Peven wrote:I can't believe what i am reading here!!!!
Bax has parents??
or so they claim.

Peven wrote:I can't believe what i am reading here!!!!
Bax has parents??
Spandau Belly wrote:ufoclub1977 wrote:And seriously, I would challenge you to watch the same scene from Lord of the Rings movie on blu-ray and then DVD back to back.
You would win that challenge. I saw the first LOTR movie once in the cinemas and that was enough. Man, those hobbits are annoying little buggers.
DerLanghaarige wrote:I think we can all agree that HD is the way to go, but until it's fully established, Blu-Ray might already be dead again and we will then have another medium, that really justifies the jump from DVD, to whatever these geeks came up with now.
ufoclub1977 wrote:Okay, then how about "ALIEN"?
ufoclub1977 wrote:Spandau Belly wrote:ufoclub1977 wrote:And seriously, I would challenge you to watch the same scene from Lord of the Rings movie on blu-ray and then DVD back to back.
You would win that challenge. I saw the first LOTR movie once in the cinemas and that was enough. Man, those hobbits are annoying little buggers.
Okay, then how about "ALIEN"?
ufoclub1977 wrote:Well regardless of people not being able to tell the difference (this is similar I think to people not being aware of the difference between stereo and mono if both are coming out of two speakers?), SD is going extinct. DVD will soon be the lone medium for SD resolution. Live tv, movies, shows, home videos shot by consumers... it will all be HD.
And seriously, I would challenge you to watch the same scene from Lord of the Rings movie on blu-ray and then DVD back to back.
Fried Gold wrote:ufoclub1977 wrote:Spandau Belly wrote:1. Lord of the Walking - all the Blu-Ray version does is highlight the computergeneratedness of the giant armies which don't hold up as well.
2. Alien - I did not like the image "enhancement" work on the Blu-Ray release and was a big disappointment. It is fail. The Quadrilogy copies are still the preferred choice.
3. The comparison with mono/stereo is incorrect.
4. SD is not yet going extinct.
5. I think you are getting way, way ahead of things.
King Of Nowhere wrote:It might be worth bringing up Laserdisk again.
425 lines vs 240 on VHS
Surround sound
Special features (Commentary tracks & what have you)
The people that would've populated AICN (had it existed back then) were the ones who bought laserdisk & the masses stuck with VHS regardless of the quality difference.
Laserdisks would work fine with the TVs people had. With Bluray, you're asking everyone to not just buy the player, but a new tv to watch the programming on.
I think the format would've been selling a lot more if they had sold standard def tv shows on the high capacity disks. It would've been cheaper for the distributors to sell a season of the sopranos on 1 dual layer bluray than 4 dual layer dvds. The cost of manufacturing world reflect on the price in store & a lot of people would see it as a worthwhile investment because they'd only be paying $30 for a season on Bluray when the same thing on dvd would cost double that.
Then, after HD TVs had grown in the marketplace (due to HD broadcasting) they could start releasing HD titles.
If they had went that route, chances are we'd have affordable bluray recorders by now.
ufoclub1977 wrote:1. So in effect you're saying that "Lord of the Walking" would not hold up in theatrical release? Well, that's not the fault of blu-ray which is bringing the quality and detail of a theatrical release to your home.
2. I just got the blu-ray set of ALIEN, and certainly the first film looks good and accurate. I've been fortunate enough to have seen ALIEN on revival screenings through the mid 80's until the early 90's, and I sat front row for one pristine print with beautiful color I saw in 1987. This looks like that memory. Grain and all. I just noticed that Lambert's astronaut suit has green legs.
3. Did you not understand the analogy to mono vs stereo? It's not meant to be a literally locked analogy since one is sound and the other is visual. I'll explain: -An obvious difference to me is imperceptible to others even though it is scientifically accurate to say that it brings out detail, and the eye should be able to relay this difference to the brain. Also, another similarity is that during the inception of stereo, many reacted in much the same way, feeling that stereo was a luxury for the elite, and hardly necessary.
4. Are they making anymore SD televisions or monitors? Is anyone producing any material in SD? Are they making any SD cameras for either pros or home use? I don't think so.
5. I'm not sure what you mean by getting ahead of myself... especially if you take into account the sentence above.
I still clearly remember the resistence to DVD from the many people who had built up VHS collections that filled shelves.
I still remember having a little black and white tv.
Fried Gold wrote:I've seen them in the cinema several times and it was fine. The Blu-ray version seems to have had some image enhancement to it, making some scenes (in particular those with CGI visual effects elements) seem a bit ropey. So Blu-Ray isn't really bringing the same "theatre experience" into the home.
