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Postby BuckyO'harre on Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:54 am

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Postby RogueScribner on Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:17 am

The .com guy's sob story was equally parts touching and creepy. Which I think was the point. Ha ha.
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Postby papalazeru on Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:39 am

RogueScribner wrote:Anyhoo, tonight's ep of Dollhouse was really good and certainly upped the game. It was jam packed with goodness and really sets the stage for more goodness down the road. Crazy theory: FBI dude is Alpha! I can't take credit for that theory--it's my wife's--but after this episode I think she might be right. It's the only reason why certain people would have been killed and others kept alive, IMO. I did totally call the neighbor being a Doll, though. I knew that from her first annoying introduction a few weeks back.
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I don't think he is otherwise the Dollhouse would have known about him considering they have Paul tracked. Plus, everyone at the Dollhouse is beautiful and young (from what we know) and he doesn't fit the bill, he's too old to be in the Dollshouse when Echo was around. Tha'ts my guess. But again, he is called Alpha, maybe he was the prototype established years before and was more a father figure for the new recruits.

But, this episode absolutely rocked seven shades of the shit!!!

When the Vox pops first started I thought it was going to be cheap but it turns out it was a fantastic way to brakcet the morality of the dollhouse and this ep. The internet tycoon story was very interesting and touching and the twists and turns came fast and hard.

I wonder whether Echo was programmed to say to Paul about the Dollhouse was by an insider or the company itself? If the company sent Echo, was it to kill him or just so sleeper hottie could take care of Mr Bad Handler.

As Ms Dewit says at the end, 'I just played a bad hand really well'.

Lots of strokey beard parts and it was very good to do an episode discussing the morality so early on.

Loved it! 10/10 for this weeks.
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Postby Vegeta on Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:43 pm

really liking Dollhouse and have watched all six episodes. Fox needs to pair it with it's logical counterpart on the network... Fringe. Put Dollhouse on Tuesdays so it actually can get some ratings and veiwers. Last nights episode was awesome with numerous quotable lines and memorable scenes.
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby fangeek on Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:11 pm

i started watching this show because of Tahmoh Penikett and only because he was on the best Sci-Fi show ever. I will be the first to admit I didnt like it at first. I thought it was just going to an hour of watching Eliza (love the name by the way) running around wearing sexy outfits and and being all bad ass. For the most part I was right. The show had no real substance and seemed to just be moving along on one track. But last night's episode I am glad to say proved me wrong. For the first time I felt this show had direction. That it had a reason for being. I particulary loved the fight scene between the Tahmoh and Eliza. When a fight scene is done right between a man and a women the viewer almost feels as though they shouldnt be watching because it is so personal and sensual. Case in point the fight scene between Lee and Kara, I mean wow did it ever get hot in there. But this isnt about BSG. And can I just thank the casting department of Dollhouse for casting Miracle Laurie as a Doll and going against the perceived stereotype that we all bought into. She went from a meek almost slalkerish girl, to a sensual women, to a chick who can kick an intruder's ass, and back to a scared vulnerable girl all in one episode. Bravo casting department for proving that sexiness comes in all shapes. I really hope that we get to see more of Mark Sheppard on this show. I just love him. But I believe what finally nailed this series for me as one to continue watching is that the writers are beginning to show that these Dolls are more than just blank slates and that as much as one may try to erase themselves, or have a company do it for them, their real selves are still there.

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Postby Leckomaniac on Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:54 am

Just got caught up with this week's ep.

HOLY BALLS!

Totally awesome. Completely ramped up the show's badass-ness. I should have known better than to question whether or not Joss still had it in him. I hope the ratings hold steady or continue to tick up. I want this bad boy to continue if it is going to provide thrills like this.

I honestly can't believe how much was in this ep. It was just so jam packed, but the pacing at no point felt rushed. Kudos to Mr. Whedon, once more!
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby DanielSan on Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:06 am

Leckomaniac wrote:Just got caught up with this week's ep.

HOLY BALLS!

Totally awesome. Completely ramped up the show's badass-ness. I should have known better than to question whether or not Joss still had it in him. I hope the ratings hold steady or continue to tick up. I want this bad boy to continue if it is going to provide thrills like this.

I honestly can't believe how much was in this ep. It was just so jam packed, but the pacing at no point felt rushed. Kudos to Mr. Whedon, once more!


