Chairman Kaga wrote:Why aren't they releasing it on the 5th of November?
TonyWilson wrote:Yeh, er the comic had subtlety the film had Stephen Fry doing quite possibly the stupidest thing EVER. Yes Stephen, I'm sure taking the piss out of the leader of a fascist dictatorship on national TV will lead to you having a slap on the wrist and not being black bagged like EVRYONE else who disagreed with the dictatorship. The message of 2 anarchies was lost and the characters apart from V and Evey were given such short shrift that they became mere plot points not real people. Susan being in love with Fate was discarded. Fate itself was taken out, making V's knowledge a huge plot hole. They got rid of the LSD taking detective because the Wachowskis were shit scared of it. And in trying to make it up to date they insinuated that 9/11 was really perpetrated by the US government thereby losing any credibility. God this film is so dumbed down no wonder Moore wanted his name taken off it. Also he hasnt retired as the forthcoming "Lost Girls" will show.
Oh and finally, seein as this film completely missed it. We in the UK don't celebrate the 5th of November for Guy Fawkes' bravery at fighting the government we celebrate it because we caught, tortured and murdered him.
Sorry people, it was a great idea to make this film and a great idea to make it about the US, but, the power of the comic was the complexity and empathy it had for the non-heroic characters. By understanding the general populace, even the colluders Moore's ideas were conveyed much more strongly. The film, sadly, didn't have the time or seeming inclination to do this and suffers massively for it.
Keepcoolbutcare wrote:heh, like the new av Zombie.
I dunno about the film though. Sub-par direction, the only shot that really stood out for me was the destruction at the end. They got a couple of things right, particularly V's creation at the proto-Nazi boot camp, but I didn't find the mass uprising to be convincing.
Will give it another look on DVD though...
TonyWilson wrote:Oh and finally, seein as this film completely missed it. We in the UK don't celebrate the 5th of November for Guy Fawkes' bravery at fighting the government we celebrate it because we caught, tortured and murdered him.
The Vicar wrote:The graphic novel was superior to the film, no question.
ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:The comic was specifically targeted at Thatchers England; the movie,
though set in England, was targeted more at the US under the boot of the
Bush Admin... At least, thats how I read it...
That whole business about "America's War" and such? The news footage
from the Iraquagmire?
Chairman Kaga wrote:TonyWilson wrote:Oh and finally, seein as this film completely missed it. We in the UK don't celebrate the 5th of November for Guy Fawkes' bravery at fighting the government we celebrate it because we caught, tortured and murdered him.
Where in the film did it indicate this? Obviously that is the whole reaon V as a "terrorist" against the current regime adopted the mask of Fawkes.
TonyWilson wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:TonyWilson wrote:Oh and finally, seein as this film completely missed it. We in the UK don't celebrate the 5th of November for Guy Fawkes' bravery at fighting the government we celebrate it because we caught, tortured and murdered him.
Where in the film did it indicate this? Obviously that is the whole reaon V as a "terrorist" against the current regime adopted the mask of Fawkes.
The start is where it was indicated, specifically in the voiceover when Fawkes is being hung. Obviously V takes on the appearance of Fawkes because he is anti government, but the film seems to indicate that the brits celebrate the 5th of November because of Fawkes attempt rather than because of his capture.
ONeillSG1 wrote:
Actually, I saw this film as a Jesus allegory.
Chairman Kaga wrote:TonyWilson wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:TonyWilson wrote:Oh and finally, seein as this film completely missed it. We in the UK don't celebrate the 5th of November for Guy Fawkes' bravery at fighting the government we celebrate it because we caught, tortured and murdered him.
Where in the film did it indicate this? Obviously that is the whole reaon V as a "terrorist" against the current regime adopted the mask of Fawkes.
The start is where it was indicated, specifically in the voiceover when Fawkes is being hung. Obviously V takes on the appearance of Fawkes because he is anti government, but the film seems to indicate that the brits celebrate the 5th of November because of Fawkes attempt rather than because of his capture.
I'm sorry I don't see that at all. I thought the film accurately portrayed why the Brits celebrate Guy Fawkes Day. Nothing about the intro indicated to me otherwise and I'm a Yank.
