Evil Hobbit wrote:So if Skynet send Cameron to protect John they succeeded. Because she was in the flashback/forward of Reese.
allenw wrote:Evil Hobbit wrote:So if Skynet send Cameron to protect John they succeeded. Because she was in the flashback/forward of Reese.
But that was almost certainly Cameron from *before* she was sent back; we could discover otherwise, but that's certainly what we were meant to believe at the time.
King Psyz wrote:and did you catch the bit at the end where Uncle Reese was crying after watching Cameron and HEARING THE MUSIC SHE WAS DANCING TOO...
papalazeru wrote:Caught the first episode of this sorry sack of shit.
As much as I love Summer Glau and Leonidas' bit of stuff, this really is crap.
Has this been covered here?
All stuff going back in time (or forward as the case may be in this abortion of a show), has to be surrounded by biological matter.
TheBaxter wrote:this all goes back to the original film. what reese specifically said was "nothing DEAD can go back"... didn't actually say anything specifically about it being BIOLOGICAL, only about it being ALIVE. so presumably it's the fact that a terminator, in it's entirety, both flesh and metal, is alive that allows it to go through. that raises plenty of other questions, like why skynet, a machine, would build a time machine that only works for living things... but all this is part of the original mythos of the series as established in the first film. if you couldn't accept the premise from the beginning, why are you still watching the series 2 films and a tv series later? at some point you've got to either accept the rules of the universe as they've been set forth from the start, or give up altogether. you can't really blame the show, though, for staying true to the same rules that have been established by the films from the very beginning.
TheBaxter wrote:yeah, i thought he was just enthralled by seeing a dancing terminator, maybe thinking she could be more than just a cold-blooded killing machine.
but if it ties into the torture chamber somehow, that would be cool.
good episode, i think this show is getting better and better (i was iffy on the ballet stuff, but it paid off)
DanielSan wrote:Regarding whether Cameron is the same Cameron that BAG sees in the future:
In the second episode, Sarah asks, when they are going to go meet the 4 resistance fighters, "These resistance fighters. They know you?"
Cameron responds: "They've seen my before."
That leads me to believe that the Cameron we see in the future is the Cameron that eventually will go, but has not yet gone, into the past.
Retardo_Montalban wrote:I think that the Cameron that Brian Austin Reese sees in the bunker is the pre-time travel Cameron that was programmed as good, but the thing Torturing Reese in the basement is the current Cameron who has lived half a century and has slowly become an evil vindictive robot with a soul and ballet dances the truth out of her victims. Summer Glau used to be a pro ballet dancer and I was wondering when they'd write that into the show.
allenw wrote:Fievel wrote:King Psyz wrote:What's on the damned video tape and what did they do to B.A.G. in that damn dollhouse basement room?
Not showing the basement events pissed me off.
If it's bad enough you can't show it, then don't even allude to it.
It obviously wasn't something TOO bad as B.A.G. was still "with it" when they brought him back. I dug the Andy back story. Interesting how the cause of Judgement Day seems to change all the time... I like that.
Oh, I'm quite sure we'll see what happened in the basement real soon now (assuming the show continues). Most likely some kind of brainwashing, probably done by Cameron (previous-future version, or just one that looks like her... or maybe even the "present" one 20 years later?). Killing off chess-guy may not have been John Connor's idea...
Which ties into my Insane Insight: Skynet *knows* that its creation is part of a temporal loop. It may even have known so from the start, and that's *why* it sent Arnie back in the first place (and maybe "let" Connor send Reese back as well; note that we were just told that Connor couldn't have captured the Skynet time machine without help from the "reprogrammed" terminators).
Whether or not Skynet originally knew that John Connor was essential to its creation, it knows it "now" (whatever that means in this context). Cameron is protecting John Conner.... but on Skynet's behalf, to ensure that the time loop remains unbroken. It's all there in plain sight. Look at the series' opening narration, and note the first pronoun in the second sentence:
"In the future, my son will lead mankind in a war against Skynet, the computer system programmed to destroy the world. It has sent machines back through time, some to kill him, one to protect him. Today we fight to stop Skynet from ever being created. To change our future, to change his fate. The war to save mankind begins now."
Thoughts?
Cha-Ka Khan wrote:Will Scarlet wrote:Then with surgical calm she uses a pliers to yank out his chip.
Yeah, about that... that part really bothered me, because in everything we've seen, Terminators are virtually indestructible, unstoppable killing machines. And yet, suddenly they have a chip in their heads conveniently accessible from the outside? All you have to do is yank it out and it shuts them off?
Lame.
RogueScribner wrote:It gets better.
Not by leaps and bounds, but it's not Bionic Woman.
TheBaxter wrote:i liked the bit with BAG taking john connor to see his daddy as a little kid.
all the fbi agents getting thrown into the pool... in slow motion... was cheesy. c'mon, if you're gonna have a slaughter, at least show SOME of it.
King Psyz wrote:I thought the last 20 minutes was some of the best television I have ever seen, easily on a network broadcast.
I would have ended the episode on the paramedic dropping his radio though. The bit with Cameron and the Jeep was very much a Dallas or soap opera ending and quite silly.
Obviously it's going to be an issue what with her all melty and shit... goo thing she's be saving up on flesh...
The park scene was amazingly well written for prime time broadcast TV, more so for a genre series. I started crying like a little bitch so it worked on someone... Just seeing the connection on BAG's face as he looked on like a sort of surrogate Dad. Seeing the realisation of what's unfolding on John's face... Better than any attempt at a heartfelt moment in the actual movies I thought.
Everytime they went that route in T2 it felt silly and forced. This was natural and had an actual impact.
But then to follow that up with Johnny Mother Fuckin Cash and one of the most inventive ways around broadcast TV rules was over the fuckin top. Like holy shit woah.
I need more and more of whoever wrote those two scenes, and no more of whoever cobbled together the jeep bomb scene.
Retardo_Montalban wrote:Screw Robert Patrick. I want Linda Hamilton in some role, where she calls Lena Headey a pussy.
RogueScribner wrote:...but it's not Bionic Woman.
RogueScribner wrote:It gets better.
Not by leaps and bounds, but it's not Bionic Woman.
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