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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:14 pm
by Maui
Fried Gold wrote:This one - I like.


Yeah, I like that track too.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:15 pm
by doglips
I think they are both quality tunes. Berryman provides some sweet WOTW Jeff Wayne like bass on Violet Hill, maybe what they were going for with Eno? Vida la Vida just seems to be their sound distilled, I like all the group woo's and whoa's in the mix. Life in Technicolour ( the instrumental opening track ) is very upbeat and life affirming ( more of those woo's+whoa's in there! ) and Lost! is a simple guitar led ballader, not bad but nothing new, I'm eager to here the rest of the record - can't find a leak ANYWHERE...

I always have loved Coldplay and these tracks have made me listen to the three previous records quite a bit for a fix.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:18 pm
by Worst Part's Almost Over
Got to say, I prefered Coldplay when they actually remembered they have a guitarist in the band! :P Their debut album was excellent, ROBTTH was a masterpiece, X&Y I found dull and too close to U2 in sound (not a fan of U2 at all, I'm afraid) and what I've heard of the new album hasn't impressed me. I will get it, give it a fair listen, but I'm just not super psyched about this one, kids.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:19 pm
by doglips
Nice AV there Maui, BTW......

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:21 pm
by Maui
Worst Part's Almost Over wrote:Their debut album was excellent, ROBTTH was a masterpiece


Yup, still my favourite to this day.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:21 pm
by Maui
doglips wrote:Nice AV there Maui, BTW......


hee hee, thanks! ;) I like the kitten on her shoulder, a nice added touch!

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:23 pm
by Worst Part's Almost Over
Maui wrote:
doglips wrote:Nice AV there Maui, BTW......


hee hee, thanks! ;) I like the kitten on her shoulder, a nice added touch!


Just for me, would you change your custom rank to 'Bowie'? :D

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:24 pm
by Maui
Worst Part's Almost Over wrote:
Maui wrote:
doglips wrote:Nice AV there Maui, BTW......


hee hee, thanks! ;) I like the kitten on her shoulder, a nice added touch!


Just for me, would you change your custom rank to 'Bowie'? :D



Ch ch ch changes???

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:27 pm
by Worst Part's Almost Over
Maui wrote:
Worst Part's Almost Over wrote:
Maui wrote:
doglips wrote:Nice AV there Maui, BTW......


hee hee, thanks! ;) I like the kitten on her shoulder, a nice added touch!


Just for me, would you change your custom rank to 'Bowie'? :D



Ch ch ch changes???


I proper LOL'd, mate! You win a biscuit of your choice :D

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:06 pm
by doglips
Seems like my early version of Lost! was really early! Now it's turned into a lost U2 track......

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:10 pm
by Worst Part's Almost Over
doglips wrote:Seems like my early version of Lost! was really early! Now it's turned into a lost U2 track......


You see, this is my real problem with what Coldplay have become. Leaving aside for the moment that I can't stand U2, I just don't like the fact that Coldplay have altered their sound to something which more closely resembles Bono & Co. There was nothing wrong with the sound of their first 2 albums, so I can't understand why they've gone in this direction. Some would argue that this is the band evolving their sound - but I'd disagree. Evolving does not mean changing into an Irish dad rock band. It means creating something new. What Coldplay are now doing is nothing U2 haven't already covered (we're talking in terms of style, production and such here) and as a result I can't say I enjoy it.

Only my opinion though, folks.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:15 pm
by doglips
I'm skipping through the new album as we speak and it seems pretty varied. It's quite an odd record actually. They've learned a lot from X+Y, put it that way. Eno is all over this like a rash!

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:16 pm
by Worst Part's Almost Over
doglips wrote:I'm skipping through the new album as we speak and it seems pretty varied. It's quite an odd record actually.


As I said before, of course I'll give it a fair listen. You can't properly judge something until you've had experience of it. So when I can get my hands on a copy I'll go through it and report back, sir.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:27 pm
by Fried Gold
doglips wrote:Seems like my early version of Lost! was really early! Now it's turned into a lost U2 track......

Yep me too. I prefer the piano-only version. Simple but effective.

doglips wrote:I always have loved Coldplay and these tracks have made me listen to the three previous records quite a bit for a fix.