Odd green tint and lack of accurate depth of black aside...yeah, it's a great release. Blu-Ray really brings home the "theatre experience".
It seems you're not quite understanding the analogy you were trying to make.
Now you're just being plain ignorant.
It's time to take off the blinkers now, Seabiscuit...or perhaps time to stop representing the HD Marketing Council and think about the world in real terms.
You clearly have a good memory. None of us can remember a time without DVD and we find the current HD climate to be frightening.
Peven wrote: and anyone who thinks that that SD hardware isn't still being sold simply doesn't know what they are talking about in that respect. period.
The Vicar wrote:Peven wrote: and anyone who thinks that that SD hardware isn't still being sold simply doesn't know what they are talking about in that respect. period.
One trip to Walmart, Target or Best Buy should dispel that misconception.
Yes sports fans, crap is still being peddled to the masses. Enjoy!
Now everyone make nice and talk about pie.
Ummmmmmmm.....pie.....
Fried Gold wrote:Clearly we already got a rise out of you, as you seem to be dead set on preaching the word of the HD-Lord almighty to us over and over again.
Also,
- don't tell people what they have and haven't seen with some air of superiority
- don't try to insult people's intelligence and talk down to them
We all understand the technical improvements of High-Definition video over Standard-Definition. And we all understand the consequences of the current media formats. Technical factors aren't the only things to consider in this, so try not to ignore that.
ufoclub1977 wrote:You clearly have a good memory. None of us can remember a time without DVD and we find the current HD climate to be frightening.
Well, maybe you're not afraid, but there is a certain resistance on this site that seems emotionally based and conservative. It reminds me of the anti-Apple reaction.
ufoclub1977 wrote:You clearly have a good memory. None of us can remember a time without DVD and we find the current HD climate to be frightening.
Well, maybe you're not afraid, but there is a certain resistance on this site that seems emotionally based and conservative. It reminds me of the anti-Apple reaction.
Leckomaniac wrote:ufoclub1977 wrote:You clearly have a good memory. None of us can remember a time without DVD and we find the current HD climate to be frightening.
Well, maybe you're not afraid, but there is a certain resistance on this site that seems emotionally based and conservative. It reminds me of the anti-Apple reaction.
That comparison made me chuckle because isn't Apple anti-Blu ray? I believe they are. Jobs has refused to include BR players in Mac's because he believes digital copies are the future.
TheBaxter wrote:i still read books. and i have no plans to buy an ipad or one of those kindle thingamabobs. at least not til the library starts lending ebooks.
what were we talking about again?
Hermanator X wrote:I dont think its resistance, its just not the end of the world to watch something in standard def.
Sure, I have a blu ray player, and had an HD-DVD as I got a good deal on one, but I dont feel the need to replace my library. Im perfectly content to watch DVD's. I cant foresee a time that blu ray machines wont play both, so its not really an issue to me.
At the end of the day, its all consumable plastic trash anyway. Im not future proofing myself by having a BD player, im just enjoying it.
People also talk of the obsoletion of physical media, and I think its a long ways off that we all have a single pulsating black monolith containing all of our stuff, but I would rather concern myself with the here and now, than not buy anything until that becomes a reality.
I can say for certain that I will never have a 3d tv as long as I have the standard alternative, but do you think we all need to upgrade to that too?
On the flipside, I read a thread on the cancellation of the Guitar Hero franchise, in which some people jubilanty proclaimed that they were right that it was a fad.
But I think most reasonable people werent buying the kit and games over the past 5 years as a long term investment, praying that they could still play it in 20 years time.
Im rambling a bit now, but what I mean is, if the tech is there and you have the desire too, enjoy it, but it really doesnt matter too much.
Things are always changing, and its up to the individual where they fit into the adoption curve.
TheBaxter wrote:i still read books. and i have no plans to buy an ipad or one of those kindle thingamabobs. at least not til the library starts lending ebooks.
what were we talking about again?
TheBaxter wrote:the beatles is Rock Band, not Guitar Hero. that game is still alive and better than ever (you can play real actual musical instruments, even a real guitar in it now!)
i'd like to see BR take off and become wildly successful too, just so that i can keep getting them. it will become the de facto standard for the physical distribution of media, because that's what the industry wants (unless they change their minds and come up with some other new supergizmo format to push on the public, though i think they're too distracted with 3D, which is BR compatible at least, to be worrying about new formats right now). the same reason the public has been relatively slow to pick up on BR is the same reason they will be REALLY slow to switch over to HD streamed content or digital delivery. it's too much techy-geeky for the average person. you know that if even apple can't figure out a way to get the public onboard with it (AppleTV hasn't exactly been the new ipod) then it's going to be one tough nut to crack.
