The Zone's Quest to Find the Greatest Director (CAGLE)

Which director made the best films, made the best visuals, or smelled the best? This is the forum to find out.

The Zone's Quest to Find the Greatest Director (CAGLE)

Postby WinslowLeach on Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:21 pm

Heres the place you can list your favorite directors and talk about their work in film.

My top favorites:

Howard Hawks, Sergio Leone, Mario Bava, Sam Fuller, Orson Welles, Sam Peckinpah, Brian DePalma, Dario Argento, Martin Scorsese, Lucio Fulci, Jack Hill, Francis Ford Coppola, Quentin Tarantino

Honorable mentions: Akira Kurosawa, Alfred Hitchcock, Stanley Kubrick, Steven Spielberg, Charlie Chaplin, Nicholas Ray, Douglas Sirk, Don Siegel, Jean Pierre Melville, Robert Aldrich, Ridley Scott, John Carpenter, Woody Allen, Clint Eastwood, Peter Bogdanovich, Joe Dante, John Milius, Walter Hill, Paul Shrader, William Friedkin, Antonio Margheriti, Sergio Martino, William Witney, Chang Cheh, Jimmy Wang Yu, Jean Luc Godard, Robert Rodriguez, Alex Cox, Larry Cohen, Tobe Hooper.
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Postby Bean on Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:34 pm

George Lucas?? No?? :shock:
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Postby DennisMM on Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:24 pm

Orson Welles, Arthur Penn, Steven Spielberg (sometimes I'm ashamed), Martin Scorsese, Francis Ford Coppola, sometimes Paul Schrader, Christopher Guest, Stanley Kubrick, Clint Eastwood, George Romero, Michael Mann, Ron Howard when he's on form.

There are too many directors whose work I respect to do this. I've never been good with favorites. Ask me for my top ten movies and I'll either struggle for hours or give you twenty right away. Oy.
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Postby Nordling on Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:36 pm

Kurosawa, Spielberg, Truffaut, Hitch, Samuel Fuller, Peckinpah, Michael Curtiz, Billy Wilder, Wes Anderson, Soderbergh, Cameron, Peter Jackson, Sam Raimi...
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Postby burlivesleftnut on Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:21 pm

Wes Anderson is the only guy out there they gets me pumped up.
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Postby John-Locke on Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:20 pm

Stanley Kubrick, Steven Spielberg, Sergio Leone, Steven Soderberg, Sam Peckinpah, Sam Raimi, The Coen Brothers, Alfred Hitchcock, David Lynch, Beat Takesi Kitano, Chan Wook Park, Tsui Hark, Yuen Wo Ping, Robert Zemekis, George Lucas, Joe Dante, John Landis, John Carpenter, Martin Scorsese, David Mamet, Quentin Tarantino, Robert Rodriguez, John Hughes, David Cronenberg, Clive Barker, Bernard Rose, Tony Kaye, Steve Buscemi, Peter Jackson, George Romero, Paul Schrader, Abel Ferrera, Alejandro Jodorowsky, John Frankenheimer, James Cameron, Wes Anderson, Paul Thomas Anderson, Oliver Stone, Walter Hill, Dario Argento, Lucio Fulci, Jan Kounnen, Mathieu Kassovitz, Terry Gilliam, Roger Avary, Christopher Gans, Luc Besson, Brian De Palma, Spike Jonze, Shane Meadows, Danny Boyle, Bryan Singer, Paul Verhoven, Terry Zwigoff, Ang Lee, Trey Parker, Sam Mendes, John McTiernan, Richard Donner, Tim Burton, Peter Weir, Phillip Noyce, Clint Eastwood, George Miller, Curtis Hanson, Ridley Scott, Tony Scott, Doug Liman.

I'm sure I've missed a load off but that was off the top of my head.
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Postby Agent Alonzo on Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:43 am

No mention of Dr Boll?
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Postby evolvingsensblty on Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:48 am

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Postby TonyWilson on Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:37 am

Hal Ashby, Billy Wilder, Stanley Kubrick, George A Romero (for the 3 "of the Dead" films I've seen and especially for Martin), P.T. Anderson, Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorsese, John Woo (HK oeuvre), Michael Mann, Mike Leigh, Ken Loach, Alan Clarke, Lindsay Anderson, Richard Linklater, Luc Besson (he used to be great), Pedro Almoldovar (everyone should love Pedro), Takashi Miike, Peter Jackson (although more for his pre LOTR stuff), John Carpenter, Krzysztof Kieslowski , Peter Weir, Steven Soderbergh.


