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Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets

Postby Peven on Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:18 pm

first of all, sorry I didn't come up with some cutesy name for the thread that would confuse the search engine when anyone tried to find it later.......


now, to the movie, which I saw today in glorious, spectacular, eye-popping, mind-boggling 3D. see this in a quality theatre on the biggest screen possible in REAL 3D and it will blow your fucking mind. Besson may not write the best dialogue, though I think that may be a matter of translation, both in language and culture, but he more than makes up for it with his mastery of visual storytelling. the opening of the movie is a prime example of a masterclass filmmaker at his finest, imho. not a word of dialogue, just David Bowie singing Space Oddity while we see the progression of human migration into space, one culture at a time, joining together in space to form something new, until they are welcoming new species to the station, not just new cultures. I found it a beautiful and moving beginning to a cinematic experience that spans the gamut of emotions and tones, which I know will throw some people but I found it to be hyper-pop-operatic. the dialogue between the leads can come across as clunky, especially at the beginning, Besson throws us into this "relationship" in progress and we are expected to fill in what led up to now as we go, so there is some emotional weight that is lost to support the dialogue at the onset. Cara Delavigne is magnetic once things get going, though in the beginning she comes across as a little cold and impersonal. she has the passion yet a clear-headed strength that would get the better of any young man, and Dane DeHaan's Valerian is smitten from the first frame we see them together until the last, though she takes the course of the movie to get there. it is in that sense a classic old science fiction love story out of a Flash Gordon comic. look, I could write a fucking 4 page essay on this movie there is so much that went into it, so may ingredients that are overlayed and interconnected and sadly many American audiences will dismiss it as jumbled nonsense or cool-looking empty entertainment when it is in reality is every bit as existential and thoughtful as "serious" science fiction like 2001, Besson puts his heart into his movies, his vision of humanity, I appreciate that, and in this movie I find a grand vision, unfettered, of imagination and creativity envisioning the "what if" with the belief that within us we have the ability to grow as humanity beyond what we are now.

and if that doesn't work for you, then sure, it is a kaleidoscopic action thrill ride that is unlike anything you've ever seen before
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Re: Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets

Postby Al Shut on Sat Jul 22, 2017 4:29 am

I'm afraid I'll wait for puny home cinema, but it's already on my shopping list. The only question is do I start the new year with this or wait another two weeks 'till my birthday.
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Re: Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets

Postby Ribbons on Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:07 am

This is a total spectacle movie. I plan on seeing it IN THEATERS next week, and if you can, you should do the same.
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Re: Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets

Postby Fievel on Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:35 pm

Ribbons wrote:This is a total spectacle movie. I plan on seeing it IN THEATERS next week, and if you can, you should do the same.


I'm hoping to see it in Real3D this week on an IMAX screen. And when I say IMAX, I naturally mean the smaller commercial IMAX screen. I honestly don't remember the last old-school-definition IMAX screen I viewed. Sigh.
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Re: Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets

Postby Peven on Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:28 am

went to see tis again tonight in 2D, missed the 3D, but liked the flow and dialogue better this time through, it is growing on me and I can see it will be a movie I revisit over and over much like Fifth Element. btw, there is a BIG bod to Fifth Element when an exact quote from a line in it is used in this movie, to the same actor who Bruce Willis said it to in Fifth Element. it is two words. just a heads up. :D




edit: there is one real screw up that makes me scratch my head, wondering how it got past everyone to the final print. the last line in the movie, delivered by the title character, is not only kind of clunky, it is out of synch with the dub. :shock: :oops: :)
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Re: Valerian and the Planet of a Thousand Cities

Postby Fried Gold on Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:06 am

I saw Valerian last night. It's not a bad movie particular. But it's certainly not great.

By today's standards, it felt quite unoriginal.

The opening on a desert planet {1} with a VR market town was a nice idea, but the large black market leader {2} encountered needed to return and follow through.

The two leads have virtually no chemistry and the characters have very little arc to them. We're supposed to believe in their surly love/hate relationship {3}, but the actors were too dull to pull it off convincingly so we don't care.

The middle section is a really boring clunker of an act that drags on, but provides very litte of consequence. About 40 minutes could've been saved and you'd have reached the same result. Two new characters and another alien race are introduced but have no effect on the story whatsoever. As soon as the leads make their escape {4} that's all forgotten.

And Clive Owen is literally asleep for two thirds of the movie.

What might've been more interesting in the middle act is a bit of exploration of the space station political intrigue plot, perhaps splitting up Valerian and Laureline for two purposes and have them meet up for the third act - Laureline to uncover the plot, Valerian to encounter the black markets again - and learn something along the way.

What is quite good is the ending, which is quite exciting.
What is quite interesting is the main alien race driving the plot. Could've done with more of them.

So yeah, maybe see it on DVD if you've two and a half hours to kill.


* It's like Star Wars, innit.
{1}Tatooine
{2}Jabba the Hutt
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{4} Literally a garbage chute
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Re: Valerian and the Planet of a Thousand Cities

Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:51 am

Yeah I saw this last Friday as I was desperate for a hit when ITV4 put on Casino Royale bragging that it was the Daniel Craig one, so I got my wine, did my workouts, got food and got all cozy, only for it to end up being the FUCKING PETER SELLERS VERSION!

