TERMINATOR: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

The greatest TV in history is being made right now. The worst TV in history is being made right now.

Postby Spifftacular SquirrelGirl on Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:00 am

Fievel wrote:Watched the second episode.... I'll watch the series now. I'm semi-hooked. I like the actors, I like the characters (although Sara Conner seems a LOT weaker now), and I like the Terminator world. I hope it stays at least decent.


Oh I don't know about that... I thought smashing a terminator's knees up with a motorcycle was pretty badass. ;)

I found the second episode to be a lot better than Sunday night's premiere. "Chet", the headless terminator was pretty creepy. What's his story anyways? I might have missed it but why was there an endoskeleton in a junkyard (while some guy apparently kept the head)?

I'm also looking forward to finding out what exactly is the deal with Cameron.
User avatar
Spifftacular SquirrelGirl
AIRWOLF
 
Posts: 1434
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:58 am
Location: Random tree

Postby Theta on Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:20 am

Retardo_Montalban wrote:You're right about Terminator 2. At least there was a plausible explanation as to why Arnold wouldn't kill. John Connor told him not to. In this T.V. show, the Sub Terminator just walked past a whole bunch of armed SWAT guys and broke it down to shitty guns = no threat. That was bullshit. The Terminators have no problem killing people, even unarmed people, as is evidence of Connor's foster parents in T2.


That's true, but I think they have to limit the mayhem (it IS network TV) and playing it off as a joke was probably the best way out.


Overall I think the show is solid. I like how Sarah and John get along as parent and child, and now that we've gotten the geek-porn references out of the way, the show's zipping right along.

I'm especially glad that the comedy in the second episode wasn't completely idiotic. Cameron's imitation of the lookout (and completely missing that she's being flirted with) was a hoot and put across Cameron's awkwardness without it being stupid.
This comment is in no way meant to insist your opinion is wrong or be considered an edict, solely this poster's opinion. That said, you are still a fool and will kneel before me in supplication.
User avatar
Theta
AIRWOLF
 
Posts: 2343
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:57 am
Location: Boston, MA

Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:34 am

Lord Voldemoo wrote:we need a new word filter.


Done anna done, eh?
User avatar
DinoDeLaurentiis
SHE'S A THE SARAH SILVERMAN
 
Posts: 11284
Joined: Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:15 pm
Location: Private Villa inna Santorini

Postby unikrunk on Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:41 am

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:
Lord Voldemoo wrote:we need a new word filter.


Done anna done, eh?


Awww Fuck.
He can't' love you back...
Image
User avatar
unikrunk
AIRWOLF PLUS
 
Posts: 4845
Joined: Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:48 am

Postby Theta on Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:23 pm

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:
Lord Voldemoo wrote:we need a new word filter.


Done anna done, eh?


Fick.
This comment is in no way meant to insist your opinion is wrong or be considered an edict, solely this poster's opinion. That said, you are still a fool and will kneel before me in supplication.
User avatar
Theta
AIRWOLF
 
Posts: 2343
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:57 am
Location: Boston, MA

Postby Cha-Ka Khan on Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:25 pm

I did love that scene in the 2nd ep where Cameron rushes the Terminator out the window, and they both smack into the wall on the opposing building and drop to the ground.

Although I will hate hate HATE this if they go into the whole "Tin Man / I need a heart." thing and she tries to become more more "human".

But you know they will.

You just know it.

As it is, you figure she and John are going to hook up.
User avatar
Cha-Ka Khan
UNGRATEFUL BASTARD
 
Posts: 939
Joined: Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:55 am

Postby RogueScribner on Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:29 pm

There's a twist. Can a dude get dirty with a cyborg programmed to kill? *wicka-wicka*
My eye isn't lazy; it's ambidextrous!
User avatar
RogueScribner
The Dork Avenger
 
Posts: 9609
Joined: Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:52 am
Location: Melbourne, FL

Postby Bob Samonkey on Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:40 pm

Theta wrote:
DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:
Lord Voldemoo wrote:we need a new word filter.


Done anna done, eh?


fork.


Bob Poopflingius Maximus wrote:Knowing Dino he will change the word fork to the other word...


I know you so well, old man...
User avatar
Bob Samonkey
Große Fäuste
 
Posts: 8982
Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:49 pm
Location: Samonkey Island

Postby The Vicar on Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:30 pm

RogueScribner wrote:There's a twist. Can a dude get dirty with a cyborg programmed to kill? *wicka-wicka*


And human women aren't?
.
........................................
Image
User avatar
The Vicar
Fear & Loathing in the Zone
 
Posts: 16179
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:21 am

Postby Theta on Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:38 pm

Cha-Ka Khan wrote:Although I will hate hate HATE this if they go into the whole "Tin Man / I need a heart." thing and she tries to become more more "human".

