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Betamax and beyond

How will you be watching movies in the future?

DVD?
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HD-DVD?
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EVD?
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1%
Holographic Optical Recording Technology?
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OLDSCHOOL BABY! Betamax/VHS?
2
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Projected onto your eyelids by your new 3D magic-movie eye?
2
3%
In the gorram CINEMA, all this tech costs tooo much........
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Postby stereosforgeeks on Thu May 08, 2008 9:33 am

Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:*comes running back in*

Just a second, let me catch my breath.

Whew.

I am now officially shopping for a new TV and a Blu-ray player.

*sits down*

Can someone get me a glass of water?


Glad to hear it Tyrone.

The priced to match their standard definition stuff is the key factor but makes sense consider theyve been using HD technology for for mastering and corrections for years then compressing to fit on DVD.
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Postby Tyrone_Shoelaces on Thu May 08, 2008 4:33 pm

Just wanted to post the little bit of artwork that was in the e-mail announcement. No idea if the logo will be on the actual releases but I think it looks pretty cool.


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Postby King Psyz on Thu May 08, 2008 4:34 pm

i love it, retro but new and minimalist
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Postby Fried Gold on Tue May 13, 2008 6:43 pm

Reading about the Japanese Lunar spacecraft "Kaguya", I found out that it was at one time going to be a testbed for UHDV - Ultra High Definition Video. In the end it proved to o costly for the budget and JAXA included HDTV cameras instead. NHK (who paid to have the HD cameras onboard the spacecraft) had to build a prototype system from scratch as very little in the field had been tried.

The spec of the prototype system had a resolution of 7680×4320 pixels at 60 frames per second. The UHDV format is four times as wide and four times as high as current HDTV, used a camera built from four 2.5 inch CCDs and used 16 HD recorders.

The 18 minutes of UHDV test footage took up 3.5 terabytes of data. When they got a test audience to view the footage, most of them got motion sickness because the image was too good and so close to reality.


Blu-Ray is out of date...
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Postby stereosforgeeks on Tue May 13, 2008 6:56 pm

Fried Gold wrote:Reading about the Japanese Lunar spacecraft "Kaguya", I found out that it was at one time going to be a testbed for UHDV - Ultra High Definition Video. In the end it proved to o costly for the budget and JAXA included HDTV cameras instead. NHK (who paid to have the HD cameras onboard the spacecraft) had to build a prototype system from scratch as very little in the field had been tried.

The spec of the prototype system had a resolution of 7680×4320 pixels at 60 frames per second. The UHDV format is four times as wide and four times as high as current HDTV, used a camera built from four 2.5 inch CCDs and used 16 HD recorders.

The 18 minutes of UHDV test footage took up 3.5 terabytes of data. When they got a test audience to view the footage, most of them got motion sickness because the image was too good and so close to reality.


Blu-Ray is out of date...


UHDV FTW?
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Postby Fievel on Tue May 13, 2008 7:52 pm

Fried Gold wrote:The 18 minutes of UHDV test footage took up 3.5 terabytes of data.


So.... I guess now is a good time to stop using my 5.25" floppy drive....
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Postby Fried Gold on Wed May 14, 2008 9:12 am

Yeah you should really have upgraded to a Zip100 drive by now.
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Postby Tyrone_Shoelaces on Wed May 14, 2008 1:42 pm

I noticed the other day that the local Wal-Mart is moving/expanding the Blu-ray section. Be nice if there was an announcement about them carrying players soon.
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Postby LeFlambeur on Tue May 20, 2008 7:46 pm

Here's an interesting article about a certain "visual noise" many are finding in Blu-Ray discs. The culprit: film grain.
This is the issue that enthusiasts and the studios are going to have to make an effort to explain to consumers who are new to Blu-ray and high-definition in general. Unfortunately, what seems to happening right now is that the studio marketing folks are conducting focus groups with new Blu-ray consumers, who are saying they want perfect pictures every time. As a result, a few of the Hollywood studios are currently A) using excessive Digital Noise Reduction to completely scrub film grain from their Blu-ray releases, or B) not releasing as many older catalog titles as they might otherwise for fear that people will complain about grain. Some studios are even going so far as to scrub the grain out of NEW releases that have been shot on film. Case in point: New Line's Pan's Labyrinth Blu-ray Disc. When I saw this film in the theaters, it was dark and gritty. The grain was a deliberate stylistic choice - part of the artistic character of the film. New Line's Blu-ray, on the other hand, is sparkly and glossy - almost entirely grain-free. So much fine detail has been removed that the faces of characters actually look waxy. Everyone looks like a plastic doll.
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Postby RogueScribner on Tue May 20, 2008 8:24 pm