What can I say, I was lonely, I was loonely! So I went to see Valerian. Despite Peven liking it! :lol: :wink:

Yeah it were alright.

It's hard to get engaged into a story which has so many question marks hanging over it all the way through. Why are they going after the Macguffin? What is going on in this base? What is Clive Owen up to? I appreciate mystery in a story but there has to be a clear understandable objective as to why the heroes are doing this and that in order for me to dramatically get behind them and find something to engage in. It also kept bringing up more plot questions when the story does present itself more as some stuff doesn't make sense and just feels dumb and without a logical explanation.

I know the bit that Fried Gold is going on about regarding that 40 minutes of wasted time. It just involves a massive tangent away from the main plot which just frustratingly brings the story to a stop, while we watch Valerian go off on this rescue mission involving Rihanna involving a race of aliens that have nothing to do with the original subject matter of the main story, and I can't STAND shit that happens in a film that has nothing really to do with the primary plot.

The leads are ok. From the word go Valerian is some stud ladykiller that has shagged so many hot girls that "Ooohh poor yoooouuuu!" he has, wait for it... commitment problems that has to get over - the most fucking unsympathetic condescending emotional crisis a man can have, for me personally. So I can't really feel much for you mate.

The acting is alright, Dane DeHaan who sounds a bit like Keanu Reeves doesn't have enough of a likeable presence to make me care enough for him regardless of his ladies man issues or not, those blue eyes keep me at a bit of a distance rather than work for him. Cara Delevingne is all cool and competent but just a bit too icy with that to make her endearing to me either.

There's some dazzling visuals and imagery much of which are just background stuff, "Oh here's that city that we showed you in the trailers, here is this and here is that, there's those cute aliens and robots over there and here's one right here, now after that quick tour it's back to the story". But whether this world is directly part of the story or not it is pretty dazzling without a doubt and it delivers on the main reason why I wanted to see this film in that it gives you that full flourished rush of imagination of outer space worlds and it is beautiful to behold, and also with a clever bit of inter-dimensional interaction at the beginning too.

The alien race living on a seemingly planet of Heaven at the beginning is wonderful and I love not just how all of this looks but also that they are peaceful beings and in complete pain free harmony. It's always transcending when they are onscreen and they are the best bit of the story.

It's just that the story and the acting isn't that well executed, and I also think that a city that represents what like 5000 planets(?) would be a premise for a more wider and epic story that would encompass a bigger picture or consequence of these worlds. I kept having this feeling that the actual story was a bit too small considering it's backdrop.

But it's ok. Just ok. For those saying it will hit a Blade Runner style cult status though, can fuck off. Not gonna happen. Nothing about this film is that special or unique enough.

Kirk Rating...? It's about halfway between both Casino Royales. So yeah, ITV4, you still owe me compensation!
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Re: Valerian and the Planet of a Thousand Cities

Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:00 pm

Peven wrote:first of all, sorry I didn't come up with some cutesy name for the thread that would confuse the search engine when anyone tried to find it later.


Yeah but you got the title of the film wrong. Not a good start mate. :D
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Re: Valerian and the Planet of a Thousand Cities

Postby Ribbons on Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:05 pm

Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:
Peven wrote:first of all, sorry I didn't come up with some cutesy name for the thread that would confuse the search engine when anyone tried to find it later.


Yeah but you got the title of the film wrong. Not a good start mate. :D


A little bird told me that a mod changed the thread title to confuse the search engine... :twisted:
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Re: Valerian and the Planet of a Thousand Cities

Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:06 pm

Ribbons wrote:
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:
Peven wrote:first of all, sorry I didn't come up with some cutesy name for the thread that would confuse the search engine when anyone tried to find it later.


Yeah but you got the title of the film wrong. Not a good start mate. :D


A little bird told me that a mod changed the thread title to confuse the search engine... :twisted:


Yeah but the search engine is based on words solely, right? Not the actual order of them? Apart from 'city' to 'cities' (which wouldn't matter enough) I don't think there would be a difference.
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Re: Valerian and the Planet of a Thousand Cities

Postby Ribbons on Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:08 pm

I don't know, but I'm sure if you just type in "valerian" it will turn up in either case.
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Re: Valerian and the Planet of a Thousand Cities

Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:09 pm

Ribbons wrote:I don't know, but I'm sure if you just type in "valerian" it will turn up in either case.


Well I didn't change the title.
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Re: Valerian and the Planet of a Thousand Cities

Postby Peven on Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:00 pm

I said it wasn't clever.



it wasn't





so what is your point? :-P














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Re: Valerian and the Planet of a Thousand Cities

Postby TheBaxter on Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:01 pm

i thought the title was Valerian and the City of a Thousand Pants
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Re: Valerian and the Planet of a Thousand Cities

Postby Ribbons on Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:33 pm

Honestly I think "Planet of a Thousand Cities" makes more sense as a title than "City of a Thousand Planets". I blame Luc Besson's poor grasp of the English language.
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Re: Valerian and the Planet of a Thousand Cities

Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:43 am

Ribbons wrote:Honestly I think "Planet of a Thousand Cities" makes more sense as a title than "City of a Thousand Planets".