But you know they will.


True, although T2 already went there, and the series can take its time on that subplot, at least.
As it is, you figure she and John are going to hook up.


I was talking with my roommates about that. Isn't sending yourself your own first lay just a little creepy and weird? They seem to be going there, but I'm thinking it's a dodge.
This comment is in no way meant to insist your opinion is wrong or be considered an edict, solely this poster's opinion. That said, you are still a fool and will kneel before me in supplication.
User avatar
Theta
AIRWOLF
 
Posts: 2343
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:57 am
Location: Boston, MA

Postby MasterWhedon on Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:52 pm

I'm really, really digging this show. Minor complaints aside, I'm way hooked and waaaaaaaaaay more impressed with the scope and direction of this series than I ever have been with Heroes. Those of you who aren't a fan of me/others ragging on Heroes should turn away now, because this show proves to me why Heroes is such a failure.

It's all about rules. It's all about continuity. The Terminator films (T3 aside) have a clearly defined blueprint for how things work, why they work and why they can't happen any other way--and the show sticks unflinchingly to that blueprint even while adapting it, challenging it, adding to it. Heroes abandons or forgets rules they've set up for narrative convenience, and we're supposed to accept it because it's not a "thinking man's" show. Well, Terminator ain't a thinking man's show either, but at least it doesn't play to the lowest common denominator.

Then let's talk about the effects and action direction, which are both fucking phenomenal on a television budget. Those massive, wall-shattering Terminator fights are just incredibly cool (and the level Nikki/Jessica should've been playing on). And with little touches like dumping an indestructible person out of a six-story window because you have to--those are the kinds of clever plays on the powers Heroes needs to adopt.

And ultimately, the Sarah/John relationship proves to me how much of a misstep the Noah/Claire relationship was in Season Two. Noah was a smarter solider/spook than to think he could settle his family down in some new town and just hope The Company wouldn't find him. He would've kept running, kept fighting to keep her safe. And it would've worked damn well as a storyline.

But enough about Heroes... This show kicks a great deal of ass. Maybe only 8/10 ass right now, but with the promise of a great deal more to come.
User avatar
MasterWhedon
KEEPER OF THE PURSE
 
Posts: 9473
Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:07 pm
Location: Los Angeles

Postby Fievel on Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:55 pm

One more thing about the show that I love- no liquid/energy/gaseous/etc. Terminators.
They're robots.
Made of metal.
Kicking ass.
Achievement Unlocked: TOTAL DOMINATION (Win a Werewolf Game without losing a single player on your team)
User avatar
Fievel
Mouse Of The House
 
Posts: 12152
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:07 pm
Location: White Lake, MI

Postby King Psyz on Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:57 pm

Whoa whoa whoa, hold on there tiger. Nobody has talked about the point I brought up earlier like them leaving behind (and you know building a time machine in the past...) a time machine in a bank in san fernando with the FBI crawling all over the scene 10 minutes later.

How did they not find the T-800, how did they not find the remnants of the bolt gun, how did they not find the time machine, ect.?

Seems like 2007 would be a lot different if the FBI had a time machine no?

Would 9/11 be stopped?

Why is it being glossed over? Wh hasn't John or Sarah expressed concern about a time machine based on future tech and a T-800 being in the hands of the government, who could in fact start their own skynet?
King Psyz
PSYZ MATTERS, DO YOU?
 
Posts: 4906
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:11 pm
Location: anywhere but here

Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:00 pm

Theta wrote:
Cha-Ka Khan wrote:As it is, you figure she and John are going to hook up.


I was talking with my roommates about that. Isn't sending yourself your own first lay just a little creepy and weird?


Life inna the Age of a the Machines, she can a be hard onna the man, no? Sometimes a you gotta to take it any way you can a get it, eh?
User avatar
DinoDeLaurentiis
SHE'S A THE SARAH SILVERMAN
 
Posts: 11284
Joined: Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:15 pm
Location: Private Villa inna Santorini

Postby MasterWhedon on Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:09 pm

King Psyz wrote:Whoa whoa whoa, hold on there tiger. Nobody has talked about the point I brought up earlier like them leaving behind (and you know building a time machine in the past...) a time machine in a bank in san fernando with the FBI crawling all over the scene 10 minutes later.

