Walter and the Tigers

[Fried Gold]

I'm not sure multi-region DVD players are very "legal" in the US Kirk, the big chain stores don't carry them... I ended up buying a multi-region player in Europe last year...

All players are technically multiregion players. You just need to get the remote code to unlock it. It isn't illegal, but it usually voids warranty (but at the price DVD players are now, warranty doesn't mean much anyway)

And I thought PAL was the superior standard - 720x576 PAL vs 640x480 NTSC (Is that right?) And don't most tellys accept both formats, and many if not all DVD players handle them.

[Cpt Kirks 2pay]

I'm not sure multi-region DVD players are very "legal" in the US Kirk, the big chain stores don't carry them... I ended up buying a multi-region player in Europe last year...

All players are technically multiregion players. You just need to get the remote code to unlock it. It isn't illegal, but it usually voids warranty (but at the price DVD players are now, warranty doesn't mean much anyway)

And I thought PAL was the superior standard - 720x576 PAL vs 640x480 NTSC (Is that right?) And don't most tellys accept both formats, and many if not all DVD players handle them.

That's what I told these guys. Jerks, if they wanna see my Tiger Shark documentary called WALTER and the TIGERS (can ship to anyone reading who wants one. Operators are standing by...) well then they should know that their player CAN already DO it! Film Festival Farks!!!!

[tapehead]

And I thought PAL was the superior standard - 720x576 PAL vs 640x480 NTSC (Is that right?) And don't most tellys accept both formats, and many if not all DVD players handle them.

Pal is considered the superior format, but so was Beta and that didn't stop vhs. It is however, not true to say that most players can handle both formats - even if the theory that the hardware is capable and just needs unlocking is true (which isn't the case with older units), I think you're overestimating the general public's urge to fuck about with their home entertainment system for the sake of a few English sitcoms DVDs.

[papalazeru]

I can encode it for you pal. I'll ring you later.

Isn't the fact that it's PAL the main problem to begin with?

Oh and I finally dug up the DVD from my mother's house the other day. Getting my mail six months late is actually pretty good for me, considering she does fostering and pretty much anything that looks like a package that comes through that letterbox disappears before it lands on the floor. I wouldn't be surprised if those kids have turned that house into a mini-drugs cartel.

Will watch it whenever I've got a spare half hour!

Not really Sep, if he's ingested the material at the same codec he wrote it with, it will be at a high quality and will be easy to convert into NTSC MPEG2.

And PAL is better because we're great

NTSC has a faster frame rate but lower quality picture.

[tapehead]

He would have shot it in DV Pal and encoded the same in Quicktime, so the 3:2 pulldown is a little tricky, but it's probably the best way if you can go back to his edit.

[papalazeru]

He would have shot it in DV Pal and encoded the same in Quicktime, so the 3:2 pulldown is a little tricky, but it's probably the best way if you can go back to his edit.

Yeah, if he can get it to me in DV25 then it'll be easy to do an NTSC encode.

I think converting his entire edit to NTSC might be a little much though.

[Fried Gold]

And I thought PAL was the superior standard - 720x576 PAL vs 640x480 NTSC (Is that right?) And don't most tellys accept both formats, and many if not all DVD players handle them.

Pal is considered the superior format, but so was Beta and that didn't stop vhs. It is however, not true to say that most players can handle both formats - even if the theory that the hardware is capable and just needs unlocking is true (which isn't the case with older units), I think you're overestimating the general public's urge to fuck about with their home entertainment system for the sake of a few English sitcoms DVDs.

I guess region hacking is more of a UK thing. It used to be that many region 1 sets were cheaper to import than buying the native version...and there's stuff which doesn't even get released here.

[tapehead]

He would have shot it in DV Pal and encoded the same in Quicktime, so the 3:2 pulldown is a little tricky, but it's probably the best way if you can go back to his edit.

Yeah, if he can get it to me in DV25 then it'll be easy to do an NTSC encode.

I think converting his entire edit to NTSC might be a little much though.

You're right - but he might be able to export a nice move for you to work on - or have one already.

[Cpt Kirks 2pay]

YOu talking about exporting from the timeline with the settings in Final Cut Pro set to NTSC? Not sure if the program will allow that when the DV source material was shot and entered in as PAL.

