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Postby papalazeru on Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:39 pm

Brit Pop wrote:Sontarans are the Klingons of the Doctor Whoniverse... awesome shit kickers.

There no nonsense badassery makes them fucking brilliant to watch.

SONTAR-A SONTAR-A!!


I read on the main site, they had a review up of the Sontaran Stratagem with the comment, '...the lesser known enemy, the Sontarans'.

Found that really strange considering they were quite a popular enemy.
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Postby Fried Gold on Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:02 pm

It helped that the make-up was a little better than in the past:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJzIN8Jvbfo
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Postby judderman on Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:04 am

Agreed.

They may be the Klingons of the Whoniverse, but one wonders if Star Trek stole the Jem'Hadar from them, just as everyone sorta suspects they stole the Borg from the cybermen.

I cringed a little at this ep, mainly at Freema's attempts to be evil. I really felt let down by the chant at the end; they should have been screaming like the gates of hell opening. Instead it sounded like they were singing "Pease Porridge Hot."

And how many evil lifestyle conveniences have to take over the world? I mean yes, Doctor Who has been employing that plot trick since the 70s, but there's homage and then there's creative indolence.

And that annoying American kid. Please someone kill him. If he learns his lesson and goes good at the end I will smash my TV set with my bare hands.
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Postby Shan on Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:59 am

I'm not entirely convinced by these Sontarans; traditionally it's not a Sontaran unless they sounds like they're about to die from an asthma attack every time they speak.
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Postby papalazeru on Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:02 am

Shan wrote:I'm not entirely convinced by these Sontarans; traditionally it's not a Sontaran unless they sounds like they're about to die from an asthma attack every time they speak.


Does Vanessa Feltz count as a Sontaran?
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Postby Shan on Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:10 am

papalazeru wrote:
Shan wrote:I'm not entirely convinced by these Sontarans; traditionally it's not a Sontaran unless they sounds like they're about to die from an asthma attack every time they speak.


Does Vanessa Feltz count as a Sontaran?


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Postby Fried Gold on Sat May 03, 2008 2:05 pm

Part 2 was very good indeed.

I still think that story was the perfect blend of everything - effects, acting, character, plot, scale...old school references. It was even able to have a decent conclusion.

I assume I'm not the only one who saw that small flash of Rose in the monitor?

Not sure how the Doctor's Daughter will turn out next week.
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Postby judderman on Sat May 03, 2008 2:35 pm

Could be good, could be terrible. That said, Peter Davison's daughter is pretty damn hot.

I liked the conclusion much better than the last, although I think that the Sontarans could be better employed.
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Postby Worst Part's Almost Over on Sat May 03, 2008 6:07 pm

Fried Gold wrote:I assume I'm not the only one who saw that small flash of Rose in the monitor?


You are not, sir :wink:

Fried Gold wrote:Not sure how the Doctor's Daughter will turn out next week.


I think the only way it's going to be any good is if she turns out to actually be his daughter and the mother of Susan. If it transpires that it's some kind of stolen DNA story, it's just not going to work. Just my opinion, mind.

And part 2 was, indeed, excellent. Loved the references to The Brigadier and The Empty Child too.
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Postby papalazeru on Sat May 03, 2008 8:21 pm

I thought the second part was a bit of a let down. Only slightly.

I thought the genius kid sacrificing his life was far too obvious and there was not enough vengeance in his to do that.

It was still a good epidose, I just felt a little let down this week rather than last weeks exilerating start.
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Postby Shan on Sun May 04, 2008 10:30 am

I wish they'd clarify that business about Susan once and for all.

I believe back in the dark ages of the show's launch, it was thought to be a bit immoral for an older gentleman to be travelling with a much younger woman, so the designation of "granddaughter" was stuck on her to make it seem respectable. This was before any of the concepts such as Time Lords and Regenerations were even remotely on the horizon. (Early drafts which I believe were dropped from the final version had her saying she was from the 41st century or something like that).

In the context of the show itself, I just always felt she was human and picked up by the doctor and they used the term granddaughter to cover their travelling together, such as in the school in the first episode.
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Postby Brit Pop on Sun May 04, 2008 11:11 am

The whole daughter thing just stinks of the BBC planning a new character edition to Torchwood, or maybe doing the PC thing and having yet another spinoff featuring a hot, female Time Lord. Buffy the Dalek Slayer or what not.
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Postby papalazeru on Sun May 04, 2008 11:31 am

Brit Pop wrote:The whole daughter thing just stinks of the BBC planning a new character edition to Torchwood, or maybe doing the PC thing and having yet another spinoff featuring a hot, female Time Lord. Buffy the Dalek Slayer or what not.


