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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Peven on Sun Aug 10, 2008 3:45 pm

just finished watching "Judgment at Nuremberg", made in '61, with Spencer Tracy in the lead as one of the three tribunal judges, Richard Widmark as prosecutor, and Burt Lancaster as one of the German judges on trial. captain Kirk even had a small part as a military court officer. helluva movie. the subject material is handled with a definite moral pov and yet does an excellent job of portraying the complexity of how people may be lead, albeit knowingly, to take part in acts they themselves know to be immoral. the entire issue of how the Germans were to be viewed and treated was handled with as much even-handedness and intelligence as i can ever remember seeing, and yet it doesn't let them off the hook either. not by any stretch. even without any other time to reference or compare this is a top notch film, but watching it now it takes on an even greater significance in what is has to say, imo, because of what has transpired in my own country these last 8 years and how hauntingly similar some of the points of view of Germans justifying what happened under the Nazis are to those points made by the Bush administration and those who have supported them in justifying and rationalizing their actions. a must-see film
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Postby Spandau Belly on Sun Aug 10, 2008 3:49 pm

Peven wrote:i don't know, Pacino. i don't really agree with Belly's assessment of it being as enjoyable as 'Demolition Man" or "Total Recall" or even "Running Man", and i REALLY disagree with any sort of comparison at all to "Soylent Green". imo it is one of Arnie's least watchable movies, down there with "Eraser"

but then...if it is between this and Chuck Norris in "Invasion USA" then watch 6th day, at least it has Bobby Duvall


I'm sorry, I wasn't saying this movie is like Soylent Green in terms of its style, I was comparing Schwarzenheggar's screen presence to Heston's and their straightfaced delivery in totally absurd sci-fi movies as well as their physical presence. I mean, take The Omega Man, I believe Heston as the badass riding around in convertables blowing the fuck out of vampires, but the flashbacks to him in the lab talking science with his lab rat buddies his presence just feels so out-of-place huge in such an everyday environment the same way as Arnold trying to act in typical American family man situations.

And I'll say that The 6th Day is a million times better than Eraser. Eraser was just so tame. You got a couple of good stunts, but a pretty boring formula movie about a cop protecting a lady. The 6th Day has all sorts of hysterical shit going for it: that creepy AI doll that rides along with the hitmen whining for hugs 'n shit, Arnie getting all pissed that his clone is fucking his wife, Michael Rapport fucking that hologram hooker, the hologram hooker's reaction to getting shot, the team of two Arnies, the semi-complete clone running around like a big snotty fetus missing one ear, this movie keeps the absurdity coming at you the whole time. Any of that shit is as funny as the three seashells in my opinion.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Peven on Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:41 pm

there you go, one man's fun movie is another man's reason to change the channel....
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby bastard_robo on Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:55 pm

Went thought a bunch of stuff over the weekend.

Popped in TRANSFORMERS in honor of BERNIE MAC
I wanted to complement that with one of my all time favorite movies so I watched ULTIMATE VERSUS after that
Nibbled on a little bit of JUSTICE LEAGUE and today watched HOT FUZZ
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Peven on Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:07 pm

watching "Stranger Than Fiction", again, a little gem of a movie with Will Farrel, Emma Thompson, Dustin Hoffman, and Maggie G. and i think i like it better each time i watch it, which is saying something since i really liked it the first time. Farrel is good, and should play more "serious" roles, imo(See "Winter Passing" as well), and Maggie is so much more attractive in this than she is in Dark Knight too. not for the cynical or dead of heart, though........
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby burlivesleftnut on Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:53 pm

I saw two films today. The first was OTIS about a studly 40-something whole likes to kidnap teenage girls and force them to live out the dream high school experience his older brother had... then he chops them up. The twist is when teenager Reilly is taken, then escapes. Instead of her parents (played awesomely by Illeana Douglas and Daniel Stern) telling Reilly to give info to the cops so that the serial killer can be busted, mom, pop and Reilly's troubled brother decide to take justice into their own hands. The movie is darkly comic, but not necessarily funny. The first half of the movie is fairly compelling as we deal with Reilly's plight and her parents dealing with a totall inappropriate FBI profiler, but once Reilly escapes, things derail. Although we get a great inversion of torture porn (ala Hostel), I never really felt the parents were in any danger at being arrested for their brutal revenge. The best stuff in the movie is the rather innocent way the titular killer tries to romance Reilly. Sure it's captivity, but Otis is so perpetually awkward. Reilly even senses this, and although she is in danger of abuse, she almost treats Reilly as a mentally disturbed person she just needs to deal with in order to exit her situation. Their relationship climaxes (pun intended) with one of the movies queasiest and funniest moments. I didn't hate the movie, but it had a difficult tone. On one hand you have a 6'5" gorilla of a murder punching teenage girls in the face played for straight horror, but then you have scenes where the parents do things like, say, electrocute someone's asshole which is played totally slapstick. Weird movie. Would only recommend if you're really bored and lame serial killer stuff is your bag.

