David Simon's GENERATION KILL

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David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby Ribbons on Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:01 pm

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Memflix wrote:Hello all. It’s Memflix. Been awhile. I haven’t had anything cool to write about until recently, but when I got a chance to see the first two episodes of “Generation Kill,” I had to write in about it.

We all know about audience’s tepid reactions to movies and television shows focusing on the war in Iraq. We don’t want to see Hollywood’s version of events transpiring while we enjoy the comforts of an air-conditioned theater or the amenities of our home life.

And since even powerful and expertly made documentaries make us feel too far removed to feel any kind of emotional impact from the men and women fighting this war, how do filmmakers bridge the gap and show us just what these soldiers are up against and who they really are?

Well, you write a book and have “The Wire’s” David Simon and Ed Burns translate it perfectly to the small screen for HBO.

On assignment with Rolling Stone magazine, Evan Wright went to Camp Mathilda in Kuwait, to ride along with The Marine’s First Recon unit on their excursion through Iraq to invade Baghdad. He wrote three award-winning articles for the magazine and compiled his experience in the book “Generation Kill.”

The soldiers of First Recon, for lack of a less clichéd term, are a few of the Marine’s most elite force of soldiers. They are fearless warriors, most of which aren’t there to look imposing and strike a chord of fear. They are the real deal. They are killers and revel in it, never making apologies for their savagery because without that mindset, they would never survive the war.

First Recon’s (or as a soldier calls them “First Suicide Battalion”) first mission was to travel through the country and secure a bridge over the Euphrates. But what they didn’t know at the time is that their real reason for being there was to be the first group of soldiers the enemy would attack. The idea was that this small band of soldiers drives through and the Iraqis attack in full force. When First Recon leaves, the Iraqis think they have faced down the enemy, but then a much larger military force comes in, and has a far greater chance of defeating a worn out enemy.

Last weekend, I attended the Nashville Screenwriter’s Conference. The main reason I drove up from Memphis was to see the first two episodes of HBO’s “Generation Kill,” a seven-part mini-series based on the book Wright wrote about his three week journey with First Recon. While I love seeing movies or television before the rest of the world, I went there to listen to the panel.

Ed Burns, David Simon, Evan Wright, and Eric Kocher (a Marine with First Recon who served as senior military advisor on the show) were on hand to discuss the show the morning after.

As you know, Ed Burns and David Simon were the writers/creators/producers of HBO’s “The Wire.” In my opinion, “The Wire” is hands-down the best show ever made. Period. End of discussion. Sure, I love “The Sopranos,” “Lost,” the Whedonverse, and several other TV staples, but what makes “The Wire” excel above all the rest, is its journalistic approach to filmmaking. Simon and Burns use TV, as a writer uses a notepad. No flash or bombast. No overreaching character arcs designed to bludgeon you to death with their profundity. They’re intent is not to entertain, but to inform.

After hearing Simon and Burns speak about their style, it’s as if they merely tagged along with Det. McNulty or Avon Barksdale or Marlo Stanfield, with a pen and pad taking notes while the characters lived their life.

Knowing that, it makes perfect sense why they were attracted to the book “Generation Kill.” Wright just wrote it how he saw it in a very minimalistic way devoid of heady euphuisms or purple prose. The entire book is a string of fairly short declarative sentences, capturing the soldiers reactions to everything around them; the bullets, the emotions, and the explosions. It’s also an unflinching look at the human error of combat and leadership.

My initial plan was to transcribe the panel and Q&A and let you hear all of it for yourself. But my hand-me-down digital jukebox went kablooey. But things happen for a reason.
One of the things Simon said is that he wants the show to speak for itself. There isn’t a “Based on a True Story” title card at the beginning. The show opens at Camp Mathilda and takes off. There’s very little exposition. You aren’t supposed to identify an antagonist or protagonist in the first ten minutes. You aren’t supposed to see feel the force of a thematic sledgehammer. The idea is that the viewer is just like Wright -- along for the ride.

So transcribing a lengthy Q&A session isn’t necessary to give you an idea of what the show’s about (neither is this lengthy story I’m writing, now that I think about it. I just want people to experience what I did.)