One thing that has kept me from jumping on the hi-def bandwagon so soon (other than the format war and the cost) is the fear that a lot of visual flaws will become more apparent on BD. I'd like to keep my rose-colored glasses on for a tad longer. Maybe when the BD library expands greatly and a lot of older films received new transfers I'll feel better about the jump.
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Postby Bob Samonkey on Tue May 20, 2008 8:25 pm

The one thing that has kept me from doing it is a lack of money...
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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Tue May 20, 2008 11:40 pm

LeFlambeur wrote:The culprit: film grain.


GRAAAAAAIIIIIINNNNNAAAAAGGGGE!!!!

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Postby sonnyboo on Thu May 22, 2008 10:15 pm

Okay, if BLURAY is so freakin' great, why is it 25% of the blu ray discs I get from Netflix don't play at all?

Every time I plug in the internet, check for a Play Station 3 update. Either way, the discs don't play. The discs are clean, no scratches or anything on them.

Nope, "UNABLE TO PLAY THIS DISC" message.

What a crock! I get ripped off either way.
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Re: GLITCHES

Postby stereosforgeeks on Thu May 22, 2008 10:31 pm

sonnyboo wrote:Okay, if BLURAY is so freakin' great, why is it 25% of the blu ray discs I get from Netflix don't play at all?

Every time I plug in the internet, check for a Play Station 3 update. Either way, the discs don't play. The discs are clean, no scratches or anything on them.

Nope, "UNABLE TO PLAY THIS DISC" message.

What a crock! I get ripped off either way.


Havent had that problem once...
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Postby Fievel on Thu May 22, 2008 11:58 pm

HAHAHA!
They sent you the HD-DVDs!!



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Re: GLITCHES

Postby Bob Samonkey on Fri May 23, 2008 12:03 am

sonnyboo wrote:Okay, if BLURAY is so freakin' great, why is it 25% of the blu ray discs I get from Netflix don't play at all?

Every time I plug in the internet, check for a Play Station 3 update. Either way, the discs don't play. The discs are clean, no scratches or anything on them.

Nope, "UNABLE TO PLAY THIS DISC" message.

What a crock! I get ripped off either way.


Sounds like a PS2 issue...
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Postby AtomicHyperbole on Fri May 23, 2008 4:50 am

Yeah, I'd recommend using a PS3 instead.
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Postby sonnyboo on Fri May 23, 2008 7:53 pm

AtomicHyperbole wrote:Yeah, I'd recommend using a PS3 instead.


Yeah, I kinda wrote Play Station 3 in MY post...

It happened with PIRATES OF THE CARRIBEAN AT WORLD'S END this week and just last week it was SPIDER-MAN 3.... which came with the freakin' box and I had to send it back to get a replacement that worked.
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Postby King Psyz on Fri May 23, 2008 8:12 pm

I think it has to do with Netflix making their own copies.

They're probablly burning them bad, BD is fairly new stuff and all.
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Re: GLITCHES

Postby TheBaxter on Fri May 23, 2008 8:50 pm

stereosforgeeks wrote:
sonnyboo wrote:Oka y, if BLURAY is so freakin' great, why is it 25% of the blu ray discs I get from Netflix don't play at all?

Every time I plug in the internet, check for a Play Station 3 update. Either way, the discs don't play. The discs are clean, no scratches or anything on them.

Nope, "UNABLE TO PLAY THIS DISC" message.

What a crock! I get ripped off either way.


Havent had that problem once...


neither have i...
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Postby sonnyboo on Sat May 24, 2008 11:14 am

King Psyz wrote:I think it has to do with Netflix making their own copies.

They're probablly burning them bad, BD is fairly new stuff and all.


