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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:39 am
by papalazeru
HOLY SHIT!

A film I'm sure we can all agree beats the pants off of all of this.

Goonies of the Caribbean

and just to keep you ToDlers happy and in the spirit of good will,

Short Rounds best moments in film

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:08 am
by Fried Gold
Retardo_Montalban wrote:
Chairman Kaga wrote:
Retardo_Montalban wrote:Historical and monetary value aside, The holy grail can cure the sick, heal mortal wounds and I don't think its power is only relegated to the cave it sits in or else it wouldn't really need a billion year old Knight to guard it.


The knight wasn't guarding it, he couldn't leave. He even says he has to drink from it daily to stay immortal.


Shit, that is laaame. What kind of idiot would waste his life sitting in a cave drinking water? That makes no sense. I haven't seen the movie in a few years, but I'm watch it again friday. Even with a huge plot hole like that, I still really dug the shit out of that film.

He and his two brothers, Sir Richard's knights from the First Crusade, had committed themselves to finding and protecting the Grail. He was the last who stayed, being kept alive using Grail Power.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:31 am
by AtomicHyperbole
Frieds av is missing a face...

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:31 am
by Chairman Kaga
AtomicHyperbole wrote:
Chairman Kaga wrote:
AtomicHyperbole wrote:HOW is the Ark worthless? It can decimate an entire army with Gods power! Jesus, that's DANGEROUS! It's worth shitloads more than a crappy cup that can only move and deliver immortality by a few meters and an old man who's sitting in a cave.

I take the position that it's worthless because only one person can wield it. Considering at the time there was no Israel and thus no High Priest, in the film's time period no one could wield it. It wasn't a lack of humility for God that did in the Nazi's, it was that none of them were the High Priest (let alone of the chosen people).

Retardo_Montalban wrote:Historical and monetary value aside, The holy grail can cure the sick, heal mortal wounds and I don't think its power is only relegated to the cave it sits in or else it wouldn't really need a billion year old Knight to guard it.


The knight wasn't guarding it, he couldn't leave. He even says he has to drink from it daily to stay immortal.


Wow, as Retardo says, that's a great way to undermine TLC. Thanks!

I can't see how you're arguing that the Ark isn't simply a far more dangerous, deadly threat to mankind than the Grail. I think you're arguing the toss, to be honest.


AH seriously do you have a reading comprehension issue? I never stated that the Ark was less (or more) dangerous than the Grail. These are replies to two separate posts.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:39 am
by AtomicHyperbole
I have trouble making sense of ill-thought out posts, that's for sure. Even so you undermined TLC wonderfully, I didn't quote his post but referred to it as there was no point repeating it. Follow the thread! Tut tut!

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:14 am
by papalazeru
AtomicHyperbole wrote:I have trouble making sense of ill-thought out posts, that's for sure. Even so you undermined TLC wonderfully, I didn't quote his post but referred to it as there was no point repeating it. Follow the thread! Tut tut!


You must have just escaped from the home for the catatonically stupid.

CK has been posting very valuable and coherent comments, as well as alot of those people on the ToD side.

I think it's you who is beginning to have trouble divining fantasy and ...well....fantasy.

Oh, and Short Round.... more like the 'Reach Around', for Indy, Willie was just a cover, yet her name seems to give the whoooole thing away.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:26 am
by AtomicHyperbole
Prepare to meet Kali... IN HELL.

I'll say this, Kaga is more coherent than Papa. I emailed his posts to the lab in the British Museum, they're having more trouble translating them than they did the Rosetta Stone.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:33 am
by papalazeru
AtomicHyperbole wrote:Prepare to meet Kali... IN HELL.

I'll say this, Kaga is more coherent than Papa. I emailed his posts to the lab in the British Museum, they're having more trouble translating them than they did the Rosetta Stone.


You dare diss Double Dragon III.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:35 am
by Fried Gold
AtomicHyperbole wrote:Prepare to meet Kali... IN HELL.

I'll say this, Kaga is more coherent than Papa. I emailed his posts to the lab in the British Museum, they're having more trouble translating them than they did the Rosetta Stone.

The Rosetta Stone was apparently relatively easy to translate...that was why it was so important.

I suggest you sit down and watch "Thomas Young and the Kingdom of the Multi-Language Tablet". While the visual effects are a bit of a letdown, it's story is quite good. Far better than Tomb Raider.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:00 pm
by CeeBeeUK
But did they work out what the Jewel of the Nile was?

