The Zone's Greatest Female Director (Now w/ Poll!!!)

Which director made the best films, made the best visuals, or smelled the best? This is the forum to find out.

Greatest Female Director? (in order appearing in thread)

Mary Harron
2
7%
Jane Campion
0
No votes
Deepa Mehta
0
No votes
Katheryn Bigelow
4
13%
Leni Riefenstahl
3
10%
Sophia Coppola
5
17%
Jennifer Lynch
0
No votes
Alison Anders
0
No votes
Lynne Ramsay
1
3%
Samira Makhmalbaf
0
No votes
Penny Marshall
3
10%
Penelope Spheeris
0
No votes
Amy Heckerling
3
10%
Barbara Peeters
0
No votes
Doris Wishman
0
No votes
Nora Ephron
0
No votes
Cate Shortland
0
No votes
Niki Caro
0
No votes
Gurinder Chadha
1
3%
Agnes Varda
0
No votes
Maya Deren
0
No votes
Catherine Breilliat
2
7%
Lina Wertmuller
0
No votes
Nicole Holofcener
0
No votes
Kathryn Bigelow
1
3%
Mimi Leder
1
3%
Sally Potter
0
No votes
Mira Nair
0
No votes
Sarah Polley
1
3%
Ida Lupino
1
3%
Elaine May
1
3%
Julie Delpy
0
No votes
Julie Taymor
1
3%
 
Total votes : 30

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Postby havocSchultz on Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:03 pm

betty thomas: private parts, dr. doolittle (remake), I, Spy (remake)... ok... maybe not...

and take mehta off the list... bollywood hollywood was just pretencious and boring... kinda like her others... IMO...


ETA: damn - i accidently listed deep impact as one of Thomas' films... i sooo spaced on the fact that it was Mimi Leder...i'm a d00ch...
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Postby magicmonkey on Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:05 pm

You know the score. I gotta be fair to the opposite sex and present their own unique poll of their own. There ain't many of 'em :( , but thrilled us they have.

I'll add a poll later, leaving this open to suggestions.

I'll start with;

Mary Harron - American Pyscho, Who shot Andy Warhol
Jane Campion - The Piano, Angel at my Table, In the Cut
Deepa Mehta - Fire, Earth
Katheryn Bigelow - Strange days, Point Break , Near Dark
Leni Riefenstahl - Triumph of the Willems
Sophia Coppola - Lost in translation, The Virgin Suicides
Jennifer Lynch - Boxing Helena
Alison Anders - Gas, Food Lodgings , Four Rooms
Lynne Ramsay (my own personal fave) - Morvern Callar, Ratcatcher
Samira Makhmalbaf - Apple, Blackboards

Any suggestions? Who did I miss?
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Postby Flumm on Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:24 pm

I hate to admitt I haven't seen most of those films.

From what I have seen, I would have to say Jane Campion, MM. From the films you listed, as well as Portrait of a Lady, an equally as strange, yet striking movie. Kind of obvious choices, but I would say that she occupies the same sort of terratory as Kubrick or Fincher... She genuinely is a first rate director from what I've seen of her work.

Although I loved Morvern Callar too.

Sophia Coppolla may well blossom into someone really gifted, but I would reserve judgement for now. Her films are kind of ethereal and whimsical, so it's hard for me to judge how much of that is style and how much of that is her making choices about trying to infuse atmosphere or meaning.



Ohn and for a fairly long time, I used to think Carol Reed was a woman... :o
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Postby WinslowLeach on Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:24 pm

I thought Carol Reed was a girl too! I think Harry was the one who told me "Thats a guy!" haha.

Some others I thought of:

Penny Marshall, Penelope Spheeris, Amy Heckerling, Barbara Peeters, Doris Wishman...
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Postby The Ginger Man on Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:27 pm

What? No Nora Ephron?!?!


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Postby John-Locke on Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:32 pm

Rebecca Miller?

Not seen any of her films but she is the daughter of Arthur Miller.
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Postby athenabodicea on Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:32 pm

What about Penny Marshall...????


