Pacino's "Great Actors, Lots Of Crap Movies."

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Postby Maui on Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:13 pm

I know this is an actor thread - but we can also add actresses into this mix, right?

Halle Berry - an oscar winning performance in Monster's Ball. I thought she was excellent - proved her talent then she does Catwoman - crap!
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Postby Pacino86845 on Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:26 pm

Actor is a genderless word originally... chalk it up to male chauvinism to invent a word such as "actress."

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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:27 pm

Maui wrote:I know this is an actor thread - but we can also add actresses into this mix, right?

Halle Berry - an oscar winning performance in Monster's Ball. I thought she was excellent - proved her talent then she does Catwoman - crap!


good call...and don't forget Swordfish...
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Postby Maui on Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:29 pm

Pacino86845 wrote:Actor is a genderless word originally... chalk it up to male chauvinism to invent a word such as "actress."



I completely agree.
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Postby Ribbons on Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:34 pm

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Pacino86845 wrote:Actor is a genderless word originally... chalk it up to male chauvinism to invent a word such as "actress."

I completely agree.


I was about to make a joke about going to the doctress. Good thing I scrolled up a couple posts...
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Postby Dr William Weir on Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:45 pm

Back onto this fellow Sam Neill, I saw In The Mouth of Madness for the first time the other day. Am I to assume this is considered a weak point for both himself and John Carpenter? Because it was quite a fine movie.
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Postby Maui on Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:20 pm

Bruce Willis in Perfect Stranger.
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Postby judderman on Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:46 pm

And Color of Night. And Bonfire of the Vanities. And Hudson Hawk (yes, it's crap. Just get over it). And Death Becomes Her. And North. And The Whole Nine/Ten Yards. And Breakfast of Champions. And The Kid. And Mercury Rising. And The Jackal. And Last Man Standing. And Four Rooms. And Striking Distance. And Loaded Weapon 1. And Billy Bathgate. And Look Who's Talking Too. And...
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Postby judderman on Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:48 pm

Dr William Weir wrote:Back onto this fellow Sam Neill, I saw In The Mouth of Madness for the first time the other day. Am I to assume this is considered a weak point for both himself and John Carpenter? Because it was quite a fine movie.


I enjoyed it up to the point when it completely lost the plot, literally and figuratively. As a fan of both Lovecraft and Das Boot it was a bit rankling to see Jurgen Prochnow ham it up as a kind of shoddy, secondhand rent-an-Al-Hazred.
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Postby godzillasushi on Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:02 pm

judderman wrote:And Death Becomes Her.


Darn you, that's solid crap right there.

The rest of those are bad.

And your forgot The Last Boy Scout. Don't be afraid of Havoc, he's gentle.
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Postby TonyWilson on Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:03 pm

It's not just Havoc!!!! The Last Boy Scout is a very beautiful film indeed.
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Postby godzillasushi on Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:04 pm

TonyWilson wrote:It's not just Havoc!!!! The Last Boy Scout is a very beautiful film indeed.


You have no idea what you're talking about.

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Postby Maui on Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:05 pm

judderman wrote:And Color of Night. And Bonfire of the Vanities. And Hudson Hawk (yes, it's crap. Just get over it). And Death Becomes Her. And North. And The Whole Nine/Ten Yards. And Breakfast of Champions. And The Kid. And Mercury Rising. And The Jackal. And Last Man Standing. And Four Rooms. And Striking Distance. And Loaded Weapon 1. And Billy Bathgate. And Look Who's Talking Too. And...




hahahahahah!!!

No, I won't get over it! :twisted: HH is pure genius!!!!!
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Postby minstrel on Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:14 pm

The Whole Nine Yards is pretty good. The Whole Ten Yards is garbage.
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Postby havocSchultz on Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:35 pm

Last Boyscout FUCKING ROCKS!!!

Fuck the sayings of NAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby stereosforgeeks on Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:42 pm

Hey I like Breakfast of Champions! It's a damn fine film.














Well maybe not, but I like it anyway.
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Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:43 pm

If I survive Havoc's posts I'm gonna dance a jig.
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Postby Maui on Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:43 pm

stereosforgeeks wrote:Hey I like Breakfast of Champions! It's a damn fine film.