No shit, right? Great episode of what is turning into a great series. Hope people keep watching.
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Postby John-Locke on Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:19 am

The last episode I watched was the one with the Singer who wanted her fan to kill her, I gave up after that and haven't missed it. Do you think I can skip straight to this supposedly good episode or was there stuff in the others that is integral to the plot?
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Postby TonyWilson on Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:29 am

John-Locke wrote:The last episode I watched was the one with the Singer who wanted her fan to kill her, I gave up after that and haven't missed it. Do you think I can skip straight to this supposedly good episode or was there stuff in the others that is integral to the plot?


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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby DanielSan on Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:38 am

TonyWilson wrote:
John-Locke wrote:The last episode I watched was the one with the Singer who wanted her fan to kill her, I gave up after that and haven't missed it. Do you think I can skip straight to this supposedly good episode or was there stuff in the others that is integral to the plot?


Ditto


For the most part, yes, I think you could. Just pay attention to the "previously on" to make sure.
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby papalazeru on Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:43 am

John-Locke wrote:The last episode I watched was the one with the Singer who wanted her fan to kill her, I gave up after that and haven't missed it. Do you think I can skip straight to this supposedly good episode or was there stuff in the others that is integral to the plot?


Just download this weeks and see what you think?

All you really have to know is Helo is chasing the Dollhouse, he's got the hots for his neighbour and the Dollhouse is doing it's usually evil machinations.

There. :D
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Postby Maui on Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:55 am

I'm still watching this show, it's just OK. The last episode was a major improvement and was packed with alot of punch.
Each episode isn't tied to the previous episode with alot of smarts or mystery, so I think you can easily jump into any episode and pick up on what's going on.
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby DennisMM on Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:53 pm

Finally caught the Patton Oswalt ep on hulu. Interesting, more interesting than the others I've seen, though I haven't seen the cult episode yet. This opens the series up in a big way.
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Postby BuckyO'harre on Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:53 am

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Postby DanielSan on Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:04 am

BuckyO'harre wrote:Drugs are fun.


Echo's white thigh-highs are fun.
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Postby DennisMM on Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:23 am

I just started watching episode seven on Hulu. The Rossum Corporation? The Rossum building? Wow, how subtle.
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby DanielSan on Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:43 am

DennisMM wrote:I just started watching episode seven on Hulu. The Rossum Corporation? The Rossum building? Wow, how subtle.


Ummm.... yeah, it must be subtle, because I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Postby papalazeru on Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:51 am

The Rossum Corporation, and the Rossum Building on campus, takes its name from Karel Èapek's 1931 science-fiction stage play R.U.R., later translated to English under the full title of Rossum's Universal Robots. The play introduced (and popularized) the term robot in reference to automatons. In the play, the robots are not purely mechanical systems, but rather organic creatures assembled in a factory, more resembling the current definition of "clone" than that of "robot".


That is the most likely candidate. Mind you, The Rossum Project is an open source robotics project, and Rossum was a designer for Python (don't know if he still it or not) and did have links with Darpa.
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Postby DanielSan on Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:43 am

papalazeru wrote:
The Rossum Corporation, and the Rossum Building on campus, takes its name from Karel Èapek's 1931 science-fiction stage play R.U.R., later translated to English under the full title of Rossum's Universal Robots. The play introduced (and popularized) the term robot in reference to automatons. In the play, the robots are not purely mechanical systems, but rather organic creatures assembled in a factory, more resembling the current definition of "clone" than that of "robot".


That is the most likely candidate. Mind you, The Rossum Project is an open source robotics project, and Rossum was a designer for Python (don't know if he still it or not) and did have links with Darpa.


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Postby DennisMM on Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:51 pm

Sorry. I figured R.U.R. was pretty much a known quantity for fans of science fiction.
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Postby ONeillSG1 on Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:38 pm

Didn't know where to post this but since this is a Whedon-related thread . . .
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Postby RogueScribner on Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:58 pm

Damn. He was my age! :(
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby CeeBeeUK on Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:36 am

and so it begins...

Fox... Undercutting a Joss Whedon show? Never! :roll: :evil:
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby RogueScribner on Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:03 am

From the main page:

Was going to save this item until my usual Friday morning “Dollhouse” post, but my emailbox is exploding and my hand is forced.

