The Walking Dead

[Nachokoolaid]

That bar scene was really excellent all around. Mainly, because it was finally nice to see Rick take some action. I just wonder if he's going to eventually turn it into a thing that Shane killed Otis in order to survive, whenhe just did the same to the two Philly boys. Makes that argument a little tougher, I think.

[TheBaxter]

That bar scene was really excellent all around. Mainly, because it was finally nice to see Rick take some action. I just wonder if he's going to eventually turn it into a thing that Shane killed Otis in order to survive, whenhe just did the same to the two Philly boys. Makes that argument a little tougher, I think.

the bar scene was the best part of an otherwise pretty forgettable episode. george lucas told me he thought that scene would've been better if the drifters had fired off a couple rounds first that missed rick's head by a couple inches from point-blank range. the way it is now, rick is like a cold-blooded killer.

[Fievel]

I just wonder if he's going to eventually turn it into a thing that Shane killed Otis in order to survive, whenhe just did the same to the two Philly boys. Makes that argument a little tougher, I think.

Problem with that is that Rick was about to be shot. That was self-defense. What Shane did was completely different.

[TheBaxter]

I just wonder if he's going to eventually turn it into a thing that Shane killed Otis in order to survive, whenhe just did the same to the two Philly boys. Makes that argument a little tougher, I think.

Problem with that is that Rick was about to be shot. That was self-defense. What Shane did was completely different.

yes, it was different. Shane was about to be eaten.

[Brit Pop]

Great episode! Virtually no dwindle. Dale looked a lot like Saruman in the no-talkie scene.

As regards the bar scene... I was annoyed, then elated, then confused... all in a short period of time.

As the two gang-bangers made it quite obvious that they were intending on becoming 'friends' with the farm folk... I saw a bad Mad Max 2 rip off... especially so since the lead guy was (I think) the guy who played Remy on True Blood, so I assumed he would have a recurring role! I didnt relish the idea of that, and also assumed something bad would happen to one of the three. Then out of nowhere... BLAMMO! Rick just straight out murders them! Although, on a second viewing, I see it wasnt quite like that... but in the tension of the original viewing I missed the subtlety.
So now I dont know what the result of these actions will be - I'm not a GN reader, but I gather it doesnt really matter these days thru changes.

[DennisMM]

Rick has done his best to avoid the truly hard choices. He's trying to believe something will come of this world, even if the dead aren't going to be cured or otherwise go away. In the bar, though, he recognized a danger to his people and Hershel's, and took brutal but necessary action. I have no doubt that the travelers would have raided the camp, raped the women, killed any man who didn't cooperate and then tried to take control.

How can anyone defend Shane shooting Otis? Yes, he was going to be eaten, but so was Otis. Shane was limping on a twisted ankle, whereas Otis was just out of breath. Shane was the weak one who was holding the two back. Otis might have rallied, as even fat men can when desperate. Shane cared only about himself. Yes, Carl would get the needed treatment, but it was about Shane. He could have run for the walkers and let them have him, allowing Otis to get to the truck. But he didn't.

[Fievel]

As regards the bar scene... I was annoyed, then elated, then confused... all in a short period of time.

You sound like an altar boy from a Boston Catholic Church.

The guy that was on True Blood was moving to shoot Rick as was his plus-sized friend. Rick just showed off his unknown-at-that-point Gunslinger speed draw and beat them both.

Great episode! Virtually no dwindle. Dale looked a lot like Saruman in the no-talkie scene

Holy shit you're right!! That's awesome!! He does have those Saruman eyes!!

[The Vicar]

Better by far than Bette Davis eyes, no doubt.

[DerLanghaarige]

It was definitely not a very exciting episode, but it worked. (Except for the car accident.) It's a HUGE step up from 99% of season 2.1 so far. (Except for the car accident. That was just stupid.)