These are replicated discs, not recordable media.
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Postby zane on Sat May 24, 2008 11:49 am

Holographic storage my ASS! It's two years later and ppl are still using dvds to store all their junk.
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Postby Tyrone_Shoelaces on Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:04 pm

A few weeks ago I got to watch Blu-ray on a Mitsubishi 65" 1080p DLP TV. Simply amazing. I want one. Just gorgeous.

Watched Resident Evil: Extinction, Crank, and 300. The clarity on the first two was such that you could count hair in beards. The transfer on 300 was a bit messy. It didn't look like grain as was mentioned a few posts back but real splotchy video noise. I hope that will get fixed when they get around to the Blu SE they talked about.
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Postby Bob Samonkey on Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:48 pm



For Blue-ray?
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Postby stereosforgeeks on Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:50 pm




Were you part of download day? ;)

I am running it at the moment. Have been liking so far.
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Postby Fievel on Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:09 pm

Bob Poopflingius Maximus wrote:


For Blue-ray?


Dammit! I thought this was some all-purpose science-ish thread.
Just checked the beginning of the thread to see how wrong I was.
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Postby Tyrone_Shoelaces on Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:46 pm

Can't wait to see what they have in store for the PS4.
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Postby King Psyz on Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:20 pm


is this a DTV sequel to the awesome blackbird movie with Clint Eastwood speaking wooden Russian?
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Postby King Psyz on Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:24 pm

Fried Gold wrote:Reading about the Japanese Lunar spacecraft "Kaguya", I found out that it was at one time going to be a testbed for UHDV - Ultra High Definition Video. In the end it proved to o costly for the budget and JAXA included HDTV cameras instead. NHK (who paid to have the HD cameras onboard the spacecraft) had to build a prototype system from scratch as very little in the field had been tried.

The spec of the prototype system had a resolution of 7680×4320 pixels at 60 frames per second. The UHDV format is four times as wide and four times as high as current HDTV, used a camera built from four 2.5 inch CCDs and used 16 HD recorders.

The 18 minutes of UHDV test footage took up 3.5 terabytes of data. When they got a test audience to view the footage, most of them got motion sickness because the image was too good and so close to reality.


Blu-Ray is out of date...

This is why this technology has no use outside of maybe outdoor advertising, sporting events, concerts, etc. It's not financially reasonable, it's unweildy large, and storage space is going to be a consideration for a while (and since Blu Ray is a storage medium and this is a resolution medium it's also not really applicable to say BD is out of date since you have to store UHDV somewhere and BD has the largest storage capacity of any current optical media).
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Postby Peven on Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:07 pm



Sony's high-water mark was the Playstation, and since then they have relied more on their size than innovation, and with the PS2, and now the PS3 have been slowly falling back while their competitors have caught and passed them by relying on innovation, expanding the capabilities of their systems at a price lower, much lower in the case of the Wii, than the PS3.
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Postby TheBaxter on Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:57 am

that sounds cool, and if Netflix starts offering content in HD, would really be cool.

but this is weird...

With a wired broadband connection, Netflix members can access their account information and "Queue" via the BD300.


wired? not wireless? unless it's a misprint, this seems kinda dumb.
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Postby Tyrone_Shoelaces on Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:04 pm

Probably a wired connection to make it less expensive.
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Postby TheBaxter on Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:09 pm

Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:Probably a wired connection to make it less expensive.


and less useful. seriously, anyone who'd be willing to shell out for a combo BR-player/Netflix-streaming device is going to expect a wireless connection, even if it adds $50 or so to the price.
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Postby Chairman Kaga on Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:32 pm

TheBaxter wrote:
Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:Probably a wired connection to make it less expensive.


and less useful. seriously, anyone who'd be willing to shell out for a combo BR-player/Netflix-streaming device is going to expect a wireless connection, even if it adds $50 or so to the price.

Would they also get mad at their wireless download speeds?
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:51 pm

Chairman Kaga wrote:
TheBaxter wrote:
Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:Probably a wired connection to make it less expensive.


and less useful. seriously, anyone who'd be willing to shell out for a combo BR-player/Netflix-streaming device is going to expect a wireless connection, even if it adds $50 or so to the price.

Would they also get mad at their wireless download speeds?


methinks that may be the main issue.
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Postby burlivesleftnut on Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:16 pm

oHZNAPS! BURLS GONE BLURAYZ!

