Battleship (seriously, a thread about the movie Battleship)

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Re: YOU SUNK MY BATTLESHIP!!!!!

Postby TheButcher on Mon May 21, 2012 9:47 pm

From VULTURE:
Five Consequences of the Sinking of Battleship
Claude Brodesser-Akner wrote:When a movie as expensive as Battleship fails this spectacularly, there are bound to be ramifications well beyond the home port. Here are five likely ripples from Battleship's sinking. Curiously, not all of them are bad.

1. A cloudier future for the Walt Disney Studios.
Battleship producer Scott Stuber was campaigning hard to run the chairman-less studio. But between this and The Wolfman, that's two $100 million-plus write-downs to Stuber's credit. It would seem an awfully steep climb to convince a studio that just fired chairman Rich Ross because he caused a $200 million loss on John Carter to now take a flyer on the guy who just cost Universal, at our estimation, a $120 million one on Battleship.


2. The implosion of Universal's own executive ranks.
Sources tell me that there's a 95 percent chance that Universal marketing head Josh Goldstine, who was just installed in the job last August, will be fired over this. "Admittedly, it's not his job to make a good movie, but it is his job to open it north of $30 million." said one Universal insider. "Battleship wasn't sold to families, which is curious, given its [PG-13] rating."

Goldstine has overseen the marketing of some recent wins, too — think of both the utterly mediocre but brilliantly sold Safe House and The Lorax — but longtime Universal co-chairs Donna Langley and Adam Fogelson are under pressure themselves. They've been taking meetings at Hollywood talent agencies about new projects with the caveat that "if Battleship worked, they'd be fine, and if it didn't, they'd be fucked," per one insider. Well, we know how that turned out. Langley and Fogelman may be toast anyway, but Hollywood studio protocol dictates that they throw their marketing capo under the bus, regardless of whether they're next.


3. The unlamented end of "Lie Concept" movies.
"High concept" is the Hollywood parlance used to refer to any movie that can be easily described by a succinctly stated premise. (Cujo, for example, was sold as "It's Jaws, with paws.") But in recent years, we've been force-fed "lie concept" movies — movies whose title suggested some sort of brand or hook on which to hang a feature film, but whose utter lack of narrative thread and/or appeal doomed them from the start. Along those lines, over the last couple of years, we've been treated to Marmaduke, MacGruber, Jonah Hex, New Year's Eve, Cowboys & Aliens, and now, Battleship.

"Battleship never got over the whole idea of, 'Really? Come on!' as a judgment against it," said one Universal insider.

Judging by the rapid demise of just about every Hasbro movie in development, it seems clear that the notion of making an expensive film based on a concept that was entertaining in some non-film form might actually be close to dead. Do you hear us, Adam Sandler's Candy Land?


4. From now on, only members of the Billionaire Boys Club will get shoot-for-the-moon budgets.
Peter Jackson. James Cameron. Michael Bay. Robert Zemeckis. Sam Raimi. Gore Verbinski. Christopher Nolan. Ridley Scott. Roland Emmerich. Chris Columbus. Tim Burton.

These are the directors whose films have cracked a billion dollars in grosses, and unfortunately, at any given time, less than half of them are available to shoot your new blockbuster — assuming they'd even want to. This is problematic, because there is a science to gigantic action movies, and without one of these steady hands on the tiller, things get messy, fast.

Consider Battleship: Despite the studio's claim that Battleship cost only $209 million, insiders tell Vulture that with its four weeks of costly reshoots, it actually weighed in at close to $250 million. But let's be woefully credulous for a moment and pretend that Universal was telling the truth when it says that Battleship only cost $209 million. Even still, it's facing, at the minimum, a $120 million loss.

That's because you can confidently add $100 million in marketing costs — figure $50 million domestic, and another $50 to $60 million overseas — to sell the movie worldwide. And then there's the inconvenient truth that theater owners do not work for free. They get paid 45 to 55 percent of the opening weekend's grosses, but sometimes as much as 60 percent of the opening week's grosses overseas.

So, on a $209 million movie that's cost another $100 million to market, has only made $200 million overseas, and will likely top out at $75 million domestically, the math looks like this: $309 million worth of cost, and $275 million in grosses, split roughly in half with exhibitors ($138 million) puts Universal about $170 million in the hole, theatrically. One can safely figure on the film making another $50 million from the sale of rights to pay-per-view, cable, TV, airlines, hotels, and home video, but conservatively, that puts Universal in line to take at least a $120 million loss from Battleship.

We can expect that the next time we see a budget this big, it will likely carry one of the names mentioned above.


5. ... and, perhaps, the Return of the Middle?
We are reminded of M. Night Shyamalan's Signs, and the character played by Joaquin Phoenix, Merrill Hess. A failed minor league ball player with an incredibly powerful swing and five home run records, no one could figure out why Hess never progressed to the majors. The answer, Merrill sheepishly admitted, was that he swung for the fences at every pitch.