[TheBaxter]

shane's the bad guy again because he lied to the dumb chick to get her back safe to the farm.
of course, the dumb bitch who drove off by herself without telling anyone and crashed because she was looking at a map instead of where she was driving (at least she wasn't putting on makeup), nobody thinks there's anything wrong with THAT.

the zombie sticking his face in through the broken glass was pretty cool.

[Fievel]

The guy getting his face ripped off by the zombie was the best.

[The Vicar]

The guy getting his face ripped off by the zombie was the best.

Yup. That ep seemed to start strong and then wander off a bit. Could have been me & my meds,
but it sure seemed that way to me. Why do I think, in a stand up fight, that Shane will kick Rick's ass?
Is this where the tv series finally catches up with an important plot point from the GN?

RE:
Carl killing Shane after Shane attacks his father.

[DennisMM]

We seemed to be looking in that direction. However, in the program Carl (not Ben) is about 12, whereas in the comic he's 7 or 8. Those few years could be enough to make him hesitate, as he's becoming more of an intellectual creature.

[The Vicar]

Why did I write Ben? D'oh...

[DennisMM]

Because Ben and Billy, in the comic, end up making some tough choices? So many changes from the comic, starting with the characters they invented. Is T-Dawg really more interesting than Allen, Ben and Billy in concert? Did they feel the need for at least one person of color? Crud, the changes just to the farm storyline, from small to massive, are many. I really disliked that Shane has become such a menace, but it does prepare us all for the plot turns spoilered above.

At this rate, there will be no prison story arc until at least next season, if at all. In the words of Milhous van Houten, "When are they going to get to the fireworks factory?"

[The Vicar]

I've given up on seeing any of the brilliance that was in the GN during this televised version. That story is not going to get told.
I thought it was better than the one we're getting, but who cares? Zombies on the telly. Be grateful for what we get, I suppose.

[Fievel]

Likely serious spoilers for the rest of the season/series: Link from main page.
Jon Bernthal, who plays Shane, has been cast in Frank Darabont's new pilot for TNT - L.A. Noire. So I guess the comic book is finally catching up to him. And I'm glad for that. Although he has become an interesting character, I think there's enough bad shit out there between the zombies and the unknown humans. Having him stick around much longer would just make it more complicated and soap opera-ish. I like the idea of Daryl being the lone wild card of the bunch, and hope he's around for a while.

T-Dogg needs a moment to define him. He doesn't even need to lead an episode's story, but just needs to do or say something that holds some weight to the show. It would be easy to just say he's a token black character, but in the comic we have Tyrese, who is a bad ass. So instead of even being a token minority, he's just (pardon the pun) dead weight to the overall story.

[TheBaxter]

Jon Bernthal is a lucky guy.

[DennisMM]

Really? Because at least for now, he's got a steady paycheck.If the Darabont pilot doesn't go to series, Bernthal could wind up pounding the pavement with nothing but a show reel for his time on TWD. I have to wonder if Darabont isn't trying to sabotage the show.

Yeah, T-however-they-spell-it needs something to do. Something, for goodness' sake. If they can't bring in Tyreese, for fear of having two black men, get Michonne in there.

[TheBaxter]

Really? Because at least for now, he's got a steady paycheck.If the Darabont pilot doesn't go to series, Bernthal could wind up pounding the pavement with nothing but a show reel for his time on TWD. I have to wonder if Darabont isn't trying to sabotage the show.

from the things i've read and heard, there are a lot of people on that show that came on specifically because of darabont, at reduced pay, who don't want to be there any more, the atmosphere on set is not very good, and they basically feel hoodwinked by AMC over what happened to darabont and now being stuck on a show that's not what they signed up for. if bernthal is one of those people, then he probably feels like he just won the lottery.

[DerLanghaarige]

Did you see that effect reel? Pretty impressive stuff most of the time, although I think AMC could reduce the budget, simply by, well...using more real extras as zombies, instead of computer animated ones. When the camera is far away, you don't have to make the make up look that great anyway. Not even in HD!


