture nomination? This year, following one is which the very small and very indie Moonlight took Best Picture, could there be a real reverse game-changer in that regard if voters have an open mind? Certainly with a 93% fresh score at Rotten Tomatoes (the highest ever in the series), and a worldwide gross so far of $360 million to date, the film has its fans.

Chernin just hopes voters will look at the bigger picture and not dismiss it out of hand as just another Apes movie. “I believe that if people take the time to really look at the quality of the filmmaking, this is an extraordinary achievement, and Matt’s done a remarkable job directing,” he said. “With Andy Serkis, I believe it’s one of the great performances I’ve ever seen, and then I think you look at all the key departments. We finished shooting this movie way over a year ago, and so we’ve put tremendous care and attention into every detail trying to make it as artistically ambitious as we possibly could. I would hope people would look at all that.”

Chernin told me he realizes there has been fear in the acting community about the process of motion capture, and that maybe a lack of “understanding” has perhaps hurt Serkis’ chances in the past. But Fox is trying to counter that by showing the process of acting that goes into the performance. “I think his performance has been so universally praised, and I think the studio did a very effective job of putting out some promos,” Chernin said. “We did one of Andy reading a monologue starting as Andy and morphing into Caesar during the reading of that monologue, so I think if it’s a question of this is just new technology and people need to learn to understand it, I actually do think we have a chance. I think the studio’s done a good job of showing people exactly how it’s made, and I do believe that it’s hard to look at that performance — particularly when you peel back the layers and see what Andy had to do underneath it — and not say that’s one of the extraordinary performances of all time.”

Chernin also points out the film has Punky Power and says in that respect voters should respond. “I actually think it’s a very Academy-like movie, and that it is one of the most moral movies that has been made this year. It’s a movie about what is morality about? What is the morality of leadership about? What is one’s soul about? How do you struggle with the balance between one’s fundamental humanity versus the desire for revenge? This is sort of what Caesar is struggling with — he is torn between his desire for revenge and his obligation and his responsibility towards the people he’s leading,” he observed. “In my opinion these are really important themes, the kind of themes the Academy voters have historically responded to.”

Chernin says the philosophical imaginings about what leadership truly means has been integral to this trilogy long before President Donald Trump took office this year, but thinks it provides a template for what moral leadership looks like, so in that regard it couldn’t be more timely.

As for Fox itself, Chernin praises the support from the top down including Stacey Snider, Emma Watts, production, post production, and marketing and distribution. “I think their love, care and devotion has been evident throughout, and you know I think in that sense I know a little bit about these companies. You can organize them to do the appropriate things, but where things go to the next level is where the people inside really love it, and it becomes something personal and passionate for them,” he said.

It looks like big Fox is going to be very busy this season, not only with Apes but also upcoming potential contenders (in one category or another) Murder On The Orient Express, Steven Spielberg’s The Post, The Mountain Between Us and The Greatest Showman (Chernin also has a producer credit on the latter two), in addition to the acclaimed March release Logan which also serves as sort of a poignant elegy for the previous era of X-Men movies and features award-worthy supporting work from Patrick Stewart.

Chernin says that even if this is the end of the Apes trilogy, there likely will be different stories to tell in the future of the 50-year-old franchise. But it was evident early on that Fox thought it had something really special with War For The Planet Of The Apes, doing unusually early (for a summer blockbuster-type film) and frequent press screenings, as well as sending Reeves and others to a series of guild and Academy screenings usually more the fodder of fall contenders.

As one executive told me at the time, “We are really going for it with this one.”
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Re: Wod fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby Ribbons on Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:28 pm

I finally saw this movie and mostly enjoyed it. It's definitely not as good as the second one, which I found to be a perfect parable about tribalism and our inability to get along, but explores the same themes in a somewhat meandering way. It's also more obviously beholden to a couple of specific movies -- a dash of The Searchers here, a pinch of The Great Escape there, with a little Spartacus thrown in for taste. But it's still pretty good.

One question, for anybody who's seen it (SPOILERS): do you think the virus really made humans animal-like, or merely took away their ability to speak? The only three people we see affected are the man who's about to die from a gunshot wound, Woody Harrelson's colonel, who's blind drunk, and Nova, who seems fine. The rest of the information we have about the disease comes from the Colonel, who we already know hates apes and will kill anyone he considers different.
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Re: Wod fir the Planet of the Apes

Postby Peven on Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:25 pm

Ribbons wrote:I finally saw this movie and mostly enjoyed it. It's definitely not as good as the second one, which I found to be a perfect parable about tribalism and our inability to get along, but explores the same themes in a somewhat meandering way. It's also more obviously beholden to a couple of specific movies -- a dash of The Searchers here, a pinch of The Great Escape there, with a little Spartacus thrown in for taste. But it's still pretty good.

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Cesar is Moses, I can't believe you missed that. :-P :wink: no, for realz, the entire trilogy is the story of Ape Moses, the genesis of a culture with a defined morality and law, Ape Moses leading his people out of oppression and ending with him delivering his people to the promised land yet not living long enough to experience it himself. that last shot looking down into the green valley, the promised land, Canaan, with Apes Moses/Cesar on the left side of the screen feels about as classically biblical as any movie these days, imo. coincidentally, Charlton Heston was in both the original Apes movie AND played Moses in The Ten Commandments.
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