In the first five minutes you see the soldiers trying to confirm a rumor that JLo died and a humorous and extremely vulgar reaction to letters grade school girls wrote to the soldiers (The language is more graphic than anything I’ve ever heard on television, because these were actual utterances by trained killers).

Every character in the show is based on a real person, but even the phrase ‘based on’ is misleading. Yes. Actors are portraying these people, but having read the book, each character on screen is a damn-near exact interpretation of the real men.

What you see are men going days and days with no sleep, spun on Ripped Fuel, screaming “Get Some!” as soldiers kill the enemy or drop bombs on motorcades. The character that I think people are really going to respond to is Cpl. Ray Person, played by James Ransone (“Inside Man”). Person, who I had the pleasure of talking with at the luncheon afterwards, has the kind of sense of humor you flinch at while laughing uncontrollably. Almost everything he says in the book and the movie has a “this guy has to be fictional” quality. Just his name says it all. If a writer just came up with this character and had the balls to name him “Person,” you’d think the writer was brilliant. But the fact that this guy exists is the kind of thing that just makes you sit back and enjoy the absolute absurdity of life.

It is very hard to watch, but the best thing about it the show and the book is that I didn’t feel guilty watching it. I’m one of the millions of people who purposely stayed away from “In the Valley of Elah,” “Home of the Brave,” Lions for Lambs,” “Stop-Loss,” because I didn’t want to see someone’s fictional interpretation of what these soldiers were going through. We owe it to the soldiers, not to fill our guts with popcorn and sugar watching fakery, with manipulative string music telling us what to feel and when to feel it. (Simon commented on this specifically. He said he never uses a score because he feels it’s up to the audience to make up their mind on how to take in what they’re watching.) Also, it’s important to note that the show doesn’t have a political slant. All of the writers left their personal opinions at the door.

If you want to see a movie on how terrible the war in Iraq is and who’s responsible, look elsewhere. If you want to see soldiers complaining about the war and regretting their decision to be warriors, look elsewhere. If you want to step into the shoes of real-life killers fighting for their country, if you want to know how a soldier deals with killing the enemy and innocent civilians caught in the crossfire, if you want to see life unfold before your eyes in vivid exciting detail, check out the book and the show.


EDIT: Was this broken off from another thread or something? Because it makes no sense at all. "And he who careth about Memflix shall be bound to yon ass at thy face and there be forced with mouth open to eat yon ass's waste."

Oh and title change so people know what the fuck you're going on about.


Double EDIT: Some people may not appreciate my sense of humor... but that's okay, because I'm FIRST!
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Postby stereosforgeeks on Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:49 pm

Sounds like Generation Kill will live up to my expectations!!!
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Postby Ribbons on Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:50 pm

Yes, but more importantly, what do you think about the return of Memflix?!
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Postby stereosforgeeks on Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:54 pm

Ribbons wrote:Yes, but more importantly, what do you think about the return of Memflix?!


Meh, *shrug*

That might be a a little redundant, however.
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Postby papalazeru on Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:04 pm

I'm quite impressed he's back after last time and his encounter with baby Swell Dude's.
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Re: Memflix Returns! (Now w/ 100% more David Simon's new show!)

Postby Ribbons on Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:54 pm

A new review from someone who's not Memflix!

Ken Tucker wrote:Through the first episode of HBO's "Generation Kill," HBO's miniseries about the elite Marine unit that led the first invasion of the Iraq war, it was difficult to keep track of which helmeted, smudged-faced character was which. I feared writer-producer David Simon (creator of "The Wire") and longtime collaborator Ed Burns were resorting to the old disorient-the-audience-because-war-is-really-disorienting trope. I shoulda known better -- this is one wild, cliche-busting trip. By the second of "Kill"'s seven hours, I'd learned who the sane center of the story would be (Alexander Skarsgard's quiet but firm Sgt. Brad Colbert); how Jennifer Lopez plays a big part in Marine fantasy life; and why Charms candy is bad luck in this war. Now, having watched all five of the episodes HBO sent for review, I'm psyched for more of this head-spinningly thoughtful work. Unlike Steven Bochco's 2005 Iraq War flop "Over There," "Kill" is unconcerned with sympathetic characters -- it lets the fact-based drama speak for itself.

