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Re: Brad Pitt: Good-Ass Actor or Good Ass, Actor?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:07 pm
by Dee E. Goppstober
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:If I told you to check out The World's Fastest Indian for top school Anthony Hopkins being fresh and being the CHARACTER himself more than Hopkins has been of late, would it help, D E?


Added to my movie queue -thanks, Kirk!

And I kind of agree - about Pitt's star not shining so bright:


so sorry wrote:Brad Pitt is an excellent actor, that may actual be percieved as less because of his good looks.

Call it the Reverse-Buscemi Effect...


I like this theory -but then maybe it ricochets back yet again- because some perceive him as a less good actor because of his good looks - he's then again cast as a brilliant actor -which he's not either.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:41 pm
by Cpt Kirks 2pay
Some, not so great or terrific Brad Pitt roles imo....


The Devil's Own
Legends of the Falling Hair
Sleepers
Seven Years in Tibet
Troy
Meet Joe Black
The Mexican
Mr and Mrs Smith
Didn't do much for me in Interview With The Vampire


Another thing... take away his looks, how much do you REALLY think we'd be talking about this actor, or how popular he would be?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:50 pm
by papalazeru
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Some, not so great or terrific Brad Pitt roles imo....


The Devil's Own
Legends of the Falling Hair
Sleepers
Seven Years in Tibet
Troy
Meet Joe Black
The Mexican
Mr and Mrs Smith
Didn't do much for me in Interview With The Vampire


Another thing... take away his looks, how much do you REALLY think we'd be talking about this actor, or how popular he would be?


I Hear all of those Kirk apart from Int with vamp and 'Meet joe black'.

Thought he did, alright, in those.

He's a bit of a bad 'luvvy'. He seems to have claimed fame from 'half acting' rather than someone like River Phoenix, who was pure brilliance. River was like a Kurt Cobain who peaked far to early and left room for idiots like Di Caprio.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:02 pm
by so sorry
papalazeru wrote:He's a bit of a bad 'luvvy'. He seems to have claimed fame from 'half acting' rather than someone like River Phoenix, who was pure brilliance. River was like a Kurt Cobain who peaked far to early and left room for idiots like Di Caprio.


You can't judge one actor's whole career over a decade + versus another actor's short-lived one.

River Phoenix never got the chance to accept suckier roles etc (see: Joichim Phoenix).

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:04 pm
by Cpt Kirks 2pay
papalazeru wrote:
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Some, not so great or terrific Brad Pitt roles imo....


The Devil's Own
Legends of the Falling Hair
Sleepers
Seven Years in Tibet
Troy
Meet Joe Black
The Mexican
Mr and Mrs Smith
Didn't do much for me in Interview With The Vampire


Another thing... take away his looks, how much do you REALLY think we'd be talking about this actor, or how popular he would be?


I Hear all of those Kirk apart from Int with vamp and 'Meet joe black'.

Thought he did, alright, in those.

He's a bit of a bad 'luvvy'. He seems to have claimed fame from 'half acting' rather than someone like River Phoenix, who was pure brilliance. River was like a Kurt Cobain who peaked far to early and left room for idiots like Di Caprio.



Bloody 'ell, what with all those other trouble making thread killing posts you make, you go and hit me with what might be not just possibly the very best thing you've said EVAR - but also one of the more right on the pulse of truth posts I've ever read here - EVAARRHH!!!

You're WIERD, Papa!!!

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:08 pm
by Cpt Kirks 2pay
so sorry wrote:
papalazeru wrote:He's a bit of a bad 'luvvy'. He seems to have claimed fame from 'half acting' rather than someone like River Phoenix, who was pure brilliance. River was like a Kurt Cobain who peaked far to early and left room for idiots like Di Caprio.


You can't judge one actor's whole career over a decade + versus another actor's short-lived one.

River Phoenix never got the chance to accept suckier roles etc (see: Joichim Phoenix).



I dunno. In his shorter span, Phoenix still crammed more emotion, sympathy and down right sensitivity and prospect than Pitt has done in his time thus far.

Sometimes with an actor you can just tell straight away, or if not, within a certain amount of movies. Phoenix proved himself many movies in, such as Running on Empty even, Sidney Lumet or no Sidney Lumet. Brad Pitt after all this time, I'm still on the fence at best. Again, that old saying quality vs quantity, but more importantly, this is all about acting, and so much of that is instinct and feeling. I got more positive vibes from Phoenix that I ever did about Pitt in the same time span.

On the real heavy dramatic scenes, Phoenix was always a natural to me, Pitt was always forced.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:13 pm
by papalazeru
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:
so sorry wrote:
papalazeru wrote:He's a bit of a bad 'luvvy'. He seems to have claimed fame from 'half acting' rather than someone like River Phoenix, who was pure brilliance. River was like a Kurt Cobain who peaked far to early and left room for idiots like Di Caprio.


