The religious themes of the later books may be more prominent in the follow-up films which Weitz has vowed will be less watered down.
LaDracul wrote:What a Catholic reviewer says about it.
So my verdict is MAYBE I'll see it. Maybe. Though I still say this Pullman guy is just pushing his ideals on people.
judderman wrote:HDM presents a universe for gnostics; elitist, intellectually pompous, and ultimately bitter and hateful. Pullman becomes so all-consumed with rage by the end of the series that it overwhelms whatever positive message he may have intended to convey.
tapehead wrote:LaDracul wrote:What a Catholic reviewer says about it.
So my verdict is MAYBE I'll see it. Maybe. Though I still say this Pullman guy is just pushing his ideals on people.
Seriously LD, what's the difference between Pullman writing 'His Dark Materials' and CS Lewis Writing the 'Narnia' books? Everyone is informed by their own ideology, that's not to say the audience of a book of film can't think for themselves and accept or reject the content they find within, surely?
I think you should hold up on thinking anything about Pullman until you've actually read the books or seen the movies. That way, your opinion will be an informed one, right?
Peven wrote:tapehead wrote:LaDracul wrote:What a Catholic reviewer says about it.
So my verdict is MAYBE I'll see it. Maybe. Though I still say this Pullman guy is just pushing his ideals on people.
Seriously LD, what's the difference between Pullman writing 'His Dark Materials' and CS Lewis Writing the 'Narnia' books? Everyone is informed by their own ideology, that's not to say the audience of a book of film can't think for themselves and accept or reject the content they find within, surely?
I think you should hold up on thinking anything about Pullman until you've actually read the books or seen the movies. That way, your opinion will be an informed one, right?
i'm sure Dracul was out there protesting Mel Gibson pushing his ideals on people with "Passion of Christ" too, Tape. it isn't as if she isn't being inconsistent on this issue.....
judderman wrote:CS Lewis had some weird ideas, particularly about Muslims and women, but on the whole the Narnia series expresses an ideology that is far more hopeful and inclusive than that expressed in HDM. HDM presents a universe for gnostics; elitist, intellectually pompous, and ultimately bitter and hateful. Pullman becomes so all-consumed with rage by the end of the series that it overwhelms whatever positive message he may have intended to convey. Lewis may have been condescending, but at least his message was one of compassion, rather than conflict.
Maui wrote:judderman wrote:CS Lewis had some weird ideas, particularly about Muslims and women, but on the whole the Narnia series expresses an ideology that is far more hopeful and inclusive than that expressed in HDM. HDM presents a universe for gnostics; elitist, intellectually pompous, and ultimately bitter and hateful. Pullman becomes so all-consumed with rage by the end of the series that it overwhelms whatever positive message he may have intended to convey. Lewis may have been condescending, but at least his message was one of compassion, rather than conflict.
Oh my God, ahem, I mean authority, I mean........
In the words of Kansas, All we are is dust in the wind.
Peven wrote:are you kidding me, Al? churches were urging their members to take their whole family to see it, as if it were some sort of pilgrimage
Peven wrote:are you kidding me, Al? churches were urging their members to take their whole family to see it, as if it were some sort of pilgrimage
tapehead wrote:LaDracul wrote:What a Catholic reviewer says about it.
So my verdict is MAYBE I'll see it. Maybe. Though I still say this Pullman guy is just pushing his ideals on people.
Seriously LD, what's the difference between Pullman writing 'His Dark Materials' and CS Lewis Writing the 'Narnia' books? Everyone is informed by their own ideology, that's not to say the audience of a book of film can't think for themselves and accept or reject the content they find within, surely?
I think you should hold up on thinking anything about Pullman until you've actually read the books or seen the movies. That way, your opinion will be an informed one, right?
stereosforgeeks wrote:tapehead wrote:LaDracul wrote:What a Catholic reviewer says about it.
So my verdict is MAYBE I'll see it. Maybe. Though I still say this Pullman guy is just pushing his ideals on people.
Seriously LD, what's the difference between Pullman writing 'His Dark Materials' and CS Lewis Writing the 'Narnia' books? Everyone is informed by their own ideology, that's not to say the audience of a book of film can't think for themselves and accept or reject the content they find within, surely?