How did they not find the T-800, how did they not find the remnants of the bolt gun, how did they not find the time machine, ect.?

Seems like 2007 would be a lot different if the FBI had a time machine no?

Would 9/11 be stopped?

Why is it being glossed over? Wh hasn't John or Sarah expressed concern about a time machine based on future tech and a T-800 being in the hands of the government, who could in fact start their own skynet?

I was thinking about that too. When John was searching for himself on the computer, I thought it said something like "Three Die in Bank Explosion." I might've read it wrong, but if so I'd assume there was a self-destruct that demolished the whole valut and buried him under scrap, which would then make sense for him to wind up in a junkyard.

Still, it's something they should double-back on.
User avatar
MasterWhedon
KEEPER OF THE PURSE
 
Posts: 9473
Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:07 pm
Location: Los Angeles

Postby Vegeta on Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:26 pm

MasterWhedon wrote:
King Psyz wrote:Whoa whoa whoa, hold on there tiger. Nobody has talked about the point I brought up earlier like them leaving behind (and you know building a time machine in the past...) a time machine in a bank in san fernando with the FBI crawling all over the scene 10 minutes later.

How did they not find the T-800, how did they not find the remnants of the bolt gun, how did they not find the time machine, ect.?

Seems like 2007 would be a lot different if the FBI had a time machine no?

Would 9/11 be stopped?

Why is it being glossed over? Wh hasn't John or Sarah expressed concern about a time machine based on future tech and a T-800 being in the hands of the government, who could in fact start their own skynet?

I was thinking about that too. When John was searching for himself on the computer, I thought it said something like "Three Die in Bank Explosion." I might've read it wrong, but if so I'd assume there was a self-destruct that demolished the whole valut and buried him under scrap, which would then make sense for him to wind up in a junkyard.

Still, it's something they should double-back on.


In the scrap 8 years later? Where was this bank located? New Orleans?
User avatar
Vegeta
PARAGON OF VACUITY
 
Posts: 6274
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:22 am
Location: U.S.S.A.

Postby King Psyz on Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:31 pm

Yeah I thought that was more or a lazy Deus Ex Machina than most of what I saw on Heroes. Just sayin'

I liked the show alot but the whole leaving behind a time machine and the FBI ignoring the whole metal skeleton at the scene of a suspected terrorist bombing and leaving it on the side of the freeway...
King Psyz
PSYZ MATTERS, DO YOU?
 
Posts: 4906
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:11 pm
Location: anywhere but here

Postby Ribbons on Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:37 pm

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:
Theta wrote:
Cha-Ka Khan wrote:As it is, you figure she and John are going to hook up.


I was talking with my roommates about that. Isn't sending yourself your own first lay just a little creepy and weird?


Life inna the Age of a the Machines, she can a be hard onna the man, no? Sometimes a you gotta to take it any way you can a get it, eh?


But does NO ONE think of the consequences?!
User avatar
Ribbons
SQUARE PEG
 
Posts: 13978
Joined: Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:00 am

Postby King Psyz on Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:38 pm

hahahaha, I'm suprised it took someone this long to post that video!
King Psyz
PSYZ MATTERS, DO YOU?
 
Posts: 4906
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:11 pm
Location: anywhere but here

Postby Lady Sheridan on Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:20 pm

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:
Theta wrote:
Cha-Ka Khan wrote:As it is, you figure she and John are going to hook up.


I was talking with my roommates about that. Isn't sending yourself your own first lay just a little creepy and weird?


Life inna the Age of a the Machines, she can a be hard onna the man, no? Sometimes a you gotta to take it any way you can a get it, eh?


How does John have any time to lead the Resistance? He seems to spend all his time sending stuff back to his younger self.

I half expect a pack of comic books to show up in a wall of their 2007 home, because he knew he'd be home sick that day and unable to use the Internet.
User avatar
Lady Sheridan
RED
 
Posts: 5035
Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:09 pm
Location: Croft Manor

Postby Vegeta on Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:46 pm

Lady Sheridan wrote:
DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:
Th eta wrote:
Cha-Ka Khan wrote:As it is, you figure she and John are going to hook up.


I was talking with my roommates about that. Isn't sending yourself your own first lay just a little creepy and weird?


Life inna the Age of a the Machines, she can a be hard onna the man, no? Sometimes a you gotta to take it any way you can a get it, eh?