In Compressor, there are options for MPEG4 NTSC Source material or words similar (not gonna open it up now to look at). Then in the menu that comes up when you do select this, it asks for options like NTSC Source for CD, NTSC Source High or Slow Progressive, or select ALL. I thought this might be they key, but it says NTSC SOURCE, which my source isn't.

Any good?

Bloody 'eck so much grief. You farking Americans.










.......I HOPE YOU'RE FARKING HAPPY SAN FRANCISCO OCEAN FILM FESTIVAL!!!!!!!!

[papalazeru]

YOu talking about exporting from the timeline with the settings in Final Cut Pro set to NTSC? Not sure if the program will allow that when the DV source material was shot and entered in as PAL.

In Compressor, there are options for MPEG4 NTSC Source material or words similar (not gonna open it up now to look at). Then in the menu that comes up when you do select this, it asks for options like NTSC Source for CD, NTSC Source High or Slow Progressive, or select ALL. I thought this might be they key, but it says NTSC SOURCE, which my source isn't.

Any good?

Bloody 'eck so much grief. You farking Americans.










.......I HOPE YOU'RE FARKING HAPPY SAN FRANCISCO OCEAN FILM FESTIVAL!!!!!!!!

There is a quicker way. If all the asctual rushes are saved on an external hard disk...all you have to do is export a quicktime reference file, I can import that and make it NTSC.

[Pacino86845]

I think you're overestimating the general public's urge to fuck about with their home entertainment system for the sake of a few English sitcoms DVDs.

That's sort of what I was trying to say earlier... I bought my multi-region DVD player in Switzerland. More precisely, I walked in to a department store, they had 'em stacked and on sale (a Toshiba no less), and they came with a standard warranty! I haven't heard of any such situation in North America at least, where normally you'd have to get your player fucked about with, or order one from an online store that has pre-fucked-about with DVD players.

[Cpt Kirks 2pay]

Yeah but what you're forgetting is that these aren't normal people. They're PROFESSIONALS running a film FESTIVAL - for INTERNATIONAL people, from all over the world. they should do a better job than this - especially as I said before, all the other domesticated people with DVD players in America that I sent this to, could watch it on theirs!

The amount of other film festivals in America that accept international DVDs - they all accept PAL. I think that settles the case with these idots here. They need to get with the program. Or lose out on WALTER and his TIGERS (willing to ship to anyone else in the Zone reading this for free, with or without your multi format players which I am sure you all have as you're not dummies, mostly. Operators are standing by)

[Tyrone_Shoelaces]

So where are these operators standing by at? Are they outside having a smoke with the door open so they can hear the phone ring?

[Pacino86845]

IPAMPILASH!

EDIT: Damn, Kirk's post disappeared!!!

MOD SLAYER EDIT: Pacino if you continue to soddin wankin and gaffneying my posts for gaffneyshun by Elleeeeeeeeen's name I'll gaffney YOU just like I did to that gentleman GAFFNEY!!!!

Sincerely,
--Kirk

[Cpt Kirks 2pay]

Trying to put clips on Youtube.
I'm having trouble with THIS now!!

A while back I put the trailer up as a .mov. Dunno why or if anything changed as now it wants MPEG 2 or MPEG4. Thing is, I can go up to 10 gig.

So tell me, can you guys if you want, check this out and tell me how the quality and flow, sound etc. are working on it?

What is the best farking Quicktime clip to put up? As this is really pissing me off now, too much farking farting and testing to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snQSDbmzAwU

[BuckyO'harre]

The quality is fine,but the audio is out of synch.




BUCKY EDIT: You two are big sillies.

Rumpelstiltskin,
--The Great Gazoo.

[Cpt Kirks 2pay]

The quality is fine,but the audio is out of synch.

Farkit!!!

Anyone else?

[papalazeru]

Quality is top notch but you should consider encoding it to Flash first, it's quicker because it doesn't have to reencode it for you.

Plus, flash will always lower your standards on Youtube. Find out what the max sound and video standard they are using and then try to encode to that, that saves you time and hopefully less errors than they have.

[Cpt Kirks 2pay]

Is it in sync, Papa or anyone else, apart from Bucky?