"Dollhouse" actress Felicia Day “twittered” today that Fox won’t air the 13th and final episode of “Dollhouse’s” first season:

Man, day getting worse and worse. Found out my Dollhouse ep, #13 isn't gonna air. Only on DVD. Such a great part too. Thx Fox. :(


Panic reigns, though Fox confirms nothing so far, and is certainly not yet declaring the series cancelled.

Word is the series’ May 8 12th episode, “Omega,” is highly season-finale like, and the Joss Whedon-directed 13th, “Epitaph One,” is more of a tacked-on epilogue made specifically to fulfill the series' contractual 13-episode DVD obligation. (Perhaps it’s a “Buffy” season-four kind of thing: David Fury’s penultimate episode “Primeval” effectively concluded the season-four arc by destroying the Frankensteiny Adam and the Sunnydale branch of The Initiative -- but the season technically ended with the standalone dream-happy Cheese Man episode “Restless” written and directed by series mastermind Whedon.)

“Dollhouse” writer-producer Tim Minear explains the finale situation on Whedonesque.com:

Okay. So maybe I can help clarify this somewhat. Because we scrapped the original pilot -- and in fact cannibalized some of its parts for other eps -- we really ended up with 12 episodes. But the studio makes DVD and other deals based on the original 13 number. So we created a standalone kind of coda episode. Which is the mythical new episode 13. The network had already paid for 13 episodes, and this included the one they agreed to let us scrap for parts. It does not include the one we made to bring the number back up to 13 for the studio side and its obligations. We always knew it would be for the DVD for sure, but we also think Fox should air it because it’s awesome.


Day guest stars in the finale, and maybe “Firefly” vet Alan Tudyk, rumored to play the murderous “active” Alpha, too.

I am reminded that NBC wasn’t going to air the “Journeyman” finale – until it did.

The ninth "Dollhouse" episode, "Spy in the House of Love," airs Friday.



So I don't think it's Fox doing any undercutting. The Fox network paid for 13 episodes and they got 13 episodes. Then they allowed one of the episodes to be scrapped. But the Fox production company had DVD and other deals to honor, so they created a 13th episode, a coda to the season since the "season finale" is really episode 12 now. The Fox network doesn't seem interested in airing the coda at this point in time. That's their decision. I don't think it's one to really get up in arms over. If the show is renewed (pleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease) maybe they'll show it in the fall. If it's not, the coda will certainly be on the DVD set. We won't be robbed of any closure this year, however, because the season finale is episode 12 and it will be aired.
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Postby The Vicar on Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:07 pm

Is it just me, or does the premise of this series seem like what River Tam would likely have been doing if her brother hadn't rescued her from the lab?
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby RogueScribner on Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:27 am

Another good episode. I thought it was weird how they knew to break into the NSA to get a mole's identity, but then it made sense later on. I like what they're doing with Echo. The mole was seemingly caught, but was he? Dominic said he was trying to make sure the Dollhouse was contained and it seems the spy who keeps sending messages to Ballard wants it exposed. I'm thinking maybe Saunders is the true mole, which would explain why she never leaves the complex.
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Postby papalazeru on Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:59 pm

RogueScribner wrote:Another good episode. I thought it was weird how they knew to break into the NSA to get a mole's identity, but then it made sense later on. I like what they're doing with Echo. The mole was seemingly caught, but was he? Dominic said he was trying to make sure the Dollhouse was contained and it seems the spy who keeps sending messages to Ballard wants it exposed. I'm thinking maybe Saunders is the true mole, which would explain why she never leaves the complex.


Saunders is a little too obvious though. She doesn't have the neccessary computer skills to use or modify the memory imprinter....or does she?

I don't think Topher had the know how either but it seems for feasible as he worked for the NSA, but they were there to learn about the tech so how could they know how to modify it when they don't fully understand it?

My guess, Alpha, using coded signals. The same one that wiped Echo's mind in the bank job.

This series has kept suprising me all the way through, this isn't your typical show at all, Nicely structured and also deals with the morality too.

I'm interested to see where they are going with the Rossum Corporation and what kind of level of Ass Baddery it can inflict on people.
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby DennisMM on Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:30 pm

Last night was interesting and hilarious at several points. I don't know if those were deliberately hilarious or just from the cheese factor that grows out of most adventure-action oriented programming.