Big (I met her while she was scouting the amusement park I worked at for the scene where Tom Hanks makes his wish)
Awakenings
A League of their Own
Jumping Jack Flash
Riding in Cars with Boys

EDIT: forgot
Preacher's Wife
Renaissance Man
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Postby tapehead on Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:50 pm

I enjoy a cigar as much as the next schmoe, but
'Triumph of the Willems'?

Hello? Amy Heckerling?

Cate Shortland (Australian director whose previous credits include "Secret Life of Us") - released her 2nd feature "Somersault' in 2004 which earned her a whole lotta indie cred.

Niki Caro - kiwi who directed "Whalerider" in '02, for which Keisha Castle-Hughes was nominated for best actress at the '04 Oscars, and last year directed Charlize Theron in "North Country"

two I thought of straight away but I can't readily think of others... Asia Argento (Dario's superhot daughter who was in 'Land of the Dead') has 'Scarlett Diva' and a few more I think...
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Postby Ribbons on Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:14 pm

What's the name of the director who did Bend It Like Beckham and Bride & Prejudice?
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Postby tapehead on Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:19 pm

Gurinder Chadha
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Postby Ribbons on Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:20 pm

Yeah, her. If Sophia Coppola's eligible after having done two films, I'd say that Chadha is eligible as well. Not sure if I'd vote for her though.
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Postby unikrunk on Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:37 pm

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Re: The Zones Greatest Female Director

Postby Theta on Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:35 pm

magicmonkey wrote:Mary Harron - American Pyscho, Who shot Andy Warhol
Jane Campion - The Piano, Angel at my Table, In the Cut
Deepa Mehta - Fire, Earth
Katheryn Bigelow - Strange days, Point Break , After Dark
Leni Riefenstahl - Triumph of the Willems
Sophia Coppola - Lost in translation, The Virgin Suicides
Jennifer Lynch - Boxing Helena
Alison Anders - Gas, Food Lodgings , Four Rooms
Lynne Ramsay (my own personal fave) - Morvern Callar, Ratcatcher
Samira Makhmalbaf - Apple, Blackboards


Okay...were I running this, I'd strike Harron; she's misandrist and has yet to make a quality film. Ditto Bigelow; she hasn't really made a great film, and Lynch, because "Boxing Helena" really sucks (I'd love to know why women think men want a woman with no limbs. This seems to be a common misconception among feminists.) Anders hasn't really done anything relevant.

Thumbs up on Ramsay, though.

Agnes Varda (member of the French New Wave "Cleo From 9 to 5", "Vagabond") should be on there. Maya Deren, even though she only made abstract works. Catherine Breilliat ("Romance", "Sex Is Comedy") is a pretty interesting director. Lina Wertmuller ("Seven Beauties", the original "Swept Away") is important and needs to be in the poll. Even though I think she's overrated, I will hold my nose and say Nicole Holofcener deserves a slot. Clare Denis is well in the running (who made the first sensitive art film about cannibals, "Trouble Every Day")
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Postby jgraphix on Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:38 pm

Boxing Helena is a wierd sick and enjoyable movie. She's almost like a female Takashi Miike.
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Postby Vegeta on Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:42 pm

Alot of female porn stars direct their own films, Ooops, wrong thread :oops: :twisted:

edit: totally kidding people
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Postby jgraphix on Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:43 pm

Wait! There's a porn thread!? Y'all been holding out on me!
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Postby havocSchultz on Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:33 pm

ummm....Theta - Kathryn Bigelow directed Near Dark... which maybe not "brilliant" is still one of the best fucking vampire films out there... and an honourable mention goes out to Point Break and Strange Days... both fun - and - on initial viewing - would appear to be "directed by a man" with all the misogny running around in those films... still - she's a crack action director - male or female...
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Postby Brocktune on Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:46 pm

unikrunk wrote:Leni Riefenstahl



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Postby magicmonkey on Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:10 pm

athenabodicea wrote:What about Penny Marshall...????