I've forgotten at least 2 there.


p.s I always wanted use "oeuvrre".
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Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:07 am

Where's a the love, eh?
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Postby PVIII on Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:11 am

No Ingmar Bergman people? C'mooon.

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Postby Pacino86845 on Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:17 am

Ingmar Bergman and... Dino De Laurentiis!!!
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Wong Kar Wai

Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:43 am

Wong Kar Wai, Jim Jarmusch, Miyazaki, Brad Bird, Kiyoshi Kursosawa, Kim Ki Duk, Pen-ek Ratanaruang, Oshii, Mike Leigh, Linklater...just throwing some names up that haven't been previously mentioned.

The worst living directors would be a fun thread here.
Personally, I'm an atheist in the voting booth and a theist in the movie theatre. I separate the morality of religion with the spirituality and solace of it. There is something boring about atheism.
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The Zone's quest to find the Greatest Director (Cagle)

Postby John-Locke on Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:46 pm

LIST AS OF 18:30pm UK Time 29th March

Woody Allen
Pedro Almodóvar
Robert Altman
Ingmar Bergman
Luc Besson
Tim Burton
James Cameron
Frank Capra
Charlie Chaplin
The Coen Brothers
Francis Ford Coppola
David Cronenberg
Brian DePalma
Clint Eastwood
Federico Fellini
John Ford
Samuel Fuller
Terry Gilliam
Jean Luc Goddard
Howard Hawks
Werner Herzog
Alfred Hitchcock
John Huston
Peter Jackson
Jim Jarmusch
Buster Keaton
Takeshi Kitano
Stanley Kubrick
Akira Kurosawa
Fritz Lang
David Lean
Ang Lee
Spike Lee
Sergio Leone
George Lucas
Sidney Lumet
David Lynch
Terrence Malick
Michael Mann
Georges Méliès
F.W. Murnau
Sam Peckinpah
Roman Polanski
Martin Scorsese
Ridley Scott
Steven Spielberg
Quentin Tarantino
Andrei Tarkovsky
François Truffaut
Orson Welles
Billy Wilder
Robert Wise
Wong Kar-Wai
Robert Zemeckis


Now obviously when doing these polls it's very easy to miss peoples favourites off so I want to hear who I'm missing off and why, I'm not just looking for good directors I'm looking for the best of the best, obscure Directors that only you and your chums have ever heard off need not apply, the same goes for directors who are undoubtably great but not on the same level as other directors, although it's always nice to hear what floats your boat.

I suppose the director should have directed a minimum of 5 or so films to qualify, directors like Malick, Mendes, Wes Anderson, PT Anderson etc just haven't made enough yet to be justifyably called the greatest ever.

So who's missing and why do they deserve our votes?

Anyone I've listed you don't think should be on the poll?
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Postby Kilgore on Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:46 pm

What is up with the funky post-order still? Is this a permanent thing? Lord, I'm losing my mind with this....
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Postby John-Locke on Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:52 pm

Kilgore wrote:What about Bob Clark? He made 'A Christmas Story AND 'Porky's'...now that's some range...





Wait, never mind...I think that the Robitussen DM is finally kicking in


I'm going to delete this post because I wont have my thread tarnished with your tomfoolery and hijinks.

Dang this post order thing is annoying.
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Postby Leckomaniac on Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:56 pm

I don't really mean to fuel any debates here...but I mean QT and Peter Jackson up there with Goddard, Bergman, Hitchcock, Kubrik, and the likes...I mean I believe they will get there in time...but I would definitely hesitate to put them in that category at the current moment.