1. DeWitt is shot in the abdomen and shows almost no distress, only flinching while they complete Dominic's wipe and during the extraction of the bullet. (At least Ballard collapsed after killing/beating the Russian maf types when he was shot.)
2. They build up Sierra's "roof extraction" from the NSA, going to a commercial when she finds she's stuck at a locked door - and no resolution is shown. Just too expensive or subverting the action genre?
3. The entire sequence with Sierra infiltrating the NSA. She appears to be taller than the woman whose place she assumed and her face is much thinner and eyes more almond-shaped. But one asian woman in a bowl haircut pretty much looks like another, right? Even the guard who knew the character's name didn't blink twice!
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby papalazeru on Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:44 am

DennisMM wrote:Last night was interesting and hilarious at several points. I don't know if those were deliberately hilarious or just from the cheese factor that grows out of most adventure-action oriented programming.

1. DeWitt is shot in the abdomen and shows almost no distress, only flinching while they complete Dominic's wipe and during the extraction of the bullet. (At least Ballard collapsed after killing/beating the Russian maf types when he was shot.)
2. They build up Sierra's "roof extraction" from the NSA, going to a commercial when she finds she's stuck at a locked door - and no resolution is shown. Just too expensive or subverting the action genre?
3. The entire sequence with Sierra infiltrating the NSA. She appears to be taller than the woman whose place she assumed and her face is much thinner and eyes more almond-shaped. But one asian woman in a bowl haircut pretty much looks like another, right? Even the guard who knew the character's name didn't blink twice!


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I agree. I thought it would have been blindingly obviousl

Poeple usually collapse from Bullet wounds once they know they've been shot, it's the psychosymatic response that drops them. Of course they do drop anyway at some point. Could it be she's had some training of some sort, cos that's a very military thing to do, to know not to react to it.

Just watched the extraction again, it was a bit of a strange way to conclude that section but maybe it wasn't important quite how she did, or maybe it's important that we didn't see. Considering Topher wanted them to access the information, it could have been a set up.
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Postby burlivesleftnut on Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:12 pm

Just caught up on like 7 weeks of the show. Other than the staff gets drugged episode, I really enjoyed all of it. I love the characterization we are getting from Olivia Williams needing her own doll, or the way Echo, if though just a doll, slowly taking apart the Dollhouse, or Helo's experience with his neighbor and the tragedy he felt when he found out she was a doll. All good stuff. Because I am enjoying the characters more, I really want to see this come back, which means it prolly won't. :'(
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Postby ONeillSG1 on Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:40 am

The Vicar wrote:Is it just me, or does the premise of this series seem like what River Tam would likely have been doing if her brother hadn't rescued her from the lab?


I think that a lot of Joss' ideas for TV shows would have played out in Firefly's story arcs. Heck, it would probably be in season 5 or 6 by now, right?
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Postby RogueScribner on Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:38 pm

It'd be in season 7.

I would have been happy with only 4 or 5 seasons.
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Postby papalazeru on Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:07 pm

Subjected my girlfiend to the first 2 eps.

She forced me to show her the other 3 :) Oh damn!

I'm so looking forward to exposing her to Ep 6 where things change, she HAS to love it.

If not,

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Postby swoop91 on Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:39 pm

Can't wait for another episode of this. Good bless the internets, for this show wouldn't air in my country (croatia) in any reasonable time,
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Anyways, Eliza+Joss, I love it. However i cant stand that November. I hate her.
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Postby DennisMM on Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:36 am

Need ... another ... episode!

Frakkin' Prison Break.

Love November. Love that some dolls look like people off the street. They'd need to.
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby swoop91 on Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:34 pm

Cmon, you guys can't be serious with having no one commenting episode 10!

I loved it. Toufer (or whatsitspelled) and Sierra, Echo and "who killed the old lady", lady in charge and black security guy..
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby burlivesleftnut on Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:20 pm

swoop91 wrote:Cmon, you guys can't be serious with having no one commenting episode 10!

I loved it. Toufer (or whatsitspelled) and Sierra, Echo and "who killed the old lady", lady in charge and black security guy..