ufoclub1977 wrote:TheBaxter wrote:the beatles is Rock Band, not Guitar Hero. that game is still alive and better than ever (you can play real actual musical instruments, even a real guitar in it now!)
i'd like to see BR take off and become wildly successful too, just so that i can keep getting them. it will become the de facto standard for the physical distribution of media, because that's what the industry wants (unless they change their minds and come up with some other new supergizmo format to push on the public, though i think they're too distracted with 3D, which is BR compatible at least, to be worrying about new formats right now). the same reason the public has been relatively slow to pick up on BR is the same reason they will be REALLY slow to switch over to HD streamed content or digital delivery. it's too much techy-geeky for the average person. you know that if even apple can't figure out a way to get the public onboard with it (AppleTV hasn't exactly been the new ipod) then it's going to be one tough nut to crack.
I think that On Demand and Netflix Instant has made streaming HD (or SD) video the favorite of many regular people, and it's easier than renting or buying and putting in a disc into a player, and doesn't take up space in your apt or house.. The compression sucks though, and anytime there is any detailed imagery that shifts a lot (like a glimmering ocean, or explosions, or space battle) the picture turns into low resolution blocks to squeeze into the data rate limitation.
You know something is afoot when Televisions and blu-ray players are being manufactured with a Netflix app built right in.
ufoclub1977 wrote:Bluray pwns all
King Of Nowhere wrote:ufoclub1977 wrote:Bluray pwns all
Ahnold looks like a bloody ken doll.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/articles/predator-blu-ray-comparison/
now please STFU
King Of Nowhere wrote:My mother calls me martin, you call me Kon, that's the way this board works. If not, then rabbits, mice, squirrels, dead movie producers & Al Pacino don't actually post here & that's just not something i'm equipped to deal with right now.
I'm mad because the farking war scarred bad ass motherfucker who carries out the jobs no one else will looks like he is made out of pvc.
Film grain reduction is a tool chosen by the studios & not by the director. Any noise removal or restoration not carried out at the wish of the Director is modifying the artistic vision & the end result is not the movie the Director originally intended people to see.
Before you say grain is just a side effect & it should've died out, look at Spielberg. He's a mother fucker who loves himself some grain. Lucas added grain to Episode 3 because it was too digital looking for him (and he's the mother fucker responsible for the CGIathon OT special editions, so you know something is up when he says the words "too digital").
You forgot Wu-Tang Clan, so i'm not touching the rap analogy.
No, i don't remember the dvd & bluray release of Superman. I refuse to watch it until they digitally replace the white guy with a black actor.
King Of Nowhere wrote:My mother calls me martin, you call me Kon, that's the way this board works. If not, then rabbits, mice, squirrels, dead movie producers & Al Pacino don't actually post here & that's just not something i'm equipped to deal with right now.
Fievel wrote:King Of Nowhere wrote:My mother calls me martin, you call me Kon, that's the way this board works. If not, then rabbits, mice, squirrels, dead movie producers & Al Pacino don't actually post here & that's just not something i'm equipped to deal with right now.
Probably one of the best things I've read here in years!
Edit - and I just realized when I clicked "Submit" that this is an ages-old thread!!
TheBaxter wrote:
wait, what was this thread about?
Spandau Belly wrote:That bump on the head really put you out of it. But you're starting to remember now, aren't you? ....how Spiderman killed your father?
TheBaxter wrote:Spiderman killed Darth Vader?!?!?
DerLanghaarige wrote:Because I found a coupon for a "Free digital copy" in one of my DVDs and was bored, I made a Flixster/Ultraviolet account and redeemed it. Now the question is: is that digital copy supposed to be that laggy and pixely? I mean, I get it, it's SD, but something that looks like less than 360p and far below what Netlix & Co offer as SD quality, isn't really something that makes me excited about getting virtual backups of my movies.
DerLanghaarige wrote:So I finally had Blu-Ray forced upon me. My DVD Recorder broke and it seems like they don't produce DVD recorders anymore. Only HDD ones (without any chance to copy the recorded stuff on any physical media) and Blu-Ray ones (Which at least can record on DVDs too.). Earlier today I bought THE WORLD'S END on Blu (used for 5,99€) and I still don't really see any relevant change in quality. But I like how you can go to the menus without interrupting the movie and I have to admit it's nice to say: "Oh, they don't have the DVD, but the Blu doesn't cost much more and has all the bonus features, so I should get this instead."
DerLanghaarige wrote:32" TV, resolution: Got no idea. I'll tell you when I find the manual. I'm not saying that I can't see a difference between SD and HD and I won't rule out that the next TV that I buy might make this difference more visible (I bought this one in 2008), it's just nothing that makes me go WOW.
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