RogueScribner wrote:On the prophecy front, I suppose it all depends on how its handled. If it's simply a catalyst to start an adventure, but it doesn't dictate the end of it, that could be okay. And in fantasy type films (with their gods and monsters), prophecies don't really seem out of place.
The Ginger Man wrote:RogueScribner wrote:On the prophecy front, I suppose it all depends on how its handled. If it's simply a catalyst to start an adventure, but it doesn't dictate the end of it, that could be okay. And in fantasy type films (with their gods and monsters), prophecies don't really seem out of place.
It may not seem out of place in fantasy, but it's certainly cliche. And again, I just find it lazy and uninteresting. There is no true hero's journey if he's prophicied to save the world. It's also bad character motivation. There has to be a better reason for people to save the world other than "I have to. I'm the chosen one."
TONY DEWONDERFUL wrote:Have you ever noticed that when two star-crossed lovers finally overcome their initial hostility and mid-act misunderstanding and fall into bed, it's never the woman's period.
DorkmanScott wrote:jgraphix wrote:The shot where the hero is running from an explosion and jumps for cover ( a cliché in itself) into water and we get the cam shot of them swimming with the fire above them.
The shot of the explosion behind a person as they jump/dive for cover has never, ever worked. I have never seen it done in any way that doesn't look stupid.
RogueScribner wrote:The Ginger Man wrote:RogueScribner wrote:On the prophecy front, I suppose it all depends on how its handled. If it's simply a catalyst to start an adventure, but it doesn't dictate the end of it, that could be okay. And in fantasy type films (with their gods and monsters), prophecies don't really seem out of place.
It may not seem out of place in fantasy, but it's certainly cliche. And again, I just find it lazy and uninteresting. There is no true hero's journey if he's prophicied to save the world. It's also bad character motivation. There has to be a better reason for people to save the world other than "I have to. I'm the chosen one."
Cliché maybe, but not always bad. A character's reaction and conflicts with that prophecy can still be interesting, even if we do end up in place where we knew we were always headed. Slayers are the prophecized saviors of the world destined to die young and activate the new prophecy girl. Buffy railed against that prophecy and succeeded. Yes, she is the Chosen One, but she does it on her own terms. She isn't simply fate's bitch, in this regard.
Chairman Kaga wrote:
I completely agree with Ginger especially when it comes to all the bullshit love of Royalty in romantic tales (I loathe the idea of royals, royalty, blood borne magical leaders).......He has the blood of the King in his veins (though he doesn't know it or denies it or hides from it) and eventually he will lead his people to victory over the monsters or other people or people monsters or whatever.
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some Watery Tart threw a sword at you. I mean, if I went around saying I was an Emperor because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, people would put me away!
culturalelite wrote:Halloween I think, sure there were slasher movies before it,
ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:Hmm... I wonder when was the first "NOOOOOO!" was bellowed to the
heavens in shock and rage on celluloid??? Anyone???
Al_Shut wrote:Anyway everything is better than the stupid star wars prequel Naboo system were the royals are elected,
Chairman Kaga wrote:Al_Shut wrote:Anyway everything is better than the stupid star wars prequel Naboo system were the royals are elected,
I thought that was just a title as much as President, Amidala wasn't refered to as royalty in AOTC or ROTS.
Chairman Kaga wrote:In the end it's simply a title. In a world of English speaking humans flying ships that make noise in space weilding pyschi powers and laser swords do you think it's that outrageous to call an elected official queen?
Chilli wrote:The English guy always being the bad guy. I fucking hate that. It got so bad in National Treasure that we were cheering for Sean Bean to fricking win the day.
I mean... Nicholas Cage was just as illegal in his activities as Bean, but he wasn't cast in a criminal light.
seppukudkurosawa wrote:The line, "What would you have me do?" which is in every Hollywood movie made in the last 10 years that's set before the 20th Century. Lord of the Rings, The Other Boleyn Girl (at least it was in the trailer), all of them have it.It's a really ALF thing to put you off a movie, I know, but it does!
John-Locke wrote:Any other Brits watch Iron Eagle last night on BBC1? That was the first time I've ever seen it and the whole film is just one big long cheesy cliché
And I loved it.
so sorry wrote:John-Locke wrote:Any other Brits watch Iron Eagle last night on BBC1? That was the first time I've ever seen it and the whole film is just one big long cheesy cliché
And I loved it.
Doug: Anyone ever tell you you talk too much?
Chappy: Yeah, my ex-wife.
Best. Movie. EVAR.
The Ginger Man wrote:I don't know if it's already been brought up in this thread, but I fucking hate prophecy in my films (or any medium, for that matter). Why must hero's be chosen, their actions decided by fate rather than themselves? It's boring, lazy writing, and to a point, cliche.
so sorry wrote:John-Locke wrote:Any other Brits watch Iron Eagle last night on BBC1? That was the first time I've ever seen it and the whole film is just one big long cheesy cliché
And I loved it.
Doug: Anyone ever tell you you talk too much?
Chappy: Yeah, my ex-wife.
Worst. Movie. EVAR.
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