[tapehead]

For youtube, I get the best results with h263 and h264 - these are mpeg 4 codecs - I also blow up the frame size for the 'hd' category and get good, pretty high res flash results like this clip I did for a music video mob recently from DV tape. Flash (.flv) is based on h263 but h264 works just as well.

Kirk, ideally I would suggest exporting either directly from your edit's timeline and converting to NTSC with a 3:2 pulldown (to reduce flickering) - you can export via compressor so the file will open up immediately in Compressor. Compressor is an excellent transcoder and if you use the DVD preset for 90 minutes ('best results' I think it's called) you can actually change the format frame rate and frame size there - you need to go into the configuration of the profile and click on the little cog icons for format and frame rate and adjust them to NTSC and 29.97 fps.
These resulting files will drop dtraight into DVD pro without an issue.

If you cant work out how to do that get a mov export (8 bit uncompressed or Apple Pro Res HQ, staying in PAL) of the timeline and give it to Papa.

[papalazeru]

For youtube, I get the best results with h263 and h264 - these are mpeg 4 codecs - I also blow up the frame size for the 'hd' category and get good, pretty high res flash results like this clip I did for a music video mob recently from DV tape. Flash (.flv) is based on h263 but h264 works just as well.

Kirk, ideally I would suggest exporting either directly from your edit's timeline and converting to NTSC with a 3:2 pulldown (to reduce flickering) - you can export via compressor so the file will open up immediately in Compressor. Compressor is an excellent transcoder and if you use the DVD preset for 90 minutes ('best results' I think it's called) you can actually change the format frame rate and frame size there - you need to go into the configuration of the profile and click on the little cog icons for format and frame rate and adjust them to NTSC and 29.97 fps.
These resulting files will drop dtraight into DVD pro without an issue.

If you cant work out how to do that get a mov export (8 bit uncompressed or Apple Pro Res HQ, staying in PAL) of the timeline and give it to Papa.

I'd listen to him Kirks. The quality of those vids are amazing.

And yes, your audio is falling out of sync, which is probably a problem with the transcoding that youtube do.

[Cpt Kirks 2pay]

Sigh, Nothing's easy is it? Oh well, one more time - Quint. Jaws.

I thought that filming Sharks was the HARD part.

[Cpt Kirks 2pay]

So where are these operators standing by at? Are they outside having a smoke with the door open so they can hear the phone ring?

If you PM me, an operator can take your call for shipment.

I have to say, as for Pacino and the like trying to tell me my job

MOD EDIT: Rest of post removed. Kirks if you continue to criticise me or anyone else trying to tell you the deal with such 'PROFESSIONAL' organisations whose name you now disclose here in a public forum, then you will not only get yourself into trouble with us and the 3rd party you refer to, as the title of your documentary is named here, but you will also give the Zone a black mark with such people, especially when it comes to all things related to other filmmakers coming here to promote their own work. I for one do not like your offensive remarks aimed my way when you clearly do not have enough knowledge to talk about this subject whereas I do have more experience of this.

If you carry on with this careless behaviour that you have displaying this week, you will be banned.

--Pacino

[papalazeru]

Sigh, Nothing's easy is it? Oh well, one more time - Quint. Jaws.

I thought that filming Sharks was the HARD part.

We're gonna need a bigger Codec.

[tapehead]

So where are these operators standing by at? Are they outside having a smoke with the door open so they can hear the phone ring?

I'm the operator, with my pocket calculator.

I'd listen to him Kirks. The quality of those vids are amazing.

Cheers papa - granted it was shot on film to begin with, but it looks pretty crisp and clean - I do lots of flash encoding for the interweb lately, H264 is an awesome codec.

[Cpt Kirks 2pay]

For youtube, I get the best results with h263 and h264 - these are mpeg 4 codecs - I also blow up the frame size for the 'hd' category and get good, pretty high res flash results like this clip I did for a music video mob recently from DV tape. Flash (.flv) is based on h263 but h264 works just as well.

Right, now... how do I go about doing that then? I already had a go with exporting Quicktime movie to MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 and the quality is already shit.
If best results are with Flash moreover... I bet that's a bitch to do even more?

