AtomicHyperbole wrote:Retardo_Montalban wrote:Atomic, the actual merits of each film isn't going to be decided on how many post you can make with volatile and insulting remarks, but on that snazzy little poll sitting on the top of this page. Maybe you might want to focus your posts into illuminating the positive qualities of Temple of Doom instead of trying to tell people that they're personal individual opinions are wrong, because right now The Last Crusade has shoved the Holy Grail all the way up The Temple of Doom's ass.
Lots of people can like an average film, otherwise shit like Transformer's wouldn't be popular. Popular means better? I think not.
I've already banged on about TOD's strong points earlier. Mebbe I'm currently the lone, vocal voice in the case of the defence... but I'm standing ground against ignorance here. Someone has to, for the sake of your wiltering tastes.
Retardo_Montalban wrote:Films like Transformers usually have big opening weekends and make tons of money, but don't ever stand the test of time. After 6 months people usually make tons of fun of how embarrassing the movies are. The Last Crusade was made 19 years ago and is still loved by many. I think you should apologize for comparing it to Transformers. That is just mean.
Fried Gold wrote:AtomicHyperbole wrote:Retardo_Montalban wrote:Atomic, the actual merits of each film isn't going to be decided on how many post you can make with volatile and insulting remarks, but on that snazzy little poll sitting on the top of this page. Maybe you might want to focus your posts into illuminating the positive qualities of Temple of Doom instead of trying to tell people that they're personal individual opinions are wrong, because right now The Last Crusade has shoved the Holy Grail all the way up The Temple of Doom's ass.
Lots of people can like an average film, otherwise shit like Transformer's wouldn't be popular. Popular means better? I think not.
I've already banged on about TOD's strong points earlier. Mebbe I'm currently the lone, vocal voice in the case of the defence... but I'm standing ground against ignorance here. Someone has to, for the sake of your wiltering tastes.
Remember...no hate, just debate...
How do you like them sankara stones, you TODler ho-bag.
Debate that, then go watch King Soloman's Mines.
RogueScribner wrote:
I agree, but I made the point that after Daddy Jones was rescued, Indy and he could have simply went home and it wouldn't have mattered. The cup would still be safe. They didn't NEED to go after it. They did so under the false belief that the cup was in danger, but it never was.
In Raiders, the Ark weilded real power and eventually the Nazis would have found it, so there was a need to get there first.
What kind of adventure is based upon false assumptions that the world is in danger? The lame kind.
Retardo_Montalban wrote:RogueScribne r wrote:
I agree, but I made the point that after Daddy Jones was rescued, Indy and he could have simply went home and it wouldn't have mattered. The cup would still be safe. They didn't NEED to go after it. They did so under the false belief that the cup was in danger, but it never was.
In Raiders, the Ark weilded real power and eventually the Nazis would have found it, so there was a need to get there first.
What kind of adventure is based upon false assumptions that the world is in danger? The lame kind.
What if Hitler got the cup and used it to live for another 50 years of ethnic cleansing?
I know the circumstances in the 2 movies were different, as The Last Crusade had Indy more of an enabler of evil than an opposer. If Indy wasn't there the Nazis probably would have never reached the cup. I liked that part of the story though. To know that Indy is human and flawed and will sacrifice the world and put great power into the hands of evil, just for acknowledgement from his father.
AtomicHyperbole wrote:Retardo_Montalban wrote:Films like Transformers usually have big opening weekends and make tons of money, but don't ever stand the test of time. After 6 months people usually make tons of fun of how embarrassing the movies are. The Last Crusade was made 19 years ago and is still loved by many. I think you should apologize for comparing it to Transformers. That is just mean.
No, I think it's justified. You're assuming the 12 year old kids won't love that film in the future like many love Transformers The Move now.
If you want to argue popular = better, go ahead, but you know deep down it's a weak argument...
Was RTS as popular as either sequel? I reckon it should've been.
Retardo_Montalban wrote:RogueScribne r wrote:
I agree, but I made the point that after Daddy Jones was rescued, Indy and he could have simply went home and it wouldn't have mattered. The cup would still be safe. They didn't NEED to go after it. They did so under the false belief that the cup was in danger, but it never was.