Duh how can it make more sense if it IS about a CITY of a Thousand PLANETS in the actual bloody story and film!? What you prefer ISN'T what this film is about! That's possibly the dumbest thing you ever said!
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Re: Valerian and the Planet of a Thousand Cities

Postby Peven on Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:46 am

yeah, I am with kirk on this one, come on ribbons, it is a city, a mega-giant one albeit, that consists of the beings and cultures from 1,000 planets. there aren't 1,000 cities. I blame your poor grasp of the English language for not understanding :-P
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Re: Valerian and the Planet of a Thousand Cities

Postby Al Shut on Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:44 am

1000 cities doesn't sound that much for a whole planet, does it?
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Re: Valerian and the Planet of a Thousand Cities

Postby Ribbons on Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:34 pm

Peven wrote:yeah, I am with kirk on this one, come on ribbons. I blame your poor grasp of the English language for not understanding :-P


Me, bad at English? I don't mean to brag, but I print my own t-shirts:

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Re: Valerian and the Planet of a Thousand Cities

Postby Peven on Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:00 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

good one, centurion
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Re: Valerian and the Planet of a Thousand Cities

Postby Ribbons on Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:29 am

Peven wrote:sadly many American audiences will dismiss it as jumbled nonsense or cool-looking empty entertainment when it is in reality is every bit as existential and thoughtful as "serious" science fiction like 2001, Besson puts his heart into his movies, his vision of humanity, I appreciate that, and in this movie I find a grand vision, unfettered, of imagination and creativity envisioning the "what if" with the belief that within us we have the ability to grow as humanity beyond what we are now.


I *kind of* agree with you on this one, Peven, while also thinking that it's mostly hollow popcorn entertainment. I didn't get to see Valerian in IMAX or 3D, and I wonder if that affected my enjoyment of the film overall, but I still found the visual spectacle of it to be enthralling. Everything about the film, from the dozens of fleshed-out alien species and environments to the showstopping twenty-minute set piece involving a virtual reality bazaar suggested a fully-realized universe that captured the imagination and almost defied belief. THAT said, I found the plot to be rote and pretty uninvolving, a conspiracy that was fairly predictable and the motives behind it not particularly interesting, and the will-they/won't-they dialogue between the two leads atrocious. So I wasn't exactly engaged by the story itself.

But there is something to be said about style AS substance, and Besson's vision of a planet (or city) where thousands of completely disparate species can exist side-by-side in harmony is inspiring, especially in today's political climate. The prologue set to Bowie's "Space Oddity" is indeed beautiful, and all of the aliens and neighborhoods of Alpha finding a way to get along no less so. I still don't think this is a cult classic the way that The Fifth Element was; it seems to be lacking a certain spark to elevate it above most middlebrow fare. But I get what Besson was going for, and I admire it all the same.
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Re: Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets

Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:14 pm

I agree with pretty much everything you say but THE FIFTH ELEMENT IS SHIT!
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Re: Valerian and the Planet of a Thousand Cities

Postby Peven on Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:36 pm

Ribbons wrote:
Peven wrote:sadly many American audiences will dismiss it as jumbled nonsense or cool-looking empty entertainment when it is in reality is every bit as existential and thoughtful as "serious" science fiction like 2001, Besson puts his heart into his movies, his vision of humanity, I appreciate that, and in this movie I find a grand vision, unfettered, of imagination and creativity envisioning the "what if" with the belief that within us we have the ability to grow as humanity beyond what we are now.


I *kind of* agree with you on this one, Peven, while also thinking that it's mostly hollow popcorn entertainment. I didn't get to see Valerian in IMAX or 3D, and I wonder if that affected my enjoyment of the film overall, but I still found the visual spectacle of it to be enthralling. Everything about the film, from the dozens of fleshed-out alien species and environments to the showstopping twenty-minute set piece involving a virtual reality bazaar suggested a fully-realized universe that captured the imagination and almost defied belief. THAT said, I found the plot to be rote and pretty uninvolving, a conspiracy that was fairly predictable and the motives behind it not particularly interesting, and the will-they/won't-they dialogue between the two leads atrocious. So I wasn't exactly engaged by the story itself.

But there is something to be said about style AS substance, and Besson's vision of a planet (or city) where thousands of completely disparate species can exist side-by-side in harmony is inspiring, especially in today's political climate. The prologue set to Bowie's "Space Oddity" is indeed beautiful, and all of the aliens and neighborhoods of Alpha finding a way to get along no less so. I still don't think this is a cult classic the way that The Fifth Element was; it seems to be lacking a certain spark to elevate it above most middlebrow fare. But I get what Besson was going for, and I admire it all the same.


I agree that it won't reach the same level of cult love as "Fifth Element", it doesn't have a narrative as clear and focused, doesn't have a lead couple as charismatic, and lacks the one underappreciated ingredient that helped make Fifth Element the gem it is......Ruuuuuuuby R O D!!!!! :wink: :lol:
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