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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:01 pm
by Lord Voldemoo
Unfortunately, Maui, you may have to wait for DVD...of course i'm sure there are...slightly less legal...versions out on the internets already.

Given its ratings, I'd be surprised if they didn't actually re-air it.

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See look what you all have done. You are just encouraging the manatees!...

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:06 pm
by Maui
Nordling wrote:Apparently Lucasfilm told them to cut down on the incest Luke/Leia jokes. And with Leia being Luke's, erm, mom, in this... I could see their point.



They had some funny Luke/Leia bits on the Robot Chicken's Star Wars special. That was Adult Swim though - they have a little more room I would imagine. Fox seems to be rather uptight!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:19 pm
by Fawst
R O F L!!! I'm about 15 minutes in, and I'm DYING!!! "Hey, why would you hang that up, it looks so tantalizing!" Fucking high-larious!!!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:23 pm
by MasterWhedon

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:24 pm
by Ribbons
I don't think ESB is as ripe for poking fun at as A New Hope is, but if it's what people want, more power to them, I guess.

Most of the character connections match up pretty well, but they're just going to have to go with Stewie being Chris' father. Although I don't think there's any real way to make them all correspond exactly.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:29 pm
by MasterWhedon
Who's gonna be Lando?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:31 pm
by Ribbons
MasterWhedon wrote:Who's gonna be Lando?


Oh snaps, good point. Cleveland's wife?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:33 pm
by Lord Voldemoo
Ribbons wrote:
MasterWhedon wrote:Who's gonna be Lando?


Oh snaps, good point. Cleveland's wife?


heheheh, Cleveland would be the obvious choice, but he's taken as R2D2...with Lando's "smooth guy" persona, though, Quagmire would be funnier...but he's taken too. They may have to juggle the roles a little.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:36 pm
by Fievel
Ribbons wrote:I don't think ESB is as ripe for poking fun at as A New Hope is, but if it's what people want, more power to them, I guess.

Most of the character connections match up pretty well, but they're just going to have to go with Stewie being Chris' father. Although I don't think there's any real way to make them all correspond exactly.


I think there's plenty to be found in ESB for the Family Guy crew. I mean, they made me laugh with a joke about McMillan & Wife before.... I think they can make me laugh with ESB.
Tauntauns & the Wampa - funny shit there.
Dagobah/Yoda - PLENTY of opportunity.
Cloud City - not a lot there, except Lando
Luke & Vader - TONS of opportunity.

Joe needs a part. I was sad that he wasn't in the episode last night. If Peter's father or Mr. Weed were still alive, they could be characters, too. Cleveland's wife is another possible player.

Who would play:
-Lando
-Emperor
-Boba Fett
-Lobot

I'm sure Meg could easily be recast as an Ugnaught.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:40 pm
by Maui
MasterWhedon wrote:Quickly! Before it's gone!

Part One

Part Two

Part Three

Part Four

Part Five



Oh this is good! Stewie as Vader! hahahah

Merci for the links!! :)

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:24 pm
by Maui
That was very funny!

The old pervert as Obi Wan doing the Dirty Dancing.

Magic Johnson...

Macys/JcPenny map....

The fighter flying to rap music...

Lots of good chuckles!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:00 pm
by LaDracul
Hyperspace being the Tom Baker years opening credits of "Dr. Who"...fucking brilliant.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:04 pm
by bluebottle
Man, I don't want to get into a TB'er type rant, and stick with the "No Hate Debate" mantra on which the Zone was founded BUT:

What is the deal with this show? I've never found it funny, and I just watched the Star Wars episode... It's nothing but a truncated version of the first movie, with a bunch of lame "references" (they're not jokes) thrown throughout... It's not parody (this is closer to Epic Movie than Airplane) it's just cheap. A ten year old could write this stuff (this is below the manatees at this point).

Am I alone on this?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:11 pm
by darkjedijaina
Bluebottle wrote:Man, I don't want to get into a TB'er type rant, and stick with the "No Hate Debate" mantra on which the Zone was founded BUT:

What is the deal with this show? I've never found it funny, and I just watched the Star Wars episode... It's nothing but a truncated version of the first movie, with a bunch of lame "references" (they're not jokes) thrown throughout... It's not parody (this is closer to Epic Movie than Airplane) it's just cheap. A ten year old could write this stuff (this is below the manatees at this point).