I think you should hold up on thinking anything about Pullman until you've actually read the books or seen the movies. That way, your opinion will be an informed one, right?
Actually this is getting at the heart of the books, no? Pullman wants us to be informed intelligent individuals able to make our own choices.
Maui wrote:stereosforgeeks wrote:tapehead wrote:LaDracul wrote:What a Catholic reviewer says about it.
So my verdict is MAYBE I'll see it. Maybe. Though I still say this Pullman guy is just pushing his ideals on people.
Seriously LD, what's the difference between Pullman writing 'His Dark Materials' and CS Lewis Writing the 'Narnia' books? Everyone is informed by their own ideology, that's not to say the audience of a book of film can't think for themselves and accept or reject the content they find within, surely?
I think you should hold up on thinking anything about Pullman until you've actually read the books or seen the movies. That way, your opinion will be an informed one, right?
Actually this is getting at the heart of the books, no? Pullman wants us to be informed intelligent individuals able to make our own choices.
Exactly SFG! Sorta like most things in life, you know?
stereosforgeeks wrote:Maui wrote:stereosforgeeks wrote:tapehead wrote:LaDracul wrote:What a Catholic reviewer says about it.
So my verdict is MAYBE I'll see it. Maybe. Though I still say this Pullman guy is just pushing his ideals on people.
Seriously LD, what's the difference between Pullman writing 'His Dark Materials' and CS Lewis Writing the 'Narnia' books? Everyone is informed by their own ideology, that's not to say the audience of a book of film can't think for themselves and accept or reject the content they find within, surely?
I think you should hold up on thinking anything about Pullman until you've actually read the books or seen the movies. That way, your opinion will be an informed one, right?
Actually this is getting at the heart of the books, no? Pullman wants us to be informed intelligent individuals able to make our own choices.
Exactly SFG! Sorta like most things in life, you know?
You can tell when he was writing he was thinking about the types of discussions we are having here and just reeling in agony on people insistence not to seek their own truths through knowledge. This doesnt really discount theisms per se but rather says you should make educated decisions and not just follow blindly.
so sorry wrote:This discussion is probably headed into a direction seperate from "Movie Rewiew".
DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:so sorry wrote:This discussion is probably headed into a direction seperate from "Movie Rewiew".
Yes... perhaps it would a be better served inna the "His Dark Materials" thread inna the Books forum, no? Please redirect a the conversation regarding a the Pullman's intent over to a there, eh?
DaleTremont wrote:Dino, are you a mod or a mouse?!? What is this calm plea for reason nonsense?
so sorry wrote:This discussion is probably headed into a direction seperate from "Movie Rewiew". But I thought I'd chime in and politely disagree with both of you!
From everything I've read about Pullman, his intent wasn't to tell us to open our eyes to new ways of thinking about religion (as sfg suggests above).
He is (militantly?) athiest. He isn't just telling you to think for yourself, he's telling you that there is no god. Period. Read a few interviews with him and you'll find that he really looks down upon the mere thought of a higher being.
Now what this has to do with the movie... can't really say. I'm sure that its been watered down to the point where his raving anti-religious spin is almost inpercievable on film.
DaleTremont wrote:Dino, are you a mod or a mouse?!? What is this calm plea for reason nonsense? Delete these posts and send menacing PMs to all us godly/godless paisans! Then B4N Peven for sport.
stereosforgeeks wrote:I wasn't saying he believed that or didnt mean to imply it anyway. I just meant to say that the idea of seeking knowledge and understanding for yourself can coexist with a belief in an "authority."
He does get into stating the ideas you say in the later books, but again I felt like the main theme was the one i presented. Or the one I latched onto the most anyway.
DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:stereosforgee ks wrote:I wasn't saying he believed that or didnt mean to imply it anyway. I just meant to say that the idea of seeking knowledge and understanding for yourself can coexist with a belief in an "authority."
He does get into stating the ideas you say in the later books, but again I felt like the main theme was the one i presented. Or the one I latched onto the most anyway.
YOU GODDAMN PUTZ!!! What part of a the "take it over to a the goddamn Books forum" donna you unna'derstand, eh? The Dino, he SCOLD a you like a the goddamn putz that a you are!!
(Like a that, Dale?)
DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:stereosforgee ks wrote:I wasn't saying he believed that or didnt mean to imply it anyway. I just meant to say that the idea of seeking knowledge and understanding for yourself can coexist with a belief in an "authority."