Too true Britpop.

As soon as I saw the trailer I just gawped at how awful the whole thing sounded.
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Postby Fried Gold on Sun May 04, 2008 2:05 pm

SPOILERS:








The Radio Times synopsis for the next episode of "Doctor Who Confidential" says:


Doctor Who ConfidentialSaturday 10 May
7:30pm - 8:15pm
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Sins of the Fathers
Behind-the-scenes look at the making of Doctor Who. There's a new kid on the block and the Doctor isn't impressed, as his daughter Jenny bounds into view, and a look back through the Doctor's generation time line to find out why two Doctors can sometimes be better than one. Featuring interviews with David Tennant, Peter Davison, Georgia Moffett and Russell T Davies.

Which seems to suggest that his daughter will be a Time Lord, which could imply that more Time Lords will appear in future and also shows that she may have a lame Time Lord name like Susan Foreman did.
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Postby papalazeru on Sun May 04, 2008 5:48 pm

What got me was that one stupid line,

' elo Dad'

Fucking ridiculous. I think RTD is beginning to lose it.

It seems to ba pattern with RTD's Doctor Who that he reinvents old enemies only to have the assistants questions them and have some sort of empathy.

I mean, why does to the Doctor bother, I ask you.
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Postby Fried Gold on Sat May 10, 2008 2:35 pm

So...they're gradually repopulating the universe with Time Lords.
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Postby judderman on Sat May 10, 2008 4:02 pm

They dragged out the regeneration until my teeth hurt, and when it finally happened, she didn't change form.

Some bad writing, but some good ideas. There was a similar episode of the old Star Trek that did it better.
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Postby papalazeru on Sat May 10, 2008 4:18 pm

Fucking shit.

I can't believe it. They are definately going for a spin off show aren't they. Utter drivel. Bad writing and no care for the characters whatsoever.

Cash Cow episode!

RTD is a gentleman.
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Postby Brit Pop on Sat May 10, 2008 4:55 pm

That episiode was shite! I hate RTD - he is ruining everything!
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Postby papalazeru on Sat May 10, 2008 5:09 pm

Doctor Who 3: The search for Spock, I mean Jenny.

...and he started out so well with the first seasons.
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Postby TonyWilson on Sat May 10, 2008 5:16 pm

RTD has never been able to write a satisfactory ending to any of his Doctor Who scripts, now the beginnings and middle are shite too.
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Postby Fried Gold on Sat May 10, 2008 5:41 pm

I assume Jenny didn't actually die....and therefore didn't actually regenerate.....assuming the stuff that came out of her mouth (other than the crap dialogue) at the end was the terraform energy stuff, as it looked.
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Postby papalazeru on Sat May 10, 2008 6:06 pm

Considering she's got two hearts (...and just...one...mind :lol:), how did she die with one bullet? I saw no blood loss.

Really, the script shat itself out.

2 warring factions that have been fighting so long that they forgot why. Oh yeah, original. No possibly the most overuse Sci fi plot imaginable.
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Postby Belac on Sat May 10, 2008 6:20 pm

Why is RTD getting blamed for episodes he hasn't wrote? It can't be just because he's the executive producer, because no one gives him credit for good episodes that he doesn't write.

Anyway, I'm not a massive fan of the series, but I thought tonight's one was okay. Although Georgia Moffet might have had quite a bit to do with that...
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Postby Fried Gold on Sat May 10, 2008 6:22 pm

One of the main page reviewers asks "How does Martha know about regeneration? She’s never seen one!".

Clearly they've missed that Martha works for UNIT and also spent quite a long time travelling with The Doctor...so it's not a great leap of faith to understand that she might know about it.
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Postby papalazeru on Sun May 11, 2008 3:25 am

Belac wrote:Why is RTD getting blamed for episodes he hasn't wrote? It can't be just because he's the executive producer, because no one gives him credit for good episodes that he doesn't write.

