THE FILMS OF OLIVER STONE

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Whats Your Favorite Oliver Stone Film?

Platoon
8
36%
Salvador
2
9%
Wall Street
2
9%
Talk Radio
1
5%
Born on The 4th of July
0
No votes
The Doors
0
No votes
JFK
6
27%
Natural Born Killers
3
14%
Nixon
0
No votes
Alexander
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 22

THE FILMS OF OLIVER STONE

Postby WinslowLeach on Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:23 pm

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Heres the place to discuss the films of Oliver Stone. Stone is one of the most controversial American filmmakers. His ideas and subjects range from War (Platoon/Salvador/Heaven and Earth) to Rock Stars (The Doors) to Conspracies & Corruption (JFK/Wall Street/Nixon) to Violence in Society (Talk Radio/Natural Born Killers) to Mythic Legends (Alexander).

Hes also written/co-written some classic screenplays for films including: Brian DePalma's Scarface, Midnight Express and Conan The Barbarian among others.[/img]
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Postby PVIII on Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:27 pm

Where's Any Given Sunday at? :lol: Platoon/ JFK for me.

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Postby MasterWhedon on Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:29 pm

I actually dislike Oliver Stone quite a bit. He's too heavy-handed for me, and this from the guy who LOVES the "Spielberg moments" that make everyone else groan.

That said, JFK is a brilliantly-made movie. F-in' Robert Richardson's cinematography is great. Those overblown whites are the coolest.

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Postby John-Locke on Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:30 pm

Right I voted for Platoon, but I just realised that I'm still yet to see either Wall Street or Talk Radio, i'll go and hang my head in shame now.
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Postby thomasgaffney on Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:33 pm

Wall Street was great, but my vote still points to Platoon.
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Postby WinslowLeach on Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:34 pm

I left out his crappier ones like U Turn, Any Given Sunday. I wanted to focus on the more controversial ones.

I'm not a big Stone fan really, but I just thought I'd see what everyone thought about his films.
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Postby thomasgaffney on Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:37 pm

I never saw Salvador (anyone care to offer opinions?) but I heard that it was a great, James Woods' best performance.
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Postby burlivesleftnut on Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:43 pm

Wall Street all the way, baby. This movie still makes wood and I was only like 14 when it came out.
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Postby WinslowLeach on Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:48 pm

The only Stone films I havent seen are Seizure, Heaven and Earth and Alexander.

My favorites are: Platoon, Salvador, Wall Street, Talk Radio, Born on The 4th, The Doors, JFK.

I voted for Wall Street because "Greed is Good" 8) Platoon is up there too.
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Postby John-Locke on Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:53 pm

What about that God awful film with Micheal Caine "The Hand", my god that film was shite, I've never even heard of Seizure before, I'm going over to IMDB and see what else I didn't know.
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Postby WinslowLeach on Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:03 pm

Yeah I saw The Hand too. It was pretty bad. I was gonna put it on the poll, but I figured Id just cover his most popular films.

The Doors was a film I really loved when it came out in 1991. At the time I was a huge Jim Morrison fan. I read alot of the books on him and stuff. Now I hardly listen to The Doors anymore. I sorta lost my taste for their stuff.
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Postby Maui on Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:49 pm

Platoon with JFK a close second.

I remember going to see Platoon in the theatre with my Mom and Dad. The acting, the direction, the powerful music - by far one of the top 10 war movies of all time.
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Postby tapehead on Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:27 pm

Platoon made me cry, although, like Apocalypse Now and All Quiet on the Western Front and as opposed to The Eagle Has Landed and the Dirty Dozen I count it as an Anti-War movie - JFK made me bored.

Loved Salvador, NBK and Alexander too.
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Postby Cha-Ka Khan on Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:05 pm

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Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:12 am

Part of me thinks that Stone was better off earlier in his career when his style of films were a lot more simple. Not just the camera work, editing, but the story and the subtler acting of his performers.

Salvador and Platoon we're talking about here. Now he seems to have too much to show us and he can't fit it into a longer movie so he has to hit it with us as much as he can all in one second. Dizzying camera work, light speed editing, people shouting over each other, dialogue that goes on for ages and ages after we've got the point. I'm not just talking about Alexander but Heaven and Earth also, a movie that just would never ever END with it's voice overs reeling off trying to tell us more and more even after we've reached the point of saturation and have already gotten a certain message and just don't have room for anymore at that point.

I think that Olly reached his peak and the correct level of story telling complexity and punctuation with Born on the Fourth of July and JFK, another of my two favourites. I love Born with it's sweeping John Williams music, epic feel, and Tom Cruise wonderfully being as big as he can be onscreen, not going too OTT since he and Olly had so much identification and love for the real life Ron Kovic.

JFK was the ultimate in big movie/docu style editing and camera work, all clicking in fast electrifyingly with some superpumping Williams music again, making you feel like you was watching an actual action movie.

Thing is, it all wasn't too MUCH with these films. JFK with all it's hyperkineticsm was just at the right level and even felt restrained a lot of the time. It was after this I think that Stone went too mad and crazy with his film making tools. I have yet to see Nixon, though I heard it was here were the over obsession started.

It's Stones outright screaming of blame at people that always takes us aback, blaming the government so often. Sometimes these attacks are admirable, sometimes crude, sometimes questionable, but I guess with my limited political knowledge or care, that somewhere in all of that screaming chaos he may be right some of the times at least. I feel the most uncomfortable maybe, with nakedly showing all of the human crimes and outright evils that went on with his grunts in Platoon. Murdering villagers and even each other. Who does he hold ultimately responsible for this? The military goverment might that sent kids deemed to young to fight, or the soldiers themselves?
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Postby doglips on Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:05 am

Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:JFK was the ultimate in big movie/docu style editing and camera work, all clicking in fast electrifyingly with some superpumping Williams music again, making you feel like you was watching an actual action movie.