Am I alone on this?


Heh. Yeah, I've never actually watched a full episode of this show, as the previews and stuff that I've seen before never really appealed to me much. I just watched this, thanks to the links provided above, but I didn't really find it to be all that humorous. I mean, I smiled a bit at some things...but perhaps you have to be a fan of the show to really get it? I dunno.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:18 pm
by Keepcoolbutcare
Bluebottle wrote:Am I alone on this?


i haven't (and won't) see this, but you're not alone in that very apt description of FG.

that's Family Guy, not Fried Gold.

'cuz he's WAY funnier than the show.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:19 pm
by DennisMM
This morning I was going to ask what is supposed to be funny about Family Guy, but I didn't want to look like a hater. Now I can admit I'm a hater. I'm not. I just didn't laugh at what I've seen of the show and don't understand its appeal to a large audience - certainly not its appeal to such a large audience that they seem to have cloned FG into the very little I've seen of American Dad.

The animation on the space ships was pretty good, but I'm assuming most of that was roto work.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:19 pm
by Maui
Boo Hiss to all of you!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted:

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:23 pm
by DennisMM
Isn't Stewie basically The Brain?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:25 pm
by Chairman Kaga
DennisMM wrote:Isn't Stewie basically The Brain?

Not really. Early on they played up Stewie wanting to rule the world etc but that's been gone for a while.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:27 pm
by DennisMM
That's how long it's been since I watched the show.

And with that I will no longer dump on the program.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:30 pm
by Maui
American Dad is funny too - same creator.

Anyone like that? :shock:

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:31 pm
by bluebottle
I just feel like a lot of Family Guy's "jokes" are mean spirited (besides the fact that they aren't actually jokes).

They tend to make fun of the stuff that's easy to make fun of.

South Park, The Simpsons, Venture Brothers - they make fun of authority, absurdities, hypocrisies...

Family Guy makes fun of cripples and retards. It makes fun of stuff that's way too easy a target.

Like, South Park uses a cripple to make fun of the way people react/treat/behave towards/around a cripple. While Family Guy makes fun of the cripple.

It's not that it's "not" funny (humor is subjective) it's just that it feels cheap and easy.

I don't even want to get into the references, because that's just lame on top of lame.

Feel free to debate me on this, because frankly, I feel like the Zone has fallen into the "David Cassidy Fan Club" and no one wants to admit they don't like something, or argue about it, because they'll get flamed as being a "hater".

Bring IT!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:34 pm
by Maui
What's wrong with David Cassidy? hmmmmmmmmmm?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:40 pm
by The Todd
Just watched this. The first 15 minutes or so have some laughs. After that, it went downhill fast.

"It's the ship the made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs"

"Isn't a parsec a measure of distance?"

Funniest line in the show.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:51 pm
by Maui
I dunno, I don't think Family Guy is any different than South Park or Simpsons. They all have their fair share of making fun of this and that - beit race, religion, politics, and/or celebrity mocking. I don't think the delivery in Family Guy is more mean spirited.

My 2 cents - if it's Canadian, its par with US now! ;)

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:09 pm
by Fievel
Bluebottle wrote:I just feel like a lot of Family Guy's "jokes" are mean spirited (besides the fact that they aren't actually jokes).

They tend to make fun of the stuff that's easy to make fun of.

South Park, The Simpsons, Venture Brothers - they make fun of authority, absurdities, hypocrisies...

Family Guy makes fun of cripples and retards. It makes fun of stuff that's way too easy a target.

Like, South Park uses a cripple to make fun of the way people react/treat/behave towards/around a cripple. While Family Guy makes fun of the cripple.

It's not that it's "not" funny (humor is subjective) it's just that it feels cheap and easy.

I don't even want to get into the references, because that's just lame on top of lame.

