Pacino86845 wrote:I still think Rita is hot and that there should be more gratuitous nudity out of her... same for the reporter chick.
Leckomaniac wrote:I decided to give this show a shot recently.
I watched the first season and just adored it. The second season just blew nuts. I couldn't even believe I was watching the same show. And now I am a few episodes into the third season and it hasn't gotten much better.
What the fuck happened? It is too bad, really, because that first season was so excellent.
judderman wrote:No no! We need the internal monologues! They're what keep Dexter from being another police procedural. Anyway, Dexter onscreen is just a front. It's In-Head-Dexter that is the real character.
And the monologues are never that bad.
Pacino86845 wrote:Or it's the hot reporter chick!
So the coffin WAS for Trinity himself!
And how creepy was the preview for next week's episode? Holy fuck Trinity's son really looked fearful in that brief shot when he's about to get his finger broken, kudos to the actor!
This episode was awesome in pretty subtle ways, I will concur. Again, no in-head H@rry!! WOOHOO!
TheBaxter wrote:oh, and about the reporter chick... if she is the shooter then that would be exactly the kind of out-of-left-field plot development that would resemble a leather-clad tv show icon leaping over a deadly aquatic beast. her motive would have to be to create a big news story for herself, which would be pretty evil, even for a naked news reporter chick, but also would have been a massive fail since she HAD no story on it til deb finally agreed to the interview. it's kinda far-fetched to think that was her plan all along. so if she ends up being the killer, i'll be unhappy with this show
TheBaxter wrote:so pacino thought the hot reporter chick was lundy's killer, and i thought it might be one of trinity's family members. i guess we were BOTH right! i'm not sure how i feel about this yet... a lot will depend on next week's episode and how they explain her motivation for killing lundy. if her motivation WAS just to create a story for herself, then it's still a shark-jumping massive fail of epic proportions with a dash ofx 1000 due to the extreme coincidence of trinity's daughter just happening to kill the guy investigating her dad. i can't believe the writers would plot something as dumb as that, even the Heroes writers have more sense than that. so either a) trinity put her up to it somehow, or b) she knows her dad is the killer and did it on her own to protect him. and b) doesn't make much sense either because 1) if she wanted to protect her dad, why did she then write that big front-page story about how he's still on the loose, and 2) how did she even know lundy was on the trail of her dad to begin with, only trinity himself knew that. so it has to be a) trinity put her up to it, because anything else would be stupid.
but that still raises some questions. like 1) how much does she know about her dad's serial killing? if she's capable of killing herself, maybe she's his accomplice. or maybe the psycho streak got passed on genetically. if she's willing to go that far just because her dad asked her too, and seemingly not show any remorse over it, then she's got to be as fucked up as her dad. and she has to know something about how fucked up her dad is too.
the bigger question for me is 2) how did lundy recognize her? i STILL say it looked like lundy recognized the shooter. but he couldn't have known she was trinity's daughter, he didn't even know who trinity was, only just saw him and had a physical description. he didn't know his name, identity, or anything about his family, so he couldn't have recognized her that way. that only leaves the possibility that lundy really was just reacting to her holding a gun pointed at him. that's kinda lame. oh well.
i have to say, this season is probably the oddest season of dexter yet.
TheBaxter wrote:i kind of enjoyed this episode in spite of itself.
first, imaginary h@rry was back in full force. that's never a good sign.
then we have the wacky plot twist at the end. more about that in SUPER-SPOILER text below.
and there was some really bad acting, especially from trinity's family, and ESPECIALLY especially from trinity's wife. the whole "my husband's a psycho, i'm on the verge of hysterics and could break down at any moment so i'm just going to smile real big and act like everything is PERFECT" act was so cliche'd and over-the-top. in fact, EVERYTHING with the trinity family thanksgiving dinner was like a massive steaming pile of cliche: the doting nervous wife, the sheltered, lolita-esque daughter coming on to dexter, the in-the-closet Dumbledore son who finally stands up to dad... and yet, somehow i enjoyed it in spite of myself, even though i realized how bad and cliche'd it was. mainly because, again, lithgow is awesome, and when we finally get to see dexter's dark side come out and the look on trinity's face when dexter unleashes the monster on him... it was worth it for that.