"Kill" is adapted from a book by Rolling Stone correspondent Evan Wright, who was embedded with those Marines and is a writer on the miniseries. He's also a character; as played by "Oz"'s Lee Tergesen, he's our innocent-eyed surrogate among the soldiers as they bump over desert terrain ("Kill" was shot in Africa) in Humvees that look as though they're always on the verge of breaking down. The men, however, do not. They're fighting a good fight despite equipment that's so antiquated one of them compares it to "Gilligan's Island": "They're giving us rocks and coconuts to make radios." One standout performer is "Wire" vet James Radstone, who, as Cpl. Ray Person, dispenses eloquent screeds about following often contradictory orders, saying tartly "You know what happens when you get out of the Marine Corps? You get your brains back."

"Kill"'s blithely cynical tone -- when an Iraqi citizen waves at the troops, a Marine responds "Thank you, vote Republican!" -- never comes off as showbiz liberalism or cheap humor. You can tell that the writers responded to Wright's clear-eyed reporting with all the precise details that accumulate to create a nuanced look at young men thrown into circumstances way beyond their control.

You may end up thinking we shouldn't be over there, or maybe even that we should be fighting, but with better planning and equipment (what you probably won't end up thinking is that those early days were leading to a rapid "mission accomplished"). Still, "Kill" pays both you and its subjects two solid compliments: it doesnt scream "Take heed... this is a work of art!" And it lets you form your own opinions about what its social commentary is.

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Re: Memflix Returns! (Now w/ 100% more David Simon's new show!)

Postby Tyrone_Shoelaces on Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:31 pm

I'm sold. Now all I need is HBO.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby Fievel on Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:28 pm

I've had the book in my car for a month now and haven't read a single page.
I'll probably just watch it, say it was great, and tell people I wish they would have kept more of the book in it.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby bill blake on Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:19 am

i don't know the backstory on memflix(see posts:#), but i don't think his review — in its essence — is that far off. ken tucker's is even more on.

the pacing is similar to "the wire": lots of engaging characters, matter of fact dialogue, hot babes...

i'm going to enjoy this for the next seven weeks
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby stereosforgeeks on Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:15 am

Really enjoyed last nights episode. I actually laughed my ass off quite a bit during the first hour's runtime, which surprised me. Everyone in the cast comes off as being incredibly believable people and not just caricatures.

It was awesome when Lt. Fick looked at Wright after they "unsurrendered" the Iraqis and said, "Write that as you see it. We're not here to stop you."
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby John-Locke on Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:39 pm

I Heart James Ransome

This show is going to be kickass, just that first hour was better than Jughead, and I liked Jughead
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby Ribbons on Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:21 pm

John-Locke wrote:This show is going to be kickass, just that first hour was better than Jughead, and I liked Jughead


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I especially liked the part where he ate all those hamburgers...
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby bill blake on Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:46 am

that jughead is dead-on.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby Fievel on Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:13 am

John-Locke wrote:This show is going to be kickass, just that first hour was better than Jughead, and I liked Jughead


Jarhead is SOOOOOO 1990.

But I fully agree - this show is going to kick all sorts of ass.
That first episode showed an amazing amount of the fuck-uppery we only heard about.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby TheBaxter on Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:29 am

bill blake wrote:the pacing is similar to "the wire": lots of engaging characters, matter of fact dialogue, hot babes...


you mean like these...?

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i've got this tivo'd, probably watch it some time this week.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby John-Locke on Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:13 pm

I went to bed last night soon after posting that comment about Jughead, as I was drifting off and thinking of the show it suddenly dawned on me the mistake I had made in referring to Jarhead as Jughead. From now on I'm only going to call it Jughead.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby papalazeru on Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:25 pm

TheBaxter wrote:you mean like these...?

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i've got this tivo'd, probably watch it some time this week.


You leave the Jihady Jubblies alone. The fit on centre right is mine.

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I hate war film. I really hate most programs about war. I didn't watch Band of Brothers because I have a special hatred for World War 2 films and shit.

