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Avengers: Infinity War

PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:42 pm
by Ribbons
Trailer for some thing called MARVEL STUDIOS' AVENGERS INFINITY WAR? I have no idea what this is about but it looks like it could be interesting.


Re: TheButcher's got the Marvel Scoops...(PHASE 3)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:52 pm
by so sorry
Ribbons wrote:Trailer for some thing called MARVEL STUDIOS' AVENGERS INFINITY WAR? I have no idea what this is about but it looks like it could be interesting.




I can recreate that youtube still in emojis:

:x :x :x :mrgreen: :x :x

Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:27 pm
by so sorry
https://io9.gizmodo.com/all-the-hints-and-details-hidden-in-avengers-infinity-1820817197

If you're interested in a frame by frame breakdown of the trailer...

Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:40 pm
by Cpt Kirks 2pay
No thanks.

This film looks soooooo boooooorrrrriiiiiinnnnggggg....

Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:27 pm
by Peven
it is going to be a slaughter. 3 or 4 major character deaths....maybe more

I'm guessing this one could be the longest MCU movie yet, too, they are going to be packing A LOT into one movie.

Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars

PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:24 pm
by so sorry

Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars

PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:59 pm
by Peven
Quill brings the funny :lol:

Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars

PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:47 am
by Ribbons
A bit of Infinity War news that some of you might perhaps find interesting: it won't screen for critics until a mere 3 days before the release date. You will recognize this move as one that studios usually make with movies they know are bad in order to prevent negative word-of-mouth from getting out before opening weekend. In this case, Marvel claims it's been done to "protect the movie's secrets."

https://twitter.com/Russo_Brothers/status/981164646236274688

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars

PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:52 am
by Fried Gold
Ribbons wrote:A bit of Infinity War news that some of you might perhaps find interesting: it won't screen for critics until a mere 3 days before the release date. You will recognize this move as one that studios usually make with movies they know are bad in order to prevent negative word-of-mouth from getting out before opening weekend. In this case, Marvel claims it's been done to "protect the movie's secrets."

https://twitter.com/Russo_Brothers/status/981164646236274688

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Disney have something of a mixed relationship with movie critics/reporters at the moment.

Athough I expect that, with a movie like this, Disney don't really need support from them for it to succeed.

Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars

PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:14 am
by Peven
I think this is a case of a desire for as many people as possible to see it "fresh", without knowing the big surprise/twist that the directors say define the movie. the title of the next Avengers movie isn't being released yet because the title itself is a spoiler for what happens in Infinity War. movie reviewers are hardly a bunch of people that are considered to have either a high degree of ethics or intelligence, so I think the studio is perfectly justified in not trusting them to keep the lid on a big "secret" about a part of the movie which they think will lessen people's enjoyment, and therefore the impact, of the movie. you watch, there will be reviews that spoil "it". but with the reviews released only a few days before opening weekend there will be less people who are unfortunate enough to be exposed.

Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars

PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:51 pm
by TheBaxter
if they want to protect the film's secrets, why put it out for review at all? is it really that much better to have the secrets spoiled 3 days before release instead of a week before release?

Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars

PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:40 pm
by Peven
yes, less time for any spoilerish news to spread

Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:38 pm
by Ribbons
Fried Gold wrote:Disney have something of a mixed relationship with movie critics/reporters at the moment.

Athough I expect that, with a movie like this, Disney don't really need support from them for it to succeed.


On the other hand, it was just announced that Solo will premiere at Cannes. And the last Marvel movie, Black Panther, premiered about three WEEKS before its release date. But whatever the reason not to pre-screen Infinity War, you're right that they don't need critical word-of-mouth to make money on this one: it's already sold more tickets than the last seven Marvel movies combined.

Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:56 am
by Peven
I am leaning toward the theory that Marvel is going for such a high level of secrecy because of the level of character carnage in Infinity War, they are going to be killing off some fan favorites

Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:38 pm
by Ribbons
So Infinity War: The Revenge of the California Raisins is finally upon us. It's the culmination of the last 10 years and 20 movies of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. That's a lot riding on one film and I can't possibly imagine it living up to the hype, but I'm seeing it tonight so I guess I'll find out soon enough. If anybody else wants to comment on Disney's Marvel's Avengers 3, please remember to use spoiler-text.

Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars

PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:16 pm
by Peven
saw this today.

a visual feast for the eyes, great fx, too, overall, imo. excellent job with Thanos.

they did a pretty good job at giving everyine their moment.

they did a fairly good job of going back and forth between groups with the pacing, and yet I think they had SO much they were trying fit in that they sacrificed some emotionaol depth, especially with the Scarlett Witch-Vision relationship.