You can't judge one actor's whole career over a decade + versus another actor's short-lived one.

River Phoenix never got the chance to accept suckier roles etc (see: Joichim Phoenix).



I dunno. In his shorter span, Phoenix still crammed more emotion, sympathy and down right sensitivity and prospect than Pitt has done in his time thus far.

Sometimes with an actor you can just tell straight away, or if not, within a certain amount of movies. Phoenix proved himself many movies in, such as Running on Empty even, Sidney Lumet or no Sidney Lumet. Brad Pitt after all this time, I'm still on the fence at best. Again, that old saying quality vs quantity, but more importantly, this is all about acting, and so much of that is instinct and feeling. I got more positive vibes from Phoenix that I ever did about Pitt in the same time span.

On the real heavy dramatic scenes, Phoenix was always a natural to me, Pitt was always forced.


Freakin' word.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:15 pm
by Fried Gold
"OI WONT DAT MORNEY TOHM!" said Brad Pitt.
(The Devil's Own, 1996)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:16 pm
by Fievel
12 Monkeys.
Best Brad Pitt role ever.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:20 pm
by papalazeru
Fievel wrote:12 Monkeys.
Best Brad Pitt role ever.


No-one seen 'Across the tracks' then?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:21 pm
by Cpt Kirks 2pay
Why is it when Brad Pitt is trying to do a crying/angry/emotionally confused scene he always looks like he's straining to take a crap.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:22 pm
by Fievel
papalazeru wrote:
Fievel wrote:12 Monkeys.
Best Brad Pitt role ever.


No-one seen 'Across the tracks' then?


I had to look it up to confirm, but yeah... I saw that back in the day. Probably the first movie with Pitt that I ever saw. Of course, Ricky Schroeder was the main draw in that. :lol:

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:23 pm
by Fievel
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Why is it when Brad Pitt is trying to do a crying/angry/emotionally confused scene he always looks like he's straining to take a crap.


Because he shat himself 5 times while filming the end to Se7en.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:31 pm
by Cpt Kirks 2pay
Brad Pitt's finest 2 odd minutes. Beats the crap outta anything River Phoenix did.

THis video was so much funnier when it had Jungle Boogy playing over it. Damnit Youtube and not posting the most obvious links!!

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:23 pm
by The Vicar
He wasn't bad in 12 Monkeys......perhaps too much Dennis Apocalypse Now Hopper, but it worked.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:09 pm
by wonkabar
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Brad Pitt's finest 2 odd minutes. Beats the crap outta anything River Phoenix did.

THis video was so much funnier when it had Jungle Boogy playing over it. Damnit Youtube and not posting the most obvious links!!



I have a new respect for Pitt

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:14 pm
by Fievel

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:15 pm
by Fievel
The Vicar wrote:He wasn't bad in 12 Monkeys......perhaps too much Dennis Apocalypse Now Hopper, but it worked.


I just had a thought, and I'm sure it's far from original.... 12 Monkeys could run parallel with 28 Days Later.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:20 pm
by The Vicar
You could make a case....

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:45 am
by Conroy420
Im not sure that Pitt is a great actor.

He is just very careful at choosing roles that make him appear great.

Can't hate on him for being a success.

I'd like to see him and Fincher get together again. Fincher got Pitt's best two preformances out of him, maybe go for top 3?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:55 am
by papalazeru
Conroy420 wrote:He is just very careful at choosing roles that make him appear great.


Yes....like always having a profile shot on his left side because the other suffers from 'Bryan Adams' syndrome.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:22 am
by Nordling
Conroy420 wrote:I'd like to see him and Fincher get together again. Fincher got Pitt's best two preformances out of him, maybe go for top 3?


THE CURIOUS CASE OF BENJAMIN BUTTON.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:47 am
by Peven
no love for his work in "Kalifornia"?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:03 am
by so sorry
Peven wrote:no love for his work in "Kalifornia"?


I love his work in Kalifornia.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:18 am
by Cpt Kirks 2pay
so sorry wrote:
Peven wrote:no love for his work in "Kalifornia"?


I love his work in Kalifornia.


I heard he was a great waiter when starting out as an actor in Kalifornia/California/whatever. Good worker there. Did you go to that restaurant he worked at too then, guys?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:50 am
by Maui
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:
so sorry wrote:
Peven wrote:no love for his work in "Kalifornia"?


I love his work in Kalifornia.


I heard he was a great waiter when starting out as an actor in Kalifornia/California/whatever. Good worker there. Did you go to that restaurant he worked at too then, guys?


I think it was an iHOP, no?

