The Anti-Pixar League vs. The Anti-Anti-Pixar League

Anime, cartoons and 3D. Animated shorts and features. And don't forget the animation genius in Bulgaria.

Whose side are you on?

The Anti-Pixar League
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The Anti-Anti-Pixar League
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(in a whiny, girly voice) I like Dreamworks!
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Postby AtomicHyperbole on Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:07 pm

Chairman Kaga wrote:Do people think Cars was designed solely to tap into the NASCAR market? You do know it's based off three of Lasseter's favorite WB cartoons, right?


Who cares? Nothing is truly original. It's what you do with what you've created that counts. A lot of what Pixar has done references some real old cartoons... remember the crusher bit in Monsters Inc? You may recall a certain WB toon with a bulldog and a kitten where the animation is exactly the same... :)
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Postby MasterWhedon on Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:09 pm

PIXAR WAR: I'M WITH LADY SHERIDAN

I can't support you on Van Helsing (seriously, WTF?), but I'm all about everything Pixar has done. Finding Nemo was an absolute gem, the best thing they'd done to that point, and the fact that The Incredibles raised the bar even higher is a testament to their commitment to quality storytelling.

I don't think Cars looks nearly as good as the last two, but I'm betting it'll still be a better, more "cared about" film than 90% of the other stuff out there.
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Postby Brocktune on Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:10 pm

you know if you rub a dvd copy of "The Incredibles" on a leper, it will heal them.
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Postby Chairman Kaga on Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:11 pm

AtomicHyperbole wrote:
Chairman Kaga wrote:Do people think Cars was designed solely to tap into the NASCAR market? You do know it's based off three of Lasseter's favorite WB cartoons, right?


Who cares? Nothing is truly original. It's what you do with what you've created that counts. A lot of what Pixar has done references some real old cartoons... remember the crusher bit in Monsters Inc? You may recall a certain WB toon with a bulldog and a kitten where the animation is exactly the same... :)


AH back off a minute. I'm in no way ignorant of what influences the company. I am stating that Cars harkens back to three great Tex Avery toons (I can only remember two of the titles: One Cab's Family and Little Johnny Jet) because Lasseter is a fan not because, as some people have stated in this thread, that PIXAR is trying to cash in on the popularity of NASCAR and designed the movie solely in focus groups. Please see my previous posts.
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Postby AtomicHyperbole on Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:16 pm

I don't need to back off, fella, I'm not on! Sorry I got you wrong. Wait till you see what I've got planned... ;)
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Postby Chairman Kaga on Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:22 pm

Uh-Oh...
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Postby Lady Sheridan on Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:29 pm

MasterWhedon wrote:PIXAR WAR: I'M WITH LADY SHERIDAN

I can't support you on Van Helsing (seriously, WTF?), but I'm all about everything Pixar has done. Finding Nemo was an absolute gem, the best thing they'd done to that point, and the fact that The Incredibles raised the bar even higher is a testament to their commitment to quality storytelling.


Hooray! More love for the not-funny clownfish! 8)

I'm not proud of the Van Helsing thing, really. It's that same guilty feeling I get when I eat at McDonalds...I know I shouldn't, but I do anyway. :?
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Postby MasterWhedon on Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:31 pm

Brocktune wrote:you know if you rub a dvd copy of "The Incredibles" on a leper, it will heal them.

It's the magical healing properties of the Hundred Mile Dash.
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Postby AtomicHyperbole on Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:59 pm

PIXAR PRESENTS

TOILETS!
Directed by Twat Turd
Written by ZombieZoneSolutions

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Postby MasterWhedon on Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:02 pm

I'm a big fan of Twat Turd's.
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Postby AtomicHyperbole on Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:03 pm

I dunno, he plagiarises other peoples ideas...
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Postby ZombieZoneSolutions on Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:04 pm

AtomicHyperbole wrote:PIXAR PRESENTS

TOILETS!
Directed by Twat Turd
Written by ZombieZoneSolutions

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Ha ha! Awesome! Thats pretty much exactly how I envisioned it!
Fantastic work, my friend...

