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Postby thebostonlocksmith on Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:09 pm

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:
thebostonlocksmith wrote:It's quite funny that i do quite like Unbreakable, but never really thought of some of those Dino points... which are a little spasticated when you think about it... good work...


Yes, that's exactly a the Old Man's point, eh? Alla you putzes, you were alla bewitched by a the "serious" funny book picture, that dinna feature a the spandex anna capes, anna you were alla like "Best. Funny book movie. EVAR!!" anna such... when inna'stead, you should have a looked a little more carefully atta the flaws, eh?


Well not quite, if you're going to watch a film about comics, then surely you don't have to worry about thinking too much about all that stuff. Sure, you make a valid case for some things that are wrong that i didn't see before, but at the same time it won't spoil my enjoyment of watching it the next time i do... It'll just make the experience for my girlfriend exceptionally boring as i make all of your comments from above and make tham seem like they were mine...
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Postby TheBaxter on Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:19 pm

i just realized something. M Night must have something against water. Unbreakable = superhero guy who's weakness is water. Signs = aliens allergic to water. Lady in the Water = shitty film. i guess night doesn't like to go swimming very much.
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Postby Chilli on Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:22 pm

TheBaxter wrote:i just realized something. M Night must have something against water. Unbreakable = superhero guy who's weakness is water. Signs = aliens allergic to water. Lady in the Water = shitty film. i guess night doesn't like to go swimming very much.


hehehehe.
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Postby ONeillSG1 on Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:44 pm

thebostonlocksmith wrote:
DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:
thebostonlocksmith wrote:It's quite funny that i do quite like Unbreakable, but never really thought of some of those Dino points... which are a little spasticated when you think about it... good work...


Yes, that's exactly a the Old Man's point, eh? Alla you putzes, you were alla bewitched by a the "serious" funny book picture, that dinna feature a the spandex anna capes, anna you were alla like "Best. Funny book movie. EVAR!!" anna such... when inna'stead, you should have a looked a little more carefully atta the flaws, eh?


Well not quite, if you're going to watch a film about comics, then surely you don't have to worry about thinking too much about all that stuff. Sure, you make a valid case for some things that are wrong that i didn't see before, but at the same time it won't spoil my enjoyment of watching it the next time i do... It'll just make the experience for my girlfriend exceptionally boring as i make all of your comments from above and make tham seem like they were mine...


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Postby so sorry on Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:07 pm

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:Anna to get a back onna topic, eh? My problems with a the Unna'breakable, they are a numerous, eh? But a to just a name a the few...

Firstly, right offa the bat, you gotta the goddamn title screen that say something like "Every year, 17 million funny books, they sold inna the U.S., eh?" anna right there, inna the first 15 seconds of a the movie, you gotta alla the women inna the audience saying "holy crappa... you take a me to a the goddamn FUNNY BOOK a movie!?!?" Shyamalan, that putz, he alienates a half a the audience right there anna gets a the other half inna trouble with a their mates, thus impacting a the remaining enna'joyment of a the picture, eh?

Second, you gotta the Shyamalan, who knocked it outta the park onna his first outing with a the Sixth Sense, but he's a the goddamn one-trick pony, eh? He's a no Spielberg, that's a for sure... Unna'like a the Spielberg, he TELLS us everything inna the Unna'breakable, inna'stead of a showing us, eh?

For example, you gotta the Sammy J. character, anna through a the whole goddamn movie, he's a like a the goddamn Chatty-Cathy, "Joe Expository", no? Giving a the goddamn Bruce's character a the goddamn "Funny Books 101" lessons anna such, even a going so far as a to say "Look atta alla the super villians, eh? The artists, they draw them with a the big heads anna bulging eyes anna such, no?" as iffa we dinna notice that a the Sammy J, he's a gotta that crazy hair-do anna the bug-eyes, eh?

Anna then a you gotta the whole thing with a the water, no? Again, you gotta the Sammy J. saying "oh, the water, she's a like a your Kryptonite, eh? Alla the superheroes, they gotta the weakness, eh?" just inna case a we too stupid to figure it alla out, no? Anna then a we gotta to have a the Bruce say "hmm... when I was a the little kid, I alla'most drowned, eh? Anna I dinna bother to try anna swim ever again!!"