Now the few war films I have seen, Saving Ryans Privates and Black Hawk Down, I've actually enjoyed, really enjoyed. I approached this with the same prejudice that I approach most war films, 'Oh god, not another one trying to prove a point'.

You know what?

I'm converted. I really loved the characters in this, I loved the way that the situations were second place to the team and the dialogue between each other. I love how there doesn't seem to be a though line. It's a much more Brechtian approach, they create situations which do not necessarily have resolve because, why would they need to? It's more about the journey and the discussion you have because of that scene. Not everything is polished, especially not this war. I loved the reference to the previous war and the 'clean up' that never happened.

I think I'm going to really enjoy this. Brilliant.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby Fievel on Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:10 pm

papalazeru wrote:I didn't watch Band of Brothers because I have a special hatred for World War 2 films and shit.


Mistake #1 - Intentionally not watching Band of Brothers
Mistake #2 - Actually offering a reason for Mistake #1
Mistake #3 - Watching Saving Private Ryan (fiction), enjoying it, and still committing Mistake #1
Mistake #4 - Admitting all of the above,

Turn in your Man Card now.



Seriously, if you enjoyed Saving Private Ryan, which was all about a message, you should love Band of Brothers, which was all about fact.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby papalazeru on Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:08 am

Fievel wrote:
papalazeru wrote:I didn't watch Band of Brothers because I have a special hatred for World War 2 films and shit.

Seriously, if you enjoyed Saving Private Ryan, which was all about a message, you should love Band of Brothers, which was all about fact.



SERIOUSLY...WHERE DID YOU SEE SAVING PRIVATE RYAN?!?!?!

:lol:

Some people have penchants for certain types of tilms.

Ialso saw 3 kings which was very impressive but I'm not sure it could be called a war film.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby John-Locke on Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:42 pm

Seriously Papa, you are missing out if you haven't seen Band of Brothers, it's excellent.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby papalazeru on Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:22 pm

John-Locke wrote:Seriously Papa, you are missing out if you haven't seen Band of Brothers, it's excellent.


I know, I know but I've never had a thing for old war type programs or films. They just seem to bore me.
SRP would have bored me if it wasn't so graphic.


But, I may have come to the fray late but at least I'm enjoyed Generation Kill.

Next stop...the wire
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby John-Locke on Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:31 pm

Next thing you'll be saying that you never bothered seeing A Thin Red Line
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby papalazeru on Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:25 pm

John-Locke wrote:Next thing you'll be saying that you never bothered seeing A Thin Red Line


Very well shot. VERY well shot.

I caught that on TV and was engrossed by the cinematography.

But don't quote me on that :wink:

But then it was Mallick so it always looks beautiful just like Brave new world. The problem I have with Mallick is,if you take away the decent shots, what are you left with? For example, A brave new world.

But that's off the point.

I just never seem to be able to get that involved in War films as I can with other Genres. Westerns, usually a similar theme, I can tolerate once in a while but War movies, even less.

As I was saying, Generation Kill is something different, it's made my ears Struggling Background Artist up. I could have actually watching this without vision, the sound was enough to carry this. That's how well the story telling went, for me.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby DanielSan on Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:48 am

papalazeru wrote:
John-Locke wrote:Seriously Papa, you are missing out if you haven't seen Band of Brothers, it's excellent.


I know, I know but I've never had a thing for old war type programs or films. They just seem to bore me.
SRP would have bored me if it wasn't so graphic.


But, I may have come to the fray late but at least I'm enjoyed Generation Kill.

Next stop...the wire


Trust us - Band of Brothers will not bore you. And you want graphic? It's got graphic. And characterization. And writing. And acting. And David Schwimmer acting like someone other than Ross - and you're allowed to hate him!