Yeah I was trying to set up a sorta best of playlist for my Ipod earlier, but just ended up listening to pretty much everything I had. Until I'd downloaded a highly legal copy of the new LP.


doglips wrote:I'm skipping through the new album as we speak and it seems pretty varied. It's quite an odd record actually. They've learned a lot from X+Y, put it that way. Eno is all over this like a rash!

There are some really good songs on there, some beautiful parts...but I'm still not sure if it's been made too complicated. I think there's a lot getting lost in the mix.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:31 pm
by doglips
I think it's gonna seem complex for a few listens but it's soaked in melodies. It'll be fairly awesome live, I imagine.....

Lovers In Japan/Reign of Love is excellent. Death and All his Friends too. A lot of mid track turn on the heads.

I'm liking the handclaps ( You heard that right, Ribbons! ) on Lost!

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:37 pm
by Fried Gold
I like the way a lot of the songs appear to segue into each other, and then some of the elements get recalled later on briefly at the end.

Coldplay Now W/ Viva La Vida or do you love it or hate it?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:47 pm
by bastard_robo
Image

because you like Coldplay...

PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:09 am
by doglips
So a few listens in - two ( good, especially the reprise of Life in Technicolour ) secret tracks, prog rock leanings and influences, skyscraping guitars ( Edge comparisons ahoy! Inevitable, but Buckland is definitely forming his own sound ) a smattering of Far Eastern keyboard effects ( I read somewhere they must have been watching Lost In Translation while laying some of these tracks down - about right....) all adds up to a great Coldplay record.

It doesn't quite nail everything it attempts but as an excursion from X+Y staleness they are poised to produce a classic pop-rock record next time round. 7/10 for the album ( might go up...) 9/10 for effort!

PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:33 pm
by Simon Quinlank
I've never quite seen the U2 comparison has valid.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:30 pm
by Maui
doglips wrote:So a few listens in - two ( good, especially the reprise of Life in Technicolour ) secret tracks, prog rock leanings and influences, skyscraping guitars ( Edge comparisons ahoy! Inevitable, but Buckland is definitely forming his own sound ) a smattering of Far Eastern keyboard effects ( I read somewhere they must have been watching Lost In Translation while laying some of these tracks down - about right....) all adds up to a great Coldplay record.

It doesn't quite nail everything it attempts but as an excursion from X+Y staleness they are poised to produce a classic pop-rock record next time round. 7/10 for the album ( might go up...) 9/10 for effort!


Ah, nice little summary of the album DL!

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:55 pm
by tapehead
Chris Martin - Plagiarist?

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:41 am
by Pacino86845
Wow, until the subtitles started explaining things more I'd really thought the original was from the 70s-80s, those guys have a decent style! Chris Martin sucks.

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:48 am
by Bob Samonkey
Pacino86845 wrote:Wow, until the subtitles started explaining things more I'd really thought the original was from the 70s-80s, those guys have a decent style! Chris Martin sucks.


Mayhaps it was the Stash? The Stash frightened me...

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:27 am
by Fried Gold
tapehead wrote:Chris Martin - Plagiarist?

Honestly, unless it was pointed out to me in this way I doubt I'd suddenly think "That's like Viva la Vida!!!" if I heard it.

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:43 am
by Pacino86845
Well those accusations seem to have been debunked... international conspiracy notwithstanding, it's likely that the similarities are just a coincidence.

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:54 pm
by tapehead
Chris Martin confesses to plagiarism!


"We're definitely good, but I don't think you can say we're that original, I regard us as being incredibly good plagiarists."
alright, so he did make this quote when that wretched X+Y came out... But Chris Martin Must Pay!

You should try listening to that elbow song “Grace Under Pressure” and then "Fix You" - rip off!

Pacino86845 wrote:it's likely that the similarities are just a coincidence.


Why are you apologising for Chris Martin? this rumour won't go away - because it's true!

elderly dutch musician accuses coldplay of plagiarism regards the track 'Clocks'

And I haven't even mentioned Kraftwerk yet...