For some reason my DVR only recorded the previews for next week. Can anyone give a detailed, spoilery synop?
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Postby TonyWilson on Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:06 am

Margaret Bashford, a friend of Adelle's, is riding her favorite horse when she unexpectedly dies. However, Margaret is a regular Dollhouse customer and had suspected that she might be murdered. She had contracted with the Dollhouse to undergo regular, painful brain scans.

Echo awakens, imprinted with Margaret's most recent memories (which are current as of her last scan, nearly a month before). Enjoying tea with Adelle, Margaret relishes her young and beautiful body, and eventually explains her plan for the engagement: to see her own funeral and possibly solve the mystery of her own murder. Although the death is officially a heart attack, Margaret believes that it is unlikely that she would die so suddenly, in such good health.

Boyd discovers this new engagement, and is deeply troubled by the philosophical implications of this form of life after death. He fears that Margaret might attempt to escape, using Echo's body to achieve a form of stolen immortality. He also worries about the morality of removing the imprint (and therefore "murdering" her) at the end of the engagement. Distracted by these issues, Boyd absentmindedly approves Topher's request for a doll to run some diagnostics on, and gives him Sierra.

Margaret and Adelle arrive at the funeral. There, Margaret points Adelle to her immediate family: her son Nicholas, her daughter Jocelyn, her long-estranged alcoholic brother William, and her husband, Jack. Margaret explains that she has been preparing them for more than a year for the arrival of a beautiful young confidante named "Julia", so her identity will be safely established.

Meanwhile, Sierra awakens with a nerdy gamer's personality and interests, eager to have fun. Sierra and Topher embark on a weekend-long campaign of fun, playing laser tag, video games, enjoying junk food and speculating about ways to misuse their power over the "sleepies" (dolls).

After the funeral, Margaret expects the pleasure of reminiscing about her life with her own next of kin, but is rudely shocked to hear that she was perceived as cold, commanding and distant. Nicholas believes that she pressured him constantly into his current career as a stockbroker. Jocelyn believes that her mother ignored and didn't care about her, especially her passionate career for photography. William takes the most charitable view of his sister, saying she was much like her mother (much to Margaret's chagrin). The family speculate that Margaret was murdered by her gold-digging husband. Nicholas attempts to seduce Margaret, but Margaret, horrified, resists her son's advances.

In her will, Margaret divided her fortune among her children and brother; her young and attractive husband received only her prize horses. Although she had intended her gift to her husband to be a sign of her love, he resents not receiving any of her fortune and being burdened with horses that he couldn't have cared less about. He realizes that the family believe he killed her, which he finds ironic because he was left nothing of value. He throws Margaret out, thinking she is a spy sent by the family.

Margaret realizes that Jack may not have inherited as little as she believed. He is selling her favorite prize horse as a racehorse, and expects to make a small fortune from it. Now realizing that someone very close to her might have indeed killed her, she calls Adelle, who dispatches Victor as a horse-buyer to investigate. Adelle also tells Boyd not to interfere with Topher's yearly fun; his loneliness could be a danger to the Dollhouse. Meanwhile, through the window, Sierra presents Topher with a birthday cake.

After talking with her family some more, Margaret realizes that there are things she never knew about her children. Her son Nicholas was deeply in debt, her daughter had a career in photography she never knew about, and her brother claimed the two had reconciled the day before she died. Any of the four could have a reason to have killed her. Victor adds to the evidence when he discovers that their prize horse, now Jack's, has been carefully doped with steroids and a masking drug. This makes the horse look very valuable now, but worthless for racing. The same drugs would have been able to convincingly make Margaret's murder look natural as well.

Margaret enjoys riding her horse one last time late at night, confiding that she would miss him most of all, when she is surprised by Nicholas. A Dollhouse customer himself, he has guessed her secret. He admits to his monstrous gambling debts and the two reconcile when Jack mysteriously arrives with Victor. Nicholas and Margaret hide and hear Victor reveal that he has discovered the doping. Victor storms off. Thinking he is alone, Jack screams with rage and frustration. Suddenly aware that he has been seen, he gives chase to Nicholas and Margaret.

Mother and son escape to her room, where she formulates a plan while Jack beats on the door in fury. She will write a note (in her own handwriting, of course), accuse her husband of the murder she now knows he committed and back-date it to a week before she died. The note complete, she suddenly realizes that Jack knows nothing about horses and wouldn't have known how to dope the horse. Nicholas reveals that he was the murderer. With the family fortune in hand he can escape his debts, and with the note he can set up Jack for the killing.