Big (I met her while she was scouting the amusement park I worked at for the scene where Tom Hanks makes his wish)
Awakenings
A League of their Own
Jumping Jack Flash
Riding in Cars with Boys

EDIT: forgot
Preacher's Wife
Renaissance Man


Penny Marshal, she's earnt her place in my geek heart and now a place on this poll.
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Postby havocSchultz on Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:28 pm

John-Locke wrote:
havocSchultz wrote:ummm....Theta - Kathryn Bigelow directed Near Dark... which maybe not "brilliant" is still one of the best fucking vampire films out there... and an honourable mention goes out to Point Break and Strange Days... both fun - and - on initial viewing - would appear to be "directed by a man" with all the misogny running around in those films... still - she's a crack action director - male or female...


I think the point is that Cameron was more than a little responsible for those films successes, maybe not so much Near Dark but I think his influence was strong despite his lack of an official credit, I could be wrong but I'm sure on the DVD there is something about how he made that film happen in some capacity. Also note the casting that made the film what it is, no less than 3 stars from her then husbands latest movie Aliens and the cinematographer from Terminator (Adam Greenberg who funnily enough is credited with cinematographer on "Snakes on a Muthafuckin Plane") to give it that James Cameron look.

I'm probably being too harsh and she is a great director for sure but it's still worth saying I think.


no - i agree with you - but from what i've heard - it takes a very strong and talented women just to be able to put up with cameron... nonetheless - she still rocks hard in my opinion...
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Postby John-Locke on Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:30 pm

havocSchultz wrote:ummm....Theta - Kathryn Bigelow directed Near Dark... which maybe not "brilliant" is still one of the best fucking vampire films out there... and an honourable mention goes out to Point Break and Strange Days... both fun - and - on initial viewing - would appear to be "directed by a man" with all the misogny running around in those films... still - she's a crack action director - male or female...


I think the point is that Cameron was more than a little responsible for those films successes, maybe not so much Near Dark but I think his influence was strong despite his lack of an official credit, I could be wrong but I'm sure on the DVD there is something about how he made that film happen in some capacity. Also note the casting that made the film what it is, no less than 3 stars from her then husbands latest movie Aliens and the cinematographer from Terminator (Adam Greenberg who funnily enough is credited with cinematographer on "Snakes on a Muthafuckin Plane") to give it that James Cameron look.

I'm probably being too harsh and she is a great director for sure but it's still worth saying I think.
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Postby Theta on Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:39 pm

havocSchultz wrote:ummm....Theta - Kathryn Bigelow directed Near Dark... which maybe not "brilliant" is still one of the best fucking vampire films out there...


I honestly think it's got an inflated reputation. There are some good setpieces and she is a good action director, but I don't think it quite works. There's more in the way of interesting ideas than there is acting on said interesting ideas, put it that way.
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Postby DennisMM on Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:41 pm

What about Lina Wertmüller? She's made her share of dogs (but has made nearly 30 films) and was the first woman ever nominated for a Best Director Oscar.
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Postby havocSchultz on Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:42 pm

Theta wrote:
havocSchultz wrote:ummm....Theta - Kathryn Bigelow directed Near Dark... which maybe not "brilliant" is still one of the best fucking vampire films out there...


I honestly think it's got an inflated reputation. There are some good setpieces and she is a good action director, but I don't think it quite works. There's more in the way of interesting ideas than there is acting on said interesting ideas, put it that way.


ya - but name a vampire movie that is 100% perfect - as opposed to being quite a few good ideas being executed quite well...

in that respect - i think near dark is "brilliant" in the fact that it was kinda unique - enjoyable - and fairly well thought out... compared to say something like Underworld or The forsaken...etc...
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Postby DennisMM on Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:48 pm

Personally, I first saw it as "The Lost Boys hit the road". I've come to appreciate it more.
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Postby brendonconnelly on Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:55 pm

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Postby John-Locke on Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:56 pm

Theta wrote:
havocSchultz wrote:ummm....Theta - Kathryn Bigelow directed Near Dark... which maybe not "brilliant" is still one of the best fucking vampire films out there...