(Makes a box and tapes a printout of the Youtube logo on it. Kicks box real hard.)

Good Youtube video by the way, real good.

[papalazeru]

For youtube, I get the best results with h263 and h264 - these are mpeg 4 codecs - I also blow up the frame size for the 'hd' category and get good, pretty high res flash results like this clip I did for a music video mob recently from DV tape. Flash (.flv) is based on h263 but h264 works just as well.

Right, now... how do I go about doing that then? I already had a go with exporting Quicktime movie to MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 and the quality is already shit.
If best results are with Flash moreover... I bet that's a bitch to do even more?

IT should be in the quicktime settings. Mpeg2 is a codec and so is Mpeg4. Codecs are like translation books for languages. For the computer to be able to read or write certain languages it has to use the codec.

The codec you want is H264, you should be able to see it in the options before you export.

[Cpt Kirks 2pay]

For youtube, I get the best results with h263 and h264 - these are mpeg 4 codecs - I also blow up the frame size for the 'hd' category and get good, pretty high res flash results like this clip I did for a music video mob recently from DV tape. Flash (.flv) is based on h263 but h264 works just as well.

Right, now... how do I go about doing that then? I already had a go with exporting Quicktime movie to MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 and the quality is already shit.
If best results are with Flash moreover... I bet that's a bitch to do even more?

IT should be in the quicktime settings. Mpeg2 is a codec and so is Mpeg4. Codecs are like translation books for languages. For the computer to be able to read or write certain languages it has to use the codec.

The codec you want is H264, you should be able to see it in the options before you export.

When exporting a Quicktime self contained movie, it doesn't give me any H264 option when I hit Export.

When I open the movie, go to File, select Export, I get...
I get Quicktime to MPEG-2, MPEG-4 and different other options, but nothing that says h263 or h264.

[papalazeru]

When exporting a Quicktime self contained movie, it doesn't give me any H264 option when I hit Export.

When I open the movie, go to File, select Export, I get...
I get Quicktime to MPEG-2, MPEG-4 and different other options, but nothing that says h263 or h264.

It will be in the other options...there's bound to be a 'custom' choice somewhere or something like that, mate.

[Cpt Kirks 2pay]

OK...

Open movie in Quicktime

Export Quickime movie o MPEG4

Options

File Format MP4 (NOT select MP4 ISMA)

Video Format H.264

Save

Movie now made as MPEG4.

OK, like the .MP4 and .mv2 before it, when played back as a Quicktime movie, even before it goes to Youtube, they're all shit quality.

This can't be right.

[papalazeru]

OK...

Open movie in Quicktime

Export Quickime movie o MPEG4

Options

File Format MP4 (NOT select MP4 ISMA)

Video Format H.264

Save

Movie now made as MPEG4.

OK, like the .MP4 and .mv2 before it, when played back as a Quicktime movie, even before it goes to Youtube, they're all shit quality.

This can't be right.

Do you have this on lappy? Cos I need to see this to fiddle with your settings. It's so difficult to explain without seeing your screen. I'm not a mac user but it shouldn't come out shit, your bitrate is probably really low.

H264 will encode to Mp4, I wouldn't worry about that.

[Cpt Kirks 2pay]

OK...

Open movie in Quicktime

Export Quickime movie o MPEG4

Options

File Format MP4 (NOT select MP4 ISMA)

Video Format H.264

Save

Movie now made as MPEG4.

OK, like the .MP4 and .mv2 before it, when played back as a Quicktime movie, even before it goes to Youtube, they're all shit quality.

This can't be right.

Do you have this on lappy? Cos I need to see this to fiddle with your settings. It's so difficult to explain without seeing your screen. I'm not a mac user but it shouldn't come out shit, your bitrate is probably really low.

H264 will encode to Mp4, I wouldn't worry about that.

Yeah it's on lappy, should fit on a memory stick. Why, what do you want from me?

(Honestly, all his just to upload to youcunttube?! Life really shouldn't be this hard, or stupid. Fucking Hell, I thought that 5 years editing (no wonder it took so long) this fucking movie would have been the end of it!)

[tapehead]

In Final Cut either - right click your sequence and go to export via compressor, where there is definitely a h264 set up you can use, or, export via quicktime conversion. If you you don't have a H264 option here, I can only suggest your Quicktime support must be very outdated.