Compare that with a the Chief Brody inna the Jaws, eh? From a the very first a scene with a the character onna the ferry, we can a tell from a his body language anna actions, he donna like a the water, eh? Anna so' s a when a the character, they say "you donna like a the water, eh Chief?" atta that point, we alla'ready know it, eh? Anna the question, she becomes alla humorous a 'cos it's a the yokel-gag of a stating a the obvious inna'stead of a the goddamn expository dialog, no?

Third, once a the goddamn Shyamalan sets uppa the film with alla the expository dialog, he donna make a the biggest pay-off of alla, eh? He tell us plain anna simple that a the villian is a the EXACT OPPOSITE of a the hero, eh? Anna so while a the Bruce, he's unna'breakable, you gotta the Sammy J who's totally breakable, eh? With a the fragile anna brittle bones anna such... anna so's a the final pay-off, she would have a been after explaining a the Kryptonite deal with a the water, he should have a shown a the Sammy J. inna the swimming pool or a the therapy pool atta the hospital or a something, moving alla graceful anna flexible anna free inna the water, doing a the "hydro-weight" training anna such, a 'cos a the water, she is a the only place where his a bones, they donna break anna he can a do things inna the water he just a canna do onna land, eh? Inna the water, he has a the strength anna agility, no? Unna'like a the Bruce, who sink a like a the goddamn rock, no?

Fourth, you gotta the whole idea of a the adult man who dinna notice a before that he's a gotta the super-strength anna such ever before inna his a life? Holy crappa that premise, she is alla kinds of a the stupid, eh? Yes, yes, he says something like "I was alla'ways a the good athlete" anna such but holy crappa! The putz, he suddenly discovers as a the adult he can a bench a like a the 700 lbs with ease, no? You donna think he would have a discovered something like a that earlier inna his a life? Like a say, inna the workout room inna the gym a when he play a the football inna high school anna such?

Goddamn... I could a go on.... but I gotta to catch uppa onna the other threads, eh?


AT the risk of this thread turning into Dino-against-the-Zone... I wholeheartedly agree with him... I hated this movie.
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Postby unikrunk on Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:20 pm

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:Goddamn putzes! A the Winston, he would a be NOTHING without a the Dino paving a the goddamn way with a the Kong robot, eh? Alla the peoples, they say a the goddamn monkey robot, she was a the goddamn failure, eh? But goddamn... atta least she was INNA THE ONE PIECE, eh? Anna no goddamn CGI to hide alla the flaws anna shortcomings, eh?

Alla you putzes, they alla talk about a the goddamn T-Rex inna the Jurassic Park anna how fantastic she was, eh? Holy crappa... the goddamn Winston, he could a not even a create a the goddamn T-Rex robot inna one piece, eh? He hadda the top part with a the head, anna he hadda the separate part with a the legs, eh? NOT ONCE did a they ever put a the two pieces together, eh? My Kong robot? She was inna the ONE PIECE. Okay, so she leak a the goddamn hydraulic fluid like a the Liz Taylor anna her inna'conna'tinence problem, but still... the Dino, he deliver onna what he say he would, eh?

Anna as a for a the quote... she was a from a the now famous articleinna the Time magazine, eh? Holy crappa... that was a the best piece of a the hype I could ever have a pulled over onna alla you putzes, eh? Hehehehe... anna totally FREE! BWAAAAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Time.com wrote:But when he allows his highly emotional commitment to this project to show, one cannot help but hope the film's second half lives up to the promise of the first half, cannot help hoping no one shoots him from his perch atop the dream edifice he has constructed. "No one cry when Jaws die," Dino says, his voice rising in passion as he develops his theme. "But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. Intellectuals gonna love Kong; even film buffs who love the first Kong gonna love ours. Why? Because I no give them crap. I no spend two, three million to do quick business. I spend 24 million on my Kong. I give them quality. I got here a great love story, a great adventure. And she rated P.G. For everybody."


I was already choking from laughing too hard, and then you go and post up this alleged 'Time' piece.

Ah, good gravy, my sides hurt.

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Postby Fawst on Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:27 pm

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:Firstly, right offa the bat, you gotta the goddamn title screen that say something like "Every year, 17 million funny books, they sold inna the U.S., eh?"


This is nitpicking more than anything. Not once since this film was released have I heard anyone complain about that opening title. And believe me, I've had people screaming at the top of their lungs at me about how much this movie sucked.

