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Kelly Richard's Box

Postby Fawst on Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:41 pm

Couldn't find a thread for it.

Richard Kelly (Donnie D--oh fuck it, you know who he is) is making a movie based on either the Richard Matheson short story "Button, Button," or the Twilight Zone episode from the 80's that was based on the short story. I can't tell which.

The story is about a married couple, played by James Marsden and Cameron Diaz, who are given a box by a strange man who shows up at their door (Frank Langella, woohoo!). The Box has in it a button. And when the button is pushed, they will receive one million dollars. The catch is that someone they do not know will die. So of course it's a moral question: take the million and let one more person in the world die, or leave well enough alone and give it back?

There is a story at usatoday.com (locatedhere) that has the first official image of the movie, a shot of James, Cameron and The Box. Takes place in the 70s, if you're wondering why she's wearing that thing.

Looks like Richard is going commercial to save his career. Fair enough. So long as we get more Richard Kelly goodness in the future!
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Postby TheBaxter on Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:51 pm

i'd push the button.























































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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:53 pm

man, the Simpson's have so much pwnership of my mind that all I can think of when I see this title is "The Box, The Box!".

so very sad...
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Postby Fried Gold on Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:52 pm

Why does everything need to have a mystery box in these days?
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Postby The Vicar on Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:54 pm

I dunno.
It's a mystery...
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Postby Fried Gold on Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:57 pm

I guess it's just a simple way of drawing out tension and making your story seem more complex... when it's likely quite simple and a bit shallow.

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Postby Fawst on Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:06 pm

Maaan, this is such a deep question. People die every day, your life really isn't affected by it... what's one more? Very interesting question.
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Postby instant_karma on Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:38 pm

Button, Button is one of my favourite Twilight Zone episodes.

I don't know if the story can be stretched into something feature length without the risk of dwelling too much on the moral conundrum weakening the payoff at the end, which like many great Twilight Zone endings, is really just a punchline.

As good as this particular punchline is, I don't know if it's worth a 90-120 minutes to set it up.
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Postby tapehead on Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:44 pm

Reading the linked article it looks like the premise of the TZ ep s a jump-off point for a lot of other stuff story-wise - as you would expect.
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Postby papalazeru on Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:40 pm

Fuck Abrams... lock this fucking thread.
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Postby burlivesleftnut on Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:04 pm

I would push the button until there was no one left but me.
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Postby Theta on Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:08 pm

Fried Gold wrote:Why does everything need to have a mystery box in these days?


Look, academics need to get ridiculous ideas from somewhere, and you might as well give them something where they can say "A-ha! It's really a vaginal metaphor!"
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Postby Theta on Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:09 pm

instant_karma wrote:I don't know if the story can be stretched into something feature length without the risk of dwelling too much on the moral conundrum weakening the payoff at the end, which like many great Twilight Zone endings, is really just a punchline.


I haven't read the story but the punchline is pretty damn obvious. I REALLY hope they don't go there.
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Postby burlivesleftnut on Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:47 pm

Theta wrote:
Fried Gold wrote:Why does everything need to have a mystery box in these days?


Look, academics need to get ridiculous ideas from somewhere, and you might as well give them something where they can say "A-ha! It's really a vaginal metaphor!"


Or a phallic one... consider the word.
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Postby zillabeast on Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:58 pm

Pffft....enough people die all the time every day that it's possible every time you hit BACKSPACE on your keyboard someone dies. No biggie. Such is life.
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Postby tapehead on Mon May 12, 2008 9:13 pm

Despite Southland Tales being a sprawling loose assemblage of ideas (many of which Kelly already visited with his first film) more than it is a movie, I thought this was interesting news - Arcade Fire are doing their first ever film score on The Box.


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Postby Vegeta on Mon May 12, 2008 9:34 pm

I swear I thought this thread was a p0rn title...