Image

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:55 am
by Cpt Kirks 2pay
What's an iHOP?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:56 am
by Maui
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:What's an iHOP?
'


International House of Pancakes

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:58 am
by tapehead
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:What's an iHOP?


I had no idea either - must be one of those exclusively North American phenomenon.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:58 am
by The Todd
Maui wrote:
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:What's an iHOP?

International House of Pancakes


You know when you come out of iHOP you never really feel like hopping? It's more like hey I Can Barely Move or I Need A Wheelchair

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:01 pm
by Lord Voldemoo
The Todd wrote:
Maui wrote:
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:What's an iHOP?

International House of Pancakes


You know when you come out of iHOP you never really feel like hopping? It's more like hey I Can Barely Move or I Need A Wheelchair


I typically go to IHOP at 3 am after a night out so for me it's more like "OH GOD I THINK I'M GOING TO BE SICK..."

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:01 pm
by Maui
Would you folks across the Pond like a link to their menu?

It's rather extravagant!!!

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:02 pm
by Cpt Kirks 2pay
Go on then.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:05 pm
by Maui
iHop Menu


There is a kid's section just for Kirk!

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:06 pm
by Lord Voldemoo
heh, you can ignore everything on the list after the crepes, nobody ever orders anything but breakfast there (or at least I've never seen it happen)

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:06 pm
by tapehead
We have the 'Pancake Parlour' chain here, aleegedly run by Scientologists, so I'm familiar with the pancake franchise thing.


I think we get smaller, human-sized portions.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:07 pm
by Maui
Lord Voldemoo wrote:heh, you can ignore everything on the list after the crepes, nobody ever orders anything but breakfast there (or at least I've never seen it happen)



Yeah, I only go there for breakfast, their specialty.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:09 pm
by Maui
tapehead wrote:
I think we get smaller, human-sized portions.


This aids in keeping North America's obesity stats high.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:21 pm
by Zarles
Here's what I get at iHOP.

Image

Good eatin'.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:28 pm
by Cpt Kirks 2pay
A Bucket!?!? A f*rking BUCKET!?!?!!?!? Do what!?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:29 pm
by Maui
Nordling wrote:
Conroy420 wrote:I'd like to see him and Fincher get together again. Fincher got Pitt's best two preformances out of him, maybe go for top 3?


THE CURIOUS CASE OF BENJAMIN BUTTON.


Oh cool, F. Scott Fitzgerald. I'd like to see this.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:36 pm
by Zarles
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:A Bucket!?!? A f*rking BUCKET!?!?!!?!? Do what!?


It's cool! You just put the handle of it around your neck, stick your face as deep into the bucket as you can get it, and then eat until your belt buckle pops off and kills someone sitting across the room. Good times.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:45 pm
by Cpt Kirks 2pay
Zarles wrote:
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:A Bucket!?!? A f*rking BUCKET!?!?!!?!? Do what!?


It's cool! You just put the handle of it around your neck, stick your face as deep into the bucket as you can get it, and then eat until your belt buckle pops off and kills someone sitting across the room. Good times.


HAHAHAHAAA!!!!!! Man I want that order!! I am so there!!! Anyone wanna put me up for the night if I come? Anyone got room after that meal?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:01 pm
by wonkabar
Maui wrote:
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:What's an iHOP?
'


International House of Pancakes



I guess it's not so "International" afterall.....

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:15 pm
by Maui
wonkabar wrote:
Maui wrote:
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:What's an iHOP?
'


International House of Pancakes



I guess it's not so "International" afterall.....


Well they have Belgian Waffles on the menu - that must count for something.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:22 pm
by so sorry
........aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand consider this thread done!

The votes are heavily in Pitt's favor, and the talk has degenerated into morning breakfast conversation.

THE PITT WON! TAKE THAT KIRKS!

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:30 pm
by Cpt Kirks 2pay
Turns his back right against so sorry as if to be facing away from him, his back right in his face....

So anyway, guys, his less than excellent performances in

The Devil's Own
Legends of the Falling Hair
Sleepers
Seven Years in Tibet
Troy
Meet Joe Black
The Mexican
Mr and Mrs Smith
Didn't do much for me in Interview With The Vampire,


where were we now!

TAKE THAT SO SORRY!!!!

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:32 pm
by Cpt Kirks 2pay
Oh actually, they're in favour of him as a 'good' actor, not an 'excellent' one, which was my kind of sentiment all along.

Um... take THAT, so sorry? :wink: :wink: :wink: all the way home!

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:32 pm
by so sorry
Alright, lets call it a draw (even thought the votes say otherwise).

Now how about we burry the hacket over a bucket o' scrambled eggs and kippers?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:34 pm
by Maui
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Legends of the Falling Hair


I didn't see that one - was it any good?