In Raiders, the Ark weilded real power and eventually the Nazis would have found it, so there was a need to get there first.
What kind of adventure is based upon false assumptions that the world is in danger? The lame kind.
What if Hitler got the cup and used it to live for another 50 years of ethnic cleansing?
I know the circumstances in the 2 movies were different, as The Last Crusade had Indy more of an enabler of evil than an opposer. If Indy wasn't there the Nazis probably would have never reached the cup. I liked that part of the story though. To know that Indy is human and flawed and will sacrifice the world and put great power into the hands of evil, just for acknowledgement from his father.
papalazeru wrote:AtomicHyperbole wrote:Retardo_Montalban wrote:Films like Transformers usually have big opening weekends and make tons of money, but don't ever stand the test of time. After 6 months people usually make tons of fun of how embarrassing the movies are. The Last Crusade was made 19 years ago and is still loved by many. I think you should apologize for comparing it to Transformers. That is just mean.
No, I think it's justified. You're assuming the 12 year old kids won't love that film in the future like many love Transformers The Move now.
If you want to argue popular = better, go ahead, but you know deep down it's a weak argument...
Was RTS as popular as either sequel? I reckon it should've been.
Jewel of the Nile actually portrayed a better Indian villain and good guy, far more realistic and in line with Bollywood Villains. I liked it alot. It developed the characters and the story very well. Maybe a trilogy is in order.
Fried Gold wrote:AtomicHyperbole wrote:Retardo_Montalban wrote:Atomic, the actual merits of each film isn't going to be decided on how many post you can make with volatile and insulting remarks, but on that snazzy little poll sitting on the top of this page. Maybe you might want to focus your posts into illuminating the positive qualities of Temple of Doom instead of trying to tell people that they're personal individual opinions are wrong, because right now The Last Crusade has shoved the Holy Grail all the way up The Temple of Doom's ass.
Lots of people can like an average film, otherwise shit like Transformer's wouldn't be popular. Popular means better? I think not.
I've already banged on about TOD's strong points earlier. Mebbe I'm currently the lone, vocal voice in the case of the defence... but I'm standing ground against ignorance here. Someone has to, for the sake of your wiltering tastes.
Remember...no hate, just debate...
How do you like them sankara stones, you TODler ho-bag.
Debate that, then go watch King Soloman's Mines.
RogueScribner wrote:Retardo_Montalba n wrote:RogueScribne r wrote:
I agree, but I made the point that after Daddy Jones was rescued, Indy and he could have simply went home and it wouldn't have mattered. The cup would still be safe. They didn't NEED to go after it. They did so under the false belief that the cup was in danger, but it never was.
In Raiders, the Ark weilded real power and eventually the Nazis would have found it, so there was a need to get there first.
What kind of adventure is based upon false assumptions that the world is in danger? The lame kind.
What if Hitler got the cup and used it to live for another 50 years of ethnic cleansing?
I know the circumstances in the 2 movies were different, as The Last Crusade had Indy more of an enabler of evil than an opposer. If Indy wasn't there the Nazis probably would have never reached the cup. I liked that part of the story though. To know that Indy is human and flawed and will sacrifice the world and put great power into the hands of evil, just for acknowledgement from his father.
Wow, that really doesn't paint Indy in a good light does it? Unlike ToD where despite his shortcomings he actually did something good.
The Vicar wrote:I'm afraid those days are in the rear view mirror.......
Retardo_Montalban wrote:The Vicar wrote:I'm afraid those days are in the rear view mirror.......
Vic, you are one calm, collected, sonofabitch. It's funny how you can summarize a whole encompassing idea into a single witty one liner.
AtomicHyperbole wrote:HOW is the Ark worthless? It can decimate an entire army with Gods power! Jesus, that's DANGEROUS! It's worth shitloads more than a crappy cup that can only move and deliver immortality by a few meters and an old man who's sitting in a cave.
Retardo_Montalban wrote:Historical and monetary value aside, The holy grail can cure the sick, heal mortal wounds and I don't think its power is only relegated to the cave it sits in or else it wouldn't really need a billion year old Knight to guard it.