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Postby Fried Gold on Mon May 19, 2008 7:48 am

I remember it was announced that Moby was producing the score for Southland Tales and it ended being used in ten minutes of the film (and all of that was just tracks from his Hotel album.)
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Postby tapehead on Mon May 19, 2008 7:55 am

You're right - I remember that piece of multimedia being described as a 'musical' at various times in pre-release, only to find that that meant that gulf-war veteran Justin Timberlake would lip sync to a Killers track while he dribbled beer...
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby Ribbons on Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:28 am

New (first?) poster

Not a whole lot going on there, but I just figured some people would be interested in some news about the film
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby Pacino86845 on Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:06 am

I Wiki'ed the episode of Twilight Zone on which this film is supposedly based... the original premise seems interesting enough, but I concur with talkbackers (!!!) in wondering how exactly this will fill out a feature.
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby Fried Gold on Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:37 pm

Pacino86845 wrote:I Wiki'ed the episode of Twilight Zone on which this film is supposedly based... the original premise seems interesting enough, but I concur with talkbackers (!!!) in wondering how exactly this will fill out a feature.

This is Richard Kelly remember.

He can fill it out with a few slow motion musical montage sequences.
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby instant_karma on Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:01 pm

Pacino86845 wrote:I Wiki'ed the episode of Twilight Zone on which this film is supposedly based... the original premise seems interesting enough, but I concur with talkbackers (!!!) in wondering how exactly this will fill out a feature.


Hey! Not all talkbackers are bad!



























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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby tapehead on Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:57 am

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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby burlivesleftnut on Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:26 am

That looks excellent! Well it did until the CGI shit towards the end. Love the period attire and hair.
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby John-Locke on Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:11 am

The Box Trailer in Standard Def and HD

I dunno why Hårry always links straight to the 720p trailer, my computer can't play them smoothly and I'm sure I'm not the only one
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby Ribbons on Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:59 pm

Yeah, it's hit-or-miss for me. I prefer just a link to the Quicktime page so I can choose the format that won't make my computer explode.
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby Fievel on Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:07 pm

John-Locke wrote:I dunno why Hårry always links straight to the 720p trailer, my computer can't play them smoothly and I'm sure I'm not the only one


I hate, hate, HATE how he does that!!
When he does that, the video opens in a regular browser window for me. I can't find any controls on it (I like to pause it and wait til the download is done).
When I can choose the resolution myself, it opens the video up in Quicktime itself. I can then open Quicktime up to Full-Screen.

Movie looks positively wicked. Appears to be a LOT more to the movie than I had thought.
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby tapehead on Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:34 am

Works fine for me, although I do have Quicktime Pro and a pretty sick Mac at work. Frank Langella looks creepy with part of his face missing, and, like Burl said, I dig the 70's stylings and Diaz's Farah Fawcett hair... but it starts going all Southland Tales at the end with some brief shots of pretty dumb-looking CGI, so my enthusiasm is suitably tempered.
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby papalazeru on Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:42 am

The tune remarkably similar to the tune in Saw.
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby Hermanator X on Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:46 am

papalazeru wrote:The tune remarkably similar to the tune in Saw.


I think the music from Dark City is in the trailer. Its mentioned in the interview with Beaks.
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby Fried Gold on Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:56 am

Hermanator X wrote:
papalazeru wrote:The tune remarkably similar to the tune in Saw.


I think the music from Dark City is in the trailer. Its mentioned in the interview with Beaks.

It was music from Saw.

I think the trailer was made to appeal to that audience, what with the "You have 24 hours" line too.
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby papalazeru on Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:21 am

Fried Gold wrote:
Hermanator X wrote:
papalazeru wrote:The tune remarkably similar to the tune in Saw.


I think the music from Dark City is in the trailer. Its mentioned in the interview with Beaks.

It was music from Saw.

I think the trailer was made to appeal to that audience, what with the "You have 24 hours" line too.