Well maybe not, but I like it anyway.



Yeah, I liked it too.
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Postby havocSchultz on Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:44 pm

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Postby judderman on Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:22 am

DaleTremont wrote:
HollywoodBabylon wrote:
judderman wrote:
Peven wrote:Cate Blanchett was doing pretty well before "The Golden Age"


Really? Apart from Lotr, the Aviator and Elizabeth, can you name a single notable role she's had? Most of her films have been critical and commercial bombs. But that doesn't matter because culture has annointed her our generation's Great Actress. If only culture cut Emily Watson that much slack.


Have to disagree there Judderman. Blanchett is one of the best English speaking contemporary screen actresses around even if some of her movies haven't been critical or commercial successes (in the case of the latter that proves nothing. Since when has quantity meant quality?). She was excellent in movies like The Gift (the film itself was OK), Babel and Little Fish and in the upcoming Dylan biopic I'm Not There she's reputedly outstanding - no mean feat especially as she's playing a man (Dylan himself). I agree there is some degree of hype surrounding her status and that actresses like Emily Watson do deserve more recognition. However, that's not Blanchett's fault and shouldn't detract from the fact of her abilities as an actress. Plus, remember she's regarded even more as a stage actress (and is taking over the Sydney National Theatre in Australia for the next three years) and though the two crafts are very different, it's still as measure of her talent that she's so highly rated in both fields. Also, she's only in her early 30's and in my view has achieved an awful lot in acting terms in that relatively short amount of time. There's a genuine powerfulness about her acting yet also a refreshing naturalness that's both modest and completely unadorned by technicality. I think she's well on her way to becoming one of our generations finest actresses. And in my book she deserves too.


overrated *whispers timidly*

it feels somewhat blasphemous to say it, but i could never get behind cate blanchett's acting style. to me, she's always too stagey, and never natural. in fact, i have no doubt that watching cate blanchett on stage would have me speechless, jaw dropped down to the floor. but when you're talking film, it's fucking distracting. the whole bit with the watery eyes, the strained voice? think back. she's pulled that in sooo many of her movies. granted, the characters are always vastly different, but the method remains the same. remember that episode of friends when joey was teaching an acting class and he revealed his big secret to master a crying scene- keep tweezers in your pocket and pull out a hair? yeah. i think cate took that episode deeply to heart.


Just to clarify what I'm talking about here.

Cate Blanchett is a good actreess. I'm not denying that. She may even be a great actress. But there are plenty of great actresses out there; Emily Watson, Brenda Blethyn, the late and much lemented Catrin Cartlidge, Lili Taylor, and that's just off the top of my head. I would even say that those actresses are better than Blanchett. But Blanchett has the silver eyes, flaxen hair and Gelfling pout, so she's feted as though she was Catherine Hepburn, while other actresses are left to languish in indie limbo.
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Postby Maui on Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:17 pm

Gwyneth Paltrow in:

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Postby DaleTremont on Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:34 pm

Maui wrote:Gwyneth Paltrow in:

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Postby Maui on Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:39 pm

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Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:54 am

judderman wrote:But Blanchett has the silver eyes, flaxen hair and Gelfling pout, so she's feted as though she was Catherine Hepburn


Anna it's a no surprise that a the Cate, she played a the Kate inna the Aviator, no?
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Postby havocSchultz on Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:57 am

Maui wrote:
DaleTremont wrote:
Ma ui wrote:Gwyneth Paltrow in:

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If Gwyneth Paltrow is great, I am a cupcake.


:?:

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I think she's saying that Paltrow sucks...

Which, I would almost concur with - because her kid is named Apple...

But the only thing really worthwhile about Paltrow was her frequent boob shots in Shakespeare in Love...
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Postby tapehead on Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:42 am

judderman wrote: But Blanchett has the silver eyes, flaxen hair and Gelfling pout, so she's feted as though she was Catherine Hepburn, while other actresses are left to languish in indie limbo.


You're right - she was AMAZING as Hepburn in 'The Aviator'.
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Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:12 am

tapehead wrote:
judderman wrote: But Blanchett has the silver eyes, flaxen hair and Gelfling pout, so she's feted as though she was Catherine Hepburn, while other actresses are left to languish in indie limbo.


