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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:25 am
by Hermanator X
Yeah, I took a friend along who hasnt seen X1 or X2, (or ever read comic books of any type) and I had some explaining to do when it finished. Why is everyone blue, what was up with hedgehog man, and why didnt proffessor X just move his legs with his mind. Nothing worse than explaining nerdy plot devices and logic to the uninitiated without going red!!

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:33 am
by Coheed_and_Cambria
I saw this movie yesterday...

I left unsatisfied, by quite a bit...
now im not saying it was bad, but there was just so much more they could have done...

Iceman icing up was kickass, as was the utter devastation that Jean caused...

I wish we had seen more of the sentinel, and other than that, i just wished it hadn't been so short...

It felt rushed almost to a point

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:45 am
by jgraphix
There were a couple of lines that made me grimmace and roll my eyes.

Wolverine: Way to go Furball

Juggernaut: Do you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut bitch

Here are some things like dialouge and scenes that were cut.

http://boards.ign.com/movies_lobby/b5236/118507730/p1/?7

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:26 am
by AtomicHyperbole
Two words -

Double dip.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:27 am
by ZombieZoneSolutions
In regards to the corny and/or melodramatic dialogue thing, all
superhero/ sci-fi / genre narratives have corny and/or melodramatic
dialogue
; for me thats part of the charm. That same argument was
used for STAR WARS, and, I dunno, call me crazy, but I think both the
OT and the PT are filled with corny and/or melodramatic dialogue; where
the OT is better is more in relation to the spot-on humorous banter which
was more or less missing from the PT...

X1, X2, and X3 all had their moments of corny dialogue; X3 is being
singled out primarily because of the Ratner substitution, not because of
anything substantially different dialoguewise from the admittedly superior
previous installments. At least, thats imho. I don't see how "I'm the
Juggernaut, bitch!" is any more or less corny then cringe-inducing lines
like, "You know what happens to toads when they're stuck by lightning?
The same thing that happens to everything else." -or- "You know those
dangerous mutants you've heard about? Well I'm the worst one!" And if
its any indication of whether the dialouge was corny or not, the entire
theatre I was in erupted in delighted laughter when Juggernaut said that
line; more or less the exact same reaction when Wolvie called Cyclops a
dick in X1. That appears to me to be good pulpy dialouge; and
something very much in keeping with the idea of Juggernaut as a giant,
lumbering, uncouth brute stymied by the fact that he was pwnt by a
pretty lil' pixie protector...

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:30 am
by AtomicHyperbole
Or the fact he looks like an actual dickhead. As in having a penis helmet shaped head.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:32 am
by ZombieZoneSolutions
AtomicHyperbole wrote:Or the fact he looks like an actual dickhead. As in having a penis helmet shaped head.


Ha ha! Yep!

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:08 pm
by Doc Holliday
Hermanator X wrote:
Doc Holliday wrote:You want to talk continuity errors? Right, then lets talk - in X3 with the exception of "ItsDAYnowitsNIGHT" everyones quibbles really are quite individual and personal - not the sort of glaring UNIVERSAL errors like Affleck repeating the same line after defeating Kingpin....or the ball he goes to being in July on one invite....and then in August about four shots later. And so on and so on.


I Believe that the date changing is an intentional error, for comic effect (coming after the love scene suggesting they spent a month in bed). Cant remember where i read\heard it, but it was the director saying it was his own little gag, rather than a goof.


Nah....wasn't intentional - but Kudos to Johnson...that IS how he laughed it off on the commentary track...he says "Like, you gotta figure, Daredevil had the best sex ever...he slept for a month".

I felt sorry for him (not in a patronising way) - if he had had more time, he could have exercised more control directly over this sort of thing and most if not all these errors wouldn't have made the final grade - but he was reliant on others and they let him down quite badly.

I still haven't seen the Directors cut version - but I hear it is much MUCH better........