Anyway, I think the last episode was seriously good. Sure, there are still some very unbelievable character motivations and shit going on, but all in all I have to say that this was maybe the best episode since early in Season 1! And I'm not just talking about the gore stuff!

[Fievel]

Did you see that effect reel? Pretty impressive stuff most of the time, although I think AMC could reduce the budget, simply by, well...using more real extras as zombies, instead of computer animated ones. When the camera is far away, you don't have to make the make up look that great anyway. Not even in HD!

They've talked before about the different levels of zombie makeup that they create - between extras that are never up close (who have minimal makeup) to featured zombies that are given a ton of attention. I had no idea before watching the video how much CGI was going on in this show!! I mean, last season I noticed some blood splatter that looked really bad when the cast was running out of the CDC, but that was really all I had noticed all season. Cool shit!

Also, Walking Dead news - The Governor has been cast. Link from main site.
How in the hell are they going to be able to do this story?!? Even on cable?!

[DennisMM]

In the last episode of season one, Dr. Jenner at the CDC whispered something into Rick's ear. Those of us who read the comics assumed it was that Lori was pregnant. In season two, it's been suggested that Rick didn't know Lori was pregnant until he saw the morning-after pills. So, what was it that Dr. Jenner told Rick?

[TheBaxter]

In the last episode of season one, Dr. Jenner at the CDC whispered something into Rick's ear. Those of us who read the comics assumed it was that Lori was pregnant. In season two, it's been suggested that Rick didn't know Lori was pregnant until he saw the morning-after pills. So, what was it that Dr. Jenner told Rick?

he told him that Frank Darabont was getting kicked off the show next season

[TheBaxter]

also, is that lori chick married to rick grimes or rick santorum? seriously, you'd think after a zombie apocalypse, the whole "women in the kitchen/men in the fields" thing would sorta go away, but i guess not. according to lori, women should stay inside and do the cookin' and the cleanin' while the men do the huntin' and protectin'. except when your husband doesn't come home on time, and then you need to steal a car and crash it and force one of those big strong men to come save you from your own stupidity. she needs to get rid of her shoes, 'cos right now she's only half-fulfilling her pledge to stay barefoot and pregnant. did i miss the episode where she got a brain transplant from carol's redneck husband last season?

[Fievel]

also, is that lori chick married to rick grimes or rick santorum? seriously, you'd think after a zombie apocalypse, the whole "women in the kitchen/men in the fields" thing would sorta go away, but i guess not.

Definitely the biggest WTF moment of this half of the season. When she and Andrea started arguing I thought Andrea was saying some stupid things, but then Lori took over and every word she said was so fucking ridiculous. The female half of that episode was the worst thing I've seen on the show yet. The male part of the show was good, though.

[TheBaxter]

also, is that lori chick married to rick grimes or rick santorum? seriously, you'd think after a zombie apocalypse, the whole "women in the kitchen/men in the fields" thing would sorta go away, but i guess not.

Definitely the biggest WTF moment of this half of the season. When she and Andrea started arguing I thought Andrea was saying some stupid things, but then Lori took over and every word she said was so fucking ridiculous. The female half of that episode was the worst thing I've seen on the show yet. The male part of the show was good, though.

yeah, usually when you have two characters arguing on a show, at least one of them is making some sense. that scene was literally like watching Dumb vs. Dumber. i couldn't help but wonder if the writers thought one of them was being reasonable, or if they purposefully wrote both of them to sound like idiots. it's not often you see a TV argument where one side is pro-suicide and the other one is pro-misogyny.

[Bob Samonkey]

also, is that lori chick married to rick grimes or rick santorum? seriously, you'd think after a zombie apocalypse, the whole "women in the kitchen/men in the fields" thing would sorta go away, but i guess not.