The other movie I saw was a lot more challenging. The movie The Signal opens with is supposed to be a snipped from another horror movie, when all of the sudden the screen freaks out and we are treated to a psychedelic pattern and noise that proliferates through TVs, radios, cell phones and even land lines. The signal in question turns anyone who hears it into a rage-filled killer, but twistingly enough, not some brain-dead maniac like in standard zombie fair. The movie is broken into three parts, each with their own director, but all three pieces tell an interesting linear story that in its more basic form is about a married woman who runs off from her creepily jealous husband to be with her lover after the Signal turns life in the made up city of "Terminus" into a living nightmare. Each of the three sections deals with one of those characters, and for the most part the movie works pretty well, especially in the first and last sections. The second section tries to ring some comedy out of the premise, but none of it really sticks. One the second section does do is take you inside the mind of these reprogrammed people as they deal with the situation in a variety of ways. It's apparent that their thoughts are no longer their own, and though the impulse to hurt and destroy each other is ever present, their actions are clouded by their own personal issues. I will say that the second section is the most gruesome of the three as we are exposed to a woman being tortured with bug spray and multiple heads being kicked in, but it's really not until the third section where things really take shape as the woman's lover Ben figures out a way to think through the mind control, and then gives the jealous husband the mind-fuck of his life before rescuing his lover. All in all, I enjoyed the tenseness and horror of the movie. Definitely low budget, but some scenes are brilliantly shot, and I have never seen blood as vivid as it did in this movie on my Blu Ray disc. I wished there had been a little more variety in the cast since everyone seems to be late 20s/early 30s.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Peven on Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:18 pm

damn, Burl, was this "Macabre Sunday" at your house? :shock: :lol:
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby burlivesleftnut on Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:11 pm

Peven wrote:damn, Burl, was this "Macabre Sunday" at your house? :shock: :lol:


Well I love horror movies, but my partner doesn't. Sunday is usually the day I catch up on netflix stuff he doesn't want to see while he is off at coffee shops reading the NYTimes sunday edition.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Peven on Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:36 pm

burlivesleftnut wrote:
Peven wrote:damn, Burl, was this "Macabre Sunday" at your house? :shock: :lol:


Well I love horror movies, but my partner doesn't. Sunday is usually the day I catch up on netflix stuff he doesn't want to see while he is off at coffee shops reading the NYTimes sunday edition.



soooo, he's the smart one, eh? :wink: :D
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby burlivesleftnut on Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:37 am

Oh definitely, but so much less creative than I am when it comes to killing hookers.




*smacks head*


I didn't type that out loud, did I?
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby tapehead on Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:51 am

burlivesleftnut wrote:The other movie I saw was a lot more challenging. The movie The Signal opens with is supposed to be a snipped from another horror movie, when all of the sudden the screen freaks out and we are treated to a psychedelic pattern and noise that proliferates through TVs, radios, cell phones and even land lines. The signal in question turns anyone who hears it into a rage-filled killer, but twistingly enough, not some brain-dead maniac like in standard zombie fair. The movie is broken into three parts, each with their own director, but all three pieces tell an interesting linear story that in its more basic form is about a married woman who runs off from her creepily jealous husband to be with her lover after the Signal turns life in the made up city of "Terminus" into a living nightmare. Each of the three sections deals with one of those characters, and for the most part the movie works pretty well, especially in the first and last sections. The second section tries to ring some comedy out of the premise, but none of it really sticks. One the second section does do is take you inside the mind of these reprogrammed people as they deal with the situation in a variety of ways. It's apparent that their thoughts are no longer their own, and though the impulse to hurt and destroy each other is ever present, their actions are clouded by their own personal issues. I will say that the second section is the most gruesome of the three as we are exposed to a woman being tortured with bug spray and multiple heads being kicked in, but it's really not until the third section where things really take shape as the woman's lover Ben figures out a way to think through the mind control, and then gives the jealous husband the mind-fuck of his life before rescuing his lover. All in all, I enjoyed the tenseness and horror of the movie. Definitely low budget, but some scenes are brilliantly shot, and I have never seen blood as vivid as it did in this movie on my Blu Ray disc. I wished there had been a little more variety in the cast since everyone seems to be late 20s/early 30s.


I got the Signal after harry mentioned it in his review for The Happening - sounds cool Burl, I'll be watching it really soon.

We should start a 'Favourite things to do with dead hookers' thread - I've got lots of good cooking tips.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby burlivesleftnut on Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:56 am

Can't wait to hear your thoughts. I found it a pretty effective apocalyptic movie. Reminded me a bit of the Stephen King book Cell, except without the bad plotting, telekinetic zombies and old foagie-ness.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Fawst on Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:19 am

So it turns out that I was wrong, we wound up watching Bourne Ultimatum first rather than last.

The Bourne Ultimatum

Maybe it's just been too long since I saw the last one, but this one picked up in an odd place. Bourne is on the run from some Russian (?) police, and I can't quite tell if it's supposed to be a carry-over from the last film or not. I THOUGHT it was, but then I remembered the ending of the last one, and it was just.. odd. Whatever. I thought this was a nice, tight little thriller/action movie. The shaky-cam was on full display, but it looks like Greengrass learned how to do it without making you want to punch him in the face. Sometimes it worked really well, other times you're like "DUDE, it's a fucking name plaque on a DOOR, does it need to shake and zoom in randomly?!" Overall, it was a cool movie, but the "big reveal" seemed a little too rushed. Like the whole movie was this buildup to... a few minutes of exposition. Yay? Oh well, I'll be happy if they do make another one. Not like they can't, considering how many books there are, and how this one is left off.