i didn't buy dexter's reasoning for staying so long at their dinner though. he was worried what trinity would do to the son if he left. why? dexter doesn't care about people, he has no feelings. ok, he cares for his sister, for rita, for the kids, maybe even a little for his coworkers... but that's it. he doesn't care at all for other people. why would he care what happens to this kid of a killer who he barely knows? enough to stick around when he's worried about what his own kids or neighbor may have found in his shed? i didn't buy it. but still, i'll let it pass because it led to that great scene of him on top of trinity.
and now about that twist...
so pacino thought the hot reporter chick was lundy's killer, and i thought it might be one of trinity's family members. i guess we were BOTH right! i'm not sure how i feel about this yet... a lot will depend on next week's episode and how they explain her motivation for killing lundy. if her motivation WAS just to create a story for herself, then it's still a shark-jumping massive fail of epic proportions with a dash ofx 1000 due to the extreme coincidence of trinity's daughter just happening to kill the guy investigating her dad. i can't believe the writers would plot something as dumb as that, even the Heroes writers have more sense than that. so either a) trinity put her up to it somehow, or b) she knows her dad is the killer and did it on her own to protect him. and b) doesn't make much sense either because 1) if she wanted to protect her dad, why did she then write that big front-page story about how he's still on the loose, and 2) how did she even know lundy was on the trail of her dad to begin with, only trinity himself knew that. so it has to be a) trinity put her up to it, because anything else would be stupid.
but that still raises some questions. like 1) how much does she know about her dad's serial killing? if she's capable of killing herself, maybe she's his accomplice. or maybe the psycho streak got passed on genetically. if she's willing to go that far just because her dad asked her too, and seemingly not show any remorse over it, then she's got to be as fucked up as her dad. and she has to know something about how fucked up her dad is too.
the bigger question for me is 2) how did lundy recognize her? i STILL say it looked like lundy recognized the shooter. but he couldn't have known she was trinity's daughter, he didn't even know who trinity was, only just saw him and had a physical description. he didn't know his name, identity, or anything about his family, so he couldn't have recognized her that way. that only leaves the possibility that lundy really was just reacting to her holding a gun pointed at him. that's kinda lame. oh well.
i have to say, this season is probably the oddest season of dexter yet.
Pacino86845 wrote:TheBaxter wrote:i kind of enjoyed this episode in spite of itself.
first, imaginary h@rry was back in full force. that's never a good sign.
then we have the wacky plot twist at the end. more about that in SUPER-SPOILER text below.
and there was some really bad acting, especially from trinity's family, and ESPECIALLY especially from trinity's wife. the whole "my husband's a psycho, i'm on the verge of hysterics and could break down at any moment so i'm just going to smile real big and act like everything is PERFECT" act was so cliche'd and over-the-top. in fact, EVERYTHING with the trinity family thanksgiving dinner was like a massive steaming pile of cliche: the doting nervous wife, the sheltered, lolita-esque daughter coming on to dexter, the in-the-closet Dumbledore son who finally stands up to dad... and yet, somehow i enjoyed it in spite of myself, even though i realized how bad and cliche'd it was. mainly because, again, lithgow is awesome, and when we finally get to see dexter's dark side come out and the look on trinity's face when dexter unleashes the monster on him... it was worth it for that.
Yes, concur, although Trinity's family didn't bother me *too* much... but I will reiterate what I said last week, the kid who play's Trinity's son is actually a pretty decent actor... he's better than a few of the main players on the series (not Dexter, of course, but look at Batista and Laqwerty). He had a couple of lame-ass cheesy lines that I thought he delivered effectively.i didn't buy dexter's reasoning for staying so long at their dinner though. he was worried what trinity would do to the son if he left. why? dexter doesn't care about people, he has no feelings. ok, he cares for his sister, for rita, for the kids, maybe even a little for his coworkers... but that's it. he doesn't care at all for other people. why would he care what happens to this kid of a killer who he barely knows? enough to stick around when he's worried about what his own kids or neighbor may have found in his shed? i didn't buy it. but still, i'll let it pass because it led to that great scene of him on top of trinity.