H264 is mpeg type 10. H264 is an mpeg 4 format, but to locate it in Quicktime conversion, you have to select Quicktime mov format, and then h264 compression (as it's one of Quicktime's proprietary formats). Do not use the mp4 or mpeg4 set ups as they are intended for low res mobile phone and iPhone content. The only other thing you need to be sure to do is to push the sliders out the the highest quality setting on the left and no set data rate, and select good quality audio - most likely aac as it is economical in size.

OK...

Open movie in Quicktime

Export Quickime movie o MPEG4

Options

File Format MP4 (NOT select MP4 ISMA)

Video Format H.264

Save

Movie now made as MPEG4.

OK, like the .MP4 and .mv2 before it, when played back as a Quicktime movie, even before it goes to Youtube, they're all shit quality.

This can't be right.

It isn't, you need to select conversion to Quicktime .mov first, then h264, but not select .mp4 or .mpeg4 at any stage.

[Cpt Kirks 2pay]

In Final Cut either - right click your sequence and go to export via compressor, where there is definitely a h264 set up you can use, or, export via quicktime conversion. If you you don't have a H264 option here, I can only suggest your Quicktime support must be very outdated.

H264 is mpeg type 10. H264 is an mpeg 4 format, but to locate it in Quicktime conversion, you have to select Quicktime mov format, and then h264 compression (as it's one of Quicktime's proprietary formats). Do not use the mp4 or mpeg4 set ups as they are intended for low res mobile phone and iPhone content. The only other thing you need to be sure to do is to push the sliders out the the highest quality setting on the left and no set data rate, and select good quality audio - most likely aac as it is economical in size.

OK...

Open movie in Quicktime

Export Quickime movie o MPEG4

Options

File Format MP4 (NOT select MP4 ISMA)

Video Format H.264

Save

Movie now made as MPEG4.

OK, like the .MP4 and .mv2 before it, when played back as a Quicktime movie, even before it goes to Youtube, they're all shit quality.

This can't be right.

It isn't, you need to select conversion to Quicktime .mov first, then h264, but not select .mp4 or .mpeg4 at any stage.

Uh huh. If you mean, select .mov

go to Options

Select Compression Rate ---

--- well I already did this. I created What Walter Has Learned About TIGER SHARKS on Youblew'd by using a .mov h264 compression already.
This is the Youtube clip that is running out of sync, (a shot of Walter being interviewed is out of lip sync on Youtube).

So.... kkkkykkkk........ nnnnggyyyeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhh....................

That can't be right either?

When I finally escaped from Miss KissedbyherFist's cage after 6 weeks (wasn't really on a medical trial with Lugz, sorry) who reduced me to just a head and upper torso after she finally gave me what I needed, well my first thought when coming up to the sunshine was that my life was gonna be SO easy in comparison from now on.

But that tale was wrong, wasn't it?

[magicmonkey]

I heard youtube recompresses now, and their framerate is 15fps... so don't use it as a marker...

[Cpt Kirks 2pay]

So out of sync Youtubes is the best I'm gonna get?

[papalazeru]

Your best bet is to Flash encode it yourself.

You can try by getting the freeware demo of Riva Encoder.

Then you just have to find what is the best compression size for Youtube and away you go.

Check some forums out on the best settings for HQ youtube clips. You could then encode it yourself instead of letting Youtube do it for you.

[Fried Gold]

.MP4 is usually good format to upload with I find.

[Cpt Kirks 2pay]

So whilst I was checking out about on-line DVD distribution, I came across a clip about sharing this video online. Share advertising revenue and becoming partners, etc. he more hits you get, the more money you get.

Only, isn't this counter-productive if I wanna get this sold to TV distribution companies though? Why buy the film for TV if people are already watching it for free online? Stuff like that.

Here's teh clip about earnign money by puting your movies online...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4twRR1_p ... re=channel

Anyone got a comment or opinion or observation, knowledge or experience on this?

By the way, you lucky folk at the Zone can see this movie for free and I can distribute it to you, Shark operators with lovely sultry telephone manner and a nice bow on their head and nice red lipstick are standing by.