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:18 pm
by Fried Gold
Apparently the whole of the "A Rush of Blood to the Head" LP was a direct rip-off of the 1985 Dire Straits album "Brothers in Arms".

Coincidentally, Pitchfork Media gave both 0.07/100.

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:23 pm
by tapehead
Pitchfork wrote:But Viva isn't a complete overhaul á la Achtung Baby or Kid A; just as they dull the sharp corners of their legendary influences musically, Coldplay offer a diluted version of the "experimental" mid-career maneuver with their fourth LP. It's a case of well-honed troubleshooting that should keep the faithful conscious enough to appreciate its subtle improvements.

Ever self-deprecating, Martin offered his band's thesis to MTV a couple weeks ago: "We look at what other people are doing and try and steal all the good bits," he said. "We steal from so many different places that hopefully it becomes untraceable." That last bit is probably wishful thinking. For their "new direction" album, Coldplay hired the egghead responsible for more new direction albums than any other producer over the past 35 years, Brian Eno. The move isn't original, but it's smart. A self-described "sculptor" with a tendency to chip away rather than augment, Eno helps Coldplay reverse their bloat in favor of a slimmer sound; the anthems remain but they're no longer bogged down by incessant refrains and overdubs.

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:00 pm
by LeFlambeur
You know, this sounds more like Viva La Vida than that Creaky Boards song.

Coldplays' melodies really aren't very complex and so its only a matter of time before there are similarities. If you believe the YouTube, they've stolen from everyone from Kraftwerk, Alizeé, Billy Joel, Andrew Lloyd Webber, and of course Radiohead. You could spend all day dissecting these things but really, what's the point?

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:13 pm
by so sorry
LeFlambeur wrote:You know, this sounds more like Viva La Vida than that Creaky Boards song.

Coldplays' melodies really aren't very complex and so its only a matter of time before there are similarities. If you believe the YouTube, they've stolen from everyone from Kraftwerk, Alizeé, Billy Joel, Andrew Lloyd Webber, and of course Radiohead. You could spend all day dissecting these things but really, what's the point?


Well, he got you to post his youtube link on a message board, so I guess his point was made!!

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:28 pm
by Bob Samonkey
I still blame creaky boards Andrew's mustache for this whole thread...

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:30 pm
by LeFlambeur
true, it is mostly just a way to get attention, but the whole rip off thing is a bit dubious.

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:05 pm
by tapehead
LeFlambeur wrote:You know, this sounds more like Viva La Vida than that Creaky Boards song.

Coldplays' melodies really aren't very complex and so its only a matter of time before there are similarities. If you believe the YouTube, they've stolen from everyone from Kraftwerk, Alizeé, Billy Joel, Andrew Lloyd Webber, and of course Radiohead. You could spend all day dissecting these things but really, what's the point?


You're right; they totally ripped off Joe Satriani too.

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:31 pm
by Brocktune
LeFlambeur wrote:Coldplays' melodies really aren't very complex and so its only a matter of time before there are similarities. If you believe the YouTube, they've stolen from everyone from Kraftwerk, Alizeé, Billy Joel, Andrew Lloyd Webber, and of course Radiohead. You could spend all day dissecting these things but really, what's the point?


thats the difference between an influence, and a fuckin rip off

Talk
Computer Love
Computer Love (remix)

i rest my case
coldplay fuckin sucks.

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:46 pm
by Bob Samonkey
Brocktune wrote:
LeFlambeur wrote:Coldplays' melodies really aren't very complex and so its only a matter of time before there are similarities. If you believe the YouTube, they've stolen from everyone from Kraftwerk, Alizeé, Billy Joel, Andrew Lloyd Webber, and of course Radiohead. You could spend all day dissecting these things but really, what's the point?


thats the difference between an influence, and a fuckin rip off

Talk
Computer Love
Computer Love (remix)

i rest my case
coldplay fuckin sucks.


I thought Kraftwerk said it was ok to use it?

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:10 pm
by Fried Gold
Bob Poopflingius Maximus wrote:
Brocktune wrote:
LeFlambeur wrote:Coldplays' melodies really aren't very complex and so its only a matter of time before there are similarities. If you believe the YouTube, they've stolen from everyone from Kraftwerk, Alizeé, Billy Joel, Andrew Lloyd Webber, and of course Radiohead. You could spend all day dissecting these things but really, what's the point?


thats the difference between an influence, and a fuckin rip off

Talk
Computer Love
Computer Love (remix)

i rest my case
coldplay fuckin sucks.