Anyway, I'm not a massive fan of the series, but I thought tonight's one was okay. Although Georgia Moffet might have had quite a bit to do with that...


He's the Executive Producer. He is responsible at all points.

Oh and when the eps are good we do give him credit, actually.
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Postby Retardo_Montalban on Sun May 11, 2008 3:36 am

Fried Gold wrote:I assume Jenny didn't actually die....and therefore didn't actually regenerate.....assuming the stuff that came out of her mouth (other than the crap dialogue) at the end was the terraform energy stuff, as it looked.


Search for Spock!! She's going to get some Pon Far in that shuttle or something. Was this episode some sort of attempt at a Dr. Who spinoff for the young hip teens?
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Postby papalazeru on Sun May 11, 2008 5:21 am

Retardo_Montalban wrote:
Fried Gold wrote:I assume Jenny didn't actually die....and therefore didn't actually regenerate.....assuming the stuff that came out of her mouth (other than the crap dialogue) at the end was the terraform energy stuff, as it looked.


Search for Spock!! She's going to get some Pon Far in that shuttle or something. Was this episode some sort of attempt at a Dr. Who spinoff for the young hip teens?


In the words of Ned Ryerson,

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Postby Fried Gold on Tue May 13, 2008 3:35 pm

Which Presidential Candidate Makes the Best Sidekick for Which Dr. Who?

http://blog.indecision2008.com/2008/05/12/which-candidate-makes-the-best-sidekick-for-which-dr-who/

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Postby The Vicar on Thu May 15, 2008 4:54 pm

Fried Gold wrote:One of the main page reviewers asks "How does Martha know about regeneration? She’s never seen one!".

Clearly they've missed that Martha works for UNIT and also spent quite a long time travelling with The Doctor...so it's not a great leap of faith to understand that she might know about it.


And the big death scene with The Master included the Doctor screaming "regenerate!!"
She might have asked about that sooner or later.....
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The Vicar wrote:And the big death scene with The Master included the Doctor screaming "regenerate!!"
She might have asked about that sooner or later.....


Wouldn't you? :D
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Postby The Vicar on Fri May 16, 2008 12:13 pm

Worst Part's Almost Over wrote:
The Vicar wrote:And the big death scene with The Master included the Doctor screaming "regenerate!!"
She might have asked about that sooner or later.....


Wouldn't you? :D


Hell no - I'd be turning out The Master's pockets looking for loose change.
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Postby Fried Gold on Tue May 20, 2008 11:43 am

Russell T Davies has just stepped down as showrunner.
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Postby CeeBeeUK on Tue May 20, 2008 12:01 pm

Fried Gold wrote:Russell T Davies has just stepped down as showrunner.



But at least Steven Moffat will take over. Source

Even Moffat's quotes are funny
Steven Moffat wrote:"I applied before but I got knocked back 'cos the BBC wanted someone else. Also I was seven.

"Anyway, I'm glad the BBC has finally seen the light and it's a huge honour to be following Russell into the best - and the toughest - job in television.

"I say toughest 'cos Russell's at my window right now, pointing and laughing."
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Postby Worst Part's Almost Over on Wed May 21, 2008 8:00 pm

Fried Gold wrote:Russell T Davies has just stepped down as showrunner.


To everyone who thinks this came out of the blue, it hasn't. Russ has said for some time that he'd be stepping down after a fourth series (if the new show made it that far) and Moffat has always been in line to take over. As for all the Russ Haters - go suck it. The man brought us back one of the best shows ever made, and continued to make it excellent (we'll conveniently forget 'Love & Monsters' at this juncture :P ) and his presence will be missed.

The King is dead! Long live Moffat!!
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Postby Fried Gold on Sat May 24, 2008 1:57 pm

End of series trailer:

http://tinyurl.com/6dek7s (In the US? Can't see it? Tough.)

So one assumes that the Daleks are involved in the finale and that it's likely Stavros is too.
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Postby Worst Part's Almost Over on Wed May 28, 2008 3:03 pm

Fried Gold wrote:So one assumes that the Daleks are involved in the finale and that it's likely Stavros is too.


That's been known for some time, dude. And yup, Davros is in it - but he might not be the one pulling the strings :wink:

And on the main page - holy shit!! One of my favourite authors writing an episode of one of my favourite shows!!
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Postby papalazeru on Sat May 31, 2008 2:47 pm

Not a bad episode.