Seriously. A truly incredible, true story. I can't heap enough praise on that miniseries.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby John-Locke on Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:20 am

Oh man, this show is the fucking tits. Captain America is such a douchebag as is that other Captain, I'm loving the guy who only seems to care about personal grooming standards and Godfather is one gruff sonofabitch. Still it's pretty much the James Ransone show and that is reason enough to watch. Add to that some impressive production values and I think we are going to end up with a Mini Series which will be regarded as an all time classic in the not too distant future.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby bill blake on Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:44 am

episode 2 was directed by a woman http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1264352/. how does somebody with a resume like hers handle "the cradle of civilization". she did a damn fine job if in fact she did it. we all know it's in the writing anyhow.

i'm a little concerned with ice man's superlative euphamisms at key moments.
"let's go make some money"
"gentleman, from now on we earn our stories"

maybe that's why his fiance married his best friend.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby John-Locke on Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:14 am

She must be a Brit looking at her resume.

Interesting fact, Sgt. Rodolfo 'Rudy' Reyes (the one who looks like a character from GI Joe who is seen doing endurance training and in the last episode was the snipers spotter) is played by himself, he was working on the show as a military advisor and when they had difficulty casting his difficult role they asked him to do it himself.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby papalazeru on Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:50 pm

OK, I'm gonna say it.

It's better than Apocalypse now.

It is the movie/series for our time and it's awsome. There are far too many cultural and subtle reference to quote in one sitting but.....

and remember I said I hate war stuff, it's brilliant. Sheer brilliance.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby bill blake on Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:59 am

John-Locke wrote:Interesting fact, Sgt. Rodolfo 'Rudy' Reyes (the one who looks like a character from GI Joe who is seen doing endurance training and in the last episode was the snipers spotter) is played by himself, he was working on the show as a military advisor and when they had difficulty casting his difficult role they asked him to do it himself.


i'll bet they chose him because he was willing to work nude.

the sniper scene was the best thing i've seen on television since
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby Retardo_Montalban on Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:44 am

Holy shit the prettiest man on the whole show and he's not even an actor. We need Dominic West to make a guest appearance and put a stop to this.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby Fievel on Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:17 pm

Just caught up with this week's installment.

Man... some of this stuff is just gut-wrenching. Meaning the idiots that are/were in charge and the horrible decisions they make.

Trombley's a fucking douche and a half.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby TonyWilson on Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:40 pm

Anyone think Alexander Skarsgard's Sgt Colbert has all the qualities to make a perfect Captain America?

And this show is fucking brilliant.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby John-Locke on Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:56 pm

Apart from the fact that he's not American, Yes, he'd be a great Cap
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby TonyWilson on Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:59 pm

John-Locke wrote:Apart from the fact that he's not American, Yes, he'd be a great Cap


Ah yeh, he's Stellan Skarsgard's son isn't he? I can't think of any American actor who'd be a better fit in terms or look, age, projecting that leadership ability from someone young. He just seems like the embodiment of Cap.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby bill blake on Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:51 am

Fievel wrote:Just caught up with this week's installment.

Man... some of this stuff is just gut-wrenching. Meaning the idiots that are/were in charge and the horrible decisions they make.

Trombley's a fucking douche and a half.


trombley is a grade-a douche. i wonder what the ratio of trombleys to persons is in the military. my guess is there are a lot more trombleys. i loved the exchange between him and brad toward the end of the episode. a grade-a douche.

for me the jury's still out on the idiots in charge. i mean, this really happened. i can't believe idiots in charge marched into and took over baghdad as quickly as they did. but there were decisions in this episode that made me wonder (e.g. godfather's praise of encino man – and in the same episode – his explanation/decision on the injured civilian)

are the radio transmission credit sequences at the end actual?
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby Pacino86845 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 4:32 pm

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Postby Fievel on Mon Aug 04, 2008 4:41 pm

Godfather and Captain America seem to be fruit of the same tree.
It's just that Godfather is more mellow.

It appears that glory and recognition are the prime motives behind Godfather's decisions.
Shit... just realized I missed last night's episode.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby stereosforgeeks on Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:57 am

What an amazing episode. I still find it incredibly amazing these people arent getting killed. You have the humvees getting stuck and no one trying to turn around. Encino Man flipping out at the bridge.

Person's description of military intelligence and the ambush was classic and then they just go around the next. What stupid mfers.