Feel free to debate me on this, because frankly, I feel like the Zone has fallen into the "David Cassidy Fan Club" and no one wants to admit they don't like something, or argue about it, because they'll get flamed as being a "hater".

Bring IT!


Wow.
I'd say that South Park is 10 times as mean-spirited than Family Guy ever was. Case in point - the Christopher Reeve episode. I used to be a huge South Park fan, but gradually stopped watching. Now I just can't watch it.
Obviously, it's all about personal tastes... but that doesn't make for a good argument now, does it?

And Family Guy.... Dude should have died on a plane on 9/11, but he overslept and missed the flight. If you hate Family Guy, you hate democracy!!!!!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:13 pm
by Chairman Kaga
Bluebottle wrote: I feel like the Zone has fallen into the "David Cassidy Fan Club" and no one wants to admit they don't like something, or argue about it, because they'll get flamed as being a "hater".

Are you serious? I've seen just the opposite. It seems The Zone is gradually becoming as full of vitriol and venom as the TBs.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:19 pm
by Ribbons
I actually subscribe to the camp that older episodes of "Family Guy" were good (but not the really old ones) but that it's sort of... callous ever since it was revived. In fact it kind of makes me afeard that my beloved "Futurama" will have undergone a similar transformation during its hiatus.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:20 pm
by Bob Samonkey
Fawst wrote:Can anyone confirm for me that Coach McGuirk of Home Movies fame was actually sitting in the cantina scene? Cuz that's badass if it's true.


Yeah that was him...

I thought that was a weird place to put him...

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:21 pm
by Maui
Ribbons wrote:I actually subscribe to the camp that older episodes of "Family Guy" were good (but not the really old ones) but that it's sort of... callous ever since it was revived. In fact it kind of makes me afeard that my beloved "Futurama" will have undergone a similar transformation during its hiatus.


Well see I watched Family Guy years ago too - so I am more familiar with the earlier episodes as well.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:25 pm
by Bob Samonkey
Chairman Kaga wrote:
Bluebottle wrote: I feel like the Zone has fallen into the "David Cassidy Fan Club" and no one wants to admit they don't like something, or argue about it, because they'll get flamed as being a "hater".

Are you serious? I've seen just the opposite. It seems The Zone is gradually becoming as full of vitriol and venom as the TBs.


I hate both of you guys!! And the dog you rode in on...





















































































































Oh and :wink:

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:26 pm
by Keepcoolbutcare
Chairman Kaga wrote:Are you serious? I've seen just the opposite. It seems The Zone is gradually becoming as full of vitriol and venom as the TBs.


that statement puts the re in ALF!

go animate some beavers you no talent h@ck, closest thing you'll get to vagina in your sorry, pathetic existence!

/irony.

no, but really, now, you jest?

I thought you didn't even read the TB's, so how would you know?

when's the last time we had a major blow up in here? Been awhile, far as I can recall. And if you consider the Zone to be a virtual on-line family (like I do), then getting all belligerent and airing grievances every once in a while is not only cathartic, it's fun!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:29 pm
by Fievel
Keepcoolbutcare wrote:when's the last time we had a major blow up in here? Been awhile, far as I can recall. And if you consider the Zone to be a virtual on-line family (like I do), then getting all belligerent and airing grievances every once in a while is not only cathartic, it's fun!


Last major blowup I remember is the Grindhouse debacle.
Famous Zone Blowups.... someone start the thread!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:30 pm
by tapehead
Ribbons wrote:I actually subscribe to the camp that older episodes of "Family Guy" were good (but not the really old ones) but that it's sort of... callous ever since it was revived. In fact it kind of makes me afeard that my beloved "Futurama" will have undergone a similar transformation during its hiatus.


I'm going to pretend you didn't say that - and it's our beloved Futurama...

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:37 pm
by Lord Voldemoo
Keepcoolbutcare wrote:
when's the last time we had a major blow up in here? Been awhile, far as I can recall. And if you consider the Zone to be a virtual on-line family (like I do), then getting all belligerent and airing grievances every once in a while is not only cathartic, it's fun!


it was like a week ago...OH you mean other than amongst the mods.