But for the record...as of right now i would vote for Kurosawa or Bergman.
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Postby Brit Pop on Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:56 pm

If your having Tarantino... then you gotta throw Joel Coen into the pot.
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Postby John-Locke on Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:59 pm

See this is why I don't add a poll off the top of my head, "The Coen Brothers" will be added for sure, it'll be interesting to see who votes for them as THE BEST though. Before you say that Joel is credited with Directing out of the two, we all know that is BS and they take different credits to get around the DGA or something.
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Postby John-Locke on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:03 pm

Leckomaniac wrote:I don't really mean to fuel any debates here...but I mean QT and Peter Jackson up there with Goddard, Bergman, Hitchcock, Kubrik, and the likes...I mean I believe they will get there in time...but I would definitely hesitate to put them in that category at the current moment.


True for me but others will disagree I think, some people have a more populist attitude towards cinema.

Dang I'll say it before anyone else but Lynch at least deserves to be on the poll even if Kubrick will get my vote every day of the week.

I predict a close run between Spielberg and Kubrick but we'll see.
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Postby unikrunk on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:03 pm

Add who you want, but Scott gets my vote, for BladeRunner alone.

By no means am I saying he is the best director ever; he is just tops in my world.
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Postby Leckomaniac on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:05 pm

Yeah can't forget about Lynch...

A theatre down the stree from my apt. is doing a Lynch movie marathon this month...so I have gotten to see Blue Velvet, Lost Highway, and Dune up on the big screen again and it just blows my mind.

So I guess for me it would be a five-way split between: Bergman, Hitchcock, Kubrick, Kurosawa, and Lynch.

If I had to vote for just one...I'd go with Bergman probably.
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Postby MasterWhedon on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:06 pm

Michael Mann should be on there.

He's in my top five along with Spielberg, Fincher, Cameron Crowe, and Frank Darabont. (Whedon is pretty much there as well, except that I'll wait to make it "official" until he directs a few more movies.)
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Postby MasterWhedon on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:07 pm

And WTF?!!! NO ELI ROTH?!!
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Postby RockyDennis on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:14 pm

Capra?
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Postby Fried Gold on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:18 pm

Directors who I think should be there:

Peter Hyams
Robert Zemeckis

Maybes:

Bryan Singer
Frank Darabont
Danny Boyle
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Postby John-Locke on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:19 pm

MasterWhedon wrote:Michael Mann should be on there.

He's in my top five along with Spielberg, Fincher, Cameron Crowe, and Frank Darabont. (Whedon is pretty much there as well, except that I'll wait to make it "official" until he directs a few more movies.)


Mann yes

Crowe? Best Director ever? Okay but you best vote for him ;)

Darabont hasn't directed enough films mate unless you count The Woman in the Room and Buried Alive, whats that never heard of them? Me neither, they could have been TV series for all I know, I had to go to IMDB for them. He can't be called the Greatest Director ever for just Shawshank, The Green Mile and The Majestic surely?

Just because someone directed your Favourite film doesn't make them the greatest Director.

JOSS WHEDON? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND? HE'S ONLY DIRECTED ONE FILM.
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Postby raasnio on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:22 pm

Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I would say there's a difference between favorite and best.

For instance, I might think Ridley Scott is the best as he has alot of talent and has been around for a long time, but select Guillermo del Toro as my favorite because he makes the films I most want to see.

I agree that 'best' directors should be those who have been around long enough to show they aren't 'one hit wonders'.
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Postby Leckomaniac on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:23 pm

Scorcese!!! Great addition tapehead...very good indeed.
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Postby raasnio on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:25 pm

John-Locke wrote:No you are not splitting hairs, there is a big difference and I just edited the thread name before I even read your post.

GREATEST DIRECTOR EVER?

Just to make that clear.


Sweet. 8)
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Postby tapehead on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:25 pm

scorcese
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Postby Fried Gold on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:25 pm

raasnio wrote:Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I would say there's a difference between favorite and best.

I agree that 'best' directors should be those who have been around long enough to show they aren't 'one hit wonders'.


Absolutely. It can be tough to make the effort to differentiate though.

If we take it truly as "greatest", I think some of those names can come off the list already.
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Postby Leckomaniac on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:26 pm

Ok this post jumping is really starting to aggrevate me...its making it so hard to follow things around here.
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Postby MasterWhedon on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:27 pm

John-Locke wrote:
MasterWhedon wrote:Mich ael Mann should be on there.