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:04 pm
by Chairman Kaga
CeeBeeUK wrote:But did they work out what the Jewel of the Nile was?

One thing is for sure.... AH is the Jewel of Denile!

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:07 pm
by AtomicHyperbole
Better than the Jewel of Senile.

HA!

FACE!

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:24 pm
by Fried Gold
CeeBeeUK wrote:But did they work out what the Jewel of the Nile was?

It was the Rabbit's Foot.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:32 pm
by papalazeru
Fried Gold wrote:
CeeBeeUK wrote:But did they work out what the Jewel of the Nile was?

It was the Rabbit's Foot.


I thought it was the blue pill?

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:12 pm
by CeeBeeUK
Rosebud.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:17 pm
by RogueScribner
Well, this thread has pretty much outlived its usefulness.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:20 pm
by AtomicHyperbole
It was useful?

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:30 pm
by papalazeru
AtomicHyperbole wrote:It was useful?


Not now, thanks for turning back up. You completely ruined the credibility of this thread.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:36 pm
by RogueScribner
Well, there was a nice debate going for a while, but now it's all just schtick, so no point in anything more really.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:22 pm
by Fried Gold
RogueScribner wrote:Well, there was a nice debate going for a while, but now it's all just schtick, so no point in anything more really.

It's a one thread satire of the history of the Zone.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:24 pm
by Retardo_Montalban
RogueScribner wrote:Well, there was a nice debate going for a while, but now it's all just schtick, so no point in anything more really.


Hold on, I'm back, so we can get the debate going again. I pissed my pants when Indy jumped from that horse onto a mother fucking tank. Back in the day there was actually a guy who jumped from a horse onto a tank, no special effects, just pure awesome.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:52 pm
by AtomicHyperbole
I'll give you that. The entire Raiders scene where Blonde German and Indy tussle too. They just don't make them like they used to.

Which is really what worries me about Indy IV.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 3:36 pm
by Fried Gold
With these films I'd rather see a model Messerschmitt flying into a tunnel, or a Pat Roach fistifcuffs matchup, than CG car with digital doubles sailing down a CG waterfall (as clever as it is).

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:19 pm
by King Of Nowhere
So, who's up for a Romancing the Stone Vs The Jewel of the Nile thread?

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:25 pm
by papalazeru
King Of Nowhere wrote:So, who's up for a Romancing the Stone Vs The Jewel of the Nile thread?


Can't be a versus. They are both equally as good.


How about a Centurions vs Visionaries thread?

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:31 pm
by Bloo
ok, I haven't been on in a copule of days and this debate is raging for pages so I'm just going to say what I have to say and if someone else brought up these points bully for them

first of all I think it's interesting that the DTV/OLEG crew enjoys the more occlutic/violent stuff in TOD over the stuff in TLC

now on to my real points, study the opening of Raiders, Indy coming a cave/temple thing in South America, he has to face a series of tests that he uses using his own knowledge to overcome (the light, the steps, the blowdarts, the idol itself) followed by the chase through the cave/temple with the big ass stone chasing him. That lifted that scene almost verbatium in TLC last time I watched TLC I expected Doc Ock to show up and ask Indy to throw him the Grail. In TLC he has to face the wind, then the steps (which are almost identical to the walkway/steps thing in Raiders)

In TOD, you have the great opening sequence with the rolling gong that is a little reminsicent of Raiders but he actually uses it as a sheild, you have the liferaft tobaggan, you have the GREAT minecart scene, and finally the bridge scene, you also have the closing walls scene

in TLC you have the tank scene and River's scene. Those are the only two REALLY memorable scenes

in regards to Brody, you have Brody in ROTLA saying that if he was 5 YEARS younger he would be off for the ark himself and Indy doesn't deny him, roll his eyes or anything. That, to me, means that Indy has been in the field he knows the deal, he knows the score (Marcus that is), in TLC he really is a bumbling idiot who can't do shit

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:41 pm
by caruso_stalker217
I was watching RAIDERS last night and they really did fuck up Brody's character. In RAIDERS he is obviously an intelligent and well-spoken motherfucker. He's a completely different character in LAST CRUSADE. A bumbling motherfucker played for laughs. I'm not going to cry about how they screwed up this iconic and important character or some shit like that. I just think it's bad writing.