(Hey, wanna make a movie???)
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Postby AtomicHyperbole on Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:21 pm

I happen to think that's a fantastic idea for a film as long as you parody without being too referential! :D There's a market for cult adult animation.
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Postby Brocktune on Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:36 pm

MasterWhedon wrote:I'm a big fan of Twat Turd's.


i dont know, dude.

i mean, i really like some of his earlier stuff. but his later work smacks too much of crass commercialism for me
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Postby AtomicHyperbole on Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:38 pm

I think he's been scraping the bottom of the bowl for too long.
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Postby Seppuku on Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:11 pm

AtomicHyperbole wrote:I think he's been scraping the bottom of the bowl for too long.


Toilets has now got the perfect tagline [in so many ways].
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Postby Carolian on Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:06 pm

Just to clarify, I wouldn't call myself "anti-Pixar" or "pro-Pixar". I mean, it's an animation studio-type-thingy, so I don't really want to "take sides" or anything of that bizarre nature. After all, blind loyalty's what started the Crusades! Ha ha ha!



...Anyway, yeah, I admit that I'm kind of uncomfortable with the very idea of hating/loving a studio/corporation to the point of not understanding your opposite numbers. It's just like the Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo fanboys blasting each other over intangibles.

I mean, I actually <i>like</i> Pixar most of the time, and am interested in seeing more info on their next film after CARS, but... they aren't the next step of human evolution.
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Postby MasterWhedon on Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:14 pm

POLL HAS BEEN ADDED!!

LET'S SETTLE THIS!!
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Postby Flumm on Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:21 pm

Brocktune wrote:
MasterWhedon wrote:I'm a big fan of Twat Turd's.


i dont know, dude.

i mean, i really like some of his earlier stuff. but his later work smacks too much of crass commercialism for me


I dunno, I think he drops some heavy stuff, but well, his constant cameos as "Sweetcorn Sam" always seem completely redundant...
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Postby Seppuku on Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:25 pm

If you vote for the Anti-Anti Pixar League that automatically makes you a 12 year old and you wanna marry Dakota Fanning when you both grow up and you wanna have a lifetime's supply of gum and you think it'd be total coolness if Dennis the Mennis were real because that way you could join up with him and do some cool pranks involving whoopie cushions to all the toffs.
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Postby King Of Nowhere on Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:27 pm

i see it as this , DREAMWORKS took what pixar had started & pissed all over it .

I'm not saying that pixar invented the type of film , but the style of it !

plus , if you look at it , the animation hasn't got much better than "monsters inc." , the hairs on the characters in that movie must have took a lot more time to animate than the whole of "Madagascar" or whatever the fuck it was called
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Postby Shane on Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:49 pm

Wow finally an origional idea.

Ratatoolleeeee

A cartoon mouse....

Aardman isn't doing that right now.

mickey, tom and jerry, American Tale, I mean who heard of a cartoon mouse movie.



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Postby ZombieZoneSolutions on Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:11 pm

I think you should add an 'ambivalent' option; for those of us who are neither pro- nor anti- Pixar.
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Postby MasterWhedon on Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:14 pm

ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:I think you should add an 'ambivalent' option; for those of us who are neither pro- nor anti- Pixar.

That would be the final option, pussy boy!!

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Postby Shane on Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:19 pm

Wow, this has become a great big horrible beast.
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Postby King Of Nowhere on Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:21 pm

Shane wrote:Wow, this has become a great big horrible beast.


horrible beast , just like dreamworks SKG .

is it skg ?

i know its spielberg & geffen , who is the K ?
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Postby ZombieZoneSolutions on Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:23 pm

MasterWhedon wrote:
ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:I think you should add an 'ambivalent' option; for those of us who are neither pro- nor anti- Pixar.

That would be the final option, pussy boy!!

:twisted:


Hey, who you callin' pussy, one eye?! Why don't you go cry about yr
'dead' girlfriend some more! No wonder she's all about the Wolverine!

(Oh no he didn't! Daaaaamn.) :P :wink:
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Postby Brocktune on Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:25 pm

it warms my heart to see that no one loves dreamworks.
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Postby AtomicHyperbole on Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:36 pm

K is Katzenberg.