How does John have any time to lead the Resistance? He seems to spend all his time sending stuff back to his younger self.

I half expect a pack of comic books to show up in a wall of their 2007 home, because he knew he'd be home sick that day and unable to use the Internet.


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You know that isn't too far from where I think this show will be going. Soon we'll start getting "Oh, I wish I had a... hey, there's one on the table!"
User avatar
Vegeta
PARAGON OF VACUITY
 
Posts: 6274
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:22 am
Location: U.S.S.A.

Postby CeeBeeUK on Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:02 pm

Unless John Connor joins Wyld Stallyns, that better not happen!
User avatar
CeeBeeUK
WAIRWOLF GAME
 
Posts: 2060
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:47 am
Location: nodnoL

Postby Vegeta on Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:03 pm

CeeBeeUK wrote:Unless John Connor joins Wyld Stallyns, that better not happen!

BILLANDTEDILASH
User avatar
Vegeta
PARAGON OF VACUITY
 
Posts: 6274
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:22 am
Location: U.S.S.A.

Postby Theta on Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:07 pm

Vegeta wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You know that isn't too far from where I think this show will be going. Soon we'll start getting "Oh, I wish I had a... hey, there's one on the table!"


I don't think they'll be going that route unless the writing staff is PROFOUNDLY lazy. This show isn't perfect but it seems like it's more on the ball than that.
This comment is in no way meant to insist your opinion is wrong or be considered an edict, solely this poster's opinion. That said, you are still a fool and will kneel before me in supplication.
User avatar
Theta
AIRWOLF
 
Posts: 2343
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:57 am
Location: Boston, MA

Postby Vegeta on Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:55 pm

Theta wrote:
Vegeta wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You know that isn't too far from where I think this show will be going. Soon we'll start getting "Oh, I wish I had a... hey, there's one on the table!"


I don't think they'll be going that route unless the writing staff is PROFOUNDLY lazy. This show isn't perfect but it seems like it's more on the ball than that.


I was being a bit fictitious. I would hope they wouldn't be that lazy either.
User avatar
Vegeta
PARAGON OF VACUITY
 
Posts: 6274
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:22 am
Location: U.S.S.A.

Postby Will Scarlet on Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:57 pm

Vegeta wrote:
MasterWhedon wrote:
King Psyz wrote:Whoa whoa whoa, hold on there tiger. Nobody has talked about the point I brought up earlier like them leaving behind (and you know building a time machine in the past...) a time machine in a bank in san fernando with the FBI crawling all over the scene 10 minutes later.

How did they not find the T-800, how did they not find the remnants of the bolt gun, how did they not find the time machine, ect.?

Seems like 2007 would be a lot different if the FBI had a time machine no?

Would 9/11 be stopped?

Why is it being glossed over? Wh hasn't John or Sarah expressed concern about a time machine based on future tech and a T-800 being in the hands of the government, who could in fact start their own skynet?

I was thinking about that too. When John was searching for himself on the computer, I thought it said something like "Three Die in Bank Explosion." I might've read it wrong, but if so I'd assume there was a self-destruct that demolished the whole valut and buried him under scrap, which would then make sense for him to wind up in a junkyard.

Still, it's something they should double-back on.


In the scrap 8 years later? Where was this bank located? New Orleans?



I'm glad someone else was wondering about this too. I thought there wasn't much left behind and 8 years seems a bit of a stretch. And, exactly what made it suddenly activate itself after 8 years? Just 'cause the guy found his head? Suddenly here comes the arms, etc. If he could rebuild himself what took so long?

I'm no expert on these films, but exactly how did the thing rip a human head off and make it work with its mechanics? Was he/it actually able to see out of the dead eyeballs? Blech.

Have to agree, episode 2 was much better than the first.

W.S.

W.S.
User avatar
Will Scarlet
PRIMITIVE SCREWHEAD
 
Posts: 145
Joined: Sun May 06, 2007 8:45 pm
Location: Sherwood Forrest, Nottingham, England

Postby King Psyz on Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:24 pm

Someone at work thinks that the lightning gun thing was actually something akin to a small scalled, localized nuke weapon and destroyed not only the terminator but the bank and time machine (I guess they murdered about a few hundred people there...)

But I don't think that flies, suspension of disbelief or not, we have the FBI actively chasing them and the agent in charge who just heard about a gunman at a highschool with a mechanical leg.

Someone explain to me why the FBI didn't comb over that site with a fine tooth comb for as long as it took.