I honestly think it's got an inflated reputation. There are some good setpieces and she is a good action director, but I don't think it quite works. There's more in the way of interesting ideas than there is acting on said interesting ideas, put it that way.


Sweet Jeebus dude what DO you like?

Near Dark is more of a Western than a Vampire film structurally anyway, it's low budget and accomplished a lot considering.

Name some better Vampire films as thats what you seem to be arguing.

What has reputation got to do with delivering the goods if you like the film? So maybe some people who have never seen it would hear it's good and repeat that information only to finally see the film and be dissapointed, I remember catching it on Cable when I was just 10 years old and being blown away, whenever I could catch it on TV before I got the DVD I'd watch it and enjoy it. Maybe after seeing it again on DVD five years or so after last seeing the film it had aged a little more than I'd have liked but who other than a few Directors like dare I say it Kubrick has the budget and know how to make truly timeless works? Doesn't mean that the things that made it good when it was made are no longer valid does it?

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Postby havocSchultz on Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:59 pm

John-Locke wrote:
Theta wrote:
havocSchultz wrote:ummm....Theta - Kathryn Bigelow directed Near Dark... which maybe not "brilliant" is still one of the best fucking vampire films out there...


I honestly think it's got an inflated reputation. There are some good setpieces and she is a good action director, but I don't think it quite works. There's more in the way of interesting ideas than there is acting on said interesting ideas, put it that way.


Sweet Jeebus dude what DO you like?

Near Dark is more of a Western than a Vampire film structurally anyway, it's low budget and accomplished a lot considering.

Name some better Vampire films as thats what you seem to be arguing.

What has reputation got to do with delivering the goods if you like the film? So maybe some people who have never seen it would hear it's good and repeat that information only to finally see the film and be dissapointed, I remember catching it on Cable when I was just 10 years old and being blown away, whenever I could catch it on TV before I got the DVD I'd watch it and enjoy it. Maybe after seeing it again on DVD five years or so after last seeing the film it had aged a little more than I'd have liked but who other than a few Directors like dare I say it Kubrick has the budget and know how to make truly timeless works? Doesn't mean that the things that made it good when it was made are no longer valid does it?

Reputation is nothing compared to actual appreciation.


ya... and the bar scene is the chickens nuts yo!!!!!

i don't know - i - like Locke - remember seeing it as a younglin - and loving the fuck out of it - i got the special edition dvd when it came out - and still enjoyed it - in a nostalgic way - no - it's not timeless - not the best damn thing out there - but it's fun - and i do think it's a dman fine vampire film - for a male director or a female director...
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Postby DennisMM on Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:04 pm

I'd like to see Bigelow handle some non-genre material before I declare her one of the finest female directors.
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Postby havocSchultz on Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:05 pm

DennisMM wrote:I'd like to see Bigelow handle some non-genre material before I declare her one of the finest female directors.


i understand that - but i thikn it kinda adds to her coolness or "great female director" status that she's one of the few to actually get herself into the "boys' game" and do reasonably well in it - not just make coming of age dramas and rom-coms like so many of her contempories feel the need to do...

check out her list of credits:
BIGELOW

edit: The Weight of Water from a few years ago was probably one of her least genre films - more of a dramatic thriller...

edit again: and she's actually kinda fucking hot too!!!!! :D
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Postby magicmonkey on Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:10 pm

I gotta admit I like Strange Days, there I said it, its really not that bad. It has some very interesting themes of memory and loss that are handled well - without pretension, also Angela BAsset plays a total badass in it.
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Postby John-Locke on Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:17 pm

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Postby magicmonkey on Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:39 pm

Arg, forgot Amy Heckerling... (I'm a) Loser, Clueless, Fast Times at Ridgemont High and National Lampoons European Vacation.
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Postby Theta on Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:56 am

John-Locke wrote:
Sweet Jeebus dude what DO you like?


I like sex. A lot.

Seriously, I do actually have a sense of humor. Somewhere.

I think.


The fact that you're the second person to ask me that question on this forum is kind of troubling.
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Postby RogueScribner on Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:56 am

What? No mention of Mimi Leder? I mean, she's not my favorite or anything, but she's done some notable films.