He does get into stating the ideas you say in the later books, but again I felt like the main theme was the one i presented. Or the one I latched onto the most anyway.
YOU GODDAMN PUTZ!!! What part of a the "take it over to a the goddamn Books forum" donna you unna'derstand, eh? The Dino, he SCOLD a you like a the goddamn putz that a you are!!
(Like a that, Dale?)
stereosforgeeks wrote:I have no problem putting the foagies in their place.
DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:stereosforgeeks wrote:I have no problem putting the foagies in their place.
Yes, yes... we know, eh?
Al_Shut wrote:@ tapehead Since her opinion seems to be the central point in deciding if she wants to see he movie at all, waiting after seeing the movie to form it would be a bit pointless wouldn't it?
Tyrone_Shoelaces paraphrasing the film's director wrote:I had conversations with Pullman about this, and as far as he's concerned, his story is a statement against dogmatic authority of any kind."
tapehead wrote:Al_Shut wrote:@ tapehead Since her opinion seems to be the central point in deciding if she wants to see he movie at all, waiting after seeing the movie to form it would be a bit pointless wouldn't it?
It would - perhaps sharing her opinion with others repeatedly might wait until after that, at least.
Dee E. Goppstober wrote:Still- it seems that the ideology (or lack of it) is central to the content of the movie. So it's bound to be discussed here a little, isn't it? Over a very friendly glass of egg-nogg, perhaps?
Dee E. Goppstober wrote:tapehead wrote:Al_Shut wrote:@ tapehead Since her opinion seems to be the central point in deciding if she wants to see he movie at all, waiting after seeing the movie to form it would be a bit pointless wouldn't it?
It would - perhaps sharing her opinion with others repeatedly might wait until after that, at least.
I think it is an amusing strategy: walk into a thread - post one very crass and definite statement -then walk out again -never engaging in the discussion that ensues. And then- when the discussion has died down - to repost the very same statement again - and disappear once more!![]()
That way- we can certainly all live on in good holiday spirit -because there really is no exchange of ideas to speak of, right?
Still- it seems that the ideology (or lack of it) is central to the content of the movie. So it's bound to be discussed here a little, isn't it? Over a very friendly glass of egg-nogg, perhaps?
Maui wrote:Dee E. Goppstober wrote:Still- it seems that the ideology (or lack of it) is central to the content of the movie. So it's bound to be discussed here a little, isn't it? Over a very friendly glass of egg-nogg, perhaps?
Did I hear mention of Eggnogg?
Maui wrote:stereosforgeeks wrote:Dee meant the naughty eggnog.
Pull your head out of the gutter SFG!!!
stereosforgeeks wrote:Maui wrote:Dee E. Goppstober wrote:Still- it seems that the ideology (or lack of it) is central to the content of the movie. So it's bound to be discussed here a little, isn't it? Over a very friendly glass of egg-nogg, perhaps?
Did I hear mention of Eggnogg?
Dee meant the naughty eggnog.
Dee E. Goppstober wrote:stereosforgeeks wrote:Maui wrote:Dee E. Goppstober wrote:Still- it seems that the ideology (or lack of it) is central to the content of the movie. So it's bound to be discussed here a little, isn't it? Over a very friendly glass of egg-nogg, perhaps?
Did I hear mention of Eggnogg?
Dee meant the naughty eggnog.
I'll feel a little like a Danish cartoonist now - but speaking of dirty egg nog -you mean something like this?
stereosforgeeks wrote:That kid sure looks happy.
TonyWilson wrote:stereosforgeeks wrote:That kid sure looks happy.
If you found a woman who's breasts produced an alcoholic beverage wouldn't you be happy?
TonyWilson wrote:stereosforgeeks wrote:That kid sure looks happy.
If you found a woman who's breasts produced an alcoholic beverage wouldn't you be happy?
I might have to post in the turn on thread now, hahahahahaha.
Dee E. Goppstober wrote:TonyWilson wrote:stereosforgeeks wrote:That kid sure looks happy.
If you found a woman who's breasts produced an alcoholic beverage wouldn't you be happy?
So - there you go -that's why we all love boozing!
But, so... uhm... what about those CGI animals, huh?
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