I don't mind Dreamworks or Blue Sky, they're harmless. Robots had some crass jokes, but it was very inventive visually. Not to fond of Madagascar... Shark Tale was horrible... Ice Age was great, don't know about the second. Shrek's 1+2 were quite funny and have proved to have better legs than they should. Not to fond of Disney's in-house offerings so far, although Rapunzal looks like it may turn into something quite special from what I've seen.

Generally, save for the lurid Shark Tale, the design work is always quite nice by these studios. I quite liked some of the simplicity of Madagascar, even if it was a bit videogamey in places, and Chicken Little has some of the best 3D character animation so far. Antz still holds up today, mainly through being quite dark and having some really snide humour... plus some lovely characterisation. Dreamworks should really delve back into what made that movie
such a solid experience that didn't feel like a cynical cash in. Trust me, I know of Dreamworks artists, and they quite rightly defend their work. The only thing I feel the art is being wasted on so-so projects.

The only problem is that many of the animated US films outside of Disney/Pixar feel very lowest-common-denominator. I see some dislike I really can't chime with in this thread. Finding Nemo had a lot of warmth, Monsters Inc was beautifully funny and inventive, The Incredibles was full of bounce and imagination, ditto The Toy Story's, A Bugs Life wasn't THAT bad (c'mon, it was charming)... their shorts are second to none. They're at the top of their game and its sad to see them pidgeonholed in this forum in such a crass fashion. Even if you don't like some of their films, you've got to show respect for the long story gestation, the commitment to perfecting and crafting their projects and the love that goes into them...

... as for Cars, I hardly think the reasoning put forward was anything but cynical nonsense. These people spend YEARS devoting script and storyboard time before production, and that's what makes them the giants others seem to stand on the shoulders of.
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Postby MasterWhedon on Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:02 pm

ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:Hey, who you callin' pussy, one eye?! Why don't you go cry about yr
'dead' girlfriend some more! No wonder she's all about the Wolverine!

(Oh no he didn't! Daaaaamn.) :P :wink:

X3 Zombie Phoenix Jean has turned me against all of your kind!!


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Postby King Of Nowhere on Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:09 pm

MasterWhedon wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!


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Postby Coldfire24 on Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:13 pm

So when do you guys think we'll get a quality adult oriented computer animated film with a wide release.
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Postby King Of Nowhere on Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:17 pm

final fantasy : the spirit within ?
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Postby Coldfire24 on Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:18 pm

Coldfire24 wrote:So when do you guys think we'll get a quality adult oriented computer animated film with a wide release.
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Postby Shane on Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:20 pm

Coldfire24 wrote:So when do you guys think we'll get a quality adult oriented computer animated film with a wide release.


Barbie does Legoland

Hmmm the best toy story yet complete with billy doll.
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Postby King Of Nowhere on Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:22 pm

Coldfire24 wrote:
Coldfire24 wrote:So when do you guys think we'll get a quality adult oriented computer animated film with a wide release.


they animated the south park movie on computers
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Postby Shane on Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:24 pm

king_of_nowhere wrote:
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Coldfire24 wrote:So when do you guys think we'll get a quality adult oriented computer animated film with a wide release.


they animated the south park movie on computers


and that had cock











I've never seen cock in a pixar movie
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Postby King Of Nowhere on Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:26 pm

well to be fair , tom hanks was in pixar's films
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Postby Coldfire24 on Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:26 pm

Don't be facetious we all know what I meant.
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Postby King Of Nowhere on Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:28 pm

Coldfire24 wrote:Don't be facetious we all know what I meant.


dictionary.com wrote:facetious \fuh-SEE-shuhs\, adjective:
1. Given to jesting; playfully jocular.
2. Amusing; intended to be humorous; not serious
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Postby Shane on Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:29 pm

Coldfire24 wrote:Don't be facetious we all know what I meant.


all seriousness, |I do agree.
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Postby Fried Gold on Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:31 pm

I don't really like Toy Story. It was something of a pioneer, but I've just never been that amazed by the story. I did like Finding Nemo. It drew me in. As did A Bugs Life. Maybe it's a thing about nature, I don't know. The Incredibles was pretty good too.