If the explosion didn't evaporate the terminator, how did they just leave it there un-noticed and how did they not recover any of the weapon or time machine components?

I'm liking the show but this is gonna bug me until they explain what happened that day and how the FBI let a very visable skull on the side of the highway next to the explosion site... unless...

Maybe they'll say the head came with them in the jump and some wild animals or rot picked off the flesh?

That still doesn't explain how a full T-800 body was in a metal yard un-noticed. Sure it's LA and studios recycle props, but I find it hard to belive nobody thought anything of it.
King Psyz
PSYZ MATTERS, DO YOU?
 
Posts: 4906
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:11 pm
Location: anywhere but here

Postby Retardo_Montalban on Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:48 am

It looks like Terminator heads have built in wifi.

On the topic of John Connor popping his cherry 2000 with a real doll, thats a given. The only explanation I can think of in having a 5 foot chick terminator is hooker assassin bot. She seduces battle weary soldiers and murders them in mid orgasm. The only draw back being that the bitch weighs half a ton, thus eliminating my own personal favorite position.
Image
User avatar
Retardo_Montalban
doubleplusungood
 
Posts: 3682
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:28 am

Postby Vegeta on Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:56 am

Retardo_Montalban wrote:It looks like Terminator heads have built in wifi.

On the topic of John Connor popping his cherry 2000 with a real doll, thats a given. The only explanation I can think of in having a 5 foot chick terminator is hooker assassin bot. She seduces battle weary soldiers and murders them in mid orgasm. The only draw back being that the bitch weighs half a ton, thus eliminating my own personal favorite position.


Reverse Cowgirl? :-P
User avatar
Vegeta
PARAGON OF VACUITY
 
Posts: 6274
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:22 am
Location: U.S.S.A.

Postby Retardo_Montalban on Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:59 am

Vegeta wrote:
Retardo_Montalban wrote:It looks like Terminator heads have built in wifi.

On the topic of John Connor popping his cherry 2000 with a real doll, thats a given. The only explanation I can think of in having a 5 foot chick terminator is hooker assassin bot. She seduces battle weary soldiers and murders them in mid orgasm. The only draw back being that the bitch weighs half a ton, thus eliminating my own personal favorite position.


Reverse Cowgirl? :-P


drugged
Image
User avatar
Retardo_Montalban
doubleplusungood
 
Posts: 3682
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:28 am

Postby Lord Voldemoo on Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:36 pm

King Psyz wrote:Someone at work thinks that the lightning gun thing was actually something akin to a small scalled, localized nuke weapon and destroyed not only the terminator but the bank and time machine (I guess they murdered about a few hundred people there...)

But I don't think that flies, suspension of disbelief or not, we have the FBI actively chasing them and the agent in charge who just heard about a gunman at a highschool with a mechanical leg.

Someone explain to me why the FBI didn't comb over that site with a fine tooth comb for as long as it took.

If the explosion didn't evaporate the terminator, how did they just leave it there un-noticed and how did they not recover any of the weapon or time machine components?

I'm liking the show but this is gonna bug me until they explain what happened that day and how the FBI let a very visable skull on the side of the highway next to the explosion site... unless...

Maybe they'll say the head came with them in the jump and some wild animals or rot picked off the flesh?

That still doesn't explain how a full T-800 body was in a metal yard un-noticed. Sure it's LA and studios recycle props, but I find it hard to belive nobody thought anything of it.


The FBI didn't leave the skull on the side of the road. The BODY, I agree is a problem, and I'll address that first. When the explosion (whatever it was from, the weapon?) took out the bank, the body was still there, and somehow ended up in the junk pile. I was a little unclear if the junkpile in 2007 was at the site of the bank (which seems unlikely given the 8 year jump) or a scrapyard somehow. Either way, the body was ignored/unfound. This doesn't make ANY sense. Like someone said, the FBI was after Sarah and John. They KNEW they were at the site that blew. They would have gone through that place with a fine tooth comb looking for evidence of their deaths...particularly with Agent Whatshisname being so obsessed with finding them. If they found a metal endoskeleton that is clearly very advanced...i have trouble believing it would be thrown away. Maybe if it were some backcountry sherriff you could explain it away, but this is the FBI we're talking about.

So the body ending up in the scrapyard is totally unrealistic to me..and I can't think of a way to explain it away.