The Mist

Hoo, boy. I was a major fan of the short story which I only read for the first time last year, when I heard this was being made. There are some great little nods to King fans in there (obviously the Roland painting, and Carmody's "my life for you" line). I didn't think it was perfect overall, but I thought it was solid. I didn't have issues with the contrary views some characters had like others that have reviewed this. If I were an angry black lawyer, an outsider in a town full of townies, I would think a bit like he did as well. But I always hate it when you have that one guy who just WILL NOT accept what you have to tell them in a movie like this. The pharmacy creeped me the fuck out, mostly due to my fear of those little buggers that were infesting the place. I like that they actually gave you an explanation of what they did at Project Arrowhead. It wasn't too much, it was just enough. And even then, it didn't explain much. It was like "Yah, we did this, but who knows what the fuck we actually DID." The ending... oh my god, the ENDING! I'm firlmy in the "loved it" camp, as much as one can love something so horrific. I won't say any more than that, just in case people haven't seen it/read about it. Suffice to say that my fiancee was NOT in a good mood after watching it.

Which made her mood even worse when we watched

Sunshine

Because that is NOT a happy movie. I liked it a lot, even though parts of it felt very rushed. And I had ONE major issue with it, but that's spoilerish, so I'll discuss it in the actual thread. As far as the film itself goes, it was beautiful. Boyle played with light in many fantastic ways, and I would love to see this one while enjoying some mushrooms of the magical variety. Overall I enjoyed it quite a bit, but I don't have much to say about it other than it starts off looking like a knock-off of Alien, it turns into something more along the lines of U-571, and then it devolves into a bit of Event Horizon. But in good ways, all around.

After returning those, we picked up

The Bank Job

Boy did this one throw me. It started off just OK. It was VERY mediocre. And then it kicks into gear and ramps up, fast. Statham rules, and it's movies like this that make me go "Why do you bother with some of the shit you've done?!" He needs more roles like this. And jesus CHRIST is Saffron Burrows hot. Worth a watch, very much so.

We also picked up

Shoot 'em Up

Based on the first 20 minutes, I'm going to love this. "Eat your vegetables." Fucking awesome. I'll write more when I've actually seen the whole damn thing.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Hermanator X on Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:57 pm

Fawst wrote:The Bourne Ultimatum

Maybe it's just been too long since I saw the last one, but this one picked up in an odd place. Bourne is on the run from some Russian (?) police, and I can't quite tell if it's supposed to be a carry-over from the last film or not. I THOUGHT it was, but then I remembered the ending of the last one, and it was just.. odd. Whatever.


Bourne picks up from after visiting the daughter at the end of the second one. The end phone call from the second movie, is towards the end of ultimatum. If you follow. So basically the majority of ultimatum takes place between the last 2 scenes of supremacy.
...and so forth.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby havocSchultz on Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:23 pm

burlivesleftnut wrote:I saw two films today. The first was OTIS about a studly 40-something whole likes to kidnap teenage girls and force them to live out the dream high school experience his older brother had... then he chops them up. The twist is when teenager Reilly is taken, then escapes. Instead of her parents (played awesomely by Illeana Douglas and Daniel Stern) telling Reilly to give info to the cops so that the serial killer can be busted, mom, pop and Reilly's troubled brother decide to take justice into their own hands. The movie is darkly comic, but not necessarily funny. The first half of the movie is fairly compelling as we deal with Reilly's plight and her parents dealing with a totall inappropriate FBI profiler, but once Reilly escapes, things derail. Although we get a great inversion of torture porn (ala Hostel), I never really felt the parents were in any danger at being arrested for their brutal revenge. The best stuff in the movie is the rather innocent way the titular killer tries to romance Reilly. Sure it's captivity, but Otis is so perpetually awkward. Reilly even senses this, and although she is in danger of abuse, she almost treats Reilly as a mentally disturbed person she just needs to deal with in order to exit her situation. Their relationship climaxes (pun intended) with one of the movies queasiest and funniest moments. I didn't hate the movie, but it had a difficult tone. On one hand you have a 6'5" gorilla of a murder punching teenage girls in the face played for straight horror, but then you have scenes where the parents do things like, say, electrocute someone's asshole which is played totally slapstick. Weird movie. Would only recommend if you're really bored and lame serial killer stuff is your bag.

The other movie I saw was a lot more challenging. The movie The Signal opens with is supposed to be a snipped from another horror movie, when all of the sudden the screen freaks out and we are treated to a psychedelic pattern and noise that proliferates through TVs, radios, cell phones and even land lines. The signal in question turns anyone who hears it into a rage-filled killer, but twistingly enough, not some brain-dead maniac like in standard zombie fair. The movie is broken into three parts, each with their own director, but all three pieces tell an interesting linear story that in its more basic form is about a married woman who runs off from her creepily jealous husband to be with her lover after the Signal turns life in the made up city of "Terminus" into a living nightmare. Each of the three sections deals with one of those characters, and for the most part the movie works pretty well, especially in the first and last sections. The second section tries to ring some comedy out of the premise, but none of it really sticks. One the second section does do is take you inside the mind of these reprogrammed people as they deal with the situation in a variety of ways. It's apparent that their thoughts are no longer their own, and though the impulse to hurt and destroy each other is ever present, their actions are clouded by their own personal issues. I will say that the second section is the most gruesome of the three as we are exposed to a woman being tortured with bug spray and multiple heads being kicked in, but it's really not until the third section where things really take shape as the woman's lover Ben figures out a way to think through the mind control, and then gives the jealous husband the mind-fuck of his life before rescuing his lover. All in all, I enjoyed the tenseness and horror of the movie. Definitely low budget, but some scenes are brilliantly shot, and I have never seen blood as vivid as it did in this movie on my Blu Ray disc. I wished there had been a little more variety in the cast since everyone seems to be late 20s/early 30s.



