DanielSan wrote:Season 2 starts tonight! Don't forget!
DanielSan wrote:Season 2 starts tonight! Don't forget!
papalazeru wrote:Hmmmm...Lots of development to play catch up with but I was really hoping that they would have continued with the future for a bit longer.
burlivesleftnut wrote:papalazeru wrote:Hmmmm...Lots of development to play catch up with but I was really hoping that they would have continued with the future for a bit longer.
Why would you have that expectation considering only people who watched the DVDs or downloaded the episode even saw it?
I thought the premier all right. Not spectacular, but interesting. I really don't have much to say about it.
Ribbons wrote:I don't know if this has been mentioned yet in the thread, but I've read a couple article/interview things where Whedon indicates that they DO plan on returning to the future timeline sometime during the second season, but probably not until fairly late in the game. They thought about beginning the season in the future, but decided that the timing wasn't right, or whatever.
Ribbons wrote:5 Reasons It Sucks Being a Joss Whedon Fan
papalazeru wrote:Ribbons wrote:5 Reasons It Sucks Being a Joss Whedon Fan
That's pretty funny shit but they forgot one of the main reaons...
6. When Whedons shows generally get good...they not enough people watch them and they get canned.
7. Whedon keeps going back to Fox who tear him a new one each time.
RogueScribner wrote:This ep kicked ass. Anyone who dismisses Dollhouse as a show about whores or a series that hits the reset button every week is missing the point--and obviously not watching the show. Gorram it! I hope there's some sense of closure when they finish their 13. No way they're getting a back 9. *sigh*
DennisMM wrote:Off for five weeks. FIVE WEEKS! They'd rather show House reruns in between Series games? I don't get it.
Nick wrote:DennisMM wrote:Off for five weeks. FIVE WEEKS! They'd rather show House reruns in between Series games? I don't get it.
Because House repeats do 62.5% better than Dollhouse
And it is a sweeps month
Nellie Andreeva wrote:"Dollhouse" stars Eliza Dushku as a DNA-altered woman who gets implanted false memories for various missions and tasks.
Ribbons wrote:lol, see that's part of "Dollhouse" (and Whedon shows in general)'s problem (a good problem, in my opinion, but it does make for a short shelf life). If you were trying to sell the idea to someone, you'd need like a paragraph just to explain what the fuck it is.
RogueScribner wrote:Well, this is surprising to absolutely no one. I feel the show was really hitting its stride this season, but we'll never know where it would have led. Hopefully Whedon can find another project to sink his teeth into that'll last more than a season or two. I think he's lost some of his mojo, though.
The Vicar wrote:He keeps putting his shows on Fox, and has the nerve to look surprised each and every time Fox screws one of his shows over.
D'oh.
The Vicar wrote:Yeah, but then they wipe their arse with them. Firefly was shown out of order, which never helps.
Ryan: Just talking about the bigger picture of the show and how it's evolved, you have talked other times about the fact that you always wanted standalones as part of the "Dollhouse" mixture. And there have been some really good ones. So you've been on record as wanting a mixture of standalones and mythology, but I'm wondering if the current climate of network TV in general is just not going to be friendly to the amount of mythology that you would like to put out there and that people seem to respond to.
Whedon: It’s going to be friendly if the people show up. The problems that the show encountered weren’t standalone versus mythology. Basically the show didn’t really get off the ground because the network pretty much wanted to back away from the concept five minutes after they bought it and then ultimately, the show itself is also kind of odd and difficult to market. I actually think they did a good job, but it’s just not a slam-dunk concept. It wasn’t like our numbers were huge and plummeted. They were tiny and still somehow managed to plummet. We alienated both our viewers.
Ryan: In terms of the network backing away from the concept -- you were able to kind of get back and do your thing midway through Season 1. How much of that was a factor in Season 2?
Whedon: Very much. I mean, midway through Season 1 [it was,] "OK, here is the show." We got the espionage that the network wants, but it’s the questions about identity that we want. There are other things about the show that never came back and I didn’t really realize it until the second season, [there were] things that we were ultimately sort of dancing around.
The idea of sexuality was a big part of the show when it started and when that fell out, when the show turned into a thriller every week, it took something out of it that was kind of basic to what we were trying to do. And then also the fact that it was a thriller every week meant that we couldn’t go from genre to genre, which is really what I wanted to do. But we did manage to keep the questions about who we are and the interpersonal stuff and [there was] the amazing ensemble and everybody shining and doing cool stuff.
But there was… We always found ourselves sort of moving away from what had been part of the original spark of the show and that ultimately just makes it really hard to write these stories. It makes it twice as hard as usual. [Normally] you have that sort of kernel that you’re building on that’s completely solid. You know, "She is a little girl with super powers." "He is a cranky doctor who always gets it right." Whatever it is you sort of can build off that. When you’re trying to back away from your central premise at the same time as you’re making that [show,] it gets complicated.
papalazeru wrote:One of the more recent favourite moments was Victor being Topher. A spot on impression, and not just that, done wonderfully during a drama heavy episode.
DennisMM wrote:Boyd? BOYD?
Oh, dear.
sonnyboo wrote:Old Joss might be losing his touch. A twist for the sake of being a twist? Please God, let this turn out well.
I'm a huge Whedonite, but Dollhouse has been a disappointment. I just re-watched FIREFLY and SERENITY on Blu Ray, and this show is not even in the same sport, nonetheless field comparatively.
It's been okay, and part of what was missing in most of season one (series one for my European friends) was the trademark humor. Eliza Dushku is hot, but she isn't a 3rd the actors of her co-stars who seem like acting chameleons with masters in accents. Now that they made ECHO more or less the exact same performance as CAROLYN, there really is no attempt to mask the fact she isn't a diverse actress. I like Eliza when she does what she does well, but in the context of the show, it's kind of a deal breaker. The 2nd season titles made it all about the various erotic outfits she wears on the show. At least they are going out with a Whedon-bang of mythology so there is some sense of epic, but it's ultimately a lesser product to his other works.
I'm worried this failure to attract audiences might not be the end of Whedon's more original and ambitious TV projects. Which is really a shame because he is a master at the genre of re-inventing shows ever season and making them interesting (and with incredible writing and directing in almost every case, Dollhouse excluded).
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