Thanos is easily the best realized Marvel villain to date with this movie, and a case could easily be made that he is the true protagonist of the movie, this is HIS movie, he has a true arc here.

one scene that is very crucial uses a very cliché plot mechanism that bugged me, but in retrospect I realized that had to go the way it went.....


the after credits scene was very good for what it was, and a nice nod and wink to Captain Marvel as the next big addition to the MCU and a key player in defeating Thanos in Avengers 4

Marvel went all in on this one and showed a commitment to their creative material rarely seen, if ever, by a studio with a cash cow like the Avengers and I have to give them a shitton of credit for it.

it is among the best comic-book/genre movies ever made, but the way they play things in out in 4 will affect the way I look at this movie so I can't say "best", and if 4 is done at this level of quality and they pull this story of without resoring to tired tropes (like some sort of time travel loop to go back and change the past; hello Star Trek...... :roll: ) then that one will be in the running for best ever.

Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:22 pm
by Cpt Kirks 2pay
What's wrong with you gentlemen? This film has been out since last Thursday and so far only me and Peven have seen it and commented on it.

I liked it. It's coherent, fun, greatly paced but also horrific and tragic. You will feel very gutted when you see what happens to your fave or more innocently regarded heroes.

Now Fuck off and watch it!

Re: Avengers: Infinity War

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 7:51 pm
by Ribbons
I have also seen The Infinity Wars.

Re: Avengers: Infinity War

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:28 pm
by Cpt Kirks 2pay
So prey, tell us what you thought about it? Don't just sit there and let me and Peven RULE the Zone as we deserve to! Oppose us - and post!

Re: Avengers: Infinity War

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:52 pm
by Peven
When God in the Old Testament thought mankind had gotten out of hand he sent a flood that wiped out 99.99% of all life. Thanos only wants to cull 50%. I know the writers are aware the types of themes and tropes they are using and I wonder what they "saying" aside from examining "the sacrifices it takes to be a hero", the supposed thematic endeavor of the movie.

Re: Avengers: Infinity War

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:55 pm
by Ribbons
I'm not sure that the negative portrayal of a would-be "God" was intentional in the movie's case, but Jim Starlin certainly had it in mind when he created the character of Thanos.

If you want to discuss one of Infinity War's themes, consider that the acquisition of each Infinity Stone involved the decision whether or not to let someone die: 1) Loki offering up the Space Stone/Tesseract to save Thor's life, 2) Star-Lord attempting to grant Gamora a mercy killing when she falls into Thanos's hands at Knowhere, 3) Thanos sacrificing Gamora's life to get the Soul Stone, 4) Doctor Strange giving Thanos the Time Stone rather than let him kill Tony, and 5) Wanda killing The Vision in order to destroy the Mind Stone. Each of these decisions was made with great difficulty, and some of them were not necessarily the correct or logical ones. The themes or questions in this case being, how do you value life? Would you be able to end a real one to save a hypothetical one? And where is the line between murder and sacrifice?

Re: Avengers: Infinity War

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 6:52 am
by Peven
i'm not so sure that Thano IS a negative portrayal of god by the writers, given that he is a more merciful than God 1.0.

what about the Reality Stone? what was the sacrifice there?

I do think that sacrifice is the key here, though, and as part of that comes the examination of priorities, morality. what is right? what makes a sacrifice holy and what makes one selfish? In Thanos's mind what he did to Gamora is no different than what Quill was willing to do, what Wanda was willing to do; sacrifice the one most dear to their heart in order to serve a greater good. can you say Abraham and the burning bush? Dr Strange didn't act on a principle of faith in sacrifice, though, he acted on knowledge of seeing which path led to the 1 victory for them out of millions of possible outcomes. if the future he saw had shown success after Iron man was killed by Thanos he would have sat there and watch Tony get gauntleted to death.

Re: Avengers: Infinity War

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 7:55 pm
by Ribbons
Peven wrote:what about the Reality Stone? what was the sacrifice there?


That one was Star-Lord deciding to kill Gamora when she fell into Thanos's hands. It ended up not making a difference, especially since the twist immediately afterward was that Thanos had the Reality Stone the whole time and was using it to trick them, but it was of a piece with the rest of the sacrifices in the film.

Your take on Thanos is interesting. IS there a difference between Star-Lord killing Gamora because he loves her and Thanos killing Gamora because he loves her? Peter seems to think so, repeatedly screaming "No you didn't!" when Thanos claims that he had to. I don't know that the story ever comes down on his side (personally I feel like we needed just a little more backstory on Titan), but it certainly asks the characters and the audience to put themselves in his shoes from time to time. I think he's an intriguing figure because of his contradictions. A lesser film would have made him relentlessly violent and cruel, but he's capable of affection and even kindness in random moments, sparing people's lives out of mercy when he has no reason to. Combine that complexity with Josh Brolin's soulful performance and his voice is a hard one to get out of your head.