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:blah blah blah, exposition out the ass, blah blah blah.


Fair enough.

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:Something about Sam Jackson being in water.


This would have been a setup with no payoff, not a payoff. Can you honestly tell me that had that scene been written/filmed, people wouldn't have been pissed off because they never got an epic underwater battle between the two of them? I think the scene of Sam falling down the stairs, breaking nearly every bone in his body, that was enough visual exposition.

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:Bruce Willis lifted a lot of weight, why didn't he before?


Watch it again, you see that he can lift it, but this isn't Superman levels of strength. It took an effort. He was able to do it, but you can't say it was simple for him. Realistically, no one in their right mind is going to EVER try to lift weight beyond a normal level. If he struggled to lift "normal" weight, why would he ever try to go beyond that? It doesn't make sense to me.

I can see your point on a couple things, but I don't really agree. Then again, I love the movie.
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Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:18 pm

TheBaxter wrote:i just realized something. M Night must have something against water.


Holy crappa... it's a too easy, eh?

Hehehehe....
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Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:30 pm

Fawst wrote:
DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:Firstly, right offa the bat, you gotta the goddamn title screen that say something like "Every year, 17 million funny books, they sold inna the U.S., eh?"


This is nitpicking more than anything. Not once since this film was released have I heard anyone complain about that opening title.


Anna therefore my opinion, she is inna'valid? Goddamn putz.

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DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:Something about Sam Jackson being in water.


This would have been a setup with no payoff, not a payoff. Can you honestly tell me that had that scene been written/filmed, people wouldn't have been pissed off because they never got an epic underwater battle between the two of them? I think the scene of Sam falling down the stairs, breaking nearly every bone in his body, that was enough visual exposition.


You miss a my point enna'tirely, paisan. I dinna say just a "something" about a the Sammy J inna the water, eh? I was a giving a yet a the 'nother example of a the rampant exposition inna the film inna'stead of a the filming of a the simple scene which would have eloquently 'splained a the "villian is a the opposite of a the hero" inna the cinematic way as opposed to a the goddamn expository way, eh? It's a not a the matter of a seeing how a the goddamn bones, they brittle, eh? It's alla 'bout a showing that a the water is a the bad for a the hero anna good for a the villian, eh?

Goddamn putz.

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DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:Bruce Willis lifted a lot of weight, why didn't he before?


Watch it again, you see that he can lift it, but this isn't Superman levels of strength. It took an effort. He was able to do it, but you can't say it was simple for him. Realistically, no one in their right mind is going to EVER try to lift weight beyond a normal level.


Goddamn... atta least a give a me a the respect of a quoting my comments inna'stead of a the goddamn paraphrasing, eh? The Dino, he donna just a do this:

Fawst wrote:Nothing of a significance a 'cos he's a too blinded by his a love for a the film a to accept a the truth, eh?


Goddamn putz. Back onna point... it donna take a the effort, eh? Sure, he lifts it slowly, no? But it's a not a like he's a grunting with a the veins popping out onna his a forehead anna such, eh? He's a just a calmly anna slowly testing a the limits of a how much he can a lift, anna iffa the Dino's memory, she serves (I only watched it a the one time a when a she was a released) the only reason he stopped was a 'cos it was a time a for dinner or a something, no? i.e. he could have a prolly lifted more, no?

Anna it's a not unna'reasonable to assume that atta some point inna his a life, iffa he had a this inna'credible strength, it would have a manifested itself inna some way before, no? Like he's a gotta the 10 putzes onna him anna yet he still strides his a way to a the end zone? Anna alla the putzes, they think "hmm... you donna see THAT every day, eh?"
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Postby DennisMM on Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:42 pm

Dino, that was an excellent critique of the film. The position I've always taken is that it's not Shyamalan's best but that I enjoy it more than the others.

However, twice you have mentioned David Dunn's failure to notice his incredible strength earlier in his life. I'll posit that he may be able to use his strength to some degree when he unconsciously feels a need for it. Perhaps that explains why a man of average physical size was a football star who might have gone pro. Perhaps he also can summon the strength when great need, physical or emotional, is involved.

For instance, during college - when he tore off a car door and threw it in order to remove Audrey from their overturned car. She didn't like him being involved in violent sports. How would she feel if she learned he could tear through steel in the right circumstances? He faked a knee injury and seemingly repressed his memory of the incident because he didn't want to be anything but the nice, sweet guy Audrey loved.
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Postby MasterWhedon on Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:44 pm

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:Anna to get a back onna topic, eh? My problems with a the Unna'breakable, they are a numerous, eh? But a to just a name a the few...

Firstly, right offa the bat, you gotta the goddamn title screen that say something like "Every year, 17 million funny books, they sold inna the U.S., eh?" anna right there, inna the first 15 seconds of a the movie, you gotta alla the women inna the audience saying "holy crappa... you take a me to a the goddamn FUNNY BOOK a movie!?!?" Shyamalan, that putz, he alienates a half a the audience right there anna gets a the other half inna trouble with a their mates, thus impacting a the remaining enna'joyment of a the picture, eh?

Second, you gotta the Shyamalan, who knocked it outta the park onna his first outing with a the Sixth Sense, but he's a the goddamn one-trick pony, eh? He's a no Spielberg, that's a for sure... Unna'like a the Spielberg, he TELLS us everything inna the Unna'breakable, inna'stead of a showing us, eh?

For example, you gotta the Sammy J. character, anna through a the whole goddamn movie, he's a like a the goddamn Chatty-Cathy, "Joe Expository", no? Giving a the goddamn Bruce's character a the goddamn "Funny Books 101" lessons anna such, even a going so far as a to say "Look atta alla the super villians, eh? The artists, they draw them with a the big heads anna bulging eyes anna such, no?" as iffa we dinna notice that a the Sammy J, he's a gotta that crazy hair-do anna the bug-eyes, eh?

Anna then a you gotta the whole thing with a the water, no? Again, you gotta the Sammy J. saying "oh, the water, she's a like a your Kryptonite, eh? Alla the superheroes, they gotta the weakness, eh?" just inna case a we too stupid to figure it alla out, no? Anna then a we gotta to have a the Bruce say "hmm... when I was a the little kid, I alla'most drowned, eh? Anna I dinna bother to try anna swim ever again!!"

Compare that with a the Chief Brody inna the Jaws, eh? From a the very first a scene with a the character onna the ferry, we can a tell from a his body language anna actions, he donna like a the water, eh? Anna so' s a when a the character, they say "you donna like a the water, eh Chief?" atta that point, we alla'ready know it, eh? Anna the question, she becomes alla humorous a 'cos it's a the yokel-gag of a stating a the obvious inna'stead of a the goddamn expository dialog, no?

Third, once a the goddamn Shyamalan sets uppa the film with alla the expository dialog, he donna make a the biggest pay-off of alla, eh? He tell us plain anna simple that a the villian is a the EXACT OPPOSITE of a the hero, eh? Anna so while a the Bruce, he's unna'breakable, you gotta the Sammy J who's totally breakable, eh? With a the fragile anna brittle bones anna such... anna so's a the final pay-off, she would have a been after explaining a the Kryptonite deal with a the water, he should have a shown a the Sammy J. inna the swimming pool or a the therapy pool atta the hospital or a something, moving alla graceful anna flexible anna free inna the water, doing a the "hydro-weight" training anna such, a 'cos a the water, she is a the only place where his a bones, they donna break anna he can a do things inna the water he just a canna do onna land, eh? Inna the water, he has a the strength anna agility, no? Unna'like a the Bruce, who sink a like a the goddamn rock, no?

Fourth, you gotta the whole idea of a the adult man who dinna notice a before that he's a gotta the super-strength anna such ever before inna his a life? Holy crappa that premise, she is alla kinds of a the stupid, eh? Yes, yes, he says something like "I was alla'ways a the good athlete" anna such but holy crappa! The putz, he suddenly discovers as a the adult he can a bench a like a the 700 lbs with ease, no? You donna think he would have a discovered something like a that earlier inna his a life? Like a say, inna the workout room inna the gym a when he play a the football inna high school anna such?

Goddamn... I could a go on.... but I gotta to catch uppa onna the other threads, eh?

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Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:00 pm

DennisMM wrote:However, twice you have mentioned David Dunn's failure to notice his incredible strength earlier in his life. I'll posit that he may be able to use his strength to some degree when he unconsciously feels a need for it. Perhaps that explains why a man of average physical size was a football star who might have gone pro. Perhaps he also can summon the strength when great need, physical or emotional, is involved.

For instance, during college - when he tore off a car door and threw it in order to remove Audrey from their overturned car. She didn't like him being involved in violent sports. How would she feel if she learned he could tear through steel in the right circumstances? He faked a knee injury and seemingly repressed his memory of the incident because he didn't want to be anything but the nice, sweet guy Audrey loved.


Perhaps... but donna that a sound a like a the last-minute rewrite onna the set a 'cos a some gaffer, he say "how come he dinna notice a before a now that he gotta the super-strength, eh?"
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Postby TheBaxter on Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:02 pm

after reading dino's posts, i'm beginning to understand why this film always gets compared to Heroes.

except, i liked this movie anyway.
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Postby Chilli on Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:13 pm

Eh, I'm not sure Dino wants anyone to suddenly dislike the film, he's just pointing out that there ARE some flawed areas. And I, as I said earlier, think he's absolutely right. There's a few things that don't work within the film, a few things which haven't been included at all and a few more things that should have been removed in editing.

But I like it anyway.

I think the comic-book genre is so fantastical (even when attempts are made to make it 'realistic' like in Unbreakable and Heroes) that it can't ever hit a point of reality in the same way as other films. We'll always be questioning why characters do one thing instead of another, why it takes so long for their powers to activate, why they don't use them in certain situations etc, etc.

And its harder to nail the form in a film, because comic-books are traditionally led by exposition. Voiceover, narration, diary entries - these are techniques that (usually) work better within the realm of a comic-book than they do in a film, because in a comic-book you're getting a very specific view of a world, with no distractions save for what lies within the panel.

So a film aping a comic-book is going to get a lot of crap if it sticks too closely to the format (and, as mentioned, Unbreakable feels like an origin tale), but its going to get a lot of crap if they dare attempt to make it more gritty and realistic, because people are more capable of looking over flaws within a comic-book flick if said flick acknowledgs and embraces the goofy perception most of America has of the comic-book genre.

Certain things within the film are true to life of comic-books, the readers of which will buy toxic waste being able to give superhuman powers without batting an eyelid. But you can't do that on film, because its dramatic bullshit and has no scientific merit or value, instead being an impossible concept which acted out doesn't work for anyone.

We have an interesting debate going on in the Batman: Dark Knight thread in regards to how logical the vapor machine is from the original. In the comic-books, people may take offence but it wouldn't cause as visceral a reaction. On screen its harder to rationalise, as is the fatc that Niki on Heroes doesn't automatically embrace her ability, or embrace it at all realy, people complaining because she should be kicking ass by now.

Its a case of film, and TV, being damned if they do and damned if they don't when it comes to comic-book properties, which is a little sad when you think about it because comic-books have some of the best properties (in terms of films and the comic-books you can purchase from many a store) out there.

In short, I don't think Dino's points are wrong. They're right. But I also think people who aren't into comic-books will not be able to rationalise certain plot twists to the same extent as people who are, because the people who are into them have a certain understanding of what the form demands, and can (somewhat) accept that when its translated onto screen.

That's my (longer than) two cents anyway.
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Postby Fawst on Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:26 pm

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:Anna therefore my opinion, she is inna'valid? Goddamn putz.


In my opinion, your opinion sucks.

Just kidding, seriously. I wasn't trying to say your opinion was invalid, silly old man. It's pretty unique, like I said, no one else has ever brought that up before.

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:You miss a my point enna'tirely, paisan. I dinna say just a "something" about a the Sammy J inna the water, eh? I was a giving a yet a the 'nother example of a the rampant exposition inna the film inna'stead of a the filming of a the simple scene which would have eloquently 'splained a the "villian is a the opposite of a the hero" inna the cinematic way as opposed to a the goddamn expository way, eh? It's a not a the matter of a seeing how a the goddamn bones, they brittle, eh? It's alla 'bout a showing that a the water is a the bad for a the hero anna good for a the villian, eh?

Goddamn putz.


Well, when you put it that way, bravo. Makes perfect sense.

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DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:Bruce Willis lifted a lot of weight, why didn't he before?


Goddamn... atta least a give a me a the respect of a quoting my comments inna'stead of a the goddamn paraphrasing, eh? The Dino, he donna just a do this:

Fawst wrote:Nothing of a significance a 'cos he's a too blinded by his a love for a the film a to accept a the truth, eh?


LOL! Come on, surely you saw that I was trying to conserve space? Your post was huge, I was trying to save time :) But no, in this case, I'm not blinded by love for the film "to accept the truth." We just disagree on this one. Princess Bride? Yah, maybe I'm blinded on that one, and I'll admit the possibility.

Don't worry, your opinion is still valid... even after all these years... these loooooong, endless years...

Maybe I need to watch this one again, it has been years.
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Postby Evil Hobbit on Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:02 pm

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:Compare that with a the Chief Brody inna the Jaws, eh? From a the very first a scene with a the character onna the ferry, we can a tell from a his body language anna actions, he donna like a the water, eh? Anna so' s a when a the character, they say "you donna like a the water, eh Chief?" atta that point, we alla'ready know it, eh? Anna the question, she becomes alla humorous a 'cos it's a the yokel-gag of a stating a the obvious inna'stead of a the goddamn expository dialog, no?


Yes, Jaws is the quintessential example of classic restrained storytelling, unlike the one piece robot Kong with endless expositionary scenes.
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Postby Theta on Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:37 pm

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:Anna to get a back onna topic, eh? My problems with a the Unna'breakable, they are a numerous, eh? But a to just a name a the few...

Firstly, right offa the bat, you gotta the goddamn title screen that say something like "Every year, 17 million funny books, they sold inna the U.S., eh?" anna right there, inna the first 15 seconds of a the movie, you gotta alla the women inna the audience saying "holy crappa... you take a me to a the goddamn FUNNY BOOK a movie!?!?" Shyamalan, that putz, he alienates a half a the audience right there anna gets a the other half inna trouble with a their mates, thus impacting a the remaining enna'joyment of a the picture, eh?

Second, you gotta the Shyamalan, who knocked it outta the park onna his first outing with a the Sixth Sense, but he's a the goddamn one-trick pony, eh? He's a no Spielberg, that's a for sure... Unna'like a the Spielberg, he TELLS us everything inna the Unna'breakable, inna'stead of a showing us, eh?

For example, you gotta the Sammy J. character, anna through a the whole goddamn movie, he's a like a the goddamn Chatty-Cathy, "Joe Expository", no? Giving a the goddamn Bruce's character a the goddamn "Funny Books 101" lessons anna such, even a going so far as a to say "Look atta alla the super villians, eh? The artists, they draw them with a the big heads anna bulging eyes anna such, no?" as iffa we dinna notice that a the Sammy J, he's a gotta that crazy hair-do anna the bug-eyes, eh?

Anna then a you gotta the whole thing with a the water, no? Again, you gotta the Sammy J. saying "oh, the water, she's a like a your Kryptonite, eh? Alla the superheroes, they gotta the weakness, eh?" just inna case a we too stupid to figure it alla out, no? Anna then a we gotta to have a the Bruce say "hmm... when I was a the little kid, I alla'most drowned, eh? Anna I dinna bother to try anna swim ever again!!"

Compare that with a the Chief Brody inna the Jaws, eh? From a the very first a scene with a the character onna the ferry, we can a tell from a his body language anna actions, he donna like a the water, eh? Anna so' s a when a the character, they say "you donna like a the water, eh Chief?" atta that point, we alla'ready know it, eh? Anna the question, she becomes alla humorous a 'cos it's a the yokel-gag of a stating a the obvious inna'stead of a the goddamn expository dialog, no?

Third, once a the goddamn Shyamalan sets uppa the film with alla the expository dialog, he donna make a the biggest pay-off of alla, eh? He tell us plain anna simple that a the villian is a the EXACT OPPOSITE of a the hero, eh? Anna so while a the Bruce, he's unna'breakable, you gotta the Sammy J who's totally breakable, eh? With a the fragile anna brittle bones anna such... anna so's a the final pay-off, she would have a been after explaining a the Kryptonite deal with a the water, he should have a shown a the Sammy J. inna the swimming pool or a the therapy pool atta the hospital or a something, moving alla graceful anna flexible anna free inna the water, doing a the "hydro-weight" training anna such, a 'cos a the water, she is a the only place where his a bones, they donna break anna he can a do things inna the water he just a canna do onna land, eh? Inna the water, he has a the strength anna agility, no? Unna'like a the Bruce, who sink a like a the goddamn rock, no?

Fourth, you gotta the whole idea of a the adult man who dinna notice a before that he's a gotta the super-strength anna such ever before inna his a life? Holy crappa that premise, she is alla kinds of a the stupid, eh? Yes, yes, he says something like "I was alla'ways a the good athlete" anna such but holy crappa! The putz, he suddenly discovers as a the adult he can a bench a like a the 700 lbs with ease, no? You donna think he would have a discovered something like a that earlier inna his a life? Like a say, inna the workout room inna the gym a when he play a the football inna high school anna such?


Some of these are valid points, actually. While I love the movie, I don't think it's perfect, just great, and I can definitely see how if you're not into comic books in the first place you might get a little alienated.

As for that last one, though, I do have to point out that if you've ever actually lifted weights, you don't gun for your peak, you gun for what's challenging, so you don't kill yourself. In the scene where we see him lifting those heavy weights, he can DO it, but he's putting a lot of effort into it, which I happen to think is a nice touch.

That first paragraph, though...

Firstly, right offa the bat, you gotta the goddamn title screen that say something like "Every year, 17 million funny books, they sold inna the U.S., eh?" anna right there, inna the first 15 seconds of a the movie, you gotta alla the women inna the audience saying "holy crappa... you take a me to a the goddamn FUNNY BOOK a movie!?!?" Shyamalan, that putz, he alienates a half a the audience right there anna gets a the other half inna trouble with a their mates, thus impacting a the remaining enna'joyment of a the picture, eh?


You call THIS a criticism of the film? Sorry Dino, but I'm afraid in this, at least you are full of...

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Postby Pacino86845 on Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:18 pm

TheBaxter wrote:i just realized something. M Night must have something against water. Unbreakable = superhero guy who's weakness is water. Signs = aliens allergic to water. Lady in the Water = shitty film. i guess night doesn't like to go swimming very much.


Actually that's one of his signatures, weakness/fear relating to water, which I believe stems from a near-drowning experience M Night had earlier in his life.
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Postby DennisMM on Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:25 pm

Wikipedia wrote:Sci Fi Channel hoax

In 2004, Shyamalan was involved in a media hoax with the Sci Fi Channel, which when eventually uncovered by the press, prompted Sci Fi's parent company, NBC-Universal, to denounce the undertaking as "not consistent with our policy at NBC. We would never intend to offend the public or the press and we value our relationship with both."[36]

Sci Fi claimed in its "documentary" special — The Buried Secret of M. Night Shyamalan, shot on the set of The Village — that Shyamalan was legally dead for nearly a half-hour while drowned in a frozen pond in a childhood accident, and that upon being rescued he had experiences of communicating with spirits, fueling an obsession with the supernatural. The Sci Fi Channel also claimed that Shyamalan had grown "sour" when the "documentary" filmmakers' questions got too personal, and had therefore withdrawn from participating and threatened to sue the filmmakers.

In truth, Shyamalan developed the hoax with Sci Fi, going so far as having Sci Fi staffers sign non-disclosure agreements with a $5-million fine attached and requiring Shyamalan's office to formally approve each step. Neither the childhood accident nor the supposed rift with the filmmakers ever occurred. The hoax included a non-existent Sci Fi publicist, "David Westover", whose name appeared on press releases regarding the special. Sci Fi also fed false news stories to the Associated Press[37] and Zap2It.com,[38] among others. A New York Post news item, based on a Sci Fi press release, referred to Shyamalan's attorneys threatening to sue the filmmakers; the attorneys named were non-existent.

After an AP reporter confronted Sci Fi Channel president Bonnie Hammer at a press conference, Hammer admitted the hoax, saying it was part of a guerrilla marketing campaign to generate pre-release publicity for The Village. Despite his office's disclosure-agreement requirement and approvals of each marketing step, Shyamalan told the AP, "I was, of course, involved in the production of the special but had nothing to do with the marketing of it. If the Sci Fi Channel erred in their marketing strategy, it was totally out of enthusiasm."[36] Other critics have since deemed viewers to be victim of a somewhat 'cheap' promotional trick which went too far[39].
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Postby Pacino86845 on Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:30 pm

Well so much for that then... but I hadn't heard all that supernatural mumbo jumbo, just that he'd had an accident as a child.
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Postby DennisMM on Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:14 am

Seeing the quote there now, it seems sort of intrusive and rude, more a rebuttal than sharing information. I'm sorry if it came across that way, Pacino.
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Unbreakable - Now with PWNAGE by the Dino!

Postby bastard_robo on Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:59 am

Unbreakable is M. night's best film... EVER!

Its a great charecter piece and I watche it when ever possible.

Go on then, bitch away! BUT THE MOVIE IS A FANTASTIC WORK OF ART!


and it was the movie that convinced me that M Night could do no wrong...



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Postby DennisMM on Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:16 am

I located the earlier version of the script I've mentioned several times. It's dated 10/8/99, thirteen months before the release. It opens with Elijah's birth, not the title cards about comic books. Here is how it ends.

M. Night Shyamalan wrote:Elijah looks down at the newspaper.

David hesitates and then reaches forward.

He reaches past the paper... And TOUCHES ELIJAH'S ARM.

FLASHCUT: AN AIRPORT GATE. ELIJAH IS STANDING AT THE WINDOW LOOKING OUT ONTO THE
AIRFIELD. HE'S CRYING.

SIRENS START SOUNDING THROUGHOUT THE AIRPORT.

WAITING PASSENGERS START GETTING UP AND MOVING TO THE WINDOWS.

MAN
What's going on?

Elijah speaks to no one in particular as he stares out the window with tortured
eyes.

ELIJAH
A plane just crashed.

CUT TO:

FLASH CUT: ELIJAH AND AN ELDERLY MAN IN A UNIFORM ARE SEATED IN A HOTEL BAR.

ELDERLY MAN
I've worked here twenty-five
years. I know all its
secrets.

ELIJAH
Secrets?

ELDERLY MAN(whispers)
Like if there was ever a
fire on floors one, two, or
three... Everyone in this
hotel would be burned alive.

ELIJAH LOOKS UP FROM HIS DRINK.

CUT TO:

FLASHCUT: ELIJAH LEAVES THE ENGINEERING ROOM OF AN AMTRAK TRAIN. HE PASSES THE
ENGINEER WHO HAS JUST ARRIVED WITH COFFEE.

ENGINEER
Passengers aren't allowed in
there.

Elijah doesn't answer and doesn't turn around as he exits train 177.

SLAM CUT BACK TO PRESENT:

David takes two unsteady steps back. Elijah has tears in his eyes as he gazes
down at the newspaper. He looks up to David.

ELIJAH(low voice)
I almost gave up hope. There
were so many times I
questioned myself. I've made
so many sacrifices but it's
all been worth it.
(beat)
There are millions and
millions or mediocre people
in the world David. Isn't it
great that we aren't one of
them?

David looks like he stopped breathing as he backs up in the store.

Customers step between him and Elijah. Elijah becomes obscured and then blocked
from view.

CUT TO:

EXT. STREET - DAY

David emerges from the store slowly. He braces himself against a parked car and then keeps on walking in a nightmarish daze.

WE PULL BACK as David Dunne blends in with dozens and dozens of ordinary people, walking on an ordinary street, in an ordinary city.

FADE TO BLACK:


Oh, and Dino?

M. Night Shyamalan wrote:THE FACE OF A TWENTY YEAR OLD MEGAN IS UPSIDE DOWN. She is unconscious.

DAVID
Megan...

She doesn't answer. Her body is twitching as it sits pinned behind the wheel.

David pulls at the handle of the mangled door. It's wedged tight. It won't move.

The heat from the fire is tremendous.

David's powerful arms keep pulling with all their strength.

WE HEAR THE CREAK OF METAL... THE DOOR BENDS UNNATURALLY AND THEN PRACTICALLY
RIPS OPEN.

David leans into the car and unbuckles Megan. He works her out underneath the
steering column. He slides out. Her leg is bleeding.
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Postby minstrel on Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:28 am

The Dino made one point I wondered about when I saw the film. How does a guy grow to adulthood and Bruce Willis's age without knowing that he has superpowers? Without knowing that he's unusually strong, or that he never gets injured even when he's in dangerous situations?

The old "I'm just lucky, I guess" argument doesn't wash.

And how 'bout being able to read people's minds by touching them? He wouldn't notice that that's a bit unusual?

I'm all for suspension of disbelief, but sometimes Shyamalan asks us to suspend massive tonnages of disbelief, and my disbelief-suspending muscles just aren't up to it.
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