:wink:

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:17 pm
by bluebottle
Chairman Kaga wrote:
Bluebottle wrote: I feel like the Zone has fallen into the "David Cassidy Fan Club" and no one wants to admit they don't like something, or argue about it, because they'll get flamed as being a "hater".

Are you serious? I've seen just the opposite. It seems The Zone is gradually becoming as full of vitriol and venom as the TBs.


If it's happening here, then I've missed it.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:23 pm
by Vegeta
For the most part Family Guy stopped being funny when I stopped smoking weed. I am not saying that Family Guy fans are drug addicts or anything... that's just when the shine came off the apple for me.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:29 pm
by bluebottle
Fievel wrote:Wow.
I'd say that South Park is 10 times as mean-spirited than Family Guy ever was. Case in point - the Christopher Reeve episode. I used to be a huge South Park fan, but gradually stopped watching. Now I just can't watch it.
Obviously, it's all about personal tastes... but that doesn't make for a good argument now, does it?


No, I think you're right, in a sense.

I think that when South Park wants to be mean, they can be mean as hell. Like, an unholy kind of mean. When they made fun of Sally Struthers, they weren't making fun of anything other than the fact that Sally Struthers is studly and tries to help the poor.

I'm not sure what I'm trying to say.

I guess it's that Family Guy is mean spirited, but lacks any kind of substance to it. It's shallow, the jokes are mostly pop culture references, and it's mean spirited, yet it lacks satire.

South Park is all of those things, but manages to have a satirical edge. When it goes for the lowest common denominator, that's usually part of the joke. They freely admit that they're being mean for the sake of mean. At least more recently, in the Sally Struthers case, it was just mean.

(I think South Park has actually gotten funnier and more pointed, and I agree that the first three years of Family Guy were better than they are now)

Does that make sense, or am I digging my own grave?

I don't want this to turn into a South Park vs. Family guy debate (which will be my fault if it does) that plagues the TB's, so I apologize for this...

As for personal taste. I agree that we can't debate that, but there's nothing wrong with "I like the show because of this" and "I don't like the show because of that" kind of discussion, is there? It might ultimately boil down to personal taste, but that's what this is all about, isn't it?

As long as we don't get into any kind of, "well, if you don't like it, you're an idiot" kind of thing, then we're safe from turning into the TB's.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:44 pm
by Maui
I don't think it's a South Park vs Family Guy debate - I just don't think one is better than the other or more politically correct. I think they have both been equally tacky and tasteless in many areas. Similar to the EFBR ;) ;)

Thing is, what's funny to some of us - isn't funny to others. Strikes a different chord is all.

I found the Scientology episodes hilarious (re. South Park) - with Tom Cruise not coming out of the closet, whereas I knew other peeps didn't think it was so funny. Chef sure didn't think it was funny, did he?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:55 pm
by bluebottle
Maui wrote:I don't think it's a South Park vs Family Guy debate - I just don't think one is better than the other or more politically correct. I think they have both been equally tacky and tasteless in many areas. Similar to the EFBR ;) ;)


You know what it is? It's like, Family Guy goes for the nuts, while South Park goes for the throat.

I found the Scientology episodes hilarious (re. South Park) - with Tom Cruise not coming out of the closet, whereas I knew other peeps didn't think it was so funny. Chef sure didn't think it was funny, did he?


Maybe what I find funny about South Park is what some people find offensive. While what some people find funny about Family Guy, is the stuff I feel is cheep.

Is anyone truly offended by Family Guy? Or is it more of a "groan" kind of offensive.

Is the random "that was worse than the time Mr. T. did my tax return only to have me audited by the Kool-Aide guy" type jokes what everyone loves about the show?

What is it that people find so hilarious about the show?

I'm asking in total sincerity.

And I don't think any less of anyone for liking the show. My girlfriend likes it, she just can't tell me why.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:58 pm
by The Todd
Bluebottle wrote:Is the random "that was worse than the time Mr. T. did my tax return only to have me audited by the Kool-Aide guy" type jokes what everyone loves about the show?