This is, of course, how the movie business behaves these days, either bunting or aiming for the grandstands, when what wins you the pennant are modest successes. Ironically enough, this has been the one area where Universal has excelled recently: Contraband — a $25 million movie that's grossed almost $100 million worldwide. Bridesmaids — a $33 million film that's grossed $288 million worldwide. Safe House — an $85 million movie that's grossed just over $200 million worldwide. The Lorax — a $70 million film that's grossed $300 million worldwide.

Does anyone else see a pattern here?

Even before Battleship sank, the repercussions of its expected demise were being felt all over Hollywood. $125 million projects stalled, and producers and directors were given marching orders: cut it down to $85 million, or no picture for you. It would seem that doing more with less isn't just the order of the day — it might be the only way for Hollywood to save itself from itself.
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Re: AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS (Now w/ Never Happening?)

Postby TheBaxter on Tue May 22, 2012 1:29 pm

minstrel wrote:I thought ATMOM just wasn't happening anymore. Might as well discuss a movie that did happen.


things can always change. just because GDT isn't doing it (for now) doesn't mean someone else won't come along who wants to make it. just look at how many times the Dark Tower series has started and stopped and then been taken up by someone completely new (hopefully that will happen at least one more time).

besides, if anyone actually wanted to read about Battleship, how would they know to go into a completely unrelated thread to find news or reviews for it? putting those article in here really does no favors for anyone interested in either of these properties. for people interested in Battleship, that info is hidden in some other random thread they would never think to check, and for people like myself who are only interested in ATMOM, we see the thread bumped repeatedly, only to click on it and get BattleshipRoll'd each time.
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Re: Battleship (seriously, a thread about the movie Battlesh

Postby so sorry on Tue May 22, 2012 2:38 pm

Yes, I created a thread to discuss the merits of the epic movie Battleship, staring future Oscar nominee Rhianna. Deal with it.
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Re: Battleship (seriously, a thread about the movie Battlesh

Postby TheBaxter on Tue May 22, 2012 4:02 pm

so, any news on that ATMOM movie?

oh.

ON TOPIC: this movie looks terrible, though not as terrible as i would expect a movie based on the game Battleship and featuring aliens to look. but still terrible.
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Re: Battleship (seriously, a thread about the movie Battlesh

Postby minstrel on Tue May 22, 2012 4:15 pm

so sorry wrote:Yes, I created a thread to discuss the merits of the epic movie Battleship, staring future Oscar nominee Rhianna. Deal with it.


Great! We all knew this movie would be a smash hit, because the original board game had such vivid, compelling characters and eye-popping action!
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Re: Battleship (seriously, a thread about the movie Battlesh

Postby Ribbons on Tue May 22, 2012 5:06 pm

I'm not sure how many lessons will be learned from Battleship... although it certainly didn't make the amount of money anyone hoped, it did more or less succeed at what it was designed for, which is to be a blockbuster for the post-global marketplace (which is why there are two models and a pop singer in the lead roles instead of actual actors). Obviously it was stupid, and apparently people in America had a hard time taking that movie based on that board game (only now with alien robots) seriously, but in one weekend it scooped up $200 million overseas.
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Re: Battleship (seriously, a thread about the movie Battlesh

Postby RogueScribner on Tue May 22, 2012 8:28 pm

It didn't scoop up $200 million overseas in one weekend. It's been open in many foreign markets for the past month or so.
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Re: Battleship (seriously, a thread about the movie Battlesh

Postby Ribbons on Tue May 22, 2012 8:39 pm

Holy shit, it's been out since April 11? Nevermind. But still, $200 million is nothing to sneeze at.
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Re: Battleship (seriously, a thread about the movie Battlesh

Postby RogueScribner on Tue May 22, 2012 10:18 pm

Yeah, but I think it's safe to say that it's made most of what it's going to overseas. So the prospects are pretty grim.

I think Hollywood needs to be careful with which movies they assign massive budgets to. They always swing for the fences when sometimes they should just try for a double.
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Re: Battleship (seriously, a thread about the movie Battlesh

Postby TheButcher on Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:06 am

From BLASTR:
Battleship director's 'big and powerful' idea why his film tanked
As for what actually went wrong? According to Berg the concept, and the budget propping it up, were just too "big."

"It was a movie that I tried as hard as I could to get inside of. But the concept is so big and powerful, and the money is so big and so powerful, that the movie is going to run away with itself."
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Re: Battleship 2!!

Postby TheButcher on Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:18 am

From MTV: 'Battleship': Will There Be A Sequel?
From blastr:
Why'd Battleship fail? Director says you can blame The Avengers
"Battleship is a film that I would definitely like to do a sequel to. I loved making that film. I had a great time with it. The movie kicked butt internationally, but we kind of ran into a wall when Avengers refused to go away. So what I need everyone to do is go see Battleship now that they've seen Avengers five times. If they do that, we can definitely make a sequel."
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