I got a sony something other this week, and haven't even seen a blu ray disc yet. The selection options in my little mopey town are limited. Check this: Blockbuster had ONE Blu Ray disc for sale (NONE to rent), and it was Pirates of the Carriibbeeaann: One of the Sequels. Anyway as a netflixter, I have droves of Blu Rays that are coming. I am so excited.

Anyway just PRE-ordered Speed Racer and also purchased Sunshine.
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Postby King Psyz on Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:26 pm

Welcome to the future! I can't wait to get Dark Knight in Blu Ray
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Postby bastard_robo on Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:35 pm

LeFlambeur wrote:Here's an interesting article about a certain "visual noise" many are finding in Blu-Ray discs. The culprit: film grain.
This is the issue that enthusiasts and the studios are going to have to make an effort to explain to consumers who are new to Blu-ray and high-definition in general. Unfortunately, what seems to happening right now is that the studio marketing folks are conducting focus groups with new Blu-ray consumers, who are saying they want perfect pictures every time. As a result, a few of the Hollywood studios are currently A) using excessive Digital Noise Reduction to completely scrub film grain from their Blu-ray releases, or B) not releasing as many older catalog titles as they might otherwise for fear that people will complain about grain. Some studios are even going so far as to scrub the grain out of NEW releases that have been shot on film. Case in point: New Line's Pan's Labyrinth Blu-ray Disc. When I saw this film in the theaters, it was dark and gritty. The grain was a deliberate stylistic choice - part of the artistic character of the film. New Line's Blu-ray, on the other hand, is sparkly and glossy - almost entirely grain-free. So much fine detail has been removed that the faces of characters actually look waxy. Everyone looks like a plastic doll.


BIG MISTAKE getting rid of the film grain on a lot of films..

As i"ve mentioned before, I watched PIRATES: DEAD MANS CHEST on blu ray on a 1080I TOSHIBA tv and I couldnt watch the effects parts.. the KRAKEN scene was lost to me AS IT LOOKED LIKE A FUCKING COMPUTER GAME! I rewatched the movie on standard, and that GRAIN that everyone bitches about gave that scene its look back, it hid the flaws of the CG.

Some of these film snobs are going a bit too far with the CLEANLINESS of a movie now adays.
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Postby King Psyz on Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:53 pm

I agree, I love film grain, but I also love records for the same reason. The warmth of imperfection.

But I have also seen movies where the grain in 1080 is distracting. I got the Resident Evil box set on blu ray and damn if it's not distracting as hell, like first film was nearly unwatchable. Good thing for the shower and surgery table scenes...
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Postby bastard_robo on Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:29 pm

King Psyz wrote:I agree, I love film grain, but I also love records for the same reason. The warmth of imperfection.

But I have also seen movies where the grain in 1080 is distracting. I got the Resident Evil box set on blu ray and damn if it's not distracting as hell, like first film was nearly unwatchable. Good thing for the shower and surgery table scenes...



I think you ment to say that THE FILM IS UNWATCHABLE, but not because of the grain...


















because it sucked ass. Thats what I was aiming at..........























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Postby Tyrone_Shoelaces on Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:45 am

$350 for the Panasonic DMP-BD30K Blu-ray player at NewEgg.
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Postby Evil Hobbit on Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:01 pm

Look what's coming!

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Postby TheBaxter on Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:40 pm

Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:Super Hi-Vision?


great, now my HDTV and blu-ray player are almost obsolete already
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Postby travis-dane on Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:04 am

Evil Hobbit wrote:Look what's coming!

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Great film, but will it have GRAIN???
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Postby burlivesleftnut on Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:40 pm

The Thing (1982) comes out later this month, fyi. On Amazon, you can get it in a bundle with Land of the Dead and Dawn of the Dead (2004). Will promptly be putting Land of the Dead up for auction on eBay if anyone is interested.
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Postby Evil Hobbit on Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:42 pm

travis-dane wrote:Great film, but will it have GRAIN???


I guess so, it's a film transfer after all, and an older one. But Dirty Harry looked great in all it's grainy 80's color! I love that grain and eat it anytime over some digital video noise as present in Miami Vice for example.
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