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:23 pm
by MasterWhedon
colonel_lugz wrote:Here are some concept designs of how Grean Grey/Dark Pheonix coulda/shoulda looked

http://www.alpaltiner.com/alp_navigation_html/alp_xmen.html

I'm a big fan of the flaming bird in the lower left of that first group of four images. (I'd post, but the site won't allow you to Save As.) Seeing it there makes me kinda grumpy that it didn't make the film, even for one small burst.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:52 pm
by athenabodicea
This set of pics?
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But this is my favorite pic in the bunch...
I have it as my wallpaper on my computer at home....
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:01 pm
by MasterWhedon
Fook yeah. I like the bottom left on that first set, the bottom two on the second and elements of the top two on the third.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:25 pm
by The Ginger Man
Doc Holliday wrote:You want to talk continuity errors? Right, then lets talk - in X3 with the exception of "ItsDAYnowitsNIGHT" everyones quibbles really are quite individual and personal - not the sort of glaring UNIVERSAL errors like Affleck repeating the same line after defeating Kingpin....or the ball he goes to being in July on one invite....and then in August about four shots later. And so on and so on.


Here's the continuity error that I figured more people would be talking about. Beast. In X2, he's non-hairy. In X3, he's total "furball." The time between the two films is, at the most, one year. So he's an ex-Xman who in the past year has further mutated into a blue, hairy creature...and everyone is ok with that? Including the president? It's an issue that's easily retconned away...but still, kinda bugged me. B/C when he meets Leech, he loses his hair and blue color...which suggests that's his mutation rather than his strength and agility. But he didn't have that fur a year ago...... hmmm....

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:30 pm
by AtomicHyperbole
Beast was in X2? I can't say I noticed. Screenie? Plus he's non-hairy? WTF?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:31 pm
by MasterWhedon
The Ginger Man wrote:
Doc Holliday wrote:You want to talk continuity errors? Right, then lets talk - in X3 with the exception of "ItsDAYnowitsNIGHT" everyones quibbles really are quite individual and personal - not the sort of glaring UNIVERSAL errors like Affleck repeating the same line after defeating Kingpin....or the ball he goes to being in July on one invite....and then in August about four shots later. And so on and so on.


Here's the continuity error that I figured more people would be talking about. Beast. In X2, he's non-hairy. In X3, he's total "furball." The time between the two films is, at the most, one year. So he's an ex-Xman who in the past year has further mutated into a blue, hairy creature...and everyone is ok with that? Including the president? It's an issue that's easily retconned away...but still, kinda bugged me. B/C when he meets Leech, he loses his hair and blue color...which suggests that's his mutation rather than his strength and agility. But he didn't have that fur a year ago...... hmmm....

Yeah, I just dismiss that along with the fact that Kitty Pryde is played by three different actresses. McCoy was only thrown in the second one as an Easter Egg.

I believe Movie Beast was ALWAYS blue as opposed to turning blue via a science experiment gone awry, as that scene with Leech would suggest.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:34 pm
by AtomicHyperbole
Apparently it's a RETCON!

Seems like a funny thing to complain about bearing that in mind. ;)

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:42 pm
by MasterWhedon
AtomicHyperbole wrote:Apparently it's a RETCON!

Seems like a funny thing to complain about bearing that in mind. ;)

Will you fucking Retcon your actions and give me my visor back?!

:evil:

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:52 pm
by AtomicHyperbole
No, it's funny watching you squint from afar.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:07 pm
by The Ginger Man
AtomicHyperbole wrote:Apparently it's a RETCON!

Seems like a funny thing to complain about bearing that in mind. ;)


I'm not complaining about it. I just figured more people would have said something about it. It's totally a retcon I can live with, no doubt, b/c I wanted to see beast in one of the movies.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:10 pm
by MasterWhedon
AtomicHyperbole wrote:No, it's funny watching you squint from afar.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:18 pm
by AtomicHyperbole
*hands visor back*

Cheers for singing my hair.






























My pubic hair. How'd that happen anyhow?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:20 pm
by MasterWhedon
What do you think I was aiming for?




...and thank you.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:50 pm
by The Garbage Man

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:52 pm
by MasterWhedon
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:15 pm
by AtomicHyperbole
That is piss badly drawn but oh-so-creamy good.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:17 pm
by colonel_lugz
fuckin funny!

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:26 pm
by Brit Pop
Three things in films I wasnt expecting....

1) That bit in scanners...

2) That bit in Deep Blue Sea...

3) The Professor... I mean... he exploded! He fucking exploded! Logan must have been washing X-meat out of his hair for a month!

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:43 pm
by raasnio
ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:"You know what happens to toads when they're stuck by lightning?
The same thing that happens to everything else." -or- "You know those
dangerous mutants you've heard about? Well I'm the worst one!" And if
its any indication of whether the dialouge was corny or not, the entire
theatre I was in erupted in delighted laughter when Juggernaut said that
line; more or less the exact same reaction when Wolvie called Cyclops a
dick in X1. That appears to me to be good pulpy dialouge; and
something very much in keeping with the idea of Juggernaut as a giant,
lumbering, uncouth brute stymied by the fact that he was pwnt by a
pretty lil' pixie protector...