The head is a different matter. Did everyone miss that the head blew through the time portal with Sarah, John, and Cameron?? It happens fast, but when they unload on the Terminator with the weapon, the head comes off. In the intro to the second ep it starts with them coming through the portal...and then you see the head flying out as well. That's how it ended up on the side of the road. The FBI didn't miss it at the bank, it was never there.
Image
User avatar
Lord Voldemoo
He Who Shall Not Be Milked
 
Posts: 17641
Joined: Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:18 pm
Location: Pasture next to the Red Barn

Postby King Psyz on Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:19 pm

and that's fine and all but it breaks the main rule of time travel in the terminator world...

only organic matter can pass through, so if it was a bare metal skull it would have been left behind or vaporized

if it had flesh it got picked clean awful fast
King Psyz
PSYZ MATTERS, DO YOU?
 
Posts: 4906
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:11 pm
Location: anywhere but here

Postby Lord Voldemoo on Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:21 pm

King Psyz wrote:and that's fine and all but it breaks the main rule of time travel in the terminator world...

only organic matter can pass through, so if it was a bare metal skull it would have been left behind or vaporized


ooh, good call, I didn't think about that. I don't recall now if, when you see it pop through, it had any flesh on it. I want to say no. I deleted it on my tivo now too, dammit.
Image
User avatar
Lord Voldemoo
He Who Shall Not Be Milked
 
Posts: 17641
Joined: Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:18 pm
Location: Pasture next to the Red Barn

Postby MasterWhedon on Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:23 pm

Lord Voldemoo wrote:The head is a different matter. Did everyone miss that the head blew through the time portal with Sarah, John, and Cameron?? It happens fast, but when they unload on the Terminator with the weapon, the head comes off. In the intro to the second ep it starts with them coming through the portal...and then you see the head flying out as well. That's how it ended up on the side of the road. The FBI didn't miss it at the bank, it was never there.

Yeah, I missed the head flying off until I watched the first ep a second time (in HD!). I thought, oh, that's a silly effect. And then the second episode started (in HD!) and they lead right into it, which was fun.

I think the lack of skin is a result of him getting shot with the newfangled gun right as they were 'porting. The skin was getting melted away as they were traveling and it ended up on the other side as just a metal skull. Works for me.
User avatar
MasterWhedon
KEEPER OF THE PURSE
 
Posts: 9473
Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:07 pm
Location: Los Angeles

Postby King Psyz on Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:24 pm

I'm sure this will all be forgotten in the series, an I'll let it pass. The whole point is this was being held up as sticking to the story bible better than heroes ever did when in fact it's been making shit up as it goes in the first two hours alone.

I find both entertaining, but by no means is terminator sticking to it's "rules" so far.
King Psyz
PSYZ MATTERS, DO YOU?
 
Posts: 4906
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:11 pm
Location: anywhere but here

Postby RogueScribner on Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:29 pm

Yeah, that whole bad-Terminator-travelling-through-the-portal-and-r emotely-controlling-his-body-which-should-have-bee n-in-a-lab-or-melted-down thing is wacky.

I hope it's not indicative of the way they are going to play things in the future.
My eye isn't lazy; it's ambidextrous!
User avatar
RogueScribner
The Dork Avenger
 
Posts: 9609
Joined: Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:52 am
Location: Melbourne, FL

Postby MasterWhedon on Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:43 pm

King Psyz wrote:I'm sure this will all be forgotten in the series, an I'll let it pass. The whole point is this was being held up as sticking to the story bible better than heroes ever did when in fact it's been making shit up as it goes in the first two hours alone.

I find both entertaining, but by no means is terminator sticking to it's "rules" so far.

See, but aside from that one small maybe-gaff, which I'm sure they will address once Sarah & Co. come across the '99 Terminator in '07, I still say Terminator is better about respecting its own continuity.

First, the way they've introduced their key rules has been straight, to-the-point, and still driven by the story. Take the way they were able to neatly and cleanly set up the key elements of the show--which carry over from the movies--inside of five minutes in the opening action/dream sequence: 1) Sarah and John are on the run from the law; 2) a Terminator is in pursuit; 3) Sarah is trying to protect John from the Terminator so he can save the future; 4) the Terminator is nigh-invulnerable to modern weaponary. Everything else stems from that. And all of the other necessary information was conveyed in a way that felt natural to the story, while keeping a nice balance between character and high-intensity action.