ONeillSG1 wrote:ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:The comic was specifically targeted at Thatchers England; the movie,
though set in England, was targeted more at the US under the boot of the
Bush Admin... At least, thats how I read it...
That whole business about "America's War" and such? The news footage
from the Iraquagmire?
Actually, I saw this film as a Jesus allegory.
Chairman Kaga wrote:ONeillSG1 wrote:Actually, I saw this film as a Jesus allegory.
Dude I love in the Bible when Jesus sends his corpse rocketing into the Temple full of money changers etc strapped to the back of a donkey set to explode. That part is awesome.
ONeillSG1 wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:ONeillSG1 wrote:Actually, I saw this film as a Jesus allegory.
Dude I love in the Bible when Jesus sends his corpse rocketing into the Temple full of money changers etc strapped to the back of a donkey set to explode. That part is awesome.
Ah, you see what I said was a joke, an attempt to rile up ZZS here much lik he did in the Superman thread.
*Le sigh*
Nevermind.
ONeillSG1 wrote:Actually, I saw this film as a Jesus allegory.
ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:On the one hand -- Detective takes LSD and has a grand transformation
not unlike a late 60s era Roger Corman exploitation film (and/or Pink
Floyd video).
Keepcoolbutcare wrote:ZombieZoneSolu tions wrote:On the one hand -- Detective takes LSD and has a grand transformation
not unlike a late 60s era Roger Corman exploitation film (and/or Pink
Floyd video).
yeah, but he scored the good stuff, LSD-25 on crack!
Chairman Kaga wrote:ONeillSG1 wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:ONeillSG1 wrote:Actually, I saw this film as a Jesus allegory.
Dude I love in the Bible when Jesus sends his corpse rocketing into the Temple full of money changers etc strapped to the back of a donkey set to explode. That part is awesome.
Ah, you see what I said was a joke, an attempt to rile up ZZS here much lik he did in the Superman thread.
*Le sigh*
Nevermind.
I completely understand what it was. That's why I quoted that section of the Bible just like Jor-El.
ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:Keepcoolbu tcare wrote:ZombieZoneSolu tions wrote:On the one hand -- Detective takes LSD and has a grand transformation
not unlike a late 60s era Roger Corman exploitation film (and/or Pink
Floyd video).
yeah, but he scored the good stuff, LSD-25 on crack!
Tru dat, yo!
The Vicar wrote:They're releasing a version here that will have the Guy Fowlkes mask included.
Mine.
In plenty of time for Halloween.
The Vicar wrote:Nice AV upgrade, ZZS....![]()
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Chairman Kaga wrote:ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:Kee pcoolbu tcare wrote:ZombieZoneSolu tions wrote:On the one hand -- Detective takes LSD and has a grand transformation
not unlike a late 60s era Roger Corman exploitation film (and/or Pink
Floyd video).
yeah, but he scored the good stuff, LSD-25 on crack!
Tru dat, yo!
I think the LSD trip only works for those who haven't done LSD either that or my experiences with it are far less grandiose then Alan Moore's.
ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:To the Brits -- look, I know Ms. Portman's 'accent' is poor, but you
know we Yanks can't do yr accent right! We're dumber than you are!
TonyWilson wrote:Yeh, er the comic had subtlety the film had Stephen Fry doing quite possibly the stupidest thing EVER. Yes Stephen, I'm sure taking the piss out of the leader of a fascist dictatorship on national TV will lead to you having a slap on the wrist and not being black bagged like EVRYONE else who disagreed with the dictatorship.
TheBaxter wrote:it's the ad-whoring that pisses me off. and if it was just pop-ups, that's one thing (bad enough, but my blocker keeps me safe from those). no, this ad TOOK OVER MY DAMN BROWSER and sent me to a different site. that's out of line.
ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:Certainly LSD does open your perception; god knows I've had an apotheosis
or two; but the way its used in the comic is just ridiculous. I mean, its right
out of a deadhead's dog-eared, resin-stained, poetry journal...
Oh and thanks for the compliments on the AV, my friend!
TheBaxter wrote:no, i liked the movie when i saw it in theaters. didn't love it but liked it.
it's the ad-whoring that pisses me off. and if it was just pop-ups, that's one thing (bad enough, but my blocker keeps me safe from those). no, this ad TOOK OVER MY DAMN BROWSER and sent me to a different site. that's out of line.
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