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Postby DaleTremont on Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:59 am

godzillasushi wrote:Sam Neill seems to be a pretty good actor but then he did Jurassic Park 3 and some crappy Merlin movies that I probably never have to see. Plus, quite a few TV things. Lots really.

Wierd choices.


Merlin isn't crappy! That's one of the best mini-series around- it did a lot more for the Merlin myth than lots of other crapola out there. But yes, his career did seem to die down a bit after that. Maybe it's the stigma that accompanies anything involving the words "mini-series."
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Postby havocSchultz on Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:01 pm

tapehead wrote:
havocSchultz wrote:
tapehead wrote:
havocSchultz wrote:Two of the best damn Bigfoot/Sasquatch movies ever MADE!!!


damn straight - he's also, along with John Hurt, one of the all-time best android actors ever.


Hmmm...

Great Android Actors could be another thread all to itself...


Plus it would give you a chance to talk about that creepy 'Small Wonder' show again...

OMFG!!! John Hurt has acne scars too!!


Hahahaha...

I was actually gonna post/ask if we could consider TV shows as well - cause then I so would've nominated her...

Where's brocktune when you need him?!?!?!?!?
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Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:02 pm

havocSchultz wrote:
tapehead wrote:
havocSchultz wrote:
tapehead wrote:
havocSchultz wrote:Two of the best damn Bigfoot/Sasquatch movies ever MADE!!!


damn straight - he's also, along with John Hurt, one of the all-time best android actors ever.


Hmmm...

Great Android Actors could be another thread all to itself...


Plus it would give you a chance to talk about that creepy 'Small Wonder' show again...

OMFG!!! John Hurt has acne scars too!!


Hahahaha...

I was actually gonna post/ask if we could consider TV shows as well - cause then I so would've nominated her...

Where's brocktune when you need him?!?!?!?!?


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Postby DaleTremont on Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:04 pm

Also, what happened to Jon Voight??

Varsity Blues?
Tomb Raider?
National Treasure?
BRATZ???

Okay Tomb Raider might be excusable because he wanted a chance to worm his way back into his daughter('s affections) and National Treasure probably had a pretty big paycheck attached but BRATZ?? Seriously?
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Postby tapehead on Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:11 pm

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tapehead wrote:
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havocSchultz wrote:Two of the best damn Bigfoot/Sasquatch movies ever MADE!!!


damn straight - he's also, along with John Hurt, one of the all-time best android actors ever.


When did John Hurt play an android?

nah you're right - I don't think he ever did. I was thinking of him as the android in Alien for some reason.



:oops:

I just spent 10 minutes clicking on every film on John Hurt's IMDB page, going "Android... what? How did I miss this, I'm so not a geek"


Phew.


I was just talking about it in the AVP thread yesterday too. I got to re-watch, obviously.
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Postby Zarles on Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:34 pm

It breaks my heart to say it, but I think Harvey Keitel needs to be in here somewhere. The guy's been playing various reincarnations of The Wolf for almost 15 years now.

He did just sign on to play Jerry Springer in 'Jerry Springer - The Opera', though, so things just might be coming up daisies for him again pretty soon. :roll:
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Postby tapehead on Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:40 pm

Being that Pulp Fiction is less than 15 years old, what films are you referring to here?
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Postby Al Shut on Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:47 pm

I too don't remember Keitel repeating himself over and overe again.

But than lookiing at his IMDB page I haven't seen most of his films at all.
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Postby Zarles on Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:55 pm

tapehead wrote:Being that Pulp Fiction is less than 15 years old, what films are you referring to here?


I was rounding off when I said 15 years, (PF came out in '94) and all I really meant was that he's kinda faded back into semi-obscurity since Pulp Fiction. It's just sad, is all - he's an awesome actor that always ends up in movies that not a lot of people see.
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Postby Dr William Weir on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:01 pm

DaleTremont wrote:Also, what happened to Jon Voight??

Varsity Blues?
Tomb Raider?
National Treasure?
BRATZ???

Okay Tomb Raider might be excusable because he wanted a chance to worm his way back into his daughter('s affections) and National Treasure probably had a pretty big paycheck attached but BRATZ?? Seriously?


You forgot the wonderful Anaconda, dear boy. Naturally, Sam Neill has never been in a bad film all his life.