Secondly, the way they play on those existing rules in their action sequences is pretty impressive. 1) When the Terminator attacks John in the school and follows him out into the parking lot, he knocks over a school bus so he can get up high for a better vantage point. 2) When Sarah is attacked in her home in Ep. 1, she pulls out a shotgun from a hidden cache in the wall and takes cover behind a chair she's lined with kevlar. 3) In Ep. 2, when Cameron is fried in that Resistence apartment (already a play on a rule established in the first episode) and they can't get her back online fast enough... they dump her out the window. Awesome. 4) At the end of the pilot, when the Terminator approaches the bank vault door, he tears it apart, piece by piece, never flinching, never pausing. 5) And then you take a non-action element like the barcode which was tatooed onto Reese's arm in the first Terminator film. It's now a sign of the Resistance fighters in the past. (Sure, that's a bit of a stretch to include this whole other group fo time-travelers, but, hey, it's a series so they have to stretch somewhat.)

I just think the way the show embraces its continuity, to a point where they're not afraid to give you specifics (e.g. 120 second until the Terminators reboot, SkyNet goes online on X date), is more confident and assured than the vague cryptics we get on Heroes. It's not a definitive comparison by any means because they are very different shows, but so far Terminator, to me, is following a better template than Heroes.
User avatar
MasterWhedon
KEEPER OF THE PURSE
 
Posts: 9473
Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:07 pm
Location: Los Angeles

Postby King Psyz on Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:35 pm

right they've covered the motivation which was layed out, but I'm more put off by all of the sudden there's a whole movement in the past but haven't considered protecting their future leader or taking them somewhere they won't be hunted down so they can prepare for the coming war.

having a time machine in the past (which seemed to borrow heavily from the steampunkish 12 monkeys) bothers me as well.

but breaking a rule they basically established again 12 seconds beforehand seems odd to me. Cameron tells them nothing non organic can pass through the portal and then a metal terminator head flies into the portal...
King Psyz
PSYZ MATTERS, DO YOU?
 
Posts: 4906
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:11 pm
Location: anywhere but here

Postby Fievel on Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:40 pm

My only gripe with the non-organic thing.... is that Terminators AREN'T organic!!! Or at least they're mostly not.
Achievement Unlocked: TOTAL DOMINATION (Win a Werewolf Game without losing a single player on your team)
User avatar
Fievel
Mouse Of The House
 
Posts: 12152
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:07 pm
Location: White Lake, MI

Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:55 pm

MasterWhedon wrote:I think the lack of skin is a result of him getting shot with the newfangled gun right as they were 'porting. The skin was getting melted away as they were traveling and it ended up on the other side as just a metal skull. Works for me.


Yes, dinna we see a the head inna flames as it was a coming through a the portal, no? Just enough of a the skin covering it for a the jump, eh? Prolly a stretch, but iffa you can a suspend a the disbelief inna the first place...

As a far as a the T2 goes, with a the T-1000 going through a the portal, I alla'ways figured it was a that a the machines, they figure out a the way a to create a the liquid metal, how you say? "bio alloy" eh? Anna that's a why it could a go through, but a still no other non-organic chemicals or a complex machinery, eh? So you still gotta to go through naked anna without a the weapons anna such...

Goddamn... remind a me to ask a the Cameron next time I see him, eh?
User avatar
DinoDeLaurentiis
SHE'S A THE SARAH SILVERMAN
 
Posts: 11284
Joined: Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:15 pm
Location: Private Villa inna Santorini

Postby MasterWhedon on Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:56 pm

Fievel wrote:My only gripe with the non-organic thing.... is that Terminators AREN'T organic!!! Or at least they're mostly not.

I think the thought is that the biological tissue tricks the machine, otherwise they'd just send back them back in robot skeleton form.
User avatar
MasterWhedon
KEEPER OF THE PURSE
 
Posts: 9473
Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:07 pm
Location: Los Angeles

Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:58 pm

MasterWhedon wrote:I think the thought is that the biological tissue tricks the machine, otherwise they'd just send back them back in robot skeleton form.


There's a more to it than a that, eh? A 'cos of a the clothes anna the lack of a the weapons, eh? Inna fact, a the Cameron, she even a makes a the mention that a they hadda to build a the time portal from alla the available parts a they could a scavenge inna the present day, no?
User avatar
DinoDeLaurentiis
SHE'S A THE SARAH SILVERMAN
 
Posts: 11284
Joined: Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:15 pm
Location: Private Villa inna Santorini

Postby Fievel on Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:59 pm

MasterWhedon wrote:
Fievel wrote:My only gripe with the non-organic thing.... is that Terminators AREN'T organic!!! Or at least they're mostly not.