He's in my top five along with Spielberg, Fincher, Cameron Crowe, and Frank Darabont. (Whedon is pretty much there as well, except that I'll wait to make it "official" until he directs a few more movies.)


Mann yes

Crowe? Best Director ever? Okay but you best vote for him ;)

Darabont hasn't directed enough films mate unless you count The Woman in the Room and Buried Alive, whats that never heard of them? Me neither, they could have been TV series for all I know, I had to go to IMDB for them. He can't be called the Greatest Director ever for just Shawshank, The Green Mile and The Majestic surely?

Just because someone directed your Favourite film doesn't make them the greatest Director.

JOSS WHEDON? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND? HE'S ONLY DIRECTED ONE FILM.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Dude, I was only suggesting Mann. I was just saying the others are my personal favorites.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Postby MasterWhedon on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:27 pm

raasnio wrote:Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I would say there's a difference between favorite and best.

For instance, I might think Ridley Scott is the best as he has alot of talent and has been around for a long time, but select Guillermo del Toro as my favorite because he makes the films I most want to see.

I agree that 'best' directors should be those who have been around long enough to show they aren't 'one hit wonders'.

I absolutely agree with you. That's why at the end of the year, I make a list for my ten favorite films of the year, never the ten "best". I'm not as interested in where a film will fall in the course of history as I am in whether or not it moves me. I feel exactly the same about directors and writers.
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Postby John-Locke on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:28 pm

raasnio wrote:Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I would say there's a difference between favorite and best.

For instance, I might think Ridley Scott is the best as he has alot of talent and has been around for a long time, but select Guillermo del Toro as my favorite because he makes the films I most want to see.

I agree that 'best' directors should be those who have been around long enough to show they aren't 'one hit wonders'.


No you are not splitting hairs, there is a big difference and I just edited the thread name before I even read your post.

GREATEST DIRECTOR EVER?

Just to make that clear.
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Postby Leckomaniac on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:31 pm

Yeah the whole best v. favorite thing is so subjective.

I mean how to you quantify "best" in terms of art? I mean do you just go by what is widely accepted?

I like to stick with "favorite" because it takes into consideration the fact that there is such a difference of opinion when any art form is involved.
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Postby unikrunk on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:33 pm

John-Locke wrote:
raasnio wrote:Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I would say there's a difference between favorite and best.

For instance, I might think Ridley Scott is the best as he has alot of talent and has been around for a long time, but select Guillermo del Toro as my favorite because he makes the films I most want to see.

I agree that 'best' directors should be those who have been around long enough to show they aren't 'one hit wonders'.


No you are not splitting hairs, there is a big difference and I just edited the thread name before I even read your post.

GREATEST DIRECTOR EVER?



Just to make that clear.


Shit, then I am changing my vote to Federico Fellini.
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Postby raasnio on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:36 pm

Looking at that list:

Peter Jackson
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Postby wonkabar on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:40 pm

Nice list, but where is John Huston? I agree with Locke on this one. Kubrick...no doubts
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Postby John-Locke on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:41 pm

Man this is getting confusing.

Anyway for me the Director I think is the Greatest ever is the same as my Favourite, Stanley Kubrick.

Try and think along those lines.

I don't want to make this too complicated even if I have already muddied the water myself by not being clear myself because I didn't think of the difference immediately.

Who needs to come off the list then?
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Postby unikrunk on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:41 pm

John-Locke, we must add Fellini
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Postby Leckomaniac on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:41 pm

Fritz Lang is a great addition tapehead...and also a great list...but Soderbeg?
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Postby tapehead on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:42 pm

steven soderberg

francois truffaut

fritz lang

cecil b

luis bunuel

orson

fellini

chaplin

-dont want to make the contenders all from the last thirty years necessarily
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Postby Kilgore on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:44 pm

Well...since the tomfoolery and hijinks have been ruled out (what happened to you anyway, Locke? Burl leaves and you're angry? You coulda been something, man, you coulda been a contender!)