I sort of agree, but sort of disagree too... Dexter does have a weird conscience of sorts, he just lacks emotion. H@rry's code basically tells him that in certain circumstances it's ok for Dexter to ritualistically kill people. Now Dexter has been leaving Arthur Mitchell alive on borrowed time out of curiosity, whereas his purpose is to stop killers before they harm other innocents... when Trinity finished his last cycle and Dexter saw that he was a "perfect" family man, he figured that no harm was going to come to anyone immediately so he could observe and learn more about Trinity in the mean time. However in the last episode Dexter learned that Trinity was in fact a monster in his daily life, so there would be a sense of regret in not having killed him already.and now about that twist...
so pacino thought the hot reporter chick was lundy's killer, and i thought it might be one of trinity's family members. i guess we were BOTH right! i'm not sure how i feel about this yet... a lot will depend on next week's episode and how they explain her motivation for killing lundy. if her motivation WAS just to create a story for herself, then it's still a shark-jumping massive fail of epic proportions with a dash ofx 1000 due to the extreme coincidence of trinity's daughter just happening to kill the guy investigating her dad. i can't believe the writers would plot something as dumb as that, even the Heroes writers have more sense than that. so either a) trinity put her up to it somehow, or b) she knows her dad is the killer and did it on her own to protect him. and b) doesn't make much sense either because 1) if she wanted to protect her dad, why did she then write that big front-page story about how he's still on the loose, and 2) how did she even know lundy was on the trail of her dad to begin with, only trinity himself knew that. so it has to be a) trinity put her up to it, because anything else would be stupid.
but that still raises some questions. like 1) how much does she know about her dad's serial killing? if she's capable of killing herself, maybe she's his accomplice. or maybe the psycho streak got passed on genetically. if she's willing to go that far just because her dad asked her too, and seemingly not show any remorse over it, then she's got to be as fucked up as her dad. and she has to know something about how fucked up her dad is too.
the bigger question for me is 2) how did lundy recognize her? i STILL say it looked like lundy recognized the shooter. but he couldn't have known she was trinity's daughter, he didn't even know who trinity was, only just saw him and had a physical description. he didn't know his name, identity, or anything about his family, so he couldn't have recognized her that way. that only leaves the possibility that lundy really was just reacting to her holding a gun pointed at him. that's kinda lame. oh well.
i have to say, this season is probably the oddest season of dexter yet.
Maybe Lundy had seen her before in one of his earlier Trinity investigations? Maybe the reason Lundy hadn't caught Trinity yet was in part because she had interfered with his investigations in the past? Or maybe it's just the gun...
Pacino86845 wrote:Michael C. Hall is good as always despite the writers obviously struggling with the character, but they should give John Lithgow some sort of bonus for holding this entire season together. Points go to Special Agent Rock Star Wild Bill Lundy as well but when they killed him off so early it was all up to Lithgow and Hall.
Pacino86845 wrote:Use spoiler tags for preview spoilers!!
I am pissed off, the episode turned out to be useless because it was completely ruined by last week's preview. I thought there was going to be a huge surprise/twist this episode, but it turns out it was just Trinity showing up at Miami Metro... which we already saw played out in the preview.
By having the best part spoiled in advance, I began to notice the crappier elements of the episode... like Laguerta and Angel, in-head H@rry, Deb being gross (how about that plaid shirt of hers, she's gone grunge tomboy), Quinn is officially a useless moron of a character. The hot reporter chick was pretty good though...
So I am totally pissed off because the coolest part of the episode had already been completely spoiled and the rest of it was useless. Urgh.
No, I did not watch the preview for next week's episode. And also I'm not sure I'll come back to watch season 5.
TheBaxter wrote:awesome finale! i can't say this was the best season overall (season 2 was), there were a couple real clunker episodes, and the laguerta-angel story was a real distraction. but it was definitely the best finale they've ever had.
there's no way to talk about the episode without going into massive spoilers, so i'll wait a few days before saying too much. all i will say right now is, the ending was... perfect.
Did Trinity tell Rita about Dexter before he killed her?
PHILLIPS: I don’t know the answer to that question. We haven’t talked about next season. But [my gut says] I would think that he did not tell her.
TheBaxter wrote:i posted this in TBs, but the fact is trinity DIDN'T KNOW dexter was a serial killer til the very end. so he COULDN'T have told rita anything. up to the point that dexter had him on the table, trinity just thought dexter was trying to be a vigilante when he was hunting trinity down. i hope when he thinks about that a bit more, he realizes that, or else it would be a big inconsistency if, for example, they had rita phone and tell someone, or write down somewhere, somethiing trinity told her that she couldn't have known.
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