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I'm still trying to wipe the memory of Bicentennial Man even to this day. Even bleach doesn't work.
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Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:07 pm

What about yourself in Event Horizon?
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Postby tapehead on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:09 pm

Zarles wrote:
tapehead wrote:Being that Pulp Fiction is less than 15 years old, what films are you referring to here?


I was rounding off when I said 15 years, (PF came out in '94) and all I really meant was that he's kinda faded back into semi-obscurity since Pulp Fiction. It's just sad, is all - he's an awesome actor that always ends up in movies that not a lot of people see.


Actually my question was directed more at the 'reincarnations' of 'The Wolf' character. In 'Point of No Return' / 'The Assasin' (the American remake of 'La Femme Nikita' he plays a character called 'Victor the cleaner' that is a lot like his character in PF - but it was a year or two before and I always thought maybe Tarantino borrowed the idea from this movie.
I don't think he's played anything like it since.
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Postby Zarles on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:14 pm

You're probably right. Maybe it's just me who thinks he got typecast because of it.
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Postby wonkabar on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:19 pm

godzillasushi wrote:Sam Neill seems to be a pretty good actor but then he did Jurassic Park 3 and some crappy Merlin movies that I probably never have to see.


Dude, I liked the first Merlin movie
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Postby Fawst on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:22 pm

Dr William Weir wrote:I'm still trying to wipe the memory of Bicentennial Man even to this day. Even bleach doesn't work.


Ouch... I loved Bicentennial Man. I thought it was a hugely underrated movie, and FAR more effective than A.I.
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Postby tapehead on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:24 pm

Zarles wrote:You're probably right. Maybe it's just me who thinks he got typecast because of it.


Typecast? See again, if you could mention another movies after PF where he plays a similar role (i.e. 'typecasting') I'm be more than happy to entertain the notion...

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Dr William Weir wrote:I'm still trying to wipe the memory of Bicentennial Man even to this day. Even bleach doesn't work.


Ouch... I loved Bicentennial Man. I thought it was a hugely underrated movie, and FAR more effective than A.I.


oh dear - wait, this is you pulling the 'Mac & Me' gag again, right?
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Postby godzillasushi on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:27 pm

wonkabar wrote:
godzillasushi wrote:Sam Neill seems to be a pretty good actor but then he did Jurassic Park 3 and some crappy Merlin movies that I probably never have to see.


Dude, I liked the first Merlin movie


So it must have been bad then :-P

I was just reading up and yes, in fact the first seems to have been strong. The second was the weaker uglier crappier dumber one.

But you get what im sayin! Some good, most not so good.

And I liked Bicentennial Man also. Although, its very very wierd. Still a nice ending. There are some bizarre themes to it. Somehow I feel siding with Fawst will haunt me forever!
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Postby Fawst on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:27 pm

Hey, I dunno... the end got me. I thought it was really sweet. Parts of it were gutter trash, but hey... that's the same for a lot of movies. Thing is, I FUCKING HATE A.I. So for me to say that BM is better, it's not a big leap for me. The Littles are cooler than A.I., and that was a saturday morning cartoon that had nothing to do with the future or robots.
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Postby wonkabar on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:28 pm

Anybody seen this one....that's quite a cast........must be good right?


....then again F. Murray Abraham is pretty much the Ted McGinley of movies
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:28 pm

What about Harrison Ford? I'll be honest that I've avoided most of his films since Air Force One, but from what I have been able to gather they are largely horrible:

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Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:37 pm

Dr William Weir wrote:I'm still trying to wipe the memory of Bicentennial Man even to this day.


Speaking of a which... the Dino, he'll go anna add a the Robin Williams to a the list, eh?

Yes, yes... Robin Williams.
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Postby Zarles on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:38 pm

tapehead wrote:
Zarles wrote:You're probably right. Maybe it's just me who thinks he got typecast because of it.


Typecast? See again, if you could mention another movies after PF where he plays a similar role (i.e. 'typecasting') I'm be more than happy to entertain the notion...