Definitely the biggest WTF moment of this half of the season. When she and Andrea started arguing I thought Andrea was saying some stupid things, but then Lori took over and every word she said was so fucking ridiculous. The female half of that episode was the worst thing I've seen on the show yet. The male part of the show was good, though.

yeah, usually when you have two characters arguing on a show, at least one of them is making some sense. that scene was literally like watching Dumb vs. Dumber. i couldn't help but wonder if the writers thought one of them was being reasonable, or if they purposefully wrote both of them to sound like idiots. it's not often you see a TV argument where one side is pro-suicide and the other one is pro-misogyny.

Reading this makes me happy. I just caught up today and was tearing my hair out by the end of it. What happened? This show is making me kinda sad now...

[tfactor]

also, is that lori chick married to rick grimes or rick santorum? seriously, you'd think after a zombie apocalypse, the whole "women in the kitchen/men in the fields" thing would sorta go away, but i guess not.

Definitely the biggest WTF moment of this half of the season. When she and Andrea started arguing I thought Andrea was saying some stupid things, but then Lori took over and every word she said was so fucking ridiculous. The female half of that episode was the worst thing I've seen on the show yet. The male part of the show was good, though.

yeah, usually when you have two characters arguing on a show, at least one of them is making some sense. that scene was literally like watching Dumb vs. Dumber. i couldn't help but wonder if the writers thought one of them was being reasonable, or if they purposefully wrote both of them to sound like idiots. it's not often you see a TV argument where one side is pro-suicide and the other one is pro-misogyny.

Reading this makes me happy. I just caught up today and was tearing my hair out by the end of it. What happened? This show is making me kinda sad now...

Personally I hope they are simply making Lori just a dumb character so that they can kill her off. Seriously I agree with everything said above but also wanted to add - it is just me or is Lori acting like Shane was raping her the months that she was with him before her husband reappeared? I can't stand that bitch! Her character acts like such an intolerable jerk to Shane meanwhile a couple weeks previous she was going down on him. You can't go from loving a guy's cock to pretending like he molested you, when in truth she was all over him like white on rice.

On top of that, did anyone else truly hope she got killed for driving to town to "save" Rick, Hershal and Glen? All I kept thinking was: what an Ahole move to take that car ALONE #1 & #2 I hope she gets eaten! And I understand the need for the show to constantly show that Shane will protect her at any cost and all but that was unworldly and unrealistically STUPID! As ws the conversation with Amy about the Men taking care of them / suicide. Plus what about not having a choice with bringing a baby into a zombie apocolypes [was that all just some dumbass Pro-Life statement]?

Also with this New kid that knows Maggie from school, yes I understand that he could be part of a larger group Maybe even the canabals that got spoiled for me by talking about this show online, but that group left him for dead, impaled on a fence. Why would that other group even think he is alive? Its true that he was a little too comfortable taking on that one zombie lady (like he had done it before or enjoyed it) but wouldn't he also be incredibly greatful that the New group (our main group) actually saved him where the other group left him to die?

Anyway I hope Darrel (Norman Reedus) is reunited with his captain hook brother soon, because I think that this is going to change his involvement with the group completely. With that said and only 3 episodes left, it honestly feels more like the show is starting to really draw shit out far too much. I know they have better tricks up their sleaves and great plot twists in store but lets get to some of them already.

I don't want much spoiled and it seems they are diverting a bunch from the comics, which I really like since this keeps everything so fresh but I'm still saying lets get on with it here people.

Lastly Glenn is out of his fucking mind to pick being affraid over getting laid by a hot farmers daughter, forfuxake! Stop being the Mission Man and lock that relationship down before someone else does. Darrell is a better looker and safer protector than Glen and its just a matter of time until Maggie figures that out. >insert tiny penis joke here<

Final note: Lori is a total (worst thing you could call a woman), so I think Rick should start banging Amy and leave his crazy moron wife for Shane - problem solved!