Otis had its moments...
Anytime a film has such a drastic tonal change, it's tough to pull off...
And I didn't buy into it completely.
But I will second the Stern & Douglas praise...
It's weird seeing the little girl from Growing Pains playing a teenager in here (mostly because she's trying to be sexy/attractive and she still looks like the little fucking kid on Growing Pains...)
And I enjoyed Jere Burns as the cop...

You did seem to enjoy The Signal a little more than me, and a whole lot more than KCBC...

A few pages back:

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Keepcoolbutcare wrote:so I hate to follow up Flumm's astute thoughts on the brilliant Kwaidan with a film that doesn't even deserve to be written up at all...but seeing how we had at least 5 topics started on the damned thing (of which an advanced search returned 0 hits) by various soulless spammers (who should really, really find better ways to spend their precious time), and seeing how one of the pull quotes was from AICN calling it "the future of horror", well, I suppose The Signal deserves a word or two.

crap.

utter crap.

oh sure, it had some moments, but with the hackneyed style (I'm now officially bored with films showing deserted streets in major cities), the all too typical horror reliance on relatively smart characters doing stupid things (so there's mass chaos, people killing each other willy-nilly, and you come across some dude taped to a chair...why oh sweet merciful Zeus why would you untape them? Ya' think maybe, just maybe, someone might've tied 'em up for a reason?), and the schizophrenic plotting (3 writer-directors each handle one of the three segments of the film), The Signal gamely tries but can't raise itself above it's limitations.

I kinda liked the middle segment best, as whichever writer-director who handled that bit showed some solid comedic chops for a little while until the plot contrivances kicked in, but overall, I give The Signal the finger.

the middle one, in case you were wondering.


I will agree with a lot of what you're saying...
I didn't hate it as much as you did...but I might've had some better dope...so who knows...

I agree that the middle was the highlight for the most part...even though it felt out of place in the film...
The opening was kinda cool...with the bad horror film scene opening it up...and the initial outburst of violence in the hallway, with the garden shears, was kinda nice...

The 3rd segment for the most part was up it's own ass...and it really made everything even more pointless...

I will also agree with the stupid decisions complaint...another one I'll throw in was the girl throwing her discman on and cranking the tunes while she's trying to escape...
Because who needs to hear what's going on when you're surrounded by psychos...?

I would've liked to see a much more distinctive style from all 3 filmmakers for each of their segments...
Otherwise it just feels like it doesn't know exactly what kind of film it wants to be...
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby tapehead on Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:10 am

I just watched The Signal - and noticing that each of the three chapters was written and directed by someone different does explain a few things. However I thought it was pretty good - while it followed a few conventions of the genre that have been complained about by some (KC) it doesn't fall into too many clichés, and the black, gruesome humour that's evident in the second part makes the whole trip worthwhile for me. It's not a new premise (some mystery factor starts to turn everyone crazy overnight), and I thought it perhaps owes a debt to Romero's 'The Crazies' most of all (in fact I probably like it better than that film), but the way in which the film reveals how people are experiencing the influence of 'the signal' is pretty well done, and eventually some characters in the piece become distinct and pretty interesting to watch (I wanted to see more of Clarke, and maybe what happened to him). I'm a sucker for low budget horror that succeeds to get things done with very little, and The Signal succeeds on that score - there's little effects budget evident here, but the simple trippy video of 'the signal' and the practical gore on display, with just a few cgi shots work well in service of the simple, if occasionally slightly confused story being told.

Really hope these guys have enough success with the film to do another picture.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Spandau Belly on Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:02 am

The Tracey Fragments

This is a Canadian drama feature starring Ellen Page as troubled youth who runs away from her dysfunctional family and ultimately becomes homeless and gets preyed upon by various sickos. It is somewhere between The Heart Is Deceitful Above All Things and Into The Wild, if you liked both those movies then you'll probably like this too.

My main problem with Into The Wild was the structure of using a fractured timeline. I usually dislike movies that use this structure because it acts as a barrier keeping me from getting into the movie because I always feel like I am being deceived and that key information is being withheld that will change the context of what I'm watching. I thought that both Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill used this structure well and I like both those movies and didn't feel like I was being jerked around during those films because even though the scenes were shown out of order, no key plot points were being purposefully hidden from me. But for the most part I dislike this approach.

The Tracey Fragments also uses the fractured timeline structure and it definately put a distance between me and the film, and it also withheld the key plot point until the last scene. Director Bruce MacDonald also employs a very fascinating visual style of stream of consciousness via cubism. Throughout the whole movie the screen is split frequently four or five ways showing different angles on the scene we're watching as well as other things Ellen Page/Tracey might be thinking about. MacDonald creates some really striking collages on the screen and it is very powerful visually, but again it kinda kept me from getting invested in the drama. Ellen Page gives a really good performance, but her performance is at odds with this style because the visuals and storytelling are designed to obscure the plot so much. I have a buddy who loves that movie Timecode purely for its technical achievement but admits the story was somewhat lucklustre, so if you're interested in films that achieve on a technical visual level, this would be worth checking out. It seems more like something Lars Von Tier would think up. Pretty ambitious stuff.

Compared to Into The Wild, this story is probably a lot more typical. I realize that Into The Wild was based on a true story, but it was in my opinion, it was a very unique story about an intellectual rich young man with a bright future who was already living on his own away from his dysfunctional family when he chose to become a hobo. The Tracey Fragments is probably a lot more typical of the type of troubled socially-isolated youths that end up on the streets, and therefore maybe a bit less interesting.