You're right - she was AMAZING as Hepburn in 'The Aviator'.


Uh, paisan?
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Postby tapehead on Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:19 am

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:
tapehead wrote:
judderman wrote: But Blanchett has the silver eyes, flaxen hair and Gelfling pout, so she's feted as though she was Catherine Hepburn, while other actresses are left to languish in indie limbo.


You're right - she was AMAZING as Hepburn in 'The Aviator'.


Uh, paisan?


yeah I just noticed :oops:

actually, I just want to see you post in more threads than junesquad...
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Postby DaleTremont on Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:00 pm

tapehead wrote:
DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:
tapehead wrote:
judderman wrote: But Blanchett has the silver eyes, flaxen hair and Gelfling pout, so she's feted as though she was Catherine Hepburn, while other actresses are left to languish in indie limbo.


You're right - she was AMAZING as Hepburn in 'The Aviator'.


Uh, paisan?


yeah I just noticed :oops:

actually, I just want to see you post in more threads than junesquad...


Impossible. He's a one man posting MACHINE. :-P
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Postby Maui on Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:56 pm

havocSchultz wrote:
Maui wrote:
D aleTremont wrote:
Ma ui wrote:Gwyneth Paltrow in:

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If Gwyneth Paltrow is great, I am a cupcake.


:?:

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I think she's saying that Paltrow sucks...

Which, I would almost concur with - because her kid is named Apple...

But the only thing really worthwhile about Paltrow was her frequent boob shots in Shakespeare in Love...




She's not that bad. I guess I need to redefine great. She certainly isn't in my top 10 best actress list - but she has put forth some good performances, and I'm not talking about her boob shots Havoc!!!!
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Postby havocSchultz on Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:01 pm

Maui wrote:
havocSchultz wrote:
M aui wrote:
D aleTremont wrote:
Ma ui wrote:Gwyneth Paltrow in:

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If Gwyneth Paltrow is great, I am a cupcake.


:?:

I'm thick today, s'plain yourself Lucy!


I think she's saying that Paltrow sucks...

Which, I would almost concur with - because her kid is named Apple...

But the only thing really worthwhile about Paltrow was her frequent boob shots in Shakespeare in Love...




She's not that bad. I guess I need to redefine great. She certainly isn't in my top 10 best actress list - but she has put forth some good performances, and I'm not talking about her boob shots Havoc!!!!


But they pulled off realism so well...
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Postby Maui on Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:10 pm

havocSchultz wrote:
Maui wrote:
h avocSchultz wrote:
M aui wrote:
D aleTremont wrote:
Ma ui wrote:Gwyneth Paltrow in:

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If Gwyneth Paltrow is great, I am a cupcake.


:?:

I'm thick today, s'plain yourself Lucy!


I think she's saying that Paltrow sucks...

Which, I would almost concur with - because her kid is named Apple...

But the only thing really worthwhile about Paltrow was her frequent boob shots in Shakespeare in Love...




She's not that bad. I guess I need to redefine great. She certainly isn't in my top 10 best actress list - but she has put forth some good performances, and I'm not talking about her boob shots Havoc!!!!


But they pulled off realism so well...



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Postby Zarles on Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:26 pm

Paltrow's hit-and-miss for me. The Royal Tenenbaums? Great. Sliding Doors? Entertaining. That piece of crap karaoke movie with Huey Lewis? Fire your agent, sweetheart.
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Postby HollywoodBabylon on Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:04 pm

Zarles wrote:Paltrow's hit-and-miss for me. The Royal Tenenbaums? Great. Sliding Doors? Entertaining. That piece of crap karaoke movie with Huey Lewis? Fire your agent, sweetheart.


There's just something a 'Little Miss Twee' about Paltrow that at times puts me off her. She just comes across as too prissy, too earnest, too self-important.
Mind you, she married Chris Martin, so she can't be held responsible solely for that.
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Postby Lady Sheridan on Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:14 pm

HollywoodBabylon wrote:
Zarles wrote:Paltrow's hit-and-miss for me. The Royal Tenenbaums? Great. Sliding Doors? Entertaining. That piece of crap karaoke movie with Huey Lewis? Fire your agent, sweetheart.