And I would like to say again how good River Phoenix was as Young Indy.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:28 pm
by AtomicHyperbole
papalazeru wrote:
King Of Nowhere wrote:So, who's up for a Romancing the Stone Vs The Jewel of the Nile thread?


Can't be a versus. They are both equally as good.


How about a Centurions vs Visionaries thread?


HA! Awesome. Visionaries so wins. Isn't that the Moriarty thread anyway?

Agreed with you on Stone/Jewel.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:31 pm
by Fried Gold
caruso_stalker217 wrote:some shit fuck shit shit shit motherfucker shit fuck shit shit fuck

I think you are mistaken about how much Brody is played for laughs in The Last Crusade.

A. He is shown in a different environment to that of Raiders, and he acts accordingly and not particular out of character, but one who is out of his depth now but is perhaps thinking back to his younger days (boys club handshake with Jones Snr etc)
B. He is often the source of much academic information of history and myth, very much showing his wealth of knowledge.
C. When he is part of a comic scene (of which there is only really one), it is very much in context. (ie. "Marcus will fit in, he's know dozens of languages"..."Excuse me, does anyone speak classical greek or aramaic?")
D. He works excellently as supporting character.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:37 pm
by papalazeru
Fried Gold wrote:
caruso_stalker217 wrote:some shit fuck shit shit shit motherfucker shit fuck shit shit fuck

I think you are mistaken about how much Brody is played for laughs in The Last Crusade.

A. He is shown in a different environment to that of Raiders, and he acts accordingly and not particular out of character, but one who is out of his depth now but is perhaps thinking back to his younger days (boys club handshake with Jones Snr etc)
B. He is often the source of much academic information of history and myth, very much showing his wealth of knowledge.
C. When he is part of a comic scene (of which there is only really one), it is very much in context. (ie. "Marcus will fit in, he's know dozens of languages"..."Excuse me, does anyone speak classical greek or aramaic?")
D. He works excellently as supporting character.



yes....YES....YES

Bring it home brother.

The proof is right there. I told you all.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:37 pm
by Lord Voldemoo
AtomicHyperbole wrote:
papalazeru wrote:

How about a Centurions vs Visionaries thread?


HA! Awesome. Visionaries so wins.


you're dead to me.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:39 pm
by papalazeru
Lord Voldemoo wrote:
AtomicHyperbole wrote:
papalazeru wrote:

How about a Centurions vs Visionaries thread?


HA! Awesome. Visionaries so wins.


you're dead to me.


You know it. Centurions has it for me too.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:39 pm
by Peven
i think Brody works alright in the context of TLC, but i think you have to admit that there IS a change of tone to his character from Raiders compared to TLC, though mayhap not as drastic as some propose....

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:41 pm
by Vegeta
papalazeru wrote:
King Of Nowhere wrote:So, who's up for a Romancing the Stone Vs The Jewel of the Nile thread?


Can't be a versus. They are both equally as good.


:shock:

Please :roll:

Romancing the Stone is soooooooooo much better than Jewel of the Nile!

"Look at them snappers"





:wink:

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:44 pm
by papalazeru
Peven wrote:i think Brody works alright in the context of TLC, but i think you have to admit that there IS a change of tone to his character from Raiders compared to TLC, though mayhap not as drastic as some propose....


Could be because he has a much bigger part in TLC. They developed his character further than they did in Raiders.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:48 pm
by Peven
papalazeru wrote:
Peven wrote:i think Brody works alright in the context of TLC, but i think you have to admit that there IS a change of tone to his character from Raiders compared to TLC, though mayhap not as drastic as some propose....


Could be because he has a much bigger part in TLC. They developed his character further than they did in Raiders.


and you are absolutely correct there. he has such a small role in Raiders that there certainly is room for more character exposition, but it just seems as if the direction they were going with the character in Raiders, albeit for only a few steps, was different than the direction they went with Brody in TLC

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:51 pm
by papalazeru
Peven wrote:
papalazeru wrote:
Peven wrote:i think Brody works alright in the context of TLC, but i think you have to admit that there IS a change of tone to his character from Raiders compared to TLC, though mayhap not as drastic as some propose....