So overall I have pretty mixed feelings on this film. I thought the performance was good and the story was compelling, but I thought it was obscured by such an aggressive cubist stream of consciousness approach, which I'll admit I found fascinating. I know it sounds weird to say that I admired a film's style and story individually but found them at odds with each other, but that's honestly how I felt.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Chris a.k.a StuntMike on Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:27 am

Bruce Macdonald doesn't do it for me. Except Hard Core Logo, which is so dead-on fucking accurate as far as being in a band and touring Western Canada, it's scary. Believe me, I've done it. It sucks.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Spandau Belly on Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:51 am

As for Bruce MacDonald, I'm probably in the same boat of just not being a huge enthusiat for the bulk of his work.

I remember seeing Roadkill and Highway 61 when I was like 13 years old and loving them, then seeing them a couple years later and finding them really student filmy, but I've got this feeling that if I saw them again now I might re-appreciate them for what they achieved with their budget and in a time when Canadian film was pretty much dead. I dunno. It's weird because I had it in my head for a long time that Don Mckellar directed those movies, but he didn't. I think MacDonald pretty much adapts to the scripts he works with, none of his movies really look alike and he doesn't write them so I find it hard to have big feelings on the guy.

I liked Hard Core Logo the one time I saw it, and I'll take your word for it being accurate since I have no experience in the music 'business'.

And even though I can't really recommend The Tracey Fragments, I wouldn't really fight anybody who said they liked it.

I also won't rule out the idea of this guy eventually making a movie I really click with.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Peven on Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:23 pm

watched a movie last night called "Kontroll", set entirely underground in a subway. the city is never identified, and as surreal as the movie is i doubt there is an intention for it to be based on any real city's metro, though the movie is Bulgarian-made, with English subtitles, so it has an eastern European feel to it. the main character has abandoned living above ground, working as a ticket/paper checker, walking around the platform asking people to prove they have bought a ticket, a red armband his only uniform to signify his position, a position that garners little respect and much disdain. even when not working he doesn't go above ground. the team of checkers he works with are a quirky lot, each handling the public in their own screwy way. then add to this a serial killer pushing people in front of trains. it is a trippy little flick, and one with definite symbolism and something to say about the human condition and existentialism. the symbolism in the last shot is pretty obvious, but i dug it and think it works completely.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Al Shut on Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:53 pm

Boy do I love this movie.

I was about to say the city is Budapest, were it was shot, but checking it to not make a stupid mistake I now read the name of the stations in the movie have been deliberately obscured so it could be anywhere. Must check this myself.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby caruso_stalker217 on Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:04 pm

I bought THE SIXTH SENSE recently since I hadn't seen it in a couple years and I have to say this shit still holds up. Not only does it creep me out, it also touches my heart and whatnot. That scene at the end with Haley Joel Hasbeen and Toni Colette in the car makes me tear up every time. It sickens me.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Spandau Belly on Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:10 pm

My Oleg buddies and I have a little film club and Kontroll was my pick for this round, so far nobody else has watched it.

I really like this movie, I loved it when it first came out but feared it wouldn't be so good the second time. But I watched it again recently to prepare for the Oleg movie club discussion and I still really loved it. I'd say at times it might get a little too Trainspottingish and the montage where they all get psycoanalyzed is kinda unnecessary and reminds me of a similiar scene in Michael Bay's Armageddon, but overall it's got great energy, lots of memorable moments and it actually ties up all the weird plotlines it starts.

And you can take it as symbollically as you want. I could actually see somebody enjoying this movie and taking it completely literally. I see it as a metaphor for depression and that the metro is this dude's depression that he's stuck in.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Peven on Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:16 pm

well, one BIG loose end isn't really tied up the serial killer isn't caught and we never even see his face

i think your depression angle is a pretty good one, now that i think about it, but not the one i came away with. think about the costume the chick is wearing as they ascend the escalator, up into the light
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby caruso_stalker217 on Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:17 pm

I've got KONTROLL on my Netflix queue, Spandau. I need to get around to watching METROPOLIS first, though, so I can send it back. It's been sitting on my coffee table for about three weeks now.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Al Shut on Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:19 pm

Peven wrote:well, one BIG loose end isn't really tied up the serial killer isn't caught and we never even see his face



wasn't he run over by a metro when he was chasing Bulcsu?
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Spandau Belly on Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:23 pm

Peven, doesn't the lead guy beat the serial killer at that running down the tracks game 'railing' and the serial killer gets killed by the train?

Caruso, I wasn't trying to give you guys a kick in the ass or anything, it's just funny that Peven chose to watch this. I rarely hear anybody talk about this movie and it's not new and so it was pretty weird or ironic or whatever.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Peven on Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:25 pm

Al Shut wrote:
Peven wrote:well, one BIG loose end isn't really tied up the serial killer isn't caught and we never even see his face



wasn't he run over by a metro when he was chasing Bulcsu?



that is rather ambiguous, imo. he might have, but then the train didn't blow its horn or stop the way it did when other people were hit, so i thought it left things open. it was almost as if it didn't matter to the story if the guy was caught or not, only his effect on Bulsci, and as soon as Bulsci goes up into the world and leaves the metro behind he is leaving behind everything down there, including the killer and what he represented in Bulsci psyche
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby caruso_stalker217 on Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:26 pm

Spandau Belly wrote:Caruso, I wasn't trying to give you guys a kick in the ass or anything, it's just funny that Peven chose to watch this. I rarely hear anybody talk about this movie and it's not new and so it was pretty weird or ironic or whatever.