BTW did anyone else get chills when Rick & Shane realized that the 2 cops were not Bitten but rather scratched?!?!?!? That was a holy shit moment which flew so far Under the radar that I almost missed it. THAT IS HUGE, think of suicide girl with her mom or Lori with the crashed car, or rick getting blood on his open wounds while the zombies piled on top of him, or even Shane cutting his hand while 10 zombies and spitting saliva on him trying to bite him, christ technically even Amy had that incident in the trailer. So yeah... Fresh Zombies are coming, who will it be???????
Enjoy
-T

[Fievel]

I don't want much spoiled and it seems they are diverting a bunch from the comics, which I really like since this keeps everything so fresh but I'm still saying lets get on with it here people.

Yes. It's starting to seem like the rumors of cost-cutting are more than true. There's hardly been any other locations this whole (including fall) season, and the secondary locations haven't been particularly exciting. Probably the best for me was the neighborhood that Shane took Andrea (Amy died first season) for shooting practice. I'd rather see the group go supply hunting in a neighborhood like that than have to watch another minute on the farm. All of Season 2's soap opera shit would have been so much better if it played out on the move.

BTW did anyone else get chills when Rick & Shane realized that the 2 cops were not Bitten but rather scratched?!?!?!? That was a holy shit moment which flew so far Under the radar that I almost missed it. THAT IS HUGE, think of ...or even Shane cutting his hand while 10 zombies and spitting saliva on him trying to bite him

Really have to wonder about Shane cutting his own hand with a knife that already had zombie blood on it.

[so sorry]

Si I watched Sunday's episode, which is the first Walking Dead I've watched since season 1's finale. This show (and zombie movies in general) are not my thang.

But...I do read this thread with some regularity, so when I came across the episode sunday I figured what the hell, better than the Oscars.

My reaction to Lori is the same as you all: seems like a big character change going on here. What I remember of her from season 1 was a confused wife, who gets caught in a bad situation between her was-dead husband and her new boyfriend. What I just witnessed was a nasty bitch who is goading her husband to kill Shane, and telling the other alpha female to start acting like a 50s housewife. BUT...she's got to be one of the 3 or 4 central characters to this show, so there's no way they are killing her off (P.S. I have no knowledge of the comics past what I read here). And now that she's pregnant, you better believe the writers will keep her safe. The big reveal of what will she birth, a regular baby or a zombie child they could drag out as a whole season (not that I think this show will go on that long).

Can someone hypothesize what the significance of the lone walker that Shane saw was? Was it meant to represent Shane's realization that he is alone now?

Regarding the plague and how you get it, they either have this worked out perfectly (I think I read that in the comics they all have the disease, and no matter how you die you become a zombie?) or they are incredibly sloppy and stupid since most of these people have been covered in zombie goo at some point or another, open cuts/mouths and all.

[TheBaxter]

lori needs to die. she's been annoying and stupid since episode 1, but continues to get annoying-er and stupid-er with every new episode.
glen should stick to banging maggie and staying at home doing chores, cooking, cleaning, while amy takes his place going on "missions" or whatever. that is, if lori will let him do all that women's work.

[TheBaxter]

Regarding the plague and how you get it, they either have this worked out perfectly (I think I read that in the comics they all have the disease, and no matter how you die you become a zombie?) or they are incredibly sloppy and stupid since most of these people have been covered in zombie goo at some point or another, open cuts/mouths and all.

not as sloppy and stupid as the writing. in season 1, they put on raincoats and made really sure not to get any zombie guts on them when they covered themselves in order to escape from atlanta. this season, they pretty much use zombie guts for hair gel and toothpaste. of course, there's one big difference between last season and this one: frank darabont was still running the show back then.

[tfactor]

Si I watched Sunday's episode, which is the first Walking Dead I've watched since season 1's finale. This show (and zombie movies in general) are not my thang.

But...I do read this thread with some regularity, so when I came across the episode sunday I figured what the hell, better than the Oscars.