Chairman Kaga wrote:Retardo_Montalban wrote:Historical and monetary value aside, The holy grail can cure the sick, heal mortal wounds and I don't think its power is only relegated to the cave it sits in or else it wouldn't really need a billion year old Knight to guard it.
The knight wasn't guarding it, he couldn't leave. He even says he has to drink from it daily to stay immortal.
Peven wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:I thought the Sub did submerge?
which is less cartoony how?
Chairman Kaga wrote:Peven wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:I thought the Sub did submerge?
which is less cartoony how?
I didn't mean it was. You want cartoony you should see the production art in the Lucasfilms archive book of the cyborg Nazi. If I could w I would scan it.
Peven wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:Peven wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:I thought the Sub did submerge?
which is less cartoony how?
I didn't mean it was. You want cartoony you should see the production art in the Lucasfilms archive book of the cyborg Nazi. If I could w I would scan it.
cyborg Nazis?? cool beans. sounds like a great challenge for Indy, or Captain America, whoever happened to take the call..........
Quint wrote:TEMPLE OF DOOM is a different kind of film, going in a completely different direction. It’s a movie of opposites. Willie Scott is the opposite of Marion. The Thugee cult is a completely different baddie than the Nazis. The tone is at once much darker and much campier.
LAST CRUSADE is the most emotional film, without a doubt. It gets a little silly, but I loved it as a kid. I think it was smart making the central relationship in the third film a father/son relationship and not a romantic relationship. Up until CRYSTAL SKULL it felt the most removed from the original RAIDERS.
KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL is a fun movie, it is a good movie, it is Indiana Jones, but it feels more in spirit with LAST CRUSADE than RAIDERS despite the blatant nods and casting from the first film.
Chairman Kaga wrote:AtomicHyperbole wrote:HOW is the Ark worthless? It can decimate an entire army with Gods power! Jesus, that's DANGEROUS! It's worth shitloads more than a crappy cup that can only move and deliver immortality by a few meters and an old man who's sitting in a cave.
I take the position that it's worthless because only one person can wield it. Considering at the time there was no Israel and thus no High Priest, in the film's time period no one could wield it. It wasn't a lack of humility for God that did in the Nazi's, it was that none of them were the High Priest (let alone of the chosen people).Retardo_Montalban wrote:Historical and monetary value aside, The holy grail can cure the sick, heal mortal wounds and I don't think its power is only relegated to the cave it sits in or else it wouldn't really need a billion year old Knight to guard it.
The knight wasn't guarding it, he couldn't leave. He even says he has to drink from it daily to stay immortal.
The Vicar wrote:Fried Gold wrote:Remember...no hate, just debate...
I'm afraid those days are in the rear view mirror.......
papalazeru wrote:The Ginger Man wrote:Short Round moved back to the San Francisco/Bay Area with Indy. An orphan, he felt comfortable among the city's large Asian population. Finding Indy's normal life as a professor to be boring, Short Round began spending more time among people his age. Eventually, he met a girl and as all young boys do, he moved on with his life. However, he and Indy still communicate whenever Indy passes through Chinatown and reminisce about that time Dr. Jones totally had that dude's hand in his chest.
Where is the evidence supporting this?
You can't just take a child from the streets of China and 'move' them to America without going through legal paperwork loopholes.
Firstly, he would probably have to adopt Short Round which means that Short Round would have to register at an orphanage in China. I really odn't think Indy would both with his history of paperwork.
Peven wrote:if you weren't so busy spazzing you would see that i am a ToD fan. then again, with all your nonsense posts cluttering up this thread, among others, it CAN be difficult to sort it out......
papalazeru wrote:Hey , hey!
Let's put these petty squabbled behind us and agree on one thing,
When the going gets tough, the tough get Romancing the Stone and Jewel of the Nile box set.
captainbrose wrote:Its disappointing to see this thread has been to love one movie and bash the other movie. I Indiana Jones. I love both movies, they both have completely different stories, different charms, different music, etc. They are two stories in the serial adventures of Indiana.
When I say I prefer Crusade, it doesnt mean I hate Temple and want to spend my time bashing it. It means if you asked me to watch one of them, probably 6 out of 10 times I would choose Crusade. I dont have to hate one to like the other.
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