I liked the use of those memory chips, they added an element of the supernatural to the show.

The story has left enouhg intrigue that I really want to see the next episode.

I'm not quite sure what to make of the little girl/CAl database but I'm sure it'll come good next ep.

The pacing was well structured and didn't slow down for very long at all, right up until the end.

Donna's face turning up on a robot was a nice plot twist (not that it wasn't obvious).
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Postby judderman on Sat May 31, 2008 3:32 pm

Another Stephen Moffat creepshow. Nice zombie riffs.

Not entirely pleased with the Vashta Narada; the idea that the human fear of the dark, with all its primal, monstrous, demonic and elemental manifestations, is ultimately down to a swarm of bees was a bit of a missed opportunity. Anyone who has read William Gibson's "Hinterlands" knows that fear of the dark can be far better done in scifi. It's strange how few scifi writers have realised that space is infinite dark.

As usual, Moffat did something that few Dr Who writers ever do and employed time travel as a plot device. I liked the idea of a future companion interacting with a past Doctor, especially since it almost made it mandatory that the eternally hot Alex Kingston will show up again at a later date.

The one thing that this episode lacked was a standout performance from a new guest star. Empty Child had John Barrowman, Girl in the Fireplace had Sophia Myles, Blink had Carey Mulligan. Alex is great, of course, but she's already well known. None of the other secondary characters made an impact, though Talulah Riley, I have to admit, is hot.
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Postby Worst Part's Almost Over on Sat May 31, 2008 6:19 pm

Well, I loved it - another delicious pint of Moffmeister! Can't wait to find out the relation between The Doctor and River Song and how the little girl ties into the story. Was on the edge of my seat all the way through this one, the humour was great and the scares were thrilling. 10/10
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Postby Belac on Sat May 31, 2008 6:48 pm

Yeah, that was a good episode.

Was it just me, though, or was there more than a few "homages" to the likes of Serenity (River, the deserted planet with a warning from a hologram) and Lost ("the others are coming" and the musical cues)?
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Postby judderman on Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:18 pm

Ok, this is a bit creepy

All right I know there's nothing technically wrong with it, and yes, she's cute (she would be, she's Trillian's daughter), but still, kinda makes any future onscreen reunion a bit awkward...
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Re: Doctor Who Series 4 (SPOILERS/YOUR REVIEWS)

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Re: Doctor Who Series 4 (SPOILERS/YOUR REVIEWS)

Postby Retardo_Montalban on Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:57 pm

That was an awesome episode of Dr. Who.

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Postby bluebottle on Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:17 pm

Retardo_Montalban wrote:That was an awesome episode of Dr. Who.

"I'm the Doctor and you're in the biggest library in the universe... look me up"


Agreed. Moffat is so consistently good... 2010 can't get here fast enough. That's going to be one hell of an interesting season.
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Re: Doctor Who Series 4 (SPOILERS/YOUR REVIEWS)

Postby Brit Pop on Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:59 pm

Great return to form from Doctor Who..

I'm surprised Donna hasn't had a complete nervous breakdown, all the shit she has to go through.

Dr Moon was so Morpheus!
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Postby bastard_robo on Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:57 pm

You brits really are picky... I've enjoyed the last few WHO eps (and I LIKED the DOCTORS DAUGHTER episode too!)
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Postby Fried Gold on Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:36 am

bastard_robo wrote:You brits really are picky... I've enjoyed the last few WHO eps (and I LIKED the DOCTORS DAUGHTER episode too!)

Enjoyable as they are, they came off as a bit lightweight after the Sontaran story, and then in comparison to the Library two-parter.
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Re: Doctor Who Series 4 (SPOILERS/YOUR REVIEWS)

Postby papalazeru on Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:13 pm

I bet you his names Hilary, or Vivian, or Gaylord.

The look on his face when she tells him is priceless. Definately one for an AV.
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Re: Doctor Who Series 4 (SPOILERS/YOUR REVIEWS)

Postby Brit Pop on Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:26 pm

papalazeru wrote:I bet you his names Hilary, or Vivian, or Gaylord.

The look on his face when she tells him is priceless. Definately one for an AV.


I'm hoping its NokNok.

It became something of a joke a few centuries ago, which is why he doesn't tell anyone anymore!
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