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Re: What is you favourite Arnold Schwarzenegger Moment?

PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:57 am
by TheButcher

Re: What is you favourite Arnold Schwarzenegger Moment?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:08 am
by Spandau Belly
I watched RAW DEAL again the other night. I think this was one of those movies that was always on television dubbed in French when I was a kid, but I hadn't revisited it since. The film was rushed out as part of Arnie's divorce from Dino De Laurentis. When Arnie signed on to play Conan, the agreement was for a Conan trilogy. Arnie had it placed in the contract that Dino had to put Arnie in a lead role in an action movie with a contemporary setting so that Arnie wouldn't be typecast in fantasy films. Arnie resented that Dino didn't invest as much money into the writing/directing/stunts for RAW DEAL as Arnie would've liked. Dino and Arnie never got along, but there was some professional grace between them. Dino allowed Arnie to star in TERMINATOR, which he could've blocked if he wanted to. After DESTROYER, Arnie didn't want to do the third Conan movie. Dino could've forced it if he wanted to, but let him off with a cameo in RED SONJA (I think Arnie only filmed for like five days or something). But I find RAW DEAL to be pretty fun. I agree with Arnie that it is obviously a little cheap. It has a Golan Globus feel to it, namely DEATH WISH 4: THE CRACKDOWN.

The editing is probably the worst aspect. It's outright amateur. There's one really strange part early on where Arnie and the FBI guy are having a conversation and it fades to black in the middle of the conversation then cuts back to the same scene, making it seem like there was maybe a three hour pause at the end of that guy's sentence or something. The rest of the time the cuts are either too soon or too late.

But the overall movie is a lot of fun. The story is a good simple setup. It keeps its pace up and provides Arnie with lots of opportunities to work his persona, killing tons of people and making jokes. The rock quarry sequence is definitely the best. The movie builds a rivalry between Arnie and Robert Davi, so it's somewhat surprising that that conflict doesn't resolve itself in a more climatc way. But I liked that they just waste Davi in a gunfight before the final act. It was kind of a curveball. The character interactions are pretty lively and fun. Arnie's fight with his drunk depressed wife at the start is hilarious. And I liked all the stuff where he's acting like an Arniefied James Bond in the gangsters' casino.

Good times.

Re: What is you favourite Arnold Schwarzenegger Moment?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:34 am
by so sorry
I like Raw Deal alot actually. Its corny as hell, but fun.

So Conan the Destroyer was on IFC last night for some reason. I caught the beginning, and stuck with it for about 40 minutes. I just couldn't take it anymore. Its such a slap in the face to the original Conan. It actually angers me.

Re: What is you favourite Arnold Schwarzenegger Moment?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:13 pm
by caruso_stalker217
The last scene in RAW DEAL is the craziest shit ever, with Arnold motivating Darren McGavin to walk again by making him the godfather of his unborn child and using the guy's dead son against him while the nurse smiles proudly. And of course it ends on a freeze frame.

"DEED YEW EVAH QUID IN FRAHND AUF BLAYYYAH?"

Re: What is you favourite Arnold Schwarzenegger Moment?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:14 pm
by caruso_stalker217
so sorry wrote:So Conan the Destroyer was on IFC last night for some reason. I caught the beginning, and stuck with it for about 40 minutes. I just couldn't take it anymore. Its such a slap in the face to the original Conan. It actually angers me.


The sad thing is in a lot of ways DESTROYER is more faithful to the original Conan stories than the first film was. It's just executed terribly.

Re: What is you favourite Arnold Schwarzenegger Moment?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:54 am
by Spandau Belly
SABOTAGE

I caught up with this one on video because I blinked during its theatrical run. I have enjoyed most of David Ayer's movies, and this one appeared to be well within his comfort zone of the corrupt macho cop subgenre. From what I read, Ayer wasn't happy with the studio for demanding a reshoot ending and overly cutting the character moments of the film. He may be right, but even so, I don't really think the movie was going to work in a big way. There are some pretty big plot holes, some of which may be explained in scenes that got cut. But a thriller with a bit of a mystery at its core should make way more sense than this movie does.

Ayer does a good job with most of the stuff he usually does well: the characterization, the relationships between the characters, the banter. Even though the members of Arnie's team are all some variation of biker badass, Ayer puts together an interesting cast who all bring a different approach to their characters and so the main ones all feel distinct from each other. Mireille Enos probably steals the show playing the most dynamic character. I would've never thought of her playing a character like this, but she does a great job. And I liked Sam Worthington's middle-of-the-pack/voice-of-reason character. I suspect that many of Terrence Howard's scenes got cut.

Schwarzenegger is well cast as the veteran alpha dog and he continues to play roles in a way that accept his age without overplaying it. Since his return from politics, he's done a good job picking roles that are right for this stage in his career.

There's a lot of good pieces here, mostly in the form of the cast, characters, and Ayer's ability to immerse the audience in this team atmosphere. The basic story is a good idea, but the plotting is just way too messy. Right from the start things don't really make sense and it only gets worse. The various SWAT style action sequences are pretty good, but there aren't many of them. The climax involves these elite squad guys shooting and missing way too much.