I know that wasn't your intention, but it was a good reminder since I'd forgotten about it.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Al Shut on Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:30 pm

Peven wrote: it was almost as if it didn't matter to the story if the guy was caught or not, only his effect on Bulsci, and as soon as Bulsci goes up into the world and leaves the metro behind he is leaving behind everything down there, including the killer and what he represented in Bulsci psyche


I would have said beating the killer in the race was what enabled him to leave in the first place
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Peven on Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:32 pm

Al Shut wrote:
Peven wrote: it was almost as if it didn't matter to the story if the guy was caught or not, only his effect on Bulsci, and as soon as Bulsci goes up into the world and leaves the metro behind he is leaving behind everything down there, including the killer and what he represented in Bulsci psyche


I would have said beating the killer in the race was what enabled him to leave in the first place


yeah, i agree with that. it didn't matter if the guy had been killed or not, only that Bulsci had escaped



edit oooorrr, maybe he didn't really escape, maybe the serial killer represented Death, and at the end of running from Death he winds up with the girl, dressed as an angel, who leads him up in to the light. see what i am saying? just one of the odd thoughts that were bouncing around in my head as the credits rolled
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Peven on Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:21 am

caught the second half of a movie called "Johnny Was" on BBC America yesterday, with Vinnie Jones in the lead role as an ex-con, involved in the Irish-British conflict somehow i think, like i said i missed the first half. he was actually alright in it and what i saw of the movie was mildly entertaining. the cast included Lennox Lewis and Roger Daltry of all people. it peaked my interest enough to look for when it comes on again so i can see it in its entirety. as it is, i would give what i saw a 6.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby burlivesleftnut on Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:13 pm

Spandau Belly wrote:The Tracey Fragments

This is a Canadian drama feature starring Ellen Page as troubled youth who runs away from her dysfunctional family and ultimately becomes homeless and gets preyed upon by various sickos. It is somewhere between The Heart Is Deceitful Above All Things and Into The Wild, if you liked both those movies then you'll probably like this too.

My main problem with Into The Wild was the structure of using a fractured timeline. I usually dislike movies that use this structure because it acts as a barrier keeping me from getting into the movie because I always feel like I am being deceived and that key information is being withheld that will change the context of what I'm watching. I thought that both Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill used this structure well and I like both those movies and didn't feel like I was being jerked around during those films because even though the scenes were shown out of order, no key plot points were being purposefully hidden from me. But for the most part I dislike this approach.

The Tracey Fragments also uses the fractured timeline structure and it definately put a distance between me and the film, and it also withheld the key plot point until the last scene. Director Bruce MacDonald also employs a very fascinating visual style of stream of consciousness via cubism. Throughout the whole movie the screen is split frequently four or five ways showing different angles on the scene we're watching as well as other things Ellen Page/Tracey might be thinking about. MacDonald creates some really striking collages on the screen and it is very powerful visually, but again it kinda kept me from getting invested in the drama. Ellen Page gives a really good performance, but her performance is at odds with this style because the visuals and storytelling are designed to obscure the plot so much. I have a buddy who loves that movie Timecode purely for its technical achievement but admits the story was somewhat lucklustre, so if you're interested in films that achieve on a technical visual level, this would be worth checking out. It seems more like something Lars Von Tier would think up. Pretty ambitious stuff.

Compared to Into The Wild, this story is probably a lot more typical. I realize that Into The Wild was based on a true story, but it was in my opinion, it was a very unique story about an intellectual rich young man with a bright future who was already living on his own away from his dysfunctional family when he chose to become a hobo. The Tracey Fragments is probably a lot more typical of the type of troubled socially-isolated youths that end up on the streets, and therefore maybe a bit less interesting.

So overall I have pretty mixed feelings on this film. I thought the performance was good and the story was compelling, but I thought it was obscured by such an aggressive cubist stream of consciousness approach, which I'll admit I found fascinating. I know it sounds weird to say that I admired a film's style and story individually but found them at odds with each other, but that's honestly how I felt.


Just watched this last night. Pointless, is the first word that comes to mind. Pretentious is the second. It wasn't all bad. The performance from Ellen Page was stellar, and some of the nifty editing/split-screen work is visually challenging and stimulating, but ultimately I felt it served no purpose.

It's weird within a week I saw this and the similarly themed Duck, with Philip Baker Hall. Duck is about a man evicted from his apartment after the death of his wife, and in the process a duckling adopts him as his "mom". The two venture across L.A. in search of ... something? I dunno, but it was a bummer of a movie, and so was Tracey Fragments.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Peven on Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:38 pm

watched "Ride With the Devil" tonight, a movie about the bushwackers of Missouri and Kansas who fought for the south in the Civil War but were not regular army and used guerrilla tactics. one of my favorite Civil War movies. it holds up really well under repeat viewings, for me at least. the fact that it is a rather small movie set against such an expansive event as the Civil War is a big part of the appeal for me. the way Ang Lee handles Rodell's(Toby McGuire) coming of age and shift in perception of the war, "the cause", is unmistakably clear without being heavy-handed or cliche. Toby McGuire does excellent work, imo, as does most the supporting cast. Skeet Ulrich is even better than passable in his role as Rodell's best friend. Jewel is even ok in her part. the guy who almost steals the movie, though, is Jeffrey Wright, who plays Holt, a slave who fights alongside the pro-south bushwackers. for those not familiar with his work, he was CIA agent Felix Leiter in "Casino Royal". anyway, his work here is really great and his scenes with McGuire are the best parts of the movie. imo this film is an essential part of any Civil War movie collection
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby burlivesleftnut on Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:06 am