You have to admit that Keitel often gets cast in a Mafia/tough-guy role. Whether or not the role has anything to do with The Wolf is debatable, (if it occurred after PF, of course) but it's a part he plays frequently. Really all I was trying to express.
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Postby tapehead on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:39 pm

Absolutely - Mork has had a very spotty film career - for every 'One Hour Photo' there's a 'Mrs Doubtfire'

Chris Columbus must pay - for Bicentennial Man, Mrs Doubtfire, and the freaking Goonies!!!
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Postby Fried Gold on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:43 pm

judderman wrote:
Fried Gold wrote:Any of the good actors that sullied their reputations with those Pirates films.

judderman wrote:Ben Kinglsey

I'm still not convinced he's a "great" actor, but that's for another debate.


He was great as Gandhi, and as Meyer Lansky, and as Itzak Stern (in Schindler's List), and in Sexy Beast. All very different roles, so yes, I'd call him a great actor.

When he's good he's great, when he's not he's Ghandhi.
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Postby Zarles on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:47 pm

tapehead wrote:Absolutely - Mork has had a very spotty film career - for every 'One Hour Photo' there's a 'Mrs Doubtfire'

Chris Columbus must pay - for Bicentennial Man, Mrs Doubtfire, and the freaking Goonies!!!


Switch out 'Goonies' for the first two H.arry Potter movies, and yeah. I can't even watch them anymore.
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Postby wonkabar on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:48 pm

Robin Williams should stick to drama. His shtick was only funny when he was on coke.

Now that he's older he's a lot better when he's actually trying to be creepy
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Postby Zarles on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:50 pm

wonkabar wrote:Robin Williams should stick to drama. His shtick was only funny when he was on coke.

Now that he's older he's a lot better when he's actually trying to be creepy


Absolutely.
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Postby godzillasushi on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:50 pm

He does good voicework. Kinda.

I never saw Happy Feet because im a mean heartless moviegoer with hatred for mainstream CGI. But in Aladdin he was coolish.
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Postby judderman on Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:16 pm

tapehead wrote:nah you're right - I don't think he ever did. I was thinking of him as the android in Alien for some reason.


Nope. That was Bilbo Baggins.

Dr William Weir wrote:You forgot the wonderful Anaconda, dear boy.


Anaconda ruled! For this one-time Brazilian resident, I have to love this film for being the only Hollywood product in which one of the cast shouted Puta que pariu!
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Postby Dr William Weir on Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:44 pm

@Captain Kirk - I'm not Sam Neill, I'm William Weir... Event Horizon is a documentary, didn't you realise? However, I'd be the first to admit that there's a similarity there. A fine looking man if ever there was one!

@Judderman - Despite my own innate tendencies, I wouldn't want one as a pet. However, I would like a Jennifer Lopez circa 1997 as a pet - and who wouldn't?

I will say Robin Williams is most definitely a worthy addition to the list. Death to Smoochy, anyone?
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Postby judderman on Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:50 pm

Yeess... Jennifer Lopez in her Out of Sight glory days...

What happened?

I actually like Event Horizon. OK so it fell to pieces at the end but it was really scary. And yes, it was basically "Solaris as a horror movie" but damn it, Solaris as a horror movie is a fucking cool idea.

Ever since The Piano, Sam Niell has been typecast as a repressed borderline psychotic. See: Event Horizon, In the Mouth of Madness, Children of the Revolution, Snow White: A Tale of Terror, The Tudors etc.
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Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:51 pm

Chrishte. How about Steve fucking Martin?

From possible the funniest actor I knew, to the only actor that I ever wanted to beat the shit out of.

Steve Martin.

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Postby godzillasushi on Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:54 pm

Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Discuss.


The Pink Panther
Bringing Down the House
Cheaper by the Dozen 1&2
The Out-of-Towners



Those pretty much solidify your point.

Basically he has sprinkled some good in over the past 10-15 crappy years.
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Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:57 pm

Are they meant to be the good?
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Postby papalazeru on Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:13 pm

judderman wrote: Puta que pariu!


That's from a longer phrase which is so much funnier than just that.
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Postby Hermanator X on Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:41 pm

I think this is way too easy and I agree with most of the posts so far. Especially Steve Martin.

But can anyone think of someone who hasnt made ANY klunkers?
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Postby Pacino86845 on Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:42 pm

Hermanator X wrote:But can anyone think of someone who hasnt made ANY klunkers?