It's sort of disaapointing to see Fick realizing he cant do sh*t about the crappy orders and have to defend them to his men especially Brad.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby Pacino86845 on Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:48 pm

Every passing episode is taking this series up to a new high, the build up so far has been pretty brilliant. Which is saying something 'cause despite great production values and a solid cast, I had my doubts and reservations after the first couple of episodes, but since then it's all been pretty much uphill. I do reserve final judgement, however, for when the series comes to completion. Has anyone read the book?
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Postby stereosforgeeks on Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:36 am

Does anyone else yell at theirTV during this stuff? The level of ineptitude is just astonishing.

Trombley = Whopper Jr. = Burger King = Baby Killer = hilarious.
The reservists going ape5hit at the drop of hat.
Crying on the coms.
Captain America bayonetting.
Chef Boyardee and Jasmine.
Person and his milkshake/boyardee.

It was nice to see the Marines helping the refugees during this episode. Great moment. Especially when that Iraqi woman called them out. "Thank you for letting me walk on a road in my own country!"
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Postby theangiechrist on Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:22 pm

I usually avoid Hollywood/TV productions depicting war stories (being often disappointed by fabrications/situations that would never happen, political spin, and god forbid incorrect uniform wear/lack of research and respect of the miltary). But I have to say I dig this show. Great characters and flaws. Great heart and emotion. Raw.

It's sort of disaapointing to see Fick realizing he cant do sh*t about the crappy orders and have to defend them to his men especially Brad


^and THAT is the most realitc part about the military, unfortunately lol
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby stereosforgeeks on Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:32 pm

theangiechrist wrote:I usually avoid Hollywood/TV productions depicting war stories (being often disappointed by fabrications/situations that would never happen, political spin, and god forbid incorrect uniform wear/lack of research and respect of the miltary). But I have to say I dig this show. Great characters and flaws. Great heart and emotion. Raw.

It's sort of disaapointing to see Fick realizing he cant do sh*t about the crappy orders and have to defend them to his men especially Brad


^and THAT is the most realitc part about the military, unfortunately lol


Glad to hear this gets support from someone actually associated with the military!
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Postby theangiechrist on Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:35 pm

I was actually praying for something like this to come out. I mean, after "stop loss" came out I was ready to just declare my own personal jihad on Hollywood lol

and since like only 2 or 3% of Americans serve in the military (It used to be less), maybe now after seeng something like ths many of the "haters" will start to understand the crap that one must endure while wearing a uniform and sacrficing their own lives/families for others.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby Peven on Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:02 pm

theangiechrist wrote:I was actually praying for something like this to come out. I mean, after "stop loss" came out I was ready to just declare my own personal jihad on Hollywood lol

and since like only 2 or 3% of Americans serve in the military (It used to be less), maybe now after seeng something like ths many of the "haters" will start to understand the crap that one must endure while wearing a uniform and sacrficing their own lives/families for others.


this isn't the EFBR, so i won't totally dive into this, BUT, where are all these "haters" you speak of? are people who think soldiers who kill unarmed prisoners "haters"? are people who expect soldiers to act within the Geneva Convention "haters"? because i don't think there are very many people at all who simply hate on the rank and file soldiers the way the right-wing makes it out to be.....
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby bill blake on Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:46 am

to me this whole thing is apolitical. it does a great job of showing the absurdity of command, but just about every production about war does that. command is an easy target.

what's cool is how you get all sides. of course you root for brad and ray, but honestly isn't brad's belly aching about not performing recon getting a little old? and trombley – the guy i called a grade-a douchbag in this very thread – i end up feeling sorry for. the same for captain america. that dopey look on his face gets me every time.

i guess what i'm trying to say here is it's hard to take sides in this show. it's a great representation of a ridiculous situation.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby theangiechrist on Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:49 am

Peven wrote:
theangiechrist wrote:I was actually praying for something like this to come out. I mean, after "stop loss" came out I was ready to just declare my own personal jihad on Hollywood lol

and since like only 2 or 3% of Americans serve in the military (It used to be less), maybe now after seeng something like ths many of the "haters" will start to understand the crap that one must endure while wearing a uniform and sacrficing their own lives/families for others.


this isn't the EFBR, so i won't totally dive into this, BUT, where are all these "haters" you speak of? are people who think soldiers who kill unarmed prisoners "haters"? are people who expect soldiers to act within the Geneva Convention "haters"? because i don't think there are very many people at all who simply hate on the rank and file soldiers the way the right-wing makes it out to be.....