Just saw Night Watch and Day Watch. WTF, guys? Overrated much? The movies had some cool ideas and visuals, but little of it made any sense, and could they have found a more uncharismatic person to play the lead, Anton? Perhaps that was part of the films charm, but I couldn't see this guy getting across the street without getting nailed by a Pravda delivery van let alone avert the forces of darkness at every turn. The movie gets props for having a total daddy hottie play the leader of the Night Watch. I'd like that Gesser fella trussed up like a turkey at my christmas table. Mmmmm. Althought he only had one LOOK the entire move. The "I know more than you look and it humors me".

The movies were not a complete waste of time, but CLOSE!.


Also saw Before The Devil Knows You're Dead this weekend. Also pointless. Can anyone tell me what direction they gave Marisa Tomeii in this over rated piece of shit? "Marissa baby, puff your lips up and act like daddy won't by you your candy." Or why we would care about any of the characters at all? I mean Phillip Seymour Hoffman was a drug addicted douche who embezzled money from work. His one bright idea is to rob his own parents jewelry store? The hell? Then you have Ethan Hawke as effiminate as ever playing a loser. We know this because he doesn't shave and sleeps with his brothers wife. Then you have the mom, who is an old lady, so wtf should we care about her. Then Albert Finney in full "it appears I've had a stroke" mode bugging his eyes out at the screen like Anthony Hopkins in Legends From the Fall. The only thing that would have made this movie better would have been if Phillip, Ethan, Albert, Marisa and Aunt May worked out their differences by accidentally falling into a sausage press. But NO, Sidney Lumet makes it worse by puzzlingly telling the story with some kind of nonsensical fractured timeline. GO TO HELL YOU STUPID MOVIE!
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Pacino86845 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:25 am

I watched Night Watch not too long ago and I agree with your sentiments Burl... I don't know if they're "overrated" as I haven't read much about the films, but the director is becoming a name in Hollywood now (he directed the sadly lucrative Wanted) so I guess people must have paid attention to these films after all. Besides a few interesting visuals and the general sense of weirdness, I thought Night Watch was really weak.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Peven on Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:57 am

Pacino86845 wrote:I watched Night Watch not too long ago and I agree with your sentiments Burl... I don't know if they're "overrated" as I haven't read much about the films, but the director is becoming a name in Hollywood now (he directed the sadly lucrative Wanted) so I guess people must have paid attention to these films after all. Besides a few interesting visuals and the general sense of weirdness, I thought Night Watch was really weak.


i remember it having some cool visuals and an idea here and there that was intriguing but overall kind of a mess storywise and if i am not mistaken i gave it a 5 on here.
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Postby Pacino86845 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:56 am

That sounds about right, though I would probably give it a 4 out of 10... tarnation, that story was a mess!

EDIT: Also I will add that Timur Bekmambetov is Russia/Kazakhstan's answer to Michael Bay... BUT DAMN IT, MICHAEL BAY IS NOT A QUESTION!!!
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby caruso_stalker217 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:11 am

I watched SUPERMAN for the first time in many years. And holy shit is that a good movie. I mean they try to make the films today that are huge spectacles and whatnot, but SUPERMAN actually succeeds at making you say, "Holy shit!" This had to be one expensive goddamn movie and it's a testament to the motherfuckers who made it that I can watch a thirty-year old film that hasn't dated a bit outside of its special effects and say "Holy shit, this is a good movie."
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby travis-dane on Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:06 am

caruso_stalker217 wrote:I watched SUPERMAN for the first time in many years. And holy shit is that a good movie. I mean they try to make the films today that are huge spectacles and whatnot, but SUPERMAN actually succeeds at making you say, "Holy shit!" This had to be one expensive goddamn movie and it's a testament to the motherfuckers who made it that I can watch a thirty-year old film that hasn't dated a bit outside of its special effects and say "Holy shit, this is a good movie."


Amen BROTHA!
I even love the "Time turning" thingy......only Superman can do that shit!
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Peven on Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:38 am

travis-dane wrote:
caruso_stalker217 wrote:I watched SUPERMAN for the first time in many years. And holy shit is that a good movie. I mean they try to make the films today that are huge spectacles and whatnot, but SUPERMAN actually succeeds at making you say, "Holy shit!" This had to be one expensive goddamn movie and it's a testament to the motherfuckers who made it that I can watch a thirty-year old film that hasn't dated a bit outside of its special effects and say "Holy shit, this is a good movie."


Amen BROTHA!
I even love the "Time turning" thingy......only Superman can do that shit!
and the music....


so i guess that is 2 votes in favor of "Superman:the rom-com" :-P :wink:
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Spandau Belly on Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:18 am

I watched All The King's Men last night. It was a film about the self-made-man-destroyed-by-ambition in the vein of There Will Be Blood, Citizen Kane, and King of New York.

It's a pretty good movie. The characterization is good and I think it's a lot more accessible to average people than Kane or Blood because the main character doesn't go as crazy, he just turns into the gangster he started out opposing. There's some good stuff with the main character flailing around drunk in his giant mansion, but no bowling pin comes out. I definately lean more to the type where the lead goes a little nuts.