Could be because he has a much bigger part in TLC. They developed his character further than they did in Raiders.


and you are absolutely correct there. he has such a small role in Raiders that there certainly is room for more character exposition, but it just seems as if the direction they were going with the character in Raiders, albeit for only a few steps, was different than the direction they went with Brody in TLC


He never really left the confines of his home.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:56 pm
by Peven
papalazeru wrote:
Peven wrote:
papalazeru wrote:
Peven wrote:i think Brody works alright in the context of TLC, but i think you have to admit that there IS a change of tone to his character from Raiders compared to TLC, though mayhap not as drastic as some propose....


Could be because he has a much bigger part in TLC. They developed his character further than they did in Raiders.


and you are absolutely correct there. he has such a small role in Raiders that there certainly is room for more character exposition, but it just seems as if the direction they were going with the character in Raiders, albeit for only a few steps, was different than the direction they went with Brody in TLC


He never really left the confines of his home.


when someone watches Raiders for the first time you have to admit that the impression they get from Brody is that of a more capable, serious man than the Brody depicted in TLC. i think that after you have watched both and digested it all it is natural to fill in gaps and try to connect the two depictions, and so you can look back at Raiders and see him in a different light. for some, that light ends up being less than flattering, though, and Brody ends up being less than we had imagined

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:00 pm
by papalazeru
Peven wrote:
papalazeru wrote:
Peven wrote:
papalazeru wrote:
Peven wrote:i think Brody works alright in the context of TLC, but i think you have to admit that there IS a change of tone to his character from Raiders compared to TLC, though mayhap not as drastic as some propose....


Could be because he has a much bigger part in TLC. They developed his character further than they did in Raiders.


and you are absolutely correct there. he has such a small role in Raiders that there certainly is room for more character exposition, but it just seems as if the direction they were going with the character in Raiders, albeit for only a few steps, was different than the direction they went with Brody in TLC


He never really left the confines of his home.


when someone watches Raiders for the first time you have to admit that the impression they get from Brody is that of a more capable, serious man than the Brody depicted in TLC. i think that after you have watched both and digested it all it is natural to fill in gaps and try to connect the two depictions, and so you can look back at Raiders and see him in a different light. for some, that light ends up being less than flattering, though, and Brody ends up being less than we had imagined


The thing with Brody is I know people like that, so smart that they have deficiencies in other areas. There are people like that - it's not that he's dumb, he's just spend his whole life around books and the museum that he missed out on different parts of education.

He is the proverbial fish out of water. It gets set up well in TLC as well, as soon as they are about to board the plane to Venice you can see him nervously asking Donovan if all the details are in place.

It works for me.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:09 pm
by Peven
like i said, it works for me in TLC too, but there is an adjustment made from the expectations of the character from Raiders, where you go, "aaahhhh, so he really ISN'T a capable field archeologist, he is just a knowledgeable bookworm with little real-world experience"

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:09 pm
by Lord Voldemoo
I guess i come down somewhat in the middle on this one (Brody). I agree with the "fish out of water" concept, and I think it's used for some decent gags in LC. With respect to his comment about going after the Ark himself in Raiders, I guess i always just chalked that up to exuberance/hyperbole which wouldn't be out of place from a man in his position. I think Peven's right, though, in that even if his comment about going after the Ark were just BS, Brody WAS a serious intellectual in Raiders. I didn't mind them poking fun at his expense in LC, but I wish they'd given him one or two serious moments as well and not used him purely for comic relief.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:18 pm
by papalazeru
Lord Voldemoo wrote:I guess i come down somewhat in the middle on this one (Brody). I agree with the "fish out of water" concept, and I think it's used for some decent gags in LC. With respect to his comment about going after the Ark himself in Raiders, I guess i always just chalked that up to exuberance/hyperbole which wouldn't be out of place from a man in his position. I think Peven's right, though, in that even if his comment about going after the Ark were just BS, Brody WAS a serious intellectual in Raiders. I didn't mind them poking fun at his expense in LC, but I wish they'd given him one or two serious moments as well and not used him purely for comic relief.


At the very beginning when Indy first talks to Marcus in his lecture class, I don't think he was comic relief, he was very much in the Raiders mould.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:21 pm
by Chairman Kaga
papalazeru wrote:
Lord Voldemoo wrote:I guess i come down somewhat in the middle on this one (Brody). I agree with the "fish out of water" concept, and I think it's used for some decent gags in LC. With respect to his comment about going after the Ark himself in Raiders, I guess i always just chalked that up to exuberance/hyperbole which wouldn't be out of place from a man in his position. I think Peven's right, though, in that even if his comment about going after the Ark were just BS, Brody WAS a serious intellectual in Raiders. I didn't mind them poking fun at his expense in LC, but I wish they'd given him one or two serious moments as well and not used him purely for comic relief.