My reaction to Lori is the same as you all: seems like a big character change going on here. What I remember of her from season 1 was a confused wife, who gets caught in a bad situation between her was-dead husband and her new boyfriend. What I just witnessed was a nasty bitch who is goading her husband to kill Shane, and telling the other alpha female to start acting like a 50s housewife. BUT...she's got to be one of the 3 or 4 central characters to this show, so there's no way they are killing her off (P.S. I have no knowledge of the comics past what I read here). And now that she's pregnant, you better believe the writers will keep her safe. The big reveal of what will she birth, a regular baby or a zombie child they could drag out as a whole season (not that I think this show will go on that long).

Can someone hypothesize what the significance of the lone walker that Shane saw was? Was it meant to represent Shane's realization that he is alone now?

Regarding the plague and how you get it, they either have this worked out perfectly (I think I read that in the comics they all have the disease, and no matter how you die you become a zombie?) or they are incredibly sloppy and stupid since most of these people have been covered in zombie goo at some point or another, open cuts/mouths and all.

Thanks for the reminder on the lone walker, because truly wouldn't the cowboy Shane (from season 1, or even the Barn Shane) have acted given the situation of seeing a sole slow zombie out for a walk? I kept waiting for him to say "pull over" to run out into the field and kill it violently? Rather I think that one zombie and him looking at it while Rick didn't see it was the show trying to enforce Shane's whole "I see whats coming / I see whats happening, while everyone else is blind to it" perspective that he has maintained while others seem oblivious to it.

I could be wrong but thats what I took from that scene. Shane looked pissed but yet not motivated enough, or perhaps too distracted, to do what he should by Killing them All!

Glad to see others are on the same page as me. Though I am sorry to have called Andrea "Amy" by mistake and actually I like her character more than most. Not because she is so Shane like but because you got to see this amazing evolution to her character in nearly every episode. She gets a little smarter, sharper & stronger as things progress, which I really enjoy but I wish the show could do more of this. Plus how much of that is intentional on the part of the writers - I don't know. But at the same time she Progresses - Dale seems to be digressing. Looking at them now you wouldn't realize that Dale had to stop Andrea from killing herself in season 1 with the TS14 episode.

SS you are a champ to hang & read about a show you have little interest or desire to watch the genre you don't like, your next round is on me. Plus I think someone should call Tom Cruise because I feel like drinking

Also @ Baxter - I kind of prefer the whole everyone is a Zombie until they die theory. Ignorance is truly bliss, aint it? As fievel said the whole cutting your hand with the same knife you cut a zombie with ... he may as well have asked that lady zombie to give him a Lori style blow job in that bus. The only difference between Lori & the zombie being that: you wouldn't have to close your eyes while the zombie went down on you

-T

[DennisMM]

I realize that they have strayed far from the comics. However, if they keep a few storytelling rules from the comics, this one is most important: No one is safe. Anyone could die at any moment, in any number of ways. Also, nobody is invulnerable. That includes beloved characters and assholes alike, regardless of age or seeming importance to the story. No one is safe. Yes,they have established in the comics that the zombie problem is not perpetuated by the zombies alone. Zombie bites are toxic, but anyone who dies except by massive brain trauma will return as a zombie. In that, the explanation or lack thereof resembles the original NOTLD.

[Nachokoolaid]

I really really hope Andrea dies. That bitch is so annoying. I know Lori grates sometimes, but crap. Andrea is the uber-bitch of annoyance. Nearly everything she's said so far this season seems fake or staged to me. Sort of takes me out of the moment. I'm not sure if it's the writing or the acting. Bleh.

[Fievel]

One of my problems with Andrea on the show is that in the comics, I took her to be at least 15 years younger than the actress that plays her on the show (Laurie Holden is 42). But I get the annoyance with the TV show character, and I blame the writing. It's like they have been forcing her to become this hardened, tough-as-nails bitch... a female Shane, and neither the character nor the show needs that.

Lori.... that argument is still a grating what-the-fuck bit of writing for me, and I hope it's just a single episode bit of dumbfuckery.