There's just something a 'Little Miss Twee' about Paltrow that at times puts me off her. She just comes across as too prissy, too earnest, too self-important.
Mind you, she married Chris Martin, so she can't be held responsible solely for that.


I don't know, that's a "chicken or the egg" kind of rationale...
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Postby Ribbons on Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:32 pm

Jahbulon wrote:
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Hermanator X wrote:But can anyone think of someone who hasnt made ANY klunkers?


Daniel Day-Lewis.


Bruno S? But then again, I guess he's got better odds, considering he's only been in two movies.


John Cazale!
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:36 pm

Ribbons wrote:
Jahbulon wrote:
Pacino86845 wrote:
Hermanator X wrote:But can anyone think of someone who hasnt made ANY klunkers?


Daniel Day-Lewis.


Bruno S? But then again, I guess he's got better odds, considering he's only been in two movies.


John Cazale!


PWNT! :wink:

Thanks for bumping a good thread, though. I never read through the end of this.
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Postby Ribbons on Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:37 pm

Lord Voldemoo wrote:
Ribbons wrote:
Hermanator X wrote:But can anyone think of someone who hasnt made ANY klunkers?


John Cazale!


PWNT! :wink:


I totally saw that! I was just uh... seconding it. Yeah, that's it!
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:38 pm

heheh, I had a really good one for this the other day, but I can't think of who it was.

ARRRGH!!!!!

John Ritter?

no....

EDIT: SHIT, it was Peter O'Toole...and Peven got it in like the 4th post.
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Postby Ribbons on Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:43 pm

I don't know if I have a good one exactly, and it might actually be slightly bending the parameters of this thread, but I was wondering if there are actors out there who you know aren't necessarily great, but who clearly spend a good chunk of their careers slumming it.

I just saw a commercial for some movie with Matthew McConaughey in it called Fool's Gold... this guy was Wooderson! He played a bearded nutjob in Reign of Fire! I don't know if he's actually ever proven himself a good actor, but it just seems to me like he's got so much charisma and potential that could be put to better use than a string of excrescent romantic comedies.
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:47 pm

Ribbons wrote:I don't know if I have a good one exactly, and it might actually be slightly bending the parameters of this thread, but I was wondering if there are actors out there who you know aren't necessarily great, but who clearly spend a good chunk of their careers slumming it.

I just saw a commercial for some movie with Matthew McConaughey in it called Fool's Gold... this guy was Wooderson! He played a bearded nutjob in Reign of Fire! I don't know if he's actually ever proven himself a good actor, but it just seems to me like he's got so much charisma and potential that could be put to better use than a string of excrescent romantic comedies.


On that note...how about Kate Hudson...
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Postby Ribbons on Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:50 pm

Lord Voldemoo wrote:On that note...how about Kate Hudson...


Heh. Seems appropriate that they've made at least two movies together, because they have a lot in common. I forget, sometimes, that she was nominated for an Academy Award.
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:51 pm

Ribbons wrote:
Lord Voldemoo wrote:On that note...how about Kate Hudson...


Heh. Seems appropriate that they've made at least two movies together, because they have a lot in common. I forget, sometimes, that she was nominated for an Academy Award.


I know...I was just looking at her IMDB page...other than one upcoming period-piece set in 1949 China or something, it's just more of the same for her. Romantic Comedy x4.
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Postby Flumm on Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:58 pm

For a moment in trying to recall him, I think he was temporarily pinned down my an attempted, and no doubt very studly, Coup d'état by Brian Dennehy, but alas...

Charles Durning...

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...would seem to be the kind of guy who likely be forgotten by history, leaving in his wake a surfeit of bilge on film, despite what talents he may have.


EDIT: He has nothing to do with Kate Hudson's Oscar cred or Matthew McConaughey's incredibly tiny arms, however. :oops:
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:07 pm

Flumm wrote:For a moment in trying to recall him, I think he was temporarily pinned down my an attempted, and no doubt very studly, Coup d'état by Brian Dennehy, but alas...

Charles Durning...