At this point, Jack breaks the door down; he realized earlier that Nicholas had set him up and was pursuing him for murdering his beloved wife. The two fight and Nicholas is subdued. Margaret burns the original note and writes another. Attached, she has written an addendum to her will, disinheriting Nicholas and giving his share to everyone else. She has also written messages to her family expressing her love for them and healing old wounds. She finishes by giving a private note to Jack, who genuinely loved her, confirming to him that he was more than her plaything.

Back at the Dollhouse, Adelle expresses surprise that Margaret didn't at least attempt to escape. Margaret admits she thought about it, but knew Adelle well and realized she wouldn't have made it to the airport. Sitting down to die, she bids her old friend goodbye. Adelle holds her hand as the imprint is wiped from Echo.
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby RaulMonkey on Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:20 pm

Featuring Ian Anthony Dale as the young, Southeast Asian widower, Jack. If the BBC ever remakes Dollhouse the way that ABC remade Life on Mars, this role belongs to Kirk.

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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby RogueScribner on Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:38 pm

burlivesleftnut wrote:
swoop91 wrote:Cmon, you guys can't be serious with having no one commenting episode 10!

I loved it. Toufer (or whatsitspelled) and Sierra, Echo and "who killed the old lady", lady in charge and black security guy..


For some reason my DVR only recorded the previews for next week. Can anyone give a detailed, spoilery synop?


Basically it was about how everyone in the world is lonely and doesn't realize the effect they have on others.
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby burlivesleftnut on Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:39 pm

Thanks Tony. Sounds like it was an okay to miss ep.
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby RogueScribner on Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:45 am

It wasn't a huge mythology advancing episode, no, but there was some subtle character work going on. I felt especially bad for Ballard.
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby swoop91 on Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:19 pm

I agree with Rouge. nice ep
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Postby BuckyO'harre on Sat May 02, 2009 2:57 am

That was some good toob right there.

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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby papalazeru on Sat May 02, 2009 7:58 am

ALPHA!!!!!!!!! is WASH


OMG. How cool is that.

and when he slashed Victor's face, man that was a shock. I semi suspected he could have been a doll but not Alpha.


Awesome. And the ending, oh my.....

Now, we have to work out what Alpha and Echo's imprints are. Is Paul going to join the Dollhouse and help them?

Too many questions....must...have....more....NOWWWWW!
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby DennisMM on Sat May 02, 2009 4:35 pm

Last night was quite the mind fuck, wasn't it? Especially the way they set up the story of the abused girl, only to drop it. Does this mean we'll lack close on that, or will it be significant in saving Echo?

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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby burlivesleftnut on Sat May 02, 2009 10:10 pm

Yes this was a surprisingly twisted episode. I had a few problems like Ballard getting into the Dollhouse so easily and the little girl storyline, but over all I really liked it.

But WTF Joss? Why hint that "what if Alpha is someone we've seen but we don't KNOW it's Alpha"? I wasted too much mental energy trying to figure out who Alpha was based on your bastard lies! My guess was that Ballard was a post-imprint Alpha, and that is why he was so obsessed with Caroline and the Dollhouse. But now I just suspect that we will find out that Ballard was just a doll at some point.
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby swoop91 on Sun May 03, 2009 6:44 am

Would be cool if they didn't announce who would play alpha like 5 weeks ago :(

Good that i didn't talk with my no lifer, geek friend till after the show, when he pointed me that out :D
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby RogueScribner on Sun May 03, 2009 12:32 pm

It wasn't "announced" per se. Word got out that Tudyk filmed scenes on Dollhouse and he attended the wrap party, so that got people talking and everyone drew a logical conclusion. That was two months ago. If they cast a nobody, maybe the Alpha reveal still would have been a surprise (though less entertaining).

Anyhoo, I really liked the ep. Even last week's ep. I wonder if Alpha was acting the entire time or if he can switch between personalities at will? Like, he can will himself to be imprinted however he wants and he has the power to turn it off at any time (subconsciously, natch).
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Re: Dollhouse (WHEDON'S RETURN TO TV!)

Postby swoop91 on Sat May 09, 2009 10:13 am

10/10 for the show and series finale.
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