Daniel Day-Lewis.
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Postby Jahbulon on Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:15 pm

Pacino86845 wrote:
Hermanator X wrote:But can anyone think of someone who hasnt made ANY klunkers?


Daniel Day-Lewis.


Bruno S? But then again, I guess he's got better odds, considering he's only been in two movies.






Back to good actors/bad movies: what about James Woods (Recess the movie, anyone?).

The King of Thread has got to be Klaus Kinski, by the way. The only thing he ever read before appearing in a picture was the cheque.
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Postby Pacino86845 on Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:19 pm

Damn, Kinski's gonna be impossible to top I think... but does anyone consider him to be a great actor in the first place? :)
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Postby Lady Sheridan on Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:38 pm

Fawst wrote:Viggo Mortenson. American Yakuza. Nuff said on that one.


Poor Viggo. I'm not sure he counts because while he was in tons of horrible movies, it was largely because Aragorn had to eat. I think his choices post LOTR show he's got a knack for picking scripts when they aren't trying to shut off his electricity.

However, I'd like to add William Hurt to the list. I consider him a very good actor and yet...Lost in Space?
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Postby papalazeru on Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:41 pm

Since we're on a world of Hurt.

John Hurt. Pretty awesome career.

I was going to say Harvey Keitel but then I remembered Sister Act.
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Postby Chairman Kaga on Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:43 pm

Pacino86845 wrote:
Hermanator X wrote:But can anyone think of someone who hasnt made ANY klunkers?


Daniel Day-Lewis.

Are you kidding? Did you forget Scorcese's giant turd "The Age of Innocence" ?
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:45 pm

Lady Sheridan wrote:
However, I'd like to add William Hurt to the list. I consider him a very good actor and yet...Lost in Space?


And The Village, which has a very special place of hatred in my heart.
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Postby Lady Sheridan on Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:48 pm

Chairman Kaga wrote:
Pacino86845 wrote:
Hermanator X wrote:But can anyone think of someone who hasnt made ANY klunkers?


Daniel Day-Lewis.

Are you kidding? Did you forget Scorcese's giant turd "The Age of Innocence" ?


While I enjoy that movie (I'm an Edith Wharton geek), I do think Day-Lewis' performance is one of the weakest in it. The Newland Archer in the book is actually likeable, genuinely in love with May at the beginning, and not a tightly wound fraud.
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Postby Hermanator X on Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:48 pm

Ahh Voldemoo you beat me too it. I hate that movie with a passion, and its a blight on all involved's careers in my eyes.
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Postby Chairman Kaga on Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:51 pm

Lady Sheridan wrote:
Chairman Kaga wrote:
Pacino86845 wrote:
Hermanator X wrote:But can anyone think of someone who hasnt made ANY klunkers?


Daniel Day-Lewis.

Are you kidding? Did you forget Scorcese's giant turd "The Age of Innocence" ?


While I enjoy that movie (I'm an Edith Wharton geek), I do think Day-Lewis' performance is one of the weakest in it. The Newland Archer in the book is actually likeable, genuinely in love with May at the beginning, and not a tightly wound fraud.

I know nothing of the book but I felt the film was very "disingenuous" as a period film in much the same way the recent TCM remake was a 70's film by way of Urban Outfitters.
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Postby Pacino86845 on Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:57 pm

Just 'cause you guys didn't like Age of Innocence, doesn't mean it's a turd... THE CRITICS HAVE SPOKEN!!!.

Sorry, Thunderbirds, Lost in Space, those are turds!!

And funnily enough, the idea of this thread was sparked by a discussion on William Hurt being a great actor who has a lot of crap films (The Village being one of the earliest cited examples) :wink:.
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:07 pm

Pacino86845 wrote:And funnily enough, the idea of this thread was sparked by a discussion on William Hurt being a great actor who has a lot of crap films (The Village being one of the earliest cited examples) :wink:.


Ooh, I missed that whole exchange...but I'm glad that I'm on the same page with SOMEONE for once.

And Goonies Rawks.
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Postby Pacino86845 on Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:08 pm

What's a Goonies?
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:14 pm

Pacino86845 wrote:What's a Goonies?


heh, sorry, was just doing a little cross thread marketing...
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