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...would seem to be the kind of guy who likely be forgotten by history, leaving in his wake a surfeit of bilge on film, despite what talents he may have.


hahahaha, excellent. Perfect example. He has an ENORMOUS filmography on IMDB...tons of variety. Appeared in a lot of great movies. A lot of horrible ones too.

To me he will always and forever be Doc Hopper from The Muppet Movie :oops:

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Postby Maui on Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:17 pm

Ribbons wrote:
Lord Voldemoo wrote:On that note...how about Kate Hudson...


Heh. Seems appropriate that they've made at least two movies together, because they have a lot in common. I forget, sometimes, that she was nominated for an Academy Award.


The only movie that I liked her in was 'Almost Famous'. The rest of the stuff she's been in has been kinda crappy. I'm not even sure if she was acting in 'Almost Famous'. She was in real life playing the part of a groupie to her then boyfriend/husband Black Crows singer Chris Robinson.

So maybe then this post belongs in the 'Crappy Actor/Crappy Movie' thread. :idea: :wink:
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Postby Ribbons on Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:29 pm

Maui wrote:The only movie that I liked her in was 'Almost Famous'. The rest of the stuff she's been in has been kinda crappy. I'm not even sure if she was acting in 'Almost Famous'. She was in real life playing the part of a groupie to her then boyfriend/husband Black Crows singer Chris Robinson.

So maybe then this post belongs in the 'Crappy Actor/Crappy Movie' thread. :idea: :wink:


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Re: Pacino's "Great Actors, Lots Of Crap!"

Postby TheButcher on Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:02 am

Rewind: Orson Welles Was Victorious In Ad For Board Game 'Dark Tower'
Kevin Jagernauth wrote:Orson Welles is essentially known for three things: 1) making The Greatest Movie Of All Time with "Citizen Kane" 2) forever being plagued by a variety of issues on pretty much every movie he made afterward (weep for the lost 30 minutes of "The Magnificent Ambersons") and 3) making a handful of bizarre ads in the latter stage of his career.

You already know about his infamous frozen peas ad or his numerous Carlsberg spots, but what you may not know about is his ad for the board game Dark Tower, dug up by io9. If you were a total dork as a kid like this writer, you probably played this game, which was trying to cash in the Dungeons & Dragons fad of the time with a medieval war pursuit all centered around a big battery operated tower. It was actually pretty neat, but once the massive battery needed for that tower died, the game wasn't exciting enough to find a battery for it. Anyway, it sounds way more awesome when Orson Welles talks about it.

In related news, Orson Welles' Oscar for Best Screenplay (for "Citizen Kane") -- which has passed through a few hands over the decades -- is going up for auction on December 20th, reports THR. And apparently nobody knows what it's worth as its expected to fetch anywhere from $60,000 to $1 million bucks. It'll make quite the stocking stuffer.
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Postby so sorry on Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:08 am

TheButcher wrote:Rewind: Orson Welles Was Victorious In Ad For Board Game 'Dark Tower'
Kevin Jagernauth wrote:Orson Welles is essentially known for three things: 1) making The Greatest Movie Of All Time with "Citizen Kane" 2) forever being plagued by a variety of issues on pretty much every movie he made afterward (weep for the lost 30 minutes of "The Magnificent Ambersons") and 3) making a handful of bizarre ads in the latter stage of his career.

You already know about his infamous frozen peas ad or his numerous Carlsberg spots, but what you may not know about is his ad for the board game Dark Tower, dug up by io9. If you were a total dork as a kid like this writer, you probably played this game, which was trying to cash in the Dungeons & Dragons fad of the time with a medieval war pursuit all centered around a big battery operated tower. It was actually pretty neat, but once the massive battery needed for that tower died, the game wasn't exciting enough to find a battery for it. Anyway, it sounds way more awesome when Orson Welles talks about it.

In related news, Orson Welles' Oscar for Best Screenplay (for "Citizen Kane") -- which has passed through a few hands over the decades -- is going up for auction on December 20th, reports THR. And apparently nobody knows what it's worth as its expected to fetch anywhere from $60,000 to $1 million bucks. It'll make quite the stocking stuffer.




Ummm, this game was all sorts of awesome.
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