At the very beginning when Indy first talks to Marcus in his lecture class, I don't think he was comic relief, he was very much in the Raiders mould.


Yeah when Indy gives him the Coronado Cross he seems even less out of it then in Raiders when Indy is trying to interest him in other pieces he obtained after losing the Idol to Beloch.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:57 pm
by Worst Part's Almost Over
I love reading this thread! How about we follow it up with a Gobot vs Transformers thread?? :twisted:

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:09 pm
by papalazeru
Worst Part's Almost Over wrote:I love reading this thread! How about we follow it up with a Gobot vs Transformers thread?? :twisted:


No contest. Everyone knows that Transformers were way cooler.

Proche, Lambourghini's (2 of them, Red and Yellow), F14 Jets, A gun, A truck....

Gobots....erm....generic cars and erm....a helicopter and I think one was Dusty bin.

Now for toys, Tranformers or Zoids.

Think about it because Zoids you have to build yourself...and they fucking moved.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:28 pm
by Matrowl
Temple of Doom definetly has some of the most ingenious action scenes in movie history. It's also the most sloppily put together of the trilogy. Near the beginning, for example, when Indy is firing from the back of the car that Short Round is driving, you can clearly see that the "broken glass" is actually plastic. In a clearly visible shot Indy pulls his gun back through the hole and the fake plastic window pulls back. I could cite other examples.

I can't speak for Crystal Skull yet, but of the original three I'd say TOD is the film Spielberg was least into. I think he's actually admitted such. It's still hands down better than 90% of the garbage that passes as action these days, of course.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:14 pm
by RogueScribner
Fried Gold wrote:
caruso_stalker217 wrote:some shit fuck shit shit shit motherfucker shit fuck shit shit fuck

I think you are mistaken about how much Brody is played for laughs in The Last Crusade.

A. He is shown in a different environment to that of Raiders, and he acts accordingly and not particular out of character, but one who is out of his depth now but is perhaps thinking back to his younger days (boys club handshake with Jones Snr etc)
B. He is often the source of much academic information of history and myth, very much showing his wealth of knowledge.
C. When he is part of a comic scene (of which there is only really one), it is very much in context. (ie. "Marcus will fit in, he's know dozens of languages"..."Excuse me, does anyone speak classical greek or aramaic?")
D. He works excellently as supporting character.


Marcus is obviously suffering from Alzheimers in TLC if he once got lost in his own museum. Please, can't you just admit that Marcus wss played for laughs in TLC while he wasn't in Raiders? Sallah, too.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:17 pm
by Lord Voldemoo
RogueScribner wrote:
Marcus is obviously suffering from Alzheimers in TLC if he once got lost in his own museum. Please, can't you just admit that Marcus wss played for laughs in TLC while he wasn't in Raiders? Sallah, too.


Lucas: what can i do to lighten....hey...old, confused people and people with accents are funny! GOLD!!!!!!!!

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:17 pm
by RogueScribner
Matrowl wrote:Temple of Doom definetly has some of the most ingenious action scenes in movie history. It's also the most sloppily put together of the trilogy. Near the beginning, for example, when Indy is firing from the back of the car that Short Round is driving, you can clearly see that the "broken glass" is actually plastic. In a clearly visible shot Indy pulls his gun back through the hole and the fake plastic window pulls back. I could cite other examples.

I can't speak for Crystal Skull yet, but of the original three I'd say TOD is the film Spielberg was least into. I think he's actually admitted such. It's still hands down better than 90% of the garbage that passes as action these days, of course.


For every "plastic glass" from ToD you can give me I can give you 2 "lousy blue screen shots" in TLC.

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:27 pm
by instant_karma
Lord Voldemoo wrote:
RogueScribner wrote:
Marcus is obviously suffering from Alzheimers in TLC if he once got lost in his own museum. Please, can't you just admit that Marcus wss played for laughs in TLC while he wasn't in Raiders? Sallah, too.


Lucas: what can i do to lighten....hey...old, confused people and people with accents are funny! GOLD!!!!!!!!


Well, it worked with Yoda...