I thought I had purged that toad line from my head for good. God that is awful.

I agree on the pulpy dialogue. The two lines did get the same reaction from my recollection.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:15 am
by Petri
Brit Pop wrote:3) The Professor... I mean... he exploded! He fucking exploded! Logan must have been washing X-meat out of his hair for a month!


The second that happened I leaned over to my wife and said "He went to the Astral Plane. She, being a veteren of X-men Legends, knew what I was talking about.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:33 pm
by Chairman Kaga
I saw it last night and enjoyed it. I think it fits well in the film's alternative narrative timeline from that of the comics. I don't think it's fair to compare it with any of the Phoenix Saga comics as if it was an adaptation when it obviously isn't.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:24 pm
by RogueScribner
Is it fair to compare one film Phoenix to another? 'Cause they were different film to film. We had a flaming Jean in X2 and a Zombie Jean in X3. Eesh.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:25 pm
by jgraphix
...and in X4 she will be a flaming zombie lesbian.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:32 pm
by Petri
jgraphix wrote:...and in X4 she will be a flaming zombie lesbian.


Then all my dreams have come true.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:34 pm
by RogueScribner
That might actually get me back in the theater . . . ;)

PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:41 pm
by Chairman Kaga
RogueScribner wrote:Is it fair to compare one film Phoenix to another? 'Cause they were different film to film. We had a flaming Jean in X2 and a Zombie Jean in X3. Eesh.

Sure I think that is completely legitimate.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:35 am
by Doc Holliday
You had Phoenix onscreen for less than two seconds in X2 in her true sense - I'm going to go with figuring the longer the entity took control of Jean, the greater the skin degradation became.

Hank McCoy is seen in X2 the movie - not just as an Easter Egg (umm...to me Easter Egg is something hidden on the menu screens on DVD - so I might be getting lost in translation a bit~. He is being interviewed on TV in the bar whilst Mystique is befriending Magneto's guard.....

....and its not good enough I know - but for anyone who is interested, Beast started in the comics as ordinary skin and bones. The Blue Fur came much much later.......but was as a result of mutation....

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:54 am
by wheredidigo111
I've been going around the internet and hearing so romers. I think most of them are wrong but they say that Marvel don't like the X3 movie and are now taking back there movie rights back. And the spin-off thay want Fox to make is Wolverine now. And something about getting New Line to do any future X-men movies. But remember I don't think any of them are true.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:05 am
by Doc Holliday
wheredidigo111 wrote:I've been going around the internet and hearing so romers. I think most of them are wrong but they say that Marvel don't like the X3 movie and are now taking back there movie rights back. And the spin-off thay want Fox to make is Wolverine now. And something about getting New Line to do any future X-men movies. But remember I don't think any of them are true.


Hmmm. You're probably right....although Avi has changed the playing a field a bit with his move. could it be related? Could it...dare we dream?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:26 am
by wheredidigo111
Doc Holliday wrote:
wheredidigo111 wrote:I've been going around the internet and hearing so romers. I think most of them are wrong but they say that Marvel don't like the X3 movie and are now taking back there movie rights back. And the spin-off thay want Fox to make is Wolverine now. And something about getting New Line to do any future X-men movies. But remember I don't think any of them are true.


Hmmm. You're probably right....although Avi has changed the playing a field a bit with his move. could it be related? Could it...dare we dream?


My brother saids that this is may not be the frist time that Marvel someone leave and make it look like something they both wanted to. Some say it may have happened over the last CEO of Marvel after something went wrong with Grant Morrison over New X-Men. But like I say there just rumers.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:32 am
by coorspate
the movie was great! anyone who is bitching about it not follwing the comics perfectly is a moron! if you want the exact same story that was in the comics, READ THE COMICS! its that simple.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:46 am
by wheredidigo111
coorspate wrote:the movie was great! anyone who is bitching about it not follwing the comics perfectly is a moron! if you want the exact same story that was in the comics, READ THE COMICS! its that simple.


man what's you'er problem? And by the way it had nothing to do with follwing the comics. It manly had to with no stary and being a rushed movie with no Character development what so ever. The only thing it had was it's action seens. And that was it.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:54 am
by AtomicHyperbole
So you've seen the film now. Wheredidigo?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:58 am
by austenandrews
wheredidigo111 wrote:I've been going around the internet and hearing so romers. I think most of them are wrong but they say that Marvel don't like the X3 movie and are now taking back there movie rights back. And the spin-off thay want Fox to make is Wolverine now. And something about getting New Line to do any future X-men movies. But remember I don't think any of them are true.