[The Vicar]

( sigh) I miss Frank Darabont.

[TheBaxter]

me too, but to be fair, a lot of these problems (especially with lori) existed from the very beginning. the whole concept of her gleefully shacking up with shane mere weeks after her husband supposedly died made no sense. i thought for sure we'd find out that they'd been sleeping around before the zombie apocalypse, since that's the only reasonable explanation for that behaviour, but nope. she's always been a dumb and annoying character, though it's reached new heights of dumbness since darabont left. there really is only one solution.

for the zombies: let them eat lori.

[Fievel]

me too, but to be fair, a lot of these problems (especially with lori) existed from the very beginning. the whole concept of her gleefully shacking up with shane mere weeks after her husband supposedly died made no sense. i thought for sure we'd find out that they'd been sleeping around before the zombie apocalypse, since that's the only reasonable explanation for that behaviour, but nope. she's always been a dumb and annoying character

And by the very beginning, this means the comic book. I always rolled my eyes and uttered a "too soon!" in regards to Lori and Shane when reading the graphic novels. If they would have had them screwing around before Rick was in the hospital, their hooking up during the outbreak would have made sense. But no. Wasn't Lori talking to a friend about possibly leaving Rick during a pre-zombie flashback the first season? I remember her talking to someone about Rick and that's when Shane came up saying Rick had been shot. That still doesn't excuse the writing of her character, but it shows an attempt to explain how she could move on so quickly.

( sigh) I miss Frank Darabont.

I do, too. There's no way of knowing how this second half of Season 2 would have played out had he still been with the show, but we'll always be left wondering. In every interview with Frank, he always seemed to be on the edge of his seat and excited as a kid to talk about the show. The new guy (whose name I haven't bothered committing to memory) just seems like a cocky douche who feels the show is lucky to have him (rather than the other way around, as was the way with Frank). I'm happy that Kirkman is still involved. But still, the what if's that will always remain with this show are a plenty.

[DennisMM]

I, also, see Andrea as too old. She doesn't look late 20s by any means, but the character in the comics is definitely under 30. Laurie Holden looks far too old to be the sister of the young actress who played Amy. Did they stress that as something that kept them apart, perhaps in the episode where they went fishing? I can't recall. Amy of the comics is sometimes a pain in the ass, but she's a good person who does her best to help the group. She's sniper because she's the best rifle and pistol shot, not because she doesn't want to do "womanly" chores.

I'm reading the Compendium 1 trade paperback, which is the first 48 issues. It's made very clear in the comics that Lori and Shane had sex once, when Lori was overwhelmed by shock and grief and was seeking comfort. Unlike their relationship in the program, they were not rolling around bumping and grinding until Rick showed up. It doesn't speak well of Lori, I know, but we live in a society where something like 40 percent of all marriages involve at least one incident of extramarital sex. And more women stray than men, apparently.

What is going on with Carol? Surely they don't intend to create a romantic or sexual relationship between her and Daryl? Talk about turning to a bad influence because of shock and grief. Now that Sophia is gone, they can't play Carol as they did in the comics, which may be all for the best. Carol in the comics is downright creepy.

[The Vicar]

Someone at AMC screwed the pooch bigtime - although it was pulled from the website,
AMC was advertising the WD Season Two DVD, the description of which provided a rather large SPOILER
( although readers of the GN and thinking viewers in Teh Zone were already predicting Shane's death)

Quite a cockup, eh?

Speaking the living dead ( not you, Romney), I'm watching a Canadian production called Forest of the Dead,
chuck full of Canadian actors ( go figure), mainly the guy who played Billy on Battlestar and some other dude I recognized from Lost..