I vote Scorcese...I don't know that Fincher really belongs on the list, yet, and outside of SW, Lucas really hasn't shown much, IMO, so I'd take him off too...

For the sake of career longevity and the fact that they each have a particular audience of loyal followers who think they are the be-all-end-all, John Waters and Hal Hartley might be considered as well.
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Postby John-Locke on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:46 pm

unikrunk wrote:
John-Locke wrote:
raasnio wrote: Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I would say there's a difference between favorite and best.

For instance, I might think Ridley Scott is the best as he has alot of talent and has been around for a long time, but select Guillermo del Toro as my favorite because he makes the films I most want to see.

I agree that 'best' directors should be those who have been around long enough to show they aren't 'one hit wonders'.


No you are not splitting hairs, there is a big difference and I just edited the thread name before I even read your post.

GREATEST DIRECTOR EVER?

Just to make that clear.


Shit, then I am changing my vote to Federico Fellini.


Why is that then? Why is he the greatest ever in your opinion?

Lets just debate the whole goddamn thing, why is he greater than Scott for you? Is Cinema about Art or Entertainment or do the truly greats manage to accomplish both?
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Postby MasterWhedon on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:52 pm

People, we can't put every "great" director whose ever made movies on the list! We're going to end up with a shitload of people nominated and it'll STILL come down to Kubrick vs. Spielberg!!

Fellini will get two, maybe three votes. Mark my words.
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Postby unikrunk on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:57 pm

John-Locke wrote:
unikrunk wrote:
John-Locke wrote:
raasnio wrote: Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I would say there's a difference between favorite and best.

For instance, I might think Ridley Scott is the best as he has alot of talent and has been around for a long time, but select Guillermo del Toro as my favorite because he makes the films I most want to see.

I agree that 'best' directors should be those who have been around long enough to show they aren't 'one hit wonders'.


No you are not splitting hairs, there is a big difference and I just edited the thread name before I even read your post.

GREATEST DIRECTOR EVER?

Just to make that clear.


Shit, then I am changing my vote to Federico Fellini.


Why is that then? Why is he the greatest ever in your opinion?

Lets just debate the whole goddamn thing, why is he greater than Scott for you? Is Cinema about Art or Entertainment or do the truly greats manage to accomplish both?


Very good question! Ridley is my favorite because I enjoy his movies more than any other director, well, not all of his movies, but most. Scott’s films are like comfort food for me; I really enjoy his use of space. He creates such depth to his shots by filling the air with pollen or dust or falling flowers.

Fellini, IMHO, is the greatest director of all time. He was the greatest innovator, and took film to a new level. He challenged his audience, and has influenced the tone of many of the other directors on this list.

To address your query regarding the nature of cinema; it is about many things, art, entertainment, escapism, and pure pop-corn fun. I think the greats accomplish the first two. Fellini’s films are both entertaining and artistic. And I mean ‘real’ art, not a 15 year old writing poetry and claiming its art because it is expression.

/expression does not constitute artistic validity.
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Postby John-Locke on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:57 pm

Kilgore wrote:Well...since the tomfoolery and hijinks have been ruled out (what happened to you anyway, Locke? Burl leaves and you're angry? You coulda been something, man, you coulda been a contender!)

I vote Scorcese...I don't know that Fincher really belongs on the list, yet, and outside of SW, Lucas really hasn't shown much, IMO, so I'd take him off too...

For the sake of career longevity and the fact that they each have a particular audience of loyal followers who think they are the be-all-end-all, John Waters and Hal Hartley might be considered as well.


Hey I just wanted to say tomfoolery and hijinks, I hope I'm not coming across as an angry beaver, I'm just trying to have some fun.

I'll be honest and say I've never seen a Hal Hartley film, mind telling me why I should track down some of his films?

I'm a big John Waters fan but unless other chime in with the same I don't think he belongs on the list myself.

David Cronenberg anyone?
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Postby John-Locke on Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:11 pm

Have we covered all the truly greats you think?

Do Lucas, Fincher, Lee, Tarantino, Kitano etc deserve to be on there?

I'm going to bed now, I'll add the poll tomorrow and then someone will chime in with a glaringly obvious Director that deserves to be on there.

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