Marvel's developing a lot of their properties in-house now. I wouldn't be shocked if they pulled a guaranteed moneymaker like the X-Men franchise into their own studio. It's safe to say the next one will be a departure from the last three, so production continuity isn't as much of an issue.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:38 am
by wheredidigo111
austenandrews wrote:
wheredidigo111 wrote:I've been going around the internet and hearing so romers. I think most of them are wrong but they say that Marvel don't like the X3 movie and are now taking back there movie rights back. And the spin-off thay want Fox to make is Wolverine now. And something about getting New Line to do any future X-men movies. But remember I don't think any of them are true.

Marvel's developing a lot of their properties in-house now. I wouldn't be shocked if they pulled a guaranteed moneymaker like the X-Men franchise into their own studio. It's safe to say the next one will be a departure from the last three, so production continuity isn't as much of an issue.


Truth is that it's Avi Arad that's going to make his own studio. Marvel hasn't made any plans yet. I think Mavel want's to deal with New Line then anything. I mean they seem to see thing more eye to eye with New Line then with Fox.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:39 am
by AtomicHyperbole
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OK I think that's enough... ;)

Actually, if you look closely there's a stereoscopic image of the film X3 could've been... :D

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:43 am
by Seppuku
AtomicHyperbole wrote:
Actually, if you look closely there's a stereoscopic image of the film X3 could've been... :D


:lol: :lol: ISOMDILASH.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:57 am
by Hermanator X
Also.....

'Wheredidigo have you seen the film'
anagrams to
'Heigh-ho! Wild-eyed, favourite semen.

pointless but true. I was looking deep for hidden meaning, and thats the best the net came up with.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:22 pm
by MasterWhedon
wheredidigo111 wrote:
austenandrews wrote:
wheredidigo111 wrote:I've been going around the internet and hearing so romers. I think most of them are wrong but they say that Marvel don't like the X3 movie and are now taking back there movie rights back. And the spin-off thay want Fox to make is Wolverine now. And something about getting New Line to do any future X-men movies. But remember I don't think any of them are true.

Marvel's developing a lot of their properties in-house now. I wouldn't be shocked if they pulled a guaranteed moneymaker like the X-Men franchise into their own studio. It's safe to say the next one will be a departure from the last three, so production continuity isn't as much of an issue.


Truth is that it's Avi Arad that's going to make his own studio. Marvel hasn't made any plans yet. I think Mavel want's to deal with New Line then anything. I mean they seem to see thing more eye to eye with New Line then with Fox.

IF Marvel manages to fenagle back their rights to produce X-Men in-house (they won't), there is no reason for them to go to New Line to release the films.

Their in-house deal is set up with a sort of "first look" distribution deal with Paramount, and there's NO WAY Paramount would turn down distributing an X-Men film.

Also, the last project Marvel had set up at New Line was Iron Man, which they bungled through development hell and eventually lost back to Marvel.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:51 pm
by AtomicHyperbole
Hermanator X wrote:Also.....

'Wheredidigo have you seen the film'
anagrams to
'Heigh-ho! Wild-eyed, favourite semen.

pointless but true. I was looking deep for hidden meaning, and thats the best the net came up with.


MYSPLEENILASH!

PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:17 pm
by RogueScribner
Unsticky this crap! Nobody cares about X-Men anymore. Bring on Superman!

PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:34 pm
by MasterWhedon
Unsticky your face.

Saw this again over the weekend, was duly impressed once more.

One new note on where Iceman's ice sled could've been used PERFECTLY within the confines of the given film: The moment the X-team gets to Alcatraz and everyone jumps down off the roof, why not have Iceman do a quick ice sled down to the ground? He wouldn't be defying gravity in any odd way, and it'd be a nice way to thrown one more nod to the fan base in there.

It doesn't really matter that it's not in there, but considering he's supposed to be badass Iceman at this point, why not throw that in?

I'm betting that's one of those we might've seen had the film been given a little more time to breath.