I thought Kraftwerk said it was ok to use it?

Yeah that was an intentional, and authorised, sampling.

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:11 pm
by tapehead
Not actually a 'sample', but they did have to give Kraftwerk a songwriting credit, at least in the press before the album's release
Coldplay and Radiohead - a comparison

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:23 pm
by Fried Gold

Martin seems to be confused himself about plagurism (or was trying to be funny) as I think "2+2=5" was released after “God Put a Smile on Your Face”.

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:08 am
by Heyoucantlaughatthat
Of all of the crap the local top 40 station plays, Viva la Vida is the only song I can stand. I like it. And all of Coldplay's videos give me chills too. God put a Smile on your face in particular was a cool vid.

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:18 am
by Wolfpack
They stopped playing "Love Song" and "Stop and Stare" long enough to play "Viva la Vida?" :shock: Strangeness!

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:10 pm
by Ribbons
tapehead wrote:Not actually a 'sample', but they did have to give Kraftwerk a songwriting credit, at least in the press before the album's release
Coldplay and Radiohead - a comparison


It's sort of interesting that Martin joked about being really good at stealing little snippets of music from all over the place, because I was listening to Viva la Vida finally earlier today and I could've sworn I heard some My Bloody Valentine and even some The Frames in there (timeline might match up since Once came out last spring). Does anybody else know what I mean? Anyway, I thought it was actually pretty good overall, much better than X & Y.

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:03 am
by tapehead
Apparently Satriani is suing them now.

it's a few months old, but I just stumbled across it. More on Reuters

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:59 am
by theunforgettablefire
Eh...the similarities are there, I suppose, but I think the odds that Coldplay listen to Jo Satriani are pretty low. I guarantee it's just an unfortunate coincidence that Joe'll use to his advantage, since he has nothing else going on in his life at the moment.

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:57 am
by Fievel
But dude... Satriani can shred!!!
(insert air guitar maneuver complete with flicking of tongue)

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:16 pm
by Maui
Fievel wrote:But dude... Satriani can shred!!!
(insert air guitar maneuver complete with flicking of tongue)


Yes he certainly can. I remember hearing this on the radio a few months back, re. Satriani suing Coldplay. Similarities are there.

Speaking of ripoffs, I still can't believe Warren Zevon isn't suing the pants off of Kid Rock for "All Summer Long". The comparisons (melodies) between "Werewolves of London" are just too freakin' obvious. Shameful.

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:32 pm
by Peven
Maui wrote:Speaking of ripoffs, I still can't believe Warren Zevon isn't suing the pants off of Kid Rock for "All Summer Long". The comparisons (melodies) between "Werewolves of London" are just too freakin' obvious. Shameful.


it is hard to sue people when you are dead....

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:36 pm
by Maui
RIP WARREN ZEVON

*goes back into cave*

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:16 pm
by Fried Gold
theunforgettablefire wrote:Eh...the similarities are there, I suppose, but I think the odds that Coldplay listen to Jo Satriani are pretty low. I guarantee it's just an unfortunate coincidence that Joe'll use to his advantage, since he has nothing else going on in his life at the moment.

I seem to think it was found out that two even earlier songs sounded like it too and Joe Satriani went all quiet.

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:21 pm
by tapehead
Maybe, it's also nice that Coldplay's label have been so helpful.EMI have been busy removing versions of the Youtube video comparisons for, yes, copyright infringement. Although this WIRED article is four months old, it describes the case as 'ongoing'.

At this point for me the vagaries of copyright laws are more interesting than Coldplay's last album.

Re: Coldplay (Now w/ Viva la Vida or Do You Love It or Hate It?)

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:17 pm
by havocSchultz
Maui wrote:RIP WARREN ZEVON

*goes back into cave*


When you get back out of the cave, maybe you can answer me this:
Why don't Patsy Cline put out any new records...?







(random U-Turn reference)