Re: Avengers: Infinity War

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 9:40 pm
by Peven
Ribbons wrote:
Peven wrote:what about the Reality Stone? what was the sacrifice there?


That one was Star-Lord deciding to kill Gamora when she fell into Thanos's hands. It ended up not making a difference, especially since the twist immediately afterward was that Thanos had the Reality Stone the whole time and was using it to trick them, but it was of a piece with the rest of the sacrifices in the film.

Your take on Thanos is interesting. IS there a difference between Star-Lord killing Gamora because he loves her and Thanos killing Gamora because he loves her? Peter seems to think so, repeatedly screaming "No you didn't!" when Thanos claims that he had to. I don't know that the story ever comes down on his side (personally I feel like we needed just a little more backstory on Titan), but it certainly asks the characters and the audience to put themselves in his shoes from time to time. I think he's an intriguing figure because of his contradictions. A lesser film would have made him relentlessly violent and cruel, but he's capable of affection and even kindness in random moments, sparing people's lives out of mercy when he has no reason to. Combine that complexity with Josh Brolin's soulful performance and his voice is a hard one to get out of your head.



remember in the Reality Stone sequence there was also Gamora crying over the killing of Thanos by her hand, proving that she loved him but was also willing to sacrifice him for the good of the universe.

this question is not a new one by any means. during WWII there was a US pilot who guided his plane into an enemy ship to take out as many as he could on his way out and he was hailed a hero, therewas even a song written about his heroic tale.........but then the Japanese started flying their planes into US ships and all of a sudden personal sacrifice to strike at the enemy was a dastardly, cowardly tactic according to the US point of view. how quickly ideals and principles look different and can be discarded when the "other side" adheres to them. most people are trapped in their little personal provincial perspective where whatever their side does is good and right and whatever the other side does is wrong and evil. i think the writers of Infinity War are playing on that somewhat.

Re: Avengers: Infinity War

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 8:55 am
by Peven
if we want to get all abstract and philosophical then we should give Thanos, the MCU Thanos, credit for being the altruist that he is. when afterlife little girl Gamora asks him how much it cost him he says, "everything" and he means it. he has truly given everything he has, even the one being in the entire universe he truly loved, to accomplish what he thought was best for the universe. he didn't do it for himself. he has nothing at the end of Infinity Wars. his army is gone. he rules over no one, nowhere. he has no riches. no empire. he has sacrificed everything, the only thing he is left with is the sense, the belief, that he has done the right thing, and he is ok with that.


when the Avengers make a sacrifice it is when there is no other choice, when they have nothing left to lose in their mind. is sacrifice in instances like that all that admirable compared to the sacrifice made by someone like Thanos to do the "right" thing when he had no outside threat forcing him to do so, no iminent doom if he didn't? he could have lived an eternity of pretty much doing doing whatever the fuck he wanted; wealth, power, pleasure, etc. and he willingly, without coercion or threat, sacrificed it to do what he believed was the right thing to do by the universe. not for himself. whether you agree with it or not what he did was selfless.

now, some will jump to the conclusion that I am saying that Thanos is "good". i'm not. i'm simply pointing out that concepts and principles that we automatically accept as "good", such as being selfless, following one's belief above all else, dedication, hard work, etc are only "good" to us when they are qualities of an entity we like and agree with. and so maybe we should reexamine the way we elevate these qualities in our society as virtues. "hard working" is one i really get sick of being used to compliment and prop up people. as if being hard working is a virtue. it isn't. all sorts of total pieces of shit throughout history have been very hard working. being hard working didn't elevate them to be better people, being hard working only helped them accomplish more evil in their lives.

Re: Avengers: Infinity War

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 11:00 am
by Ribbons
Meanwhile, Thanos claims another victim:

Man Dies Watching 'Infinity War'

Re: Avengers: Infinity War

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 4:50 pm
by Cpt Kirks 2pay
Ribbons wrote:Meanwhile, Thanos claims another victim:

Man Dies Watching 'Infinity War'


Read about this earlier on midweek. About 4 days ago I think. Slow News Day in the Zone?

#AtLeastTheButcherCameOnTime

Re: Avengers: Infinity War

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:07 pm
by so sorry
Late to the party as always, I saw this over the weekend.

I've missed the last few Marvel movies (spiderman, black panther, GoTG2), but I've been more or less following along on, so I wasn't totally lost. This was fun as hell. And despite the subject matter, still funny at all the right parts. I'm sure they'll release some super duper 4 hour version eventually, there were certainly some spots that looked like things were missing.

Sadly, we all know that a good chunk of these guys aren't really dead, or at least won't be for long.


Also, I've watched Justice League then this back to back in the span of a few weeks....holy shit what a crazy contrast in how to make a superhero team-up movie!