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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:26 am

Richard Kelly's getting a sex change?
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby tfactor on Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:06 pm

OK so recently we watched several Trailers for The Box. However I seem to recall a short film from my youth with an identical plot. The woman is approached by a man saying "press the button-get a million dollars but someone you don't know will die" however the outcome was simply that the woman pressed the button and it caused her husband to die. Then the creapy offerer asked the woman when she bitched "Honestly woman how well did you really know your husband?" and the Million came from his Insurance policy or some shit.

Now is this full length feature film simply retelling this same old story with a different ending and new twists or have I just literally given away the big spoiler / twist for this movie? Because from the trailers - the husband isn't around when the offer is made to the wife, from what I could tell and I was looking closely. Either way I don't think I would honestly pay to go see this movie in theatres but was just wondering if anyone knew the answer?

Anyway was just curious... thoughts? More so does anyone remember what TV series this was originally done for, I want to say Twilight Zone but I don't think that was it.

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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby Pacino86845 on Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:53 pm

Yep, Twilight Zone is it!
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Postby Ribbons on Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:56 pm

burlivesleftnut wrote:I would push the button until there was no one left but me.


IPAMPILASH. You could always just push this button:

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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby tfactor on Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:07 pm

Button Button... thats it! I just found it online. So any idea if this movie will end the same way? If so maybe I should put that above post in spoiler text

Edit: that was in the first season of Twilight Zone no less, so this was likely considered one of the better stories they had in their arsenal.
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby havocSchultz on Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:21 pm

tfactor wrote:Button Button... thats it! I just found it online. So any idea if this movie will end the same way? If so maybe I should put that above post in spoiler text

Edit: that was in the first season of Twilight Zone no less, so this was likely considered one of the better stories they had in their arsenal.



It makes sense if it was pulled from that old episode...

I mean - when Richard Kelly does something completely original - we're left with Southland Tales...
And I don't think that's the kinda horror movie he's going for this time around...
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby TheBaxter on Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:03 pm

they've made it clear the film is based on that twilight zone episode, which itself was based on a richard matheson(?) short story... and i think it was remade for one of the later twilight zones or something, because i also remember one with an ending where they press the button and they get their million dollars, then the guy comes and takes back the box, and they ask him what he's gonna do with it, and he says "give it to someone else.... someone you don't know" bwahahahahahaha....

as for this one, (and as a big donnie darko fan) i just don't see how the premise can sustain a film, so my interest is not very high. probably a dvd renter at best. but from what i hear, the ending is much different than any of those previous versions, and has something to do with nasa and aliens and possibly little men from mars testing humanity
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby Pacino86845 on Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:17 am

tapehead wrote:Works fine for me, although I do have Quicktime Pro and a pretty sick Mac at work. Frank Langella looks creepy with part of his face missing, and, like Burl said, I dig the 70's stylings and Diaz's Farah Fawcett hair... but it starts going all Southland Tales at the end with some brief shots of pretty dumb-looking CGI, so my enthusiasm is suitably tempered.


Well it's pretty obvious that Richard Kelly has discovered James Cameron's T2 special effects software package and has been playing around with it for each of his films...

I wouldn't consider myself a worshipper at the altar of Donnie Darko, and certainly the hype surrounding that movie had revved a lot of people up to rage against Southland Tales, which while not a very cohesive film did not deserve all of the ire it attracted.

The Box falls somewhere in the middle. It is in the end a tighter film than both Darko and Southland Tales, though thematically it's closer to the former. Still I felt that The Box was the sum of two not totally even parts, which is I suppose an after-effect of having created something as discombobulated as Southland Tales (note: I liked Southland Tales and I consider it one of the greatest movie disasters in recent years).

But The Box ain't Southland Tales. I don't think Richard Kelly will make himself any new friends with this movie, but he definitely won't disappoint those who choose to see it.

Like I said, the film is more taut than his other projects, more straightforward. Even the "metaphysical" jibber-jabber is clearer here than it's been in prior Kelly films.