To conlude, I'm not a fan of Pixar in that I WILL LIKE everything they produce just because it's Pixar but I do acknowedge that they have made some decent stand out films.


And it's not Pixar but, Ice Age 2 signalled the death of narrative storytelling in western cinema.
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Postby Coldfire24 on Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:32 pm

I'm sorry KON I was actually looking for an opinion on this.
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Postby ZombieZoneSolutions on Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:32 pm

MasterWhedon wrote:
ZombieZoneSolutio ns wrote:Hey, who you callin' pussy, one eye?! Why don't you go cry about yr
'dead' girlfriend some more! No wonder she's all about the Wolverine!

(Oh no he didn't! Daaaaamn.) :P :wink:

X3 Zombie Phoenix Jean has turned me against all of your kind!!


Prepare for you destruction!!!


...while I go have a beer and celebrate the weekend.


What's that? No beer?!


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!


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Darth Sidious / Emperor Palps: It seems in your alchoholism, you drank it.

Darth Whedon: All of it?! But I couldn't have!!! I felt the keg! It was alive!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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Postby Roybertito on Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:07 pm

Sign me up for the Anti-Anti.

I love everything Pixar's done... except maybe Bug's Life, which I liked, but didn't love.

Nemo was awesome. What's up with all the Nemo hate around here? I really liked Nemo.

I'm seeing Cars tonight, and from what I here, it's on-par with Bug's Life, so it's not their best, although I do like how Ratattouie looks, and it's being directed by f*cking Brad Bird, so it's gonna be GREAT.

Here's hoping I come back with an ecstatic Cars review, as I'm leaving in 30 minutes.
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Postby MasterWhedon on Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:35 pm

ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:Darth Whedon: What happen to my beer? Is it... alright?

Darth Sidious / Emperor Palps: It seems in your alchoholism, you drank it.

Darth Whedon: All of it?! But I couldn't have!!! I felt the keg! It was alive!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Congrats on Toshiro, Zombie!!!
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Postby Brocktune on Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:42 pm

Coldfire24 wrote:So when do you guys think we'll get a quality adult oriented computer animated film with a wide release.


check this

or maybe this

or maybe possibly this

oh, you said with a wide release.

hmmm a quality adult oriented computer animated film with a wide release.

im thinking never. at least not here in the states.

disclaimer: the above links may or may not be completely computer animated.
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Postby Fievel on Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:08 pm

king_of_nowhere wrote:final fantasy : the spirit within ?


Talk about a beautiful letdown!! That movie, the technology used, and the hype surrounding it.... should have at least had a decent plot!!!!

I guess that's more of what I was thinking of when I meant a more serious/sci-fi/fantasy movie. And I agree that since Pixar has built itself as family-friendly that it wouldn't make sense for them to do so. But you'd think that SOMEONE would. I guess cloning each other's ideas is more fun for them.
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Postby Chairman Kaga on Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:26 pm

I saw Cars tonight and I think it had a more adult story than I expected (not in a violent or sexually explicit way). Simply the idea of vanity/ego seems a little more intelligent then the usual "does not fit in/outsider" kid's story of something like Chicken Little. I would rate it better then A Bug's Life and Toy Story about on par with Monsters Inc and Nemo but not as good as Toy Story 2 or The Incredibles....though the Ratzenberger-centric jokes at the end are great stuff. I had forgotten that Joe Ranft died...:(

I look forward to Ratatouille and trying to compare it to Mickey Mouse is daft.
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Postby RogueScribner on Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:30 am

seppukudkurosawa wrote:If you vote for the Anti-Anti Pixar League that automatically makes you a 12 year old and you wanna marry Dakota Fanning when you both grow up and you wanna have a lifetime's supply of gum and you think it'd be total coolness if Dennis the Mennis were real because that way you could join up with him and do some cool pranks involving whoopie cushions to all the toffs.
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