I've only seen JFK once, on original release in the cinema and whilst it is a great movie I wouldn't associate it with the word action - I mean my main memory of it is that my ass nearly fell off towards the end - it's a slow burning meandering piece and it needed to be, Stone and Costner really get across the zeitgeist, the paranoia onscreen washing over you, hypnotising you into staying still for another hour, lol.

Costners best performance? I think so. I'm gonna have to watch it again, like Whedon says above, good looking film.
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Postby HollywoodBabylon on Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:23 am

Salvador gets my vote. A really committed work that didn't descend into the rash, sometimes half-baked polemics that's slightly marred some of his later films for me. I've mixed views about Stone, to be honest. I don't doubt his sincerity nor his bravery for putting his balls on the line in order to make the contentious movies that he does. But sometimes (not often) he tends to let his polemical side run riot to the point where it becomes pontification. And the storytelling aspect of his pictures suffer as a result IMHO.
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Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:23 am

I think JFK is maybe Costner's best too. Certainly the deepest. The way his words crumble and his voice breaks, heh he even starts crying in his big speech in the end, which all must be natural and unintended. Heh, someone just as intelligent made a similar speech about the Zone here, a day or so ago, who can it be I wonder?

I meant that the film was so exciting that it felt like you were watching an action film. All that adrenalin and fast speed to it. Really QUICK. Or like me having sex or a porn fi..... never mind.

So difficult mind, that whereas his defiance of the magic bullet and instead HIS own theory of multiple gunmen in Dallas is sooo convincing, so too is that recent documentary on TV that totally bullshitted everything that Costner's Garrison said and just as believable supported the magic bullet theory.

Gave me a headache even without this magic.

Salvador too I wanna see again. True, in many ways it might be his best. Simple and blunt but tragic.
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Postby so sorry on Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:19 am

Hmm, I missed this poll when it first came out...

So I voted for Platoon. Not a big fan of Stone, so I haven't seen all of those films listed.
NBK made me want to puke, I fucking hated it.
Wallstreet ooozed of 80s goodness, but outside of the hardcore Geeko scenes, was a pretty standard/stupid story.
I liked Born on the 4th of July a lot.

And I hope Charlie Sheen still sends a christmas present to Stone for allowing that dipship to have a career.
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Postby monorail77 on Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:28 pm

Where's "The Hand"? Micheal Caine and a murderous human hand? Cinema gold!!
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Postby Fievel on Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:35 pm

JFK got my vote.
When this movie hit the video stores way back when, my dad picked it up. I believe it was the first movie that I saw to really make me think. And I mean REALLY think. I appreciate Stone and the film for making me do that. Unfortunately, I really haven't cared for too much else that he's done.
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Postby thebostonlocksmith on Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:36 pm

I went with JFK, not that it's the best film ever made, just because it was the one i most enjoyed...

I was still rather young when i watched it and i remember feeling like i was somehow a little more grown up for being allowed to watch it for its 'uneducational' properties more then it's educational ones...
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Postby TonyWilson on Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:43 pm

I've got a soft spot for Nixon. But I'd have to say Platoon and Salvador are about equal for me. JFK is very good but I find it a long haul after the first couple of viewings.
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Postby monorail77 on Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:12 pm

I also voted for JFK. Very enjoyable film. NBK is pretty trippy and I recall being very impressd by it when it came out. Haven't seen it since, though, so can't really say.

I'm actually surprised how many Stone films I haven't yet seen, or have only seen part of. Oh well, it'll be loads of fun correcting that.


I still say "The Hand" is the finest piece of cinema ever created, "hands" down. Ho Ho. Stone even makes a cameo as a bum. Brilliant!!
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Re: THE FILMS OF OLIVER STONE

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Postby tony-montana on Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:49 am

WinslowLeach wrote:I left out his crappier ones like U Turn, Any Given Sunday. I wanted to focus on the more controversial ones.

I'm not a big Stone fan really, but I just thought I'd see what everyone thought about his films.


I'm a bit baffled by the lack of love for Any Given Sunday, I for one really enjoyed it. I wouldn't say it's a great movie, or Stone's best, but I think atleast among football movies it's noteworthy.
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Re: THE FILMS OF OLIVER STONE

Postby Spandau Belly on Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:28 am

On some sort of whim I decided to rent SAVAGES. It was uneven at best. It revolves around two California drug lords who live in a harmonious threeway relationship, sharing the same woman. A Mexican cartel abducts that woman to muscle these guys into submission and the two American dudes must turn the tables on them to get her back. Stone doesn't seem to make up his mind as to what kind of movie he is making. Sometimes it seems like he thinks he's making something really profound, like an Y TU MAMA TAMBIEN type picture but Blake Lively's hippie babblings fail to resonate. The film even very briefly addresses that these two guys may be in love with each other, but then instantly shrugs it off. Other times it feels like more of a Guy Ritchie type of wacky crime comedy with various gang factions all bouncing off each other. Travolta's character is especially hammy as comic relief and feels like he's from another movie (and that movie would be DOMINO). There aren't enough twists or colourful characters or lively exchanges to make it entertaining as a Guy Ritchie thing. In the end, it ends up feeling like a polygamous version of a TAKEN movie or something. It all looks very nice, but it fails to cross the finish line.


Anyway, I hadn't noticed this Oliver Stone thread until now. I don't think he's completely washed up, and I'm willing to believe he can still make a good movie. But like most guys whose breakthrough film was in the 70s or 80s, Stone's best days are behind him. I put my vote in for TALK RADIO as his best film (as director). I know Bogosian's script and performance do most of the heavy lifting, but Stone's direction bring good pace and atmosphere. That's a great little movie.
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