[DerLanghaarige]

I don't know, I gotta admit that despite some too-dumb-to-be-funny character "development" (Women need to stay in the kitchen) and HUGE logical errors (apparently it's not so easy to become infected with the zombie flu, even if you drown in their blood), I have to say that season 2.2 is already a big improvement over its first half. The show went from "nearly unwatchable" back to its "good, but far from being great" level of season 1. At this point I doubt that it will ever become a favourite show of mine, but so far it seems like I will at least continue to watch it.

But what the fuck was up with those sound FX? I don't mind when they make zombie killing sound extra squishy, but during the fistfight, it sounded like Rick and Shane would smash each others heads to pulp with their bare fists!

[The Vicar]

WTF?

[DennisMM]

Ah, crap. Do you think the accidental posting on AMC's website about "Shane's last episode" was not an accident but a red herring? Most people seemed to have figured out what was happening in the "spoiled" plot line, but I don't think viewers were prepared for what happened in tonight's episode, at least not yet.

[Fievel]

I read an article somewhere that said that an unnamed cast member asked to leave the show when Darabont was fired. I rolled my eyes at the article, but now I believe it 100%.

This wasn't supposed to happen. Not so soon and not like this. His death in the comic was one of the best deaths in the entire Walking Dead story and it was nothing like this. I was just thinking about how good DeMunn was in Hershel's living room. His performance was outstanding. I really hope he asked to leave the show, because the loss of his character just plain sucks.

Dennis - I don't believe it was a red herring but an actual mistaken early posting. Spoiler regarding the AMC ad that was pulled and likely spoiler for the end of the Walking Dead season - Jon Bernthal, who plays Shane has been cast in Darabont's new show LA Noire..

First Sophia and now this.
I have to blame the loss of Darabont for this one because I can live with that. Otherwise that was THE worst decision made in the Walking Dead writer's room.

Based on the horrible deeds that Randall described in regards to the men in his group, I wonder if he's from The Governor's camp?

[TheBaxter]

is everybody on this show fucking stupid? how many times in one episode can somebody going wandering off, by themselves, without telling anyone where they're going, in a world full of zombies that jump out at you from nowhere? it was bad enough when dumbass lori drove off by herself and got in that accident. last night we got TWO people doing it. the only shame is that only one of them got killed.

seriously, you'd think by now that the #1 rule of zombie world is "don't go off by yourself, and if you leave the farm for any reason, TELL SOMEONE". you'd also think parents would keep a better eye on their kid, especially after he's just wandered into a barn to talk to someone you're worried might be dangerous, and after the other kid in your group just got zombified. isn't it a bit odd that carl is just allowed to walk around with no supervision and go where he pleases? when i was that age, we'd go visit one of my uncles who lived on a farm, and i wasn't allowed past where my parents could see me. and that farm didn't have flesh-eating zombies wandering around.

but at least he's a kid, so you can chalk up his dumbass behavior to being a stupid kid. dale, on the other hand, should know better. what was the thought process? "i'm alone, it's dark, no one knows i'm out here, and there are weird guttural sounds coming from this field. what should i do? i know, i'll go investigate, without telling anyone, and without bothering to ready my weapon in case a zombie jumps pops up behind me."

this show is trying my patience.

[so sorry]

is everybody on this show fucking stupid?

Yes.

[so sorry]

And in case you didn't stick around thru the first commercial break of ComicBook Men to see the "sneak peek" at next week's episode, let me sum it up for you thusly:

Token goes to the barn to get SoonToBeDead Kid, sees that he has escaped, and proclaims "Aw hell no!", Bill Willy Style.I shit you not.

[TheBaxter]

And in case you didn't stick around thru the first commercial break of ComicBook Men to see the "sneak peek" at next week's episode, let me sum it up for you thusly:

Token goes to the barn to get SoonToBeDead Kid, sees that he has escaped, and proclaims "Aw hell no!", Bill Willy Style.I shit you not.

wait, don't they have to pay him extra if he has a line? i mean, that's why he just stood there and said nothing during the execution debate last night, isn't it? i just assumed they turned him into a mute as part of their cost-cutting efforts.