There's also Gillian Armstrong, Martha Coolidge, Susan Seidelman, Penelope Spheeris, and Barbara Streisand.

I'll also mention Jodie Foster, but she's only directed two films thus far, so there's not much to gauge.

Out of everyone I'm aware of, I'd have to go with Penny Marshall and Amy Heckerling. They've done a lot and most of what they've done is good entertainment. Marshall seems to have lost her mojo post-A League of Their Own, however.

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Postby Carolian on Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:54 am

I, too, feel kind of like an asshole for not having seen most of these films. Between this and the Greatest Director thread, I feel like a complete film illiterate.

Of the choices lifted, I guess I'd choose Sofia Coppola--I adore both films she's directed, even though there seems to have been a hell of a backlash toward LOST IN TRANSLATION.

And I will defend STRANGE DAYS to the death. I fuckin' love that movie. Unironically.
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Postby athenabodicea on Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:16 am

Ok...
All I have to say is that Havoc's av is REALLY scary in a curiously disturbing sort of way... :shock:


And how come nobody has any Penny Marshall love???
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Postby havocSchultz on Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:30 am

athenabodicea wrote:Ok...
All I have to say is that Havoc's av is REALLY scary in a curiously disturbing sort of way... :shock:




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Postby thomasgaffney on Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:31 am

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Postby unikrunk on Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:01 am

Brocktune wrote:
unikrunk wrote:Leni Riefenstahl



HAHAHAHAHAHA!


Hey, she was the most gifted director of her time; gender is not even part of the equation. Unfortunately she, >cough<, had bad judgment in her subject matter.

/not like she had much of a choice, but still....
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Postby Peven on Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:48 am

magicmonkey wrote:I gotta admit I like Strange Days, there I said it, its really not that bad. It has some very interesting themes of memory and loss that are handled well - without pretension, also Angela BAsset plays a total badass in it.


i dig "Strange Days", and i'm not ashamed to admit it, lol. a fun movie with a few cool ideas, and Angela Bassett as hot and badass as ever in it. would be a good first half of a drive-in double feature, followed up by "Escape From New York".
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Postby unikrunk on Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:37 pm

The fact that we have a separate thread for female directors is bothering me; I would put any of these women up against anyone in the ‘boys club’ greatest directors thread.

It is further testament to our patriarchal society, and it just rubs me the wrong way.
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Postby ThisIsTheGirl on Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:38 pm

I'd add Agnes Varda, and everything I've seen Mary Harron do has been pretty cool (although it's mainly TV stuff - does that count?)
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Postby Pacino86845 on Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:42 pm

I think women are great, and they should continue to make films. :wink:
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Postby Nachokoolaid on Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:35 pm

For some reason, I just don't put any women directors on par with the greats. I see them more as "working" directors that just get the job done, a la Brett Ratner. Weird.
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Postby judderman on Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:53 pm

Someone has to mention Sally "Nutcase" Potter. "Orlando" may have been a complete trip, but it was a very good flick

And Mira Nair, the director of Monsoon Wedding and Mississippi Masala.
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Postby Theta on Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:12 pm

Nachokoolaid wrote:For some reason, I just don't put any women directors on par with the greats. I see them more as "working" directors that just get the job done, a la Brett Ratner. Weird.


I think it's just a matter of time. Part of the problem is feminist film critics insist on celebrating ANY woman who makes a film, meaning we have to hear about Dorothy Arzner as if she were anything other than Henry Hathaway with ovaries.

Another part of it is that increasingly women are going for the roles "above" directors. They're producing, or they're executives; that's generally where I read about women in the film industry. A director in a Hollywood studio is essentially a middle manager, and I can understand that not holding a huge amount of appeal.
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Postby Nachokoolaid on Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:49 pm

I think history plays a role too. Look at how long men have been directing. How long have women been directing? As time passes, I think their films will be in the public eye a bit more, and be more accepted.
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Postby LaDracul on Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:18 am

Tamara Davis.

Why?

"Billy Madison".

We can so forget about "Crossroads", though.
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