Sometimes they are hilarious. (when Peter plays the piano and Stewie says "Now play the walking-away music from the end of the Incredible Hulk" - Funny) Other times they are there just to be there. Those times are not funny.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:02 am
by bluebottle
Right... Maybe they just seem forced after a while...

I remember one where Spiderman saves Peter from falling off the roof of his house, and Peter says, "You saved me, Spiderman!" and Spiderman goes, "Everybody gets one" and swings off.

I laughed out loud at that.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:24 am
by Maui
Or this?

Image

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:28 am
by Vegeta
One of the annoying joke styles of Family Guy is the "overdoing the joke". Examples:

Stewie to Brian "...so how's you're novel coming?"
Peter hits his shin "SHHHHHHH, AHHHHHHHH!"
Peter in Line behind Robert Logia "R is for Robert Logia"
Joe crying at the Drunken clam while the rest of the group slowly slinks out of the picture.

And far too many others to count. Some are funny, some are painful. Most become painful after one veiwing. They seem to toss one of these "seemingly uncomfortable enlongated one punch line jokes" into every episode. It's just a "meh" concept to me, considering many are more than a minute or two long. It's like lazy writing or something, like they don't have enough jokes for a full episode, so they draw out one or two jokes to like a two or three minute stretches each.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:31 am
by Maui
One thing I know for sure that I always liked about Family Guy - is all the 80's references. They will throw in a Chuckwagon commercial, brady bunch reference, etc. - and I just found that very amusing.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:39 am
by Ribbons
Vegeta wrote:One of the annoying joke styles of Family Guy is the "overdoing the joke". Examples:

Stewie to Brian "...so how's you're novel coming?"
Peter hits his shin "SHHHHHHH, AHHHHHHHH!"
Peter in Line behind Robert Logia "R is for Robert Logia"
Joe crying at the Drunken clam while the rest of the group slowly slinks out of the picture.


Chicken fight... :wink:

The visual gag where Joe started sobbing uncontrollably and the rest of the group slithered out of the booth cracked me up, actually. Especially when Peter came back for the beer. But I do know what you mean. I think you can tell when those kinds of jokes are forced or not. Like they're trying to reverse-engineer an awesomely awkwardly long moment, if that makes sense. Those are usually the ones that don't work.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:41 am
by tapehead
Ribbons wrote:
Vegeta wrote:One of the annoying joke styles of Family Guy is the "overdoing the joke". Examples:

Stewie to Brian "...so how's you're novel coming?"
Peter hits his shin "SHHHHHHH, AHHHHHHHH!"
Peter in Line behind Robert Logia "R is for Robert Logia"
Joe crying at the Drunken clam while the rest of the group slowly slinks out of the picture.


Chicken fight... :wink:


These are actually some of my favourite Family Guy moments - seriously. They clearly have antecedents in The Simpsons (Homer 'whooping' and doing that lying on the floor, running in circles bit, Ralph Wiggum's 'Duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck...'), but I love these visual gags, and Stewie teasing Brian about his novel is hilarious.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:45 am
by Fievel
Chicken fight was/is great.

The gags mentioned above... again, just personal preference, but I loved all of them (the novel cracked me up). The 70's & 80's pop culture jokes kill me every time. Maybe it's an age thing? Probably not.

I don't think it needs to be a South Park -vs- Family Guy debate either... since Harvey Birdman is half the length and usually kills both in my opinion (although I do miss Stephen Colbert on there).

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:48 am
by Ribbons
tapehead wrote:
Ribbons wrote:
Ve geta wrote:One of the annoying joke styles of Family Guy is the "overdoing the joke". Examples:

Stewie to Brian "...so how's you're novel coming?"
Peter hits his shin "SHHHHHHH, AHHHHHHHH!"
Peter in Line behind Robert Logia "R is for Robert Logia"
Joe crying at the Drunken clam while the rest of the group slowly slinks out of the picture.


Chicken fight... :wink:


These are actually some of my favourite Family Guy moments - seriously.


Hehe, I have to admit, I have a soft spot for the chicken fights as well. The last one was almost 6 minutes long.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:50 am
by Lord Voldemoo
so do i, the more ridiculously long they get, the more i laugh at the chicken fights.