Not at all. Just walk around in a uniform and combat boots and see what I mean. People look at you and instantly assume things about you. They tie you to politics and the very same things you mentioned, just becasue one or two idiots act outside the realm of decency. They make movies that are irresponsible and the eager masses eat it up and take it as scripture.

Here's a story for you:

My husband and his men were on the way home from Iraq. Been traveling on planes for over 24 hours, tired, sweaty, hungry, and stiff. They had to refuel in San Francisco before flying to the South Pacific and had a four hour stop. You'd think that would be cool to stretch one's legs? NO. The airport forced them to remain in the plane and fester on the tarmac. They didn't want the solders walking around in their uniforms, God forbd.

Call it right-wing all you want, but they are out there.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby Peven on Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:44 am

theangiechrist wrote:
Peven wrote:
theangiechrist wrote:I was actually praying for something like this to come out. I mean, after "stop loss" came out I was ready to just declare my own personal jihad on Hollywood lol

and since like only 2 or 3% of Americans serve in the military (It used to be less), maybe now after seeng something like ths many of the "haters" will start to understand the crap that one must endure while wearing a uniform and sacrficing their own lives/families for others.


this isn't the EFBR, so i won't totally dive into this, BUT, where are all these "haters" you speak of? are people who think soldiers who kill unarmed prisoners "haters"? are people who expect soldiers to act within the Geneva Convention "haters"? because i don't think there are very many people at all who simply hate on the rank and file soldiers the way the right-wing makes it out to be.....


Not at all. Just walk around in a uniform and combat boots and see what I mean. People look at you and instantly assume things about you. They tie you to politics and the very same things you mentioned, just becasue one or two idiots act outside the realm of decency. They make movies that are irresponsible and the eager masses eat it up and take it as scripture.

Here's a story for you:

My husband and his men were on the way home from Iraq. Been traveling on planes for over 24 hours, tired, sweaty, hungry, and stiff. They had to refuel in San Francisco before flying to the South Pacific and had a four hour stop. You'd think that would be cool to stretch one's legs? NO. The airport forced them to remain in the plane and fester on the tarmac. They didn't want the solders walking around in their uniforms, God forbd.

Call it right-wing all you want, but they are out there.


again, give me some examples of all these irresponsible soldier-hating movies you speak of the and masses that apparently watch them and decide to hate soldiers. i just don't see it. also, i see soldiers walking around in airports all the time while wearing their uniforms. in fact, i'd say a soldier in uniform today receives more respect and good treatment than the rest of the general population by far. whether it is at public events like sports events or concerts, or even public institutions like schools, our soldiers have received more official and public support in the last 6 years than they have since the post WWII era, imo. two of the very best friends i have ever had in my life, known since i was 5, did two and three tours in Iraq, one is still over there, and in our hometown they are considered real life heroes and treated as such. if the military brass and this administration cared as much about our soldiers as the general population does they would be given much better medical care and support when they get home from serving their country than they have, imo. just look at the response here on the board, a fairly liberal population, of this series because of the way it humanizes the soldiers and draws the viewer in to sympathize with their situation over there. this idea that the left, or even "the masses", don't respect or care about our soldiers is a lie perpetuated by the right-wing in order to try to get votes, despite the fact that their party is the one who votes against increases in soldier benefit packages, including their latest attempt to squash a better G.I. Bill.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby stereosforgeeks on Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:57 am

Let's try to keep this about how the show itself represents the miltary and if it is an accurate portrayal.

I do think this is a worthy discusssion, however, but this isnt the right place to have it. If you guys wish to continue this discourse I can split this off into a Generalized Military Thread or something.
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby theangiechrist on Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:03 am

That's fine :) Sorry
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Re: David Simon's GENERATION KILL

Postby anthonymous on Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:58 pm

sheesh, the way this place restricts conversational flow so adherently never ceases to amaze me...

I know, I know - if I don't like it I can go elsewhere, right?



Also, up to ep 3 and really liking (yet not quite loving) it so far.
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