I think the thought is that the biological tissue tricks the machine, otherwise they'd just send back them back in robot skeleton form.


But then they would be a little obvious and easy to spot.

They'd have to go incognito and wear an Invisible Man costume like the one is now. Ha... that part cracked me up. Wouldn't those homeless people hear it moving.... or am I thinking of RoboCop whose every step made a sound?
User avatar
Fievel
Mouse Of The House
 
Posts: 12152
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:07 pm
Location: White Lake, MI

Postby King Psyz on Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:14 pm

from what I remember the terminators were skeletons at first and they developed the cyborg version as a response to the invention of the time machine by the humans.
King Psyz
PSYZ MATTERS, DO YOU?
 
Posts: 4906
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:11 pm
Location: anywhere but here

Postby Chairman Kaga on Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:24 pm

King Psyz wrote:from what I remember the terminators were skeletons at first and they developed the cyborg version as a response to the invention of the time machine by the humans.

huh? Skynet invented rubber skinned ones first and then the real tissue ones as better infiltrators. Skynet also invented the time machine....Per Cameron's original T2 draft the humans were able to gain the advantage in the war because Skynet took all of it's power to work the machine. After sending back the first Terminator Skynet shut down for an hour in the mean time the humans amassed their forces. Once it woke up again Skynet saw there was no change and sent back the T-1000 as a last resort. Then once everything was down for the second time the humans broke in and gained access to the time machine and terminators they reprogrammed. How much of this concept is reatained in the show of the upcoming McG flick who knows.
Chairman Kaga
AIRWOLF PLUS
 
Posts: 7660
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:49 am

Postby RogueScribner on Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:24 pm

I thought the cyborgs were invented to better infiltrate the humans' ranks. Didn't Reese say something about earlier models being easy to pick out over the newer models? Didn't Skynet invent the time portal and use it to eliminate John Connor in the first place? Once the humans overtook the HQ and realized what happened, they sent back Kyle to save him.
My eye isn't lazy; it's ambidextrous!
User avatar
RogueScribner
The Dork Avenger
 
Posts: 9609
Joined: Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:52 am
Location: Melbourne, FL

Postby RaulMonkey on Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:47 pm

Yeah, they were infiltrators, but dogs could tell them apart from humans, and that's why the dogs at Carlos' house in the 2nd episode were going apeshit when Cameron walked into the room. Another fine example of consistency in following the rules carried over from the films.
Image
User avatar
RaulMonkey
ZONE AMBASSADOR
 
Posts: 3402
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:12 am
Location: YYC

Postby King Psyz on Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:10 pm

For some reason I thought they had stated the humans built the time machine and I remember the future war sequences in the original terminator all showed skeletal terminators on the front lines while having cyborgs work trying to infiltrate the humans ranks.

I don't think I can take an unshot script into cannon, so I'm just going by what I've seen in the films.
King Psyz
PSYZ MATTERS, DO YOU?
 
Posts: 4906
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:11 pm
Location: anywhere but here

Postby Lady Sheridan on Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:32 pm

King Psyz wrote:right they've covered the motivation which was layed out, but I'm more put off by all of the sudden there's a whole movement in the past but haven't considered protecting their future leader or taking them somewhere they won't be hunted down so they can prepare for the coming war.


Well, I get the impression this movement is composed of time travelers and that it's pretty badly organized--frantic attempts to forestall SkyNet, which seems to continually thwart their attempts in the past. They're trying their hardest to protect Sarah and John, but they can never get on their feet enough to do it. Especially as the modern world grows more and more technical--more information is stored online, making it easier to track in the future.

I've always seen the Terminator movies as arguing for an inevitable holocaust. No matter what they to do stop it, the timeline will adjust to MAKE it happen. And in most cases, their actions are going to be what spurs it onward.
User avatar
Lady Sheridan
RED
 
Posts: 5035
Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:09 pm
Location: Croft Manor

Postby King Psyz on Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:19 pm

right, the war is coming so it makes me wonder why they don't accept that and try and get preparred if they have such easy access to the time machine.

if nothing else if I was the leader of the future human resistance as a backup plan I'd have people going back and building LOTS of those guns that knocked the skull right off that T-800 and stockpiling them across the nation and any other tech they can build with current day materials that can be effective against the machines and just be preparred so on judgement day they'll be prepped for the counter strike.

just sayin'
King Psyz
PSYZ MATTERS, DO YOU?
 
Posts: 4906
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:11 pm
Location: anywhere but here

PreviousNext

Return to Coaxial

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests