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ALICE IN WONDERLAND - Finally, a sequel remake thing!

Postby wharto on Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:42 pm

Has anyone considered doing a live action version of Alice In Wonderland?
If not why, why not?
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Postby Shane on Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:43 pm

umm

yeah it's been done alot.
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Postby wharto on Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:46 pm

I mean an updated version.
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Postby Tyrone_Shoelaces on Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:47 pm

After the musical porn version done in the 70s I think the film industry felt that there was nothing else that could be done with (or to) Alice.

Yes, I said musical porn.
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Postby CthulhuKid on Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:01 pm

Tyrone_Shoelaces Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:47 pm Post subject:

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After the musical porn version done in the 70s I think the film industry felt that there was nothing else that could be done with (or to) Alice.


As well they should. :-)

And they're working on an adaptation of the Video Game, American McGee's Alice. Although, I believe that is going to be Computer Animated.
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Postby ONeillSG1 on Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:04 pm

Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:After the musical porn version done in the 70s I think the film industry felt that there was nothing else that could be done with (or to) Alice.

Yes, I said musical porn.


The Mad Hatter was casted brilliantly.

Good film. Good film.
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Postby Shane on Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:05 pm

they just did one with Martin Short and Whoopie Goldberg.

I think i'd rather see That McGee or whatever his name is version. Where it's all dark and twisted.
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Postby ThisIsTheGirl on Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:05 pm

There was one not too long ago - Alice in Wonderland, but I don't think it was very good.

There was a TV version of the sequel, too - which was a bit better
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Postby Ribbons on Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:50 pm

Actually there was news about Leslie Bohem ("Taken") writing and directing two Alice in Wonderland movies with Dakota Fanning, with El Spielbergo producing. That was at least a year or so ago now though, so I don't know what happened with that.
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Postby Shane on Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:38 pm

I hope not I'm tired of Dakota Fanning in Everything. I love Man on Fire, and she is good, but there are other actresses out there. And goodones we shoudl give a chance.
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Postby The Garbage Man on Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:17 pm

Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:After the musical porn version done in the 70s I think the film industry felt that there was nothing else that could be done with (or to) Alice.

Yes, I said musical porn.


Phillipa Boyens wrote: "I know I shouldn't say this, but when other directors see the 70's musical porn version of Alice in Wonderland, they're going to f---ing give up."
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Postby buster00 on Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:22 pm

I'd been wondering what happened to the "American McGee's Alice" project. That would kick about twenty, thirty different kinds of ass.
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Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:28 pm

Tell me more about this Alice in Wonderland Porn Movie.

Te idea of what the Mad Hatter would do to Alice in her blue and white dress and prim and proper Britishness sounds so un PC that it just HAS to happen.

Also what the midget munchkins would do, and the White Rabbit, and those card thingemeebob human things. That could be quite interesting. I'm sure a grown up Alice would be well up for it.

Sounds so - surreal.
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Postby Shane on Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:30 pm

buster00 wrote:I'd been wondering what happened to the "American McGee's Alice" project. That would kick about twenty, thirty different kinds of ass.


yeah that's the one I'm talking about.

That's what I want to see
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Postby ONeillSG1 on Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:35 pm

Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Tell me more about this Alice in Wonderland Porn Movie.

Te idea of what the Mad Hatter would do to Alice in her blue and white dress and prim and proper Britishness sounds so un PC that it just HAS to happen.

Also what the midget munchkins would do, and the White Rabbit, and those card thingemeebob human things. That could be quite interesting. I'm sure a grown up Alice would be well up for it.

Sounds so - surreal.


It was.

Google Kristine DeBell. You'll understand.

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Hello, Bunny!

Postby Cabiria on Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:50 am

Whilst I can't help with the porn Alice (although I am intrigued) there was a fantastically bizarre live action/stop motion Alice from Czech master Jan Svankmajer called Neco z Alenky. It's not the easiest version of the tale to slog through (and not really any sort of accurate Alice), but there are some truly grotesque and interesting moments in that one. The March Hare losing his stuffing, jam filled with nails, socks turning into caterpillars, Alice's hair catching on fire- yeah, it's a wacky one, all right.

Has anyone else seen this one?
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Re: Hello, Bunny!

Postby colonel_lugz on Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:52 am

Cabiria wrote:Whilst I can't help with the porn Alice (although I am intrigued) there was a fantastically bizarre live action/stop motion Alice from Czech master Jan Svankmajer called Neco z Alenky. It's not the easiest version of the tale to slog through (and not really any sort of accurate Alice), but there are some truly grotesque and interesting moments in that one. The March Hare losing his stuffing, jam filled with nails, socks turning into caterpillars, Alice's hair catching on fire- yeah, it's a wacky one, all right.

Has anyone else seen this one?


Ive actually seen that, my mate has loads of TV recorded from the late eighties, we were trauling through old christmas shows and that popped up, truly terrifying
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Postby DennisMM on Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:01 am

I first saw the Kristine DeBell version first in its original theatrical cut, which was softcore, then on video in the "recovered" hardcore version.

It was the only hardcore DeBell ever did, I believe. She didn't do much nudity, either, which makes Alice really something.
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Postby Tyrone_Shoelaces on Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:52 am

If you're looking for more Kristine DeBell nudie stuff check out Cheerleaders' Wild Weekend. No singing or hardcore action but there is plenty of kidnapped cheerleaders taking their clothes off. There's one scene where their captors are making them parade around in some bizarre best body contest and the camera does this weird pan-slash-tilt where you can see the lights and ceiling of the studio. Imagine my surprise that they could afford to shoot in a studio.
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:33 am

I had this live action TV version on tape when I was a kid, came out in 1985...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000006G3U/002-2178482-8950414?v=glance
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Postby MondoMan on Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:18 pm

I think the #1 movie that needs to be made into live action "pronto" has to be THE HOBBIT.

C'mmon, is there any chance (as long as Petey is still the man behind the direction) that it could not be great???
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Postby colonel_lugz on Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:21 pm

you know there arent many women in tolkiens The Hobbit or is that what you're after??
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Postby The Garbage Man on Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:40 pm

He said "pronto," not "porno."
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Postby colonel_lugz on Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:02 am

havent got my glasses on, sorry
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Postby Lord Voldemoo on Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:30 am

that was hilarious...
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Re: Hello, Bunny!

Postby BabiesCoffin on Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:48 pm

Cabiria wrote:Whilst I can't help with the porn Alice (although I am intrigued) there was a fantastically bizarre live action/stop motion Alice from Czech master Jan Svankmajer called Neco z Alenky. It's not the easiest version of the tale to slog through (and not really any sort of accurate Alice), but there are some truly grotesque and interesting moments in that one. The March Hare losing his stuffing, jam filled with nails, socks turning into caterpillars, Alice's hair catching on fire- yeah, it's a wacky one, all right.

Has anyone else seen this one?



I love that version. I have it on DVD somewhere around here. Im gonna have to watch that tonight.
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Postby tangerine on Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:53 am

Two nights ago I was sitting at home with my fantasy freak friend, puffing the dragon whilst discussing upcoming fantasy films. (NOT very keen on Beowulf and the appalling performance capture, btw!) And we got talking about Alice in Wonderland, and how those kinds of films are really on the board right now, and someone should get onto a remake asap. We were discussing Johnny Depp and Tim Burton, and how even if Burton can get a little bit too witty for his own good, he would probably be the ideal prospective director. And two minutes ago I was reading the AICN headlines, and lo and behold, Walt Disney Studios have just announced a Burton/Alice in Wonderland deal. Again, not hot for the perfomance capture, but we can only hope it will look different to what Zemeckis could put together. Hopefully this will be as dark and amazing as it has potential to be.
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Postby thebostonlocksmith on Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:07 am

Yeah i like the idea of this too, i know people have been saying that some new films like Pan's Labyrinth and Stardust are fairytales for grown ups, but i feel that Tim Burton has done that for most of his films... This will be good...

Didn't ever hear too much about the 'Queen of hearts' film that was supposed to be made by Marilyn Manson though...
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Postby LaDracul on Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:23 am

Or that one that had Marilyn Manson AS the Queen of Hearts...

I just hope this will be better than Halmi's overdone production.
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Postby thebostonlocksmith on Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:22 am

king_of_nowhere wrote:Manson's film turned into Phantasmagoria: The visions of Lewis Carroll


That certainly looks 'interesting', that could actually be alright... it may prove not to be though... Thanks for the heads up...
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Postby LaDracul on Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:45 am

Is this the same one with Nia Vardolos we're talking about?
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Postby HollywoodBabylon on Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:40 am

Burton (or Gilliam for that matter) is a ripe choice for an Alice remake - however the definitive version has long already been made and will never be surpassed: Jan Svankmajer's Alice. No other filmmaker will ever better that.
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Postby colonel_lugz on Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:51 am

A decent Alice remake with Burton at the helm could be outstanding. Adults themes and a ton of creepyness. Colour me enthused
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Finally - ALICE IN WONDERLAND - a decent remake!

Postby bastard_robo on Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:53 am

HollywoodBabylon wrote:Burton (or Gilliam for that matter) is a ripe choice for an Alice remake - however the definitive version has long already been made and will never be surpassed: Jan Svankmajer's Alice. No other filmmaker will ever better that.


I own that movie... Its visually appealing but very odd for even an alice story.
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Re: Finally - ALICE IN WONDERLAND - a decent remake!

Postby HollywoodBabylon on Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:54 pm

bastard_robo wrote:
HollywoodBabylon wrote:Burton (or Gilliam for that matter) is a ripe choice for an Alice remake - however the definitive version has long already been made and will never be surpassed: Jan Svankmajer's Alice. No other filmmaker will ever better that.


I own that movie... Its visually appealing but very odd for even an alice story.


In the spirit though of Carroll's surrealist masterpiece.
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Postby bastard_robo on Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:14 pm

HollywoodBabylon wrote:
bastard_robo wrote:
HollywoodBabylon wrote:Burton (or Gilliam for that matter) is a ripe choice for an Alice remake - however the definitive version has long already been made and will never be surpassed: Jan Svankmajer's Alice. No other filmmaker will ever better that.


I own that movie... Its visually appealing but very odd for even an alice story.


In the spirit though of Carroll's surrealist masterpiece.


True, when you dont look at the story as a social satire... or a look into religion.
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Postby Tyrone_Shoelaces on Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:24 pm

The musical porn version of Alice was pretty surreal on a whole different level.
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Postby LaDracul on Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:01 pm

There were two I liked aside from Disney's cartoon (And even though he dislikes cute, the studio will probably demand elements from their cartoon in it)-

One was the miniseries on CBS which starred Natalie Gregory (Anyone know what she's doing now? I hope she didn't do anything stupid like overdose...) and had people like Anthony Newly, Scott Baio, and Sammy Davis Jr. in it, and the other is a British-produced one of "Through the Looking Glass" with Kate Beckinsale as Alice, Ian Holm, and Steve Coogan. (I really like the second one, very arty.)
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Postby Fievel on Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:09 pm

....and then there's the American McGee version with Sarah Michelle Gellar if that ever gets made.
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Postby King Of Nowhere on Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:14 pm

Hasn't American McGee's Alice been in some stage of production for like 8 years or so?

I remember back when the game came out the reviewers were like "The screenplay has already been sold so expect to see it in theaters by the end of next year".
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Finally - ALICE IN WONDERLAND - a decent remake!

Postby bastard_robo on Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:56 pm

LaDracul wrote:There were two I liked aside from Disney's cartoon (And even though he dislikes cute, the studio will probably demand elements from their cartoon in it)-

One was the miniseries on CBS which starred Natalie Gregory (Anyone know what she's doing now? I hope she didn't do anything stupid like overdose...) and had people like Anthony Newly, Scott Baio, and Sammy Davis Jr. in it, and the other is a British-produced one of "Through the Looking Glass" with Kate Beckinsale as Alice, Ian Holm, and Steve Coogan. (I really like the second one, very arty.)



I grew up on that Sammy Davis Jr one.

Loved it. Just so wonderfully odd! Not to mention that its the only that I've ever seen to feature the Jabberwocky predominatly.
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Postby LaDracul on Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:53 am

Oh, speaking of that, an episode of "The Muppet Show" with Brooke Shields acting out the story with the Muppets. They do have the Jabberwocky in that one, as she reads the poem and has no idea what's going on behind her. Unfortunately, no YouTube clips, and they haven't gotten to that season on DVD. But, here's the Muppet Wiki entry.

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Postby papalazeru on Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:00 pm

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Postby tangerine on Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:22 am

Cheers papz. Tange is back in the house. Expect dirt, gossip, shit posts and drunken rambling.

Anyway, I just hope that Disney won't have too much of a say in the production, and that Burton won't put too much of his over-the-top wittiness (as seen in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory) in there. Apparently it's only "based" on the book, whatever that means.

By the way, doesn't Burton hate Disney? I thought he slaved for them for years, making stupid animations he couldn't care less for whilst building up a hate for the whole company and simultaneously trying to make it in the business. Oh well. Films bring people together.

(Or, imho, tear them apart, violently. At least making them.)
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Postby Chairman Kaga on Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:28 am

tangerine wrote:By the way, doesn't Burton hate Disney? I thought he slaved for them for years, making stupid animations he couldn't care less for whilst building up a hate for the whole company and simultaneously trying to make it in the business.

Not at all. He didn't like the process of animating but I never read anywhere that he hated the company. He was hardly "slaving" away at films for them only working as an animator for a few years.
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Postby tangerine on Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:29 am

Oh ok, I read his biography and I was sure I had read something similar in it, but I must have misunderstood it then.
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Postby Chairman Kaga on Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:31 am

Who knows though...Maybe he did but I'm sure the recent major changes in Disney brought him back. If I'm not mistaken he went to school at Cal Arts with John Lasseter and Brad Bird (even working on Family Dog for Bird).
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Postby RogueScribner on Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:20 pm

Plus he made Ed Wood, The Nightmare Before Christmas, Cabin Boy, and James and the Giant Peach for Disney already.
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