*MILD SPOILERS TO FOLLOW*
And any concerns regarding the moral conundrum of the box being unreasonably stretched out can be extinguished, the whole box thing is dealt with rather quickly in the film, or felt so anyhow, and certainly this is the stronger part of the film. In the first half we have a human story with hints at something bigger, but basically you are enjoying the suspense of it and basking in the glow of '70s period images. Things get a little strange in the second half, but not in as confusing a way as in Donnie Darko... this may be one significant down-point for the film, because in the end everything plays out on the surface and you're left with a slight feeling of emptiness.

Besides that there are some glaring loopholes (inconsistencies, weird transitions, I dunno what to call them) that made me think that Kelly was sort of correcting himself during shooting, that some big changes were still being made to the script and story as they went along... it's not the same as having scenes removed, it's just that there are a couple of loose ends having to do with secondary characters or even the "logistics" of the events taking place.

In the end I had a pretty good time watching The Box... it's good mainstream entertainment and I think maybe fans of Richard Kelly will be happy that he's tried to keep things rather simple but at the same time still try to stimulate in the same way as he did with Donnie Darko.
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The Box

Postby Ironical on Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:40 am

Am I really the only asshole who saw this movie? I really need someone who's not a complete moron to discuss it with!
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Re: The Box

Postby magicmonkey on Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:42 am

Well, you really didn't search that hard... I'm gonna merge now.
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Re: The Box

Postby Ironical on Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:46 am

magicmonkey wrote:Well, you really didn't search that hard... I'm gonna merge now.


I"m blind to anything not on the first page Monkey - get off my nuts...

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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby Fried Gold on Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:34 pm

I saw the trailer for this earlier.

One thing that struck me was that the trailer makes it seem very much unlike a Richard Kelly film. I don't believe the actual film will be as coherent.
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby Ironical on Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:10 pm

I found this more confusing than Donnie Darko.. but maybe that's just cos I've forgotten how confusing Donnie D was when I first watched it.

Pacino you saw it right? Can you help me understand some stuff... *SPOILERS* (i don't get whether i'm supposed to black this stuff out since we're in discussion i'm hoping no)

Why if the "employer" was the one controllling people's minds did the woman run up to Diaz and tell her "they're letting him do it" and send her to the library?
What the hell was up with the babysitter?
What was the point of the entire library scene? I don't get whether Marsden picked the right door or why it mattered?

Pretty much if you took that entire library scene out I'd have liked the movie a lot more.
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Re: Kelly Richard's Box

Postby Pacino86845 on Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:25 pm

Ironical wrote:I found this more confusing than Donnie Darko.. but maybe that's just cos I've forgotten how confusing Donnie D was when I first watched it.

Pacino you saw it right? Can you help me understand some stuff... *SPOILERS* (i don't get whether i'm supposed to black this stuff out since we're in discussion i'm hoping no)

Why if the "employer" was the one controllling people's minds did the woman run up to Diaz and tell her "they're letting him do it" and send her to the library?
What the hell was up with the babysitter?
What was the point of the entire library scene? I don't get whether Marsden picked the right door or why it mattered?

Pretty much if you took that entire library scene out I'd have liked the movie a lot more.


*SPOILERS*

Regarding the strange lady and the babysitter, while the employer was sometimes controlling people's minds it wasn't 100%... remember people were getting nose-bleeds and were phasing in and out of mind-control. Like that teenager waitering at the party... he provoked James Marsden and then sort of snapped out of it. Basically the mind control wasn't perfect.

I'm not entirely sure what Kelly intended with the entire library sequence, probably we were supposed to extract deeper meaning from the event but I suspect a lot of things were cut out of or changed in this movie. Obviously James Marsden picked the correct water-portal thingie (people kept flashing him "peace" signs). It might've just been one element of the test, the meaning of which eludes us. The water door appeared to be a sort of teleportation device that also sent him through the "after life." Maybe seeing that helped him accept what he had to do to his wife in the end.
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