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Acting Oscars that should have gone to the writer

PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:29 am
by minstrel
I haven't started a thread before - be gentle!

For a long time now, I've been aware of cases in which an actor wins an Oscar for a role, but the award really should have gone to the role itself. I mean, there are some parts that are just written so huge and strong that ANY decent actor could win an Oscar with it. Sometimes this really bugs me.

The first example I became aware of was Michael Douglas as Gordon Gekko in Wall Street. Douglas is an OK actor, and did a decent job, but the Oscar should have gone to the part. Gekko gets lots of big scenes and memorable lines - lots of actors could have made him memorable.

And as much as I like Tom Hanks, I thought his win for Forrest Gump really went to the role. He did a terrific job in it, but the role was so strong that lots of guys could have done it. That year I was really hoping for Morgan Freeman in Shawshank Redemption - a part nowhere near as "showy". But this lack of showiness makes it that much harder to make it memorable, and Freeman totally convinced me in his role.

An analogy of what I'm talking about would be racing cars. If you're driving a Ferrari, it's easy to win a race, but if you're driving a Volkswagen Beetle, it's a lot harder.

Can anyone else think of examples in which an Oscar went to the actor, but the role should have won? I mean, a case of a reasonable performance of a GREAT role beat a GREAT performance of a merely good role?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:32 am
by Tubbs Tattsyrup
I dunno. The best performances take good material and strengthen it. You can't really create something from nothing, or a great performance from crap material. You can make it a little better, but if the material's crap, it won't be that great. Garghh. What I mean is, usually performances are better anyway with good material. Eg, it's easier to deliver the line:

Fuck it, Dude. Let's go bowling.

well, than deliver the line:

Sand.............soft, and smooth. (edited in refusal to print that abomination)

well. Hence, John Goodman was far better in The Big Lebowski than Hayden Christensen was in Star Wars II/III.

Forrest Gump, though, was unfair (though I harbor a grudge against it for other awards also). Morgan Freeman could have won. Hell, Johnny Depp could've won for Ed Wood (which should have been his first nominated picture, not fucking Pirates for Christ's sake).

I honestly can't think of many Oscar-winners who fit that description. This is partially because I'm really tired, but also because I think good scripts tend to produce good performances (generally speaking).

PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:37 am
by John-Locke
Yeah I don't agree, for every actor who wins through having a character who's well written enough to let them give a great performance there is another who manages to ham it up despite the great writing.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:55 am
by Shane
Halle Berry in monsters Ball.

I don't think she was phenominal, and I believe alot of other people could have even surpassed her.

Re: Acting Oscars that should have gone to the writer

PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:41 am
by havocSchultz
minstrel wrote:An analogy of what I'm talking about would be racing cars. If you're driving a Ferrari, it's easy to win a race, but if you're driving a Volkswagen Beetle, it's a lot harder.


i once won a race in a volkswagon beetle against an '89 Tercel... actually - i was in the Tercel - and i lost - but the other way just sounds better for me...besides - i threw the race cause that's how it was written... what i'm trying to say is - i understand what you're saying minstrel... i think a better example would be Andy Serkis in the LOTR films - that Gollum role was ALL ABOUT THE WRITNG...bah! digital acting my ass...





















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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:44 am
by thomasgaffney
Shane wrote:Halle Berry in monsters Ball.

I don't think she was phenominal


Um... Did you miss her nude scene?? Now THAT was phenomenal!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:49 am
by havocSchultz
thomasgaffney wrote:
Shane wrote:Halle Berry in monsters Ball.

I don't think she was phenominal


Um... Did you miss her nude scene?? Now THAT was phenomenal!



BEST.


WRITING.


EVER.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:51 am
by Shane
thomasgaffney wrote:
Shane wrote:Halle Berry in monsters Ball.

I don't think she was phenominal


Um... Did you miss her nude scene?? Now THAT was phenomenal!


My bad.

so why didn't Jenna Jameson or Tracy Lords get their Academy Awards yet?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:54 am
by havocSchultz
Shane wrote:My bad.

so why didn't Jenna Jameson or Tracy Lords get their Academy Awards yet?


Ya - Tracy Lords is a great actress - hell - she convinced everyone for a little while that she was of age so she could fuck for money on camera...i can barely convince anybody to fuck for money...

















nobody thinks i'm worth the $10... :cry:

PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:34 am
by thomasgaffney
Shane wrote:
thomasgaffney wrote:
Shane wrote:Halle Berry in monsters Ball.

I don't think she was phenominal


Um... Did you miss her nude scene?? Now THAT was phenomenal!


My bad.

so why didn't Jenna Jameson or Tracy Lords get their Academy Awards yet?


I have extolled the virtues of Jenna Jameson's acting in a different thread (Can it be real?). If the Academy is too old and stuffy to recognize such talent, it is the world's loss.....