This movie has a lot of the hallmarks of those old B&W movies where a lot of the scenes are really rushed and the dialogue is really obvious. The direction definately doesn't have any visual flair or real atmosphere. Scenes frequently start and end cutting somebody's line and there are very few establishing shots or lead ins.

That being said, the story is good. And it's a good depiction of how a man builds himself into a myth and starts to believe it. I also liked its depicition of the fickle relationship the public has with its leaders.

I understand that this film was remade using colour film technology, starring Sean Penn in the lead role, and a bunch of English actors in all the supporting roles faking Southern American accents. I'm pretty sure I don't want to see that.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Peven on Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:32 pm

just finished watching "Charlie Varrick", starring Walter Matthau in the title role, a 70's crime movie set in Nevada where Matthau and his crew rob a bank without knowing it is mob-owned and, of course, are then the target for the mob and their western-styled hitman/punisher, played with relish by Joe Don Baker. a classic style 70's flick, the kind that Tarantino draws from, where the men are men and the women are......well, sluts. we are talking about some seriously dated mysogynism in one scene involving Joe Don's character, who is called Molly ironically enough, along with Matthau bedding some high class executive mob secretary after he breaks into her apartment to call her boss. i mean, she doesn't know him from jack, and an hour later she is screwing him and telling him to be careful and not trust her boss. aahhh, those glorious 70's, where even a guy who looked like Matthau could get a fine piece of tail with almost no effort at all. anyway, starting with the heist itself the members of Matthau's little cadre start dropping and by the end of the movie it is just Matthau left to deal with the mob, specifically the regional boss, played by John Vernon(Dean Wormer in Animal House) and Joe Don Baker's hitman. Matthau plays the part cool as a cucumber, playing Varrick as that slick calm type who is never surprised or caught off guard, always a step ahead of the opposition.
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby Chris a.k.a StuntMike on Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:05 pm

Such a great movie. Andy Robinson plays yet another sniveling weasel.
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Postby Peven on Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:14 pm

Chris a.k.a StuntMike wrote:Such a great movie. Andy Robinson plays yet another sniveling weasel.
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the guy just had a face, and voice, for those types of roles, didn't he?
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby caruso_stalker217 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:28 am

I watched GALAXY QUEST for the second time in my life. I first saw it when it came out on the now obsolete VHS format. And holy shit the internet is right. This thing is some sort of classic. I think I enjoyed it more now that I'm older, which is strange since it's aimed at a slightly youngerish crowd and I was thirteen or some goddamn thing when it came out. Stan Winston's alien critters look great and hold up well (no shit), Tim Allen is actually good, Sigourney Weaver is hotter with the blond hair than I remember, Missi Pyle is really goddamn hot as the alien lady, Shalhoub and Sam Rockwell and Veronica Mars' dad turn in hilarious performances in supporting roles, Justin Long, and Alan Rickman is playing himself at this present time as a real actor doing bullshit Harold Porter movies (only swap Harold Porter for a fake Star Trek show). What really surprised me is how the drama works. The dumbfuck aliens are so naive and moronic you have to feel sorry for them. Especially in the scenes where you're supposed to. The basic premise might be "THREE AMIGOS in space" but it's more than that. It's like "STAR TREK in space, but as THREE AMIGOS."

Which got me thinking. How cool/completely stupid would it have been if for some reason somebody had made a movie starring the original cast of STAR TREK playing themselves and they get abducted by aliens to save their planet or some goddamn bullshit? You know, like the fucking MY NAME IS BRUCE. I mean, that's what this is right? It's fucking STAR TREK meets THREE AMIGOS meets ALIEN meets HOME IMPROVEMENT meets HAROLD PORTER meets Alan Rickman.

Anyway, I really liked it. I want to buy the score on on the not-yet-obsolete CD format, but Amazon doesn't have it in stock. You can buy it used through another seller... for $275. Can you fucking believe that?
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Re: What have you been watching? (DVD or Films on TV)

Postby DerLanghaarige on Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:12 pm

I fucking love Galaxy Quest. It's the greatest comedy since Ghostbusters! And Sam Rockwell, Alan Rickman and Enrico Colantoni are fucking hilarious. :lol:
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Postby travis-dane on Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:54 pm

DerLanghaarige wrote:I fucking love Galaxy Quest. It's the greatest comedy since Ghostbusters! And Sam Rockwell, Alan Rickman and Enrico Colantoni are fucking hilarious. :lol:


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I watched this last night.......

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Postby DerLanghaarige on Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:45 am

So I watched Razorback yesterday and I liked it, but not as much as I expected. It's a fucking surreal movie and I'm not just talking about the long halluscination in the middle of it. The whole thing makes Australia look like a whole different planet. While watching it, I decided to never go to australia. Another thing I liked, is that it takes several unexpected directions.Like first you see how the kid gets killed and you think: "Okay, so it's about the grandpa and his search for the monster pig." WRONG! Then you see how the reporter heads to australia to investigate some kangaroo killing and you think: "Okay, now she is the hero and probably teams up with the old guy." WRONG! Then it's about her husband, who tries to find out what happened to her and when Grandpa Pigkiller tells him that she got eaten, you think: "Okay, now he's seeking revenge." WRONG! Although not THAT wrong.
My main problem was, that it had some lengths in the middle part and that only the beginning is real scary. But yes, It's a